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donald trump is reportedly considering testifying before the january six committee. with conditions of course. could this actually happen? and frankly, shot? it will ask congressman peter welch. plus, you think a billion dollar verdict would keep anyone from ever spreading lies again. but not alex jones. he says that he is not going to stop. what this means for their efforts to shut down americas lie machine. and to stop the spread of disinformation. and later, how heat is going mainstream in the gop. jonathan greenblatt of the anti-defamation league us here told talk about the rise of antisemitism, and racism, leading up to the midterms. all of that and more is coming up! and a good sunday morning to you. i am katie fang. we're gonna begin this morning show with breaking news out of california. and the possible big break in an investigation that has been

going on for months. stockton police arrested a suspected serial killer connected to the deaths of six people. authorities believe that he was caught on his way to kill -- . nbc's laura barrett has more. >> a new development from stockton police. after months of unanswered questions. >> they found tips coming to the departments stopped in crime stoppers. where we were able to zero in on a possible suspect. our surveillance team followed this person while he was driving. we watched his patterns. and determined early this morning that he was on a mission to kill. he was out hunting. arrested was wesley. 43. for a homicide. >> stopped in chief of police, stanley mcfadden, says he sure that his officers prevented another killing. and that the suspect was carrying a firearm when taken into custody. up until now, stopped in police had been investigating a string

of shootings suspected to be conducted by a possible serial killer. federal officials join the search when several shootings, six of them deadly, appear to be connected. spanning from april of 2021, to september of this year. after reviewing video surveillance. investigators hunted for the suspect. stalled for weeks. the only lead was this image, capturing the back of someone authorities had identified as a person of interest. police said that the killer stopped victims as they walked alone after dark. in poorly lit areas. for the victims were homeless. officials, concerned that they were targeted. families of the victims aching for justice. now, with at least one answer. but their loved ones were forever taken from them. >> police say at this point that they do not know the motive. that the suspect in custody has a criminal history, and that the investigation is still ongoing. the suspect will be in court for his arraignment on tuesday afternoon. >> laura barrett, thank you so much. now we're switching to the midterms. just 23 days away, after

spending much of the campaign on the sidelines, president biden hit the road for the democratic candidates. starving in oregon yesterday, he made a point to emphasize the recent democratic wins for the american people. >> inflation reduction act gives medicare the power to negotiate lower predict script and drug costs. for the first time. pretty sure the american people one. for the first time. big pharma lost! big pharma lost. >> we've also learned that former president, barack obama, is getting ready to hit the road for democratic candidates later this month. white house correspondent, michael monica alba has more. >> good evening, the final sprint to a man election day is on. in these consequential midterms. fans were across the country as top surrogates of president biden hit the trail this weekend. the president touted legislative accomplishments in

traditionally blue oregon. throwing his support behind the democratic republican for governor there in a suspected contest. a possible sign of gop momentum headed into the races. which tend to benefit the party out of power. something former president barack obama learned all too well in 2010. he is said to stop for candidate up and down the ballot for georgia, michigan, and wisconsin in the coming weeks. where control of the senate can be decided along with other key states. that republicans of course, aiming to make november's elections a referendum on the presidents first two years in office. especially seizing on high inflation. and they'll be doing that in places like, georgia, where incumbent democratic senator raphael warnock was up against former football star, herschel walker. pennsylvania, where lieutenant governor -- and in a van or, were in commit democratic senator incoming cortez. is facing adam, which is leading the charge to overturn

the 2022 -- republicans have already pledged to launch investigations into everything from the president's decision to withdraw from afghanistan, to his son hunter's business dealings. this month they will focus on abortion rights in the speech here in washington. on tuesday. hoping it will galvanize voters. and then people head to pittsburgh and philadelphia on thursday. to help boost democratic candidates there. katie? >> monica alba in washington. thank you so much. so, if the dems are calling in for president obama in their big day days before the election. what does that say about where president biden stands right now? and in the immediate future? a little bit later on the put that question to my panel of political experts. now we're going to ukraine in the latest blow to vladimir putin's war. russia says that two gunmen opened fire at a military base. killing 11 volunteer soldiers and injuring 15. this, as dissent within the country grows. and ukrainian president,

volodymyr zelenskyy, says nearly 65,000 russians have died fighting in ukraine. and nbc news has independently confirmed that number. for more, we turn to nbc news correspondent cal perry live in kyiv. cal, good morning. tell us what's going on? >> hey katie good morning. so with all of that, follows what was a heavy week of rocket barrages across the country. more than a dozen cities coming under fire throughout the week, including here in the capital of kyiv. where we saw a number of different waves of rocket fire. we've had sirens going off here pretty consistently throughout the day. there is i think a balance being struck by people here, where they're concerned about any kind of reaction by vladimir putin. when it comes to continued battlefield games. that is in the, east and in the south. where ukrainian troops are continuing to fight russian soldiers really in places forcing them to retreat and gaining major pieces of cloud, again, in the southern part of the country. there are win these major games

and what we see is latimer putin lashing back and flying rockets in the residential areas and he's been targeting the infrastructure, so last night keyboards for the first time in months pitch black and totally dark. people here are told to conserve energy, turn their lights off. or as one government official said. they will have to break out the candles. so this is certainly a city a, country that is continuing to deal with the russian army. which in many ways is incompetent on the battlefield but it doesn't make a difference to how deadly that they can be because again these rockets continue to fall across ukrainian cities. katie. >> cal perry please stay safe and we appreciate you reporting for us. so now to iran where four prisoners were killed and 61 injured after a huge fire broke out at the notorious evan prison in tehran. according to state media of the city's governor says the fire has been contained and was started by prisoners. here you see video of a huge plume of dark smoke coming from the prism that holds hundreds

of dissented and political prisoners. including u.s. citizens. from nearly a month, iranians had been protesting across the country after a 22 year old woman died in police custody after she was elected for allegedly violating iran's strictest rules. thick with us at msnbc for the very latest on this developing story. and coming up! will he or won't he? that means trump, will he testify with the january six committee who reportedly are open to him do air live? is that a good idea? well as congressman peter welch. and just when you thought alex jones couldn't sing any lower, think again, he now says that he won't stop questioning school shootings despite a one billion dollar punishment. what that means for the efforts to stop the spread of disinformation in our country. coming up next. y. coming up next ir. sometimes i'm a homebody. can never have too many pillows. sometimes i'm all business. wooo! i'm a momma 24/7.

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does donald trump have the guts to testify under oath? that is the big question as the

january six committee gets ready to officially subpoena him over his role in the insurrection. the new york times maggie haberman is saying trump is entertaining the idea. but with one condition. >> that is actually one of the things that this animated him. he's been talking to his advisors about how he would consider testifying if they would air it live. at least one of his lawyers were sounding people out about the idea today. of him testifying and agreeing to it as long as the committee would do it live. so i don't think that they are all shutting him down. >> and members of the 16 panel are reportedly open to the idea of trump testifying live. according to the times, they believe they can illicit some significant developments from mr. trump regardless of the format but trump has a well-established history of saying that he's going to do something and then backing out. he's also fought several attempts to getting to actually testify under oath. in 2018 he submitted written answers on the russian affairs

investigation ten months after they claim he was looking forward to sitting down with robert mueller for an interview. he refused to testify in his second impeachment trial about the role in the insurrection and. he just lost a bid to delay being deposed in a year -- she's accused him of rape which he's denied. joining me now is congressman peter welch of vermont. he's also the chief deputy whip of the house democratic caucus, and sits on the house insight and committee. thank you so much for joining us this morning. if trump is serious about testifying live, in your opinion, should the 16 committee moved forward with that or do you think that they run the risk of this becoming some huge political media circus? >> well. it would be a huge media circus. but they definitely should let him testify. they want him to testify. he is at the center of this whole january 6th insurrection. so if he is willing to testify and do you correctly stated that they see this, and it

definitely isn't. but i would say yes. let the former president testify. >> let's talk about the value of that testify and testimony. number, what dubious credibility issues attached to president trump. and number two, he does look at the fact that there is an ongoing doj criminal investigation into the events that occurred on 16. is there really a value ultimately to the information that donald trump would provide to the 16 committee? >> i wouldn't put any credibility into anything donald trump said. even under oath. and that's probably reason why he won't testify is that he fears the potential legal fallout, if there is a potential of perjury, but on the other hand he is at the center of this. so if he is actually willing to come in and testify, very much remains to be seen. it would be very hard in my mind to deny him that opportunity, it really is like

a person on trial. they have the call. do they want to come in and testify? it would, it's not so much that it would provide new information, i'm pretty skeptical about that but on the other hand, it is a central figure who would then before the january six committee and it would, i think, give all of us a fuller record. >> congressman, i want to switch topics. and ask you about something. there are growing calls to overhaul the united states secret service. and -- and the agency knew there was a threat to the capitol wrong before the insurrection occurred. former capitol said that he said this. take a listen. >> it made my blood boil. i think what we have an example of here is an agency that was corrupted by donald trump, it sounds like that agency needed to be gutted at the executive level. and it will work for them to reestablish credibility with

the american people. >> congressman, do you agree with officer that the united states secret service needs to basically clean house? >> i just don't know. you know, you have with the secret service, an incredibly secret job to protect the president. it's possible, with mr. fanone says that there are some agents who are very close to the president. who have may have cost lines. we just don't know. so that investigation is warranted but on the other hand there is a systemwide, agency wide problem, i think that there is no evidence indicated yet but having a review of what secret services dead on january six may lead to suggestions on whether there needs to be a wholesale reform. but i really think the question is for me is, for some agents, because of the proximity to the president is because of the relationship to the president, and particularly around the question of pre-existing

awareness of about the likelihood of violence on january 6th, that is really i think the big question. and >> i think that's exactly what the 16 committee continues to try to get answers to, before i have to let you go, i do want to switch gears to midterms. obviously, looming imminently for the nonsense. you're up significantly in the polls against the opponent, but other key races are obviously closer, and do you expect democrats to hold the senate because there's a lot of stake this november? >> i certainly hope, so you know, we're at a point where both sides express their optimism, but we have got some really good things growing for, us when you look at the accomplishments, the inflation reduction act in the first major commitment to tackle climate change, and to get the market working is to bring down cost and clean energy and the prescription job praise negotiation bell, which is something donald trump saying he supported. the chips act, where we're gonna be manufacturing shifts

back here in the united states. that's a tremendous thing for the future. but the fact that we're meeting the obligation to our veterans who are supposed to capture toxins that served us in iraq and afghanistan we've got a lot going for us. and our for inflation and when you're doing things that may have been crossed. out we've got great candidates and a great case and i think it's going to be a very close outcome. >> i'm glad to hear, it animals honored for the privilege of having it in the show this morning. congressman, peter welch, thank you for your insight and for taking the time. we appreciate. you >> thank you. >> and, coming up. former president obama dusting off those stump speeches. and getting set to return to the campaign trail. well his star power be enough to boost some of the most vulnerable democrats? the political panel coming up next! >> coming u next >> ♪♪

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as we discussed at the top of the show, president biden is already on the campaign trail. something for democratic candidates in midterms. some damn campaigns are about to get a boost of political star power. former president barack obama is set to host rallies in michigan, wisconsin, and georgia at the end of october. just days before the election. considering the 11th hour timing, and the states he's targeting. it may appear as if democrats are bringing in the cavalry. but obama has a specific strategy. just yesterday, obama did his first major interview of the campaign with the podcast. -- which is hosted by four of his former aides. this is what he had to say about donald trump and other maga candidates. >> we spend a norm is amounts of time and energy and resources, pointing out the latest, crazy thing he said, or

you know, how rude or mean, you know, some of these republican candidates behaved. that's probably not something that, in the minds of most voters, over either basic interests. can i pay the ransom? what our gas prices? how my dealing with childcare, et cetera? right? obama went on to talk about how the important message to build was building durable majorities and equal treatment for everyone. >> and not taking the gop debate on anti identity politics and gop wokeness. is he right? let's do my own solar panel. joe washes a congressman for the state of illinois. he's no longer republican. and maria is an msnbc political analyst. she's also the author of the new book, once i was you. which is her memoir adapted now for younger readers.

good morning to both of you. joe, i would like to start with you. i wanna go a little bit deeper into that comments from former president barack obama. how would you assess how well democrats are doing staying on point on message for what they can do for voters. instead of birth reactive lee responding to whatever offensive thing that republicans are staying or tweeting that they? >> katie. i think democrats generally have not done a very good job. and i respectfully dim disagree with former president obama. look, democrats shouldn't be talking about how mean and rude republican maga candidates are, they should be talking about how these maga candidates denied the results of our elections. and respectfully, again, president obama and other democrats. i think most americans can understand and compare about rising gas prices. and the fact that we are losing our democracy. i think americans can handle

those and i don't think democrats have done a good enough job of letting the american people know that this is an emergency. our democracy is literally on the line. that's what they need to say. >> maria. what do you think it does say about the fact that obama is being brought in. almost like a heavy hitter. to support these candidates in the final days of the campaign. fox news online running about oh right now that says democrats right now need barack obama on the campaign trail. do you think that some kind of indictment about whether joe biden can actually help these candidates? >> well. it's a complicated question. by the way katie, it's free for you on the show. listen, i'm not surprised that barack obama is hitting the campaign trail. and using a phenomenal campaigner. and he's a phenomenal face and legacy of the democratic party. and, i agree that there has

been real problems with the messaging from the democrats. but i mean, at large. this is not their strong point. so it's not surprising that he's coming out. i just think that there needs to be a conversation, very specifically, about getting voters engaged in this moment and you know exactly what i'm talking about in those particular states. michigan, wisconsin, georgia. these are places where latino voters are kind of like, man. or they may not be huge percentages but they can be that swing. and at this moment, in this moment in history after what this country has been through with the shame of the los angeles city council. and they're anti-blackness this needs to be a moment where the president actually commences with latino voters and says we are expecting you to come out now. and i agree, it needs to be both. it has to be talking about democracy, because yes, we are in peril. but also there are basic issues that i'm hearing latino voters want to know about. >> and to maria's point, on

that podcast from president obama. they said that sometimes democrats can be a bump skill. and sometimes people just want to knock feels as if they're knocking on eggshells. and that any of us at any given moment can see the things the wrong way, and make mistakes. i think joe, you have all people understand this idea right? and you are definitely not wildflower when it comes to your opinion. so i have to ask, isn't there a valid concern that obama's criticism here is not gonna help democratic candidates sounding the alarm bell about the future of democracy? >> katie. i come from the right, i was a republican so let me tell you something. the right will do anything and everything to win an election. i implore, and i've been imploring for a long time, my friends, my democratic friends. and you can't get into the ring and fight. i mean think about this, if every american in this election voted to save our democracy.

every republican would lose. but i don't hear democrats talking about that. i just don't think that they have been fighting hard enough, i think this is our first election since the former president led an insurrection to violently overturn an election. that's what we should be talking about, and that's what, and one more time katie. i think more's boaters can handle talking about gas prices and saving our democracy. >> yeah, maria. why is it that there is a suggestion for whatever reason, and being capable to walk and chew gum at the same time. joe's point is well taken that it's one that you just articulated as well. there has to be the ability to resonate to as many voters as possible. to use as much messaging as possible. to get as many democrats to the polls in november. and later they're on. a big example of this issue is georgia. you brought up that state, maria. there's a big debate coming up tomorrow. governor brian kemp will take

the state with the challenge. democrat stacey abrams can basically repeat a rams four years ago. the current nuclear politics of polls, as ryan kept ahead with a five-point lead. what is stacey abrams gonna have to say, maria, both in the debate and what's left on the campaign trail to narrow camps lead? and when? >> okay, thank you katie for putting me up against stacey abrams. [laughs] >> you've got the wisdom area, you better bring it. that's why we had you on. >> i was just listening to her yesterday in the podcast and you know, she's talking precisely the voters that we're talking about engage. younger voters, latino voters. asian voters and the state of georgia. people who had felt not paid attention to. so, i think she was just gonna go deep into that policy right there. and she's got to be, i think

georgia right now is such a strange moment in politics. and she needs to dive into that strange moment in politics. and say, look at what i've done. look at how i've been. acting for the entire time since the last election which many say that he should've won. she's built this community base. she's built a national performance. people know who she is. and he knows i'm doing this for the democracy. i love the fact that i'm agreeing with a former republican. but what joe is saying, which is, our democracy is on fire. and new new voters, new voters who have felt that the democratic party has not come to you. we're counting on you. make sure, i mean frankly katie, i'm not a political analysts. but i am a democracy junkie. so wherever i go, i'm seeing, you better be registering to vote. i'm seeing this to ten year olds when i'm in their public schools. talking about my new book. because it doesn't, i mean at

this point we have to save this democracy. which is what is joe is talking about. we have to take that seriously, and i do believe that new voters can connect with that. absolutely. >> i think maria and joe, the important thing, is we actually could take a page out of their republican playbook of being out there loud and proud about what we have accomplished in terms of being a democrat. maria, it's always good to see you. and joe watch, my friend, you always bring the truth. i think both of you for being here from my political panel this morning thank you. >> thank you. >> and coming up! with so much for that one billion dollar verdict. alex jones saying that he's not going to stop spreading lies, and insists the sandy hook families won't get a red sent out of him. so what is next? christopher, the lead attorney for the sam hook families joins me next. ies join me next. when your time is threatened,

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of relief last week when the jury in connecticut insisted vile human being, alex jones, to pay $1 million in damages to that some of the sandy hook families. but that relief was somewhat short-lived because apparently that astronomical penalty wasn't enough of a deterrent to shut him up. take a listen. >> they want to scare everybody away from freedom.

and scare us away from questioning volley and what really happened there. or parkland. or any other event. and guess what we're not scared and we're not going away and we're not going to stop. i can keep them in court for years and i can appeal this stuff and we can stand up against this travesty. against the billions of dollars that they won it is a joke. >> in his own words, alex jones laying out his next targets there. the historic punishment, as long as his response, follows gut-wrenching testimony that say jones and his followers turn the lies into a living hell. by calling the 2012 max shooting a hoax. one parent testifying that she came knives and a baseball bat by her bed because she fears being attacked, another telling the jury that conspiracy theorists marinated on the grave of his seven-year-old son, and threaten to dig up his coffin. as jones vows to continue questioning other school shootings, let's take stock of just how disgusting alex jones

can be. he's made similar false flag claims about 9/11. the 2013 boston marathon bombings. the 2016 pulse nightclub shooting. the 2017 loss vegas shooting, and of course the 2018 parkland shooting. it's a stunning track record, and it makes me wonder, how much more pain can one person cause? and if a one billion dollar punishment against him isn't a deterrent, than what? is joining me now for more is christopher matty. a lead attorney on behalf of some of the sandy hook families. chris, number, one congratulations on that amazing and powerful verdict but as you heard, in my introduction to your interview. he is already vowing to appeal. saying that his company's ongoing bankruptcies will protect infowars from having to pay. is this is the case, how are you going to fight back on behalf of those families? >> good morning katie. thank you very much for having me. look, we're ready for the next phase. and even this trial isn't yet

over. as you may know. the judge is going to be considering punitive damages in the next month. where it's unclear trade promises act. so this verdict is likely to increase. and alex jones is gonna have to deal with that. and whatever he takes an appeal or not, whether he moves himself personally into bankruptcy or not. these fights against him are not dischargeable in bankruptcy. he's gonna have this verdict hanging over him, really, for as long as he lives. unless he finds some way to pay it off sooner. and we're going to be taking every action that we can to enforce the verdict. he's been transferring assets, we know he has substantial assets under control. and so i think what you saw last week's just him flailing about panicked that he is now nearing the end of his career. because there is just no way that he's going to be able to sustain this corrupt business model any longer. so, chris. you bring up to a really important point right there. the first being the fact that it they're not conclude with

this particular trial there's a punitive phase that's going to continue. for my viewers understand. i hundred $65 million, almost a billion dollars in damages, is not the end of this. there's a punitive damages to this where infowars could get tight for more money? >> that's exactly right. >> the verdict last week was for compensatory damages for 15 plaintiffs, according to the defamation and related to their emotional distress. it also brought the claim a fair trade practices act which makes it unlawful for someone doing business in connecticut to do so in a way that sultan injury to others. the judges result responsible for punitive damages on top of the verdict of the jury awarded.

actually that john previous claims were staged -- you make more money off of. that the more outrageous virus, the more people go to his website and buy his staff and improve that as well. >> the other important concept about a few minutes ago is the consummate official in transfers. can you explain to our viewers who are not deterred by this concept that he was not going to pay -- that you don't use it to fund-raise on his website and podcast because he took this money, knowing he was going to be hit with these judgments. there's one in texas, a third top coming on putting that kid as well, but don't took this money transferred to things under his control and that means that you guys can still pursue until the end of time to get this money. >> yeah. so, we already have a lawsuit in texas claiming that he has transferred assets fraudulently in anticipation of this verdict. that means that, really from the beginning of his time

leading up to sandy hook any assets that may have come to his control to be transferred either from family member, businesses, our assets that we are going to be up to claw back. that includes, by the way, cryptocurrency that auschwitz has been celeste subbing donations in in some time. never -- those go directly to him personally. somebody had to admit in the trial so, there is a lot of money coming to him for a long time. his corporate representative in trial testified for -- over the past two years. those assets are going to come under scrutiny -- they are going to end up at some point being hated towards these children. >> i'd let you go, for, but money is never going to bring back these children. it is never going to help these families get their children back.

this was a victory for your clients. can you share with our viewers, how are they doing? they have suffered through so much trauma including having to relive that horrific day when they had to testify in court. >> it's hard for people to understand what the last ten years have been like for these families. obviously they suffered an unspeakable loss, but on top of that they merely nearly immediately following that alex jones was having his followers for a slam, threaten him. many of them had to live on the run -- it has really been a form of torture for people who lost their children and loved ones. when you saw last week was a culmination of years of effort for these folks finally saying they are not going to take it anymore. we are going to try to stand up for ourselves, can after the next people who all showed victimized. they feel like the jury heard them, their stories, they have an opportunity to tell them. the jury recognized just how catastrophic this has been and can be. they feel relieved, very proud,

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republicans and other conservative figures in the run up to the midterms but then our remembered our show is only one hour long. i start with doug mastriano. the gubernatorial candidate in pennsylvania. he's been attacking his opponent josh shapiro by targeting shapiro's jewish school, which his kids are attending. he openly supports christian nationalism or describe the school, as quote, privileged exclusive and at leek and said it is proof that shapiro has, quote, disdain for people like us. >> people like us. a very interesting torture wars here for mastriano. mastriano's ties to, gab a far-right social media platform that hosts white nationalists, and whose founder is unknown antisemite. he as an mastriano did eventually delete his gap account, saying he rejects antisemitism in any form. and that it sounded like lip service. then there are these comments from georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene at a trump rally last week. but >> joe biden's 5 million

illegal air lance are on the verge of replacing, you replacing your jobs or your kids in school. they are also replacing your culture. and that is not great for america. >> marjorie taylor greene's obvious nod to the great replacement theory. and idea that elites and sometimes do specifically are bringing immigrants into the country to replace white people. and of course there is kanye west, who on twitter said he would soon go, quote, death con three on jewish. people west has a massive social media following and often spouts conservative talking points, has been lifted up by the. right the gop house judiciary committee tweeting this after west was seen wearing a white lives matter t-shirts at paris fashion week. let's remember, words have consequences. just a few days ago, police in michigan arrested a teenager for threatening to kill jewish

people. with all of that and, mind i am honored to be joined in studio today by the ceo and the national director of the anti defamation league. jonathan green. black jonathan, it is an honor to have you on set. this is a critical time. you, know the concept of antisemitism is tragically obviously not new. what are your thoughts about the fact that it has been so mainstream now by the gop and there is no pushback at all from them for it? >> look, it is very alarming in this moment when you have this hate group in america. we've seen an enormous increase in antisemitism in the ways we never would've imagined before. you've seen a rash of flyers left in driveways. >> exactly. in miami beach, where. live >> by the public defense league. we've candidates like mask toronto or blake masters or others, invoking these antisemitic tropes. i mean, when the governor want to be mastriano says that the

pennsylvania attorney general is part of an elitist of all, he is evoking antisemitic tropes. and he's doing this in the state four years ago, almost to the day. we saw the most violent anti-semitic attack in american history. at that synagogue in pittsburgh. you mentioned kanye west. when he talks about, going quote, death gone three. whatever that means. but i think what we really need to talk about is not just these individuals who are spreading into jewish hate, but their enablers. it is alarming to see people like tucker carlsen, not only giving kanye platform, but failing to push back. in any meaningful way. when he repeats these, lies these hateful factions. and we have seen people in the gop like you. said look, jews are concerned. last year we had the highest number of antisemitic incidents, katie, that we've ever seen in over 40 years. by, the way we are seeing them on college campuses. we are seeing them in workplace environments. we are seeing them in schools.

so, look regardless of where you come from in the matter how you vote, antisemitism and all forms of hate needs to be rejected. full stop. >> so what can be done? give us some tools. what can people say and do to try to combat this mainstreaming, as you say, because it's completely tragically accurate of antisemitism? >> we need people in positions of, authority whether an elected official or political candidate or a cable news ponded to step up and say, this is unacceptable. particularly as you are kind of pointing, out when it comes from their, team if you. will we need republicans and conservatives to call out conservative candidates, who fought with fascism and evoke antisemitism. we need candidates on the left to step up and push back on radical anti-zionism. and hateful comments from their direction, to. we need everyone and all signs but if you are an individual you can do things like flag comment on facebook or call it the social media that is

successful of the stuff and all of us have the ability to point that out. and then, again step up and speak out not just for yourself would be an ally for others. keep in mind for all of this antisemitism jews are just 2% of the u.s. population. we need another 90% of america to say this is not okay. >> i want to bring up some numbers because i feel like sometimes people need to remember that there are objective statistics out there that support physicians that are being taken by the atl, for example. there are new reports by the ideal that chose florida, my, state is home to more extremist charges since the january 6th insurrection than any other state. it is not just antisemitism it is racism and all the other sources and kind of vehicles of hatred. why do you think there is such a huge uptick in acts of hate in the last few years? >> i think political polarization contributes to it. people get so charged on both sides. extremists feel emboldened sends donald trump welcomed them into the political process

and the public conversation. social media amplifies all of this and antisemitism starts with the jurors but never ends with the jews. anti asian hate anti black racism. it is all up. so antisemitism is kind of like the accelerant that pours fuel on the fire of an already divided society. we are really worried about the election in a few weeks. we are very worried about 2024. we have extremists who feel emboldened bringing guns to polling places who are threatening people not just running for federal office, but as low as the library board. this is really new. and it is happening, again, in political environments. last week we released a report on college campuses. we saw 350 antisemitic incidences at major universities in the last, year. katie and i'm not talking about some unknown university. i am talking about columbia, northwestern, harvard, i could go on.

so all of us need to, realize no matter what the station or political party, the way to stand up and step back and say this is not okay. >> and you have to step up and say something and do something. >> yes. >> jonathan from the, adl thank you so. much it was an honor to have you here. so thank you, and we are gonna be right back. ht back. series menu. let's hear about this #7 pick, from a former #7 pick. juicy rotisserie-style chicken. you should've been #1. this isn't about the sandwich, is it chuck? it's not. the new subway series. what's your pick? ♪♪ giorgio, look! the peanut butter box is here. ralph, that's the chewy pharmacy box with our flea and tick meds. it's not peanut butter. ♪ the peanut butter box is here ♪ i'm out. pet prescriptions delivered to your door. chewy.

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