from her very favor nephew. that is really nice. may i add one word? no -- i told you i was going to see death of a salesman. that wonderful segment last week. it was breathtaking, spectacular, outstanding. i will not soon forget it. anyway, thank you very much, my friend. i hope and lillian gets better soon. >> thank you, alex. a very good day tolliver from and i said we see world orders. welcome to -- the race to the 2022 midterms finish line. this comes just 23 days in a matter of hours before one of the most consequential elections in u.s. history. new today, the white house announced president biden will hit the campaign trail on november 1st in florida to try to bolster charlie chris who is

running for governor there. also new this weekend, for president obama is now set a campaign in three critical states later this month. control of the senate, the biggest prize as both parties try to break what is effectively a current 50/50 split. early voting begins tomorrow in multiple battleground states as well as numerous senate and gubernatorial debates in the coming days. both sides are sending messages to the voters earlier today. >> i think the good policy is good politics. we have been doing the right thing for the american people with proposals that are -- they are popular because they make sense. >> we are phenomenal candidates. we're going to win races in a lot of places that you haven't seen. they are furious with biden and pelosi's far-left socialist agenda which has led to increased spending, increased inflation. >> those two will not get the final word. our team of reporters and analysts --

we start with nbc's monica alba at the white house with a closer look at what is all at stake. monika, over to you. i. >> hi there, alex. the outcome of the midterms is very consequential for biden's agenda, determining whether he will be able to pass other legislation. the likelihood of multiple congressional investigations if republicans not won back enough seats stay control. across the country, the final sprint to election day is underway. candidates racing toward the finish as the top surrogates like biden hated the trail. >> i wrote a thing called the inflation reduction act. >> touting legislative accomplishments while campaigning internationally with oregon, throwing his support behind the democratic support for governor there. >> i think we can win. >> a sign of gop momentum heading into the midterms which tend to benefit the party out of power. that is something for president barack obama learned all too

well in 2010. he is set to campaign in georgia, michigan, and wisconsin. more control of the senate could be decided along with other key states. >> republicans are aiming to make november's elections a referendum on the presidents first two years in office, especially seizing on high inflation in places like georgia, where incumbent democratic senator raphael warnock is up against former football star herschel walker. >> i didn't get a chance to give it to him. i got a team biden t-shirt. >> pennsylvania, where lieutenant governor john fetterman is facing celebrity doctor mehmet oz. >> dr. oz likes to make fun of me that i miss a word. he has missed two words, i'm not a yes or no on the national abortion ban. >> i'm giving you a bigger answer than yes or no. it should be up to the states. >> and nevada, where incumbent democratic senator catherine cortez masto is competing with adam laxalt, who led the charge

to overturn the 2020 results there. >> i will tell you who is not coming to the campaign right now, catherine cortez masto. that is 38% joe. >> if victorious, republicans on the hill had planned to launch probes into everything from the president's decision to withdraw from afghanistan to his son hunter's business dealings. this week, biden will focus on abortion rights in a speech on tuesday, hoping it will galvanize voters. he will head to pennsylvania on thursday to help boost candidates there. alex? >> monika, thank you so much from that. let's go to atlanta. early voting begins tomorrow for two crucial georgia races. nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapoor joins us. welcome. there's a lot going on in georgia. can we expect all the voting lines like what we saw in 2020? >> alex, that's a clear finger that we will reveal soon. interest is certainly very high here.

this state is becoming the center of the political universe once again. it was decisive. it looks like it might be decisive yet again in 2022. the two major candidates met for the first time in what is likely to be their only debate friday in savannah. raphael warnock, the democratic incumbent, highlighted issues like medicaid extension and his support for abortion rights. his republican challenger herschel walker repeatedly returned to this theme of trying to connect warnock to biden and blaming him for economic problems. this is a very tight race. one question on the minds of analysts here is, did this change the minds of voters? i will let you decide that for yourself. let's have a look at what voters told us about that debate. >> i think warnock tried to avoid a lot of the questions. i think herschel got hit pretty hard on some issues.

they really held their own. i don't think it was the kind of debate that you're going to walk out and go, they absolutely changed my mind. i also think that herschel made some good points. >> i saw one prepared candidate who is ready from day one to go on and fight for the people of georgia. i saw another candidate who was a threat to democracy. i don't see why someone could vote for herschel walker after watching the debate. >> i had a general understanding that he was a black man. he was a republican, things like that. actually seeing him speak definitely made me more confident about supporting him or not. >> as you can hear their, alex, most voters minds are made up, but it's the margins that are everything. even small shifts are on the margins in georgia can be decisive. the presidential election in 2020 was won by president biden by fewer than 12,000 votes.

democrats won -- fewer than two points. at this moment, raphael warnock has the edge over herschel walker. he leads by about three points to four points in recent polling averages. that league has roughly doubled in the last couple of weeks since the story broke of herschel walker allegedly paying an ex girlfriend to have an abortion in 2009, a charge that he denies. it is all to watch here in georgia, a state and a race which could be decisive in control of the senate, could determine the fate of president biden's agenda, his executive rationale monies, as well as a future of the judiciary. >> those interviews perfectly encapsulated why the next 23 days are critical in georgia. thank you for that, sahil. joining me now, michael starr hopkins, president of northern star strategy and senior adviser to florida democratic gubernatorial nominee charlie crist. former republican congressman from florida david jolly, also an msnbc political analyst.

it's good to see you guys. let's get into this now. georgia is among the key senate races. any of them could help determine which president gets control. michael, what are you hearing as being the number one thing that stands out to you, to the voters 23 days from election day? >> you know what? i'm hearing from voters on the ground all across the country that abortion is the big issue. when you talk about race, this is the first time in over 50 years that we have seen americans lose a right. i think that is something the democrats need to hammer down. it's not just a democrat issue or republican issue. it's an american issue. you see women, whether it be in the cities or suburbs, really hone in on the fact that their ability to decide what they do with their body is not just about having a child, but it's about body autonomy in terms of their self determination on jobs in their future. >> okay. moving to you, susan.

is there one recurring issue your hearing is most influential? >> in addition to the economy, i think that states front and center for all voters, it's at the top in every poll -- when you dig deeper, while the abortion issue is important, one of the things that i have noticed it is that independent women, that critical swing vote, independent center-right women, they care about gun safety. i think you saw gretchen whitmer use it in her debate this past week because it does resonate with voters. i think democrats would be ramos -- getting voters who are in the center right. >> okay. what about the battle for the control of the house? that's also a pretty close call right now. republicans are slightly favored to win. the project that the fate of the chamber rests on about a dozen toss-up seats. you have house democrats

campaigning. they announced that this week is going to pull in 56 point $5 million. 14 million more than its gop counterpart. how much does fundraising, david, trades latest success at the ballot box? >> it depends on the message they deploy that money in support of. that is this discussion. what is the message that moves voters in favor of -- going into november 8th? there is a basket of goods on messaging. what i'm curious about is, does it support the coalition that we saw for democrats? that is the main thing that i think will decide who controls the house, the senate, and ultimately the fates of up and down ballot candidates. what i mean by that is the sweep of democrats in 18 legislatively was a response to trumpism. we saw democrats in disaffected republicans and independents and coalition. we also saw that coalition in

20 to kick out donald trump from office and keep democrats in control. will that coalition be in place this cycle? i think joe biden is where he needs to be. he has changed his language in the last month or so to talk about the coalition of democrats, republicans, and independents. that's a coalition which wants to protect fundamental rights to vote, that once a party that can balance bodily autonomy of the woman and the question of life, that wants to balance gun safety against the right to own firearms. that is that coalition. all the money raised by democrats -- will be in support of a message which brings the coalition on november 8th? >> so, michael, i'm going to go back to what you said on one issue. i'm actually going to you senator bernie sanders, who in a guardian op-ed this week says democrats should not focus only on abortion in the midterms, that's a mistake -- he expanded on those thoughts on meet the press earlier today. let's listen to him. >> what i think is that

democrats should talk about the economy. i think they should contrast their views with the republican positions. i believe, and most democrats believe, that at a time one half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, we should raise the minimum wage to a living wage. no republicans support that. >> the senator went on to make a few more specific contrasts. to you agree that democrats's message, maybe after hearing that -- we're thinking big picture. susan said having gun safety should be multi-focused. to a single issue focus register more effectively with voters when they are drilling down on one thing? >> look, i believe that democrats should be able to multitask. so far, it's not something we have been good at. i think that that is something democrats should be doing. we should not be able to do it in a way that is cogent and --

using abortion as a cudgel is not something that has been really effective. when you look at the georgia race and you see herschel walker, saying people who have abortions should go to jail while also having paid for abortions, that is a message that i think is winning. and the essence of it, it's about telling the truth. republicans don't want to tell the truth. they want to manipulate. they want to use false truths. they never actually want to have a conversation. democrats could use abortion in a way that put a spotlight on the fact that they are not willing to have an honest conversation. >> michael moore, who correctly predicted donald trump's victory in 2016, now predicts a blue tsunami for democrats on november 8th, suggesting that voters will, quote, descend upon the polls on mass. an overwhelming unprecedented tsunami of voters who will legally or move every last

stinking trader to our democracy. susan, do you think he's right again? it's january 6th effectively on the ballot? he references traitors. >> i believe michael moore made that statement in the summer or early fall. i think things have changed as they often do in campaigns and politics. i don't see a blue tsunami. i barely see a blue senate. i see the republicans picking up five congressional seats and taking control of the house. all of that being said, when we talk in those broad terms, alex, we have to remember that these are state by state campaigns. as someone who works in politics, when i look at the polls, i don't see that it's close. that doesn't do me any good. when i look for our gettable voters. where can i increase my voters? that is without a doubt across the board independent women. >> i think michael more is more optimistic than you are.

that statement was made on bill maher's show just a few weeks ago. it wasn't all the way back in the summer. you are right that things can change on a dime in politics. that's for sure. you write that a democratic win would represent a sea change in american politics. explain that to me. is it that midterms tend to favor the party that is not in control? we can expect that potentially. is there something more to it? >> i think we are living in an era where donald trump shattered the traditional orthodoxy of the gop, created a new party in his image, and it was a party, as i mention, were soundly rejected by the american people. move into this midterm, every data point would suggest that it is a layup for republicans. the numbers are upside down. vladimir putin is threatening nuclear war. we have these culture wars going on. republicans should walk into this midterm and probably retake the house, possibly the senate. we shall see. my point is that republicans taking the house is a

traditional midterm. if democrats hold and key power in the house and senate and the white house, i actually don't think we should look at this midterm as just one swing election. i believe that this would be a ground shift, the shifting of american politics, to where republicans are now threatened and looking at themselves as a minority party. if democrats pull off six years of victories in the face of trumpism, it suggests that republicans are not as competitive as i have been. the nation wants to go in the direction the democrats want to take them. >> can we look past the midterms guys? he has a ranking of the top ten candidates for 2024. president biden tops the list. he's followed by pete buttigieg and vice president harris, governor gretchen whitmer and gavin newsom rounding out the top five. six through ten are senators, governor, and a congress member, aoc. do you agree with that, michael?

what do you make of buttigieg a top in the vice president? that is not typically the case? >> i think we are headed into an interesting 2024. i was on the 2020 race as a national press secretary. what people really wanted was stability. i think that in 2024 people are going to be looking for something fresh, something new. it reminds me a lot of the 2008 election where president obama kind of took the mantle it took over the democratic party. i think that young, new ideas, someone who is honest and forthright is exactly what the voters are looking for. it's why i consistently have said that i think someone like -- someone who can talk to elite democrat voters and the working class every day man in a way that they understand they, in a way they can relate to, it's going to be the key to holding on to the white house for democrats. >> to you, susan and david. susan, is someone who stands out to you on the list? is there anyone not in the list who should be? susan, you first. >> i don't see anyone on the

list that really stands out. frankly, i think they are two aging, if you will. pete buttigieg, if you serious about it in general -- i agree with what michael said. a younger, populist candidate more in the vein of fetterman or tim ryan. >> okay. >> let's see if those two were in their respective elections. how about people who are on the list that you think should be? >> there's a lot of talent on the list. i favor moving out of washington and looking at governors and others. the one question mark for me as roy cooper, a democratic governor. >> you mentioned that before. >> he's on the same ballot, on the same ballot in a 16 and 20 with donald trump in the red state of north carolina. it might be a swing. maybe it's not. for a democratic governor to win on the same ballots, winning even by double digits, there's a big question mark.

how did he pull that off? could he create a national story around it? >> michael, susan, david, good to see all three of you. thank you. before we move on, a quick reminder for all of you that it is steve kornacki at the big board. he is going to be where he signature khakis. catches midterm countdown specials over the next to friday nights at ten eastern right here on msnbc. in the meantime, you can start about the january 6th committee vote to subpoena the former president and the potential unintended consequences, plus the intended consequences of that 14-page letter which he wrote in response. that's all next. ter which he wrote in response. that's all next. that's all next. 12 irresistible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet!

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wondering if you will comply. could i live testimony be an option? >> i think that i will only address that when we know for sure. the president has tried to push to come in and talk to us live. he has made it clear has nothing to hide. that's what he says. he should come in on the day that we ask him to come in. if he pushes off beyond that, we will figure out what to do. meanwhile, when the ninth and final hearing wrapped up the, hospital is committing to a timeline for submitting its final report. >> you will see our report before the end of the calendar year, but let me say that this is not about the next election this fall. this is about whether the sanctity of american elections here on our will on the board with violence and withdrawn. >> joining me now is peter baker and lisa rubin, legal analyst for the rachel maddow show. good to have you both as

always. after nine hearings at over 20 hours of testimony? the committee subpoena donald trump 21 months out of the january 6th attack. peter, was the decision to subpoena the former president purely symbolic? could it alter the outcome of the house committees investigation? >> i think it is mainly making a point. it's making the point that the one essential figure in all of this is donald trump. he hasn't -- he attacks the committee for being partisan, for being part of a hoax. he says that the election was stolen. he hasn't really ever answered a lot of the questions that people have about his actions leading up to january 6th and on the day of. rather than answer those, he has stressed engaged in partisan muscling of his own. i think that is the strategy here. he likes to say he would like to talk. we wrote in our book that during the mueller hearings he said that as well. of course, he didn't testify. his own lawyers don't believe

that he would keep a story straight and avoid getting perjury or getting himself in trouble in some fashion. >> continuing with the typical trump legal strategy, deflecting and delaying. lisa, as you heard from community members, they are i sure that trump will comply with the subpoena. what are the legal options for the committee if he indeed refuses? by the way, given others who have refused to comply, or do you put the strength of a subpoena these days? >> those are difficult questions to answer. let me start with the first one, which is, what are the committee's legal options? you know from past legal proceedings that the committee can decide. they will have to go beyond to the committee to the floor of the house to hold a subpoenaed individual in contempt of congress. once it does that, it's really out of congressional hands. it's up to the department of justice to decide whether or not they want to prosecute a subpoenaed individual for ignoring a subpoena to congress. i don't think we're going to go

down that road. as peter said, this vote is symbolic. it's also a strategic one. we are awaiting the committee's final report. most of us are expecting it to be very detailed. at the same time, the president is yelling and screaming about how the committee has never given him to process. this is his opportunity. this is the process that he says he was due. his opportunity to take the floor and tell the american people his side of the story. i don't think he will take it. here is one additional reason why. there are outstanding civil lawsuits against the president for his role in inciting the january 6th riots. two of them have been brought by former police officers who responded on the scene. they suffered injuries both physical and emotional that day. the liability that the former resident could face in a civil suit from taking the fifth is also consequential here. he doesn't part with his money easily. >> absolutely.

given the number of times he pleaded the fifth, goodnight. despite the chairman bennie thompson telling reporters that the committee will not subpoena former vice president pence, a committee aide clarified nbc news that the committee is still considering next steps. here is member stephanie murphy earlier today comparing trump and pence's testimony. it's like comparing apples and oranges. >> the former president was the perpetrator, the central figure in orchestrating the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. vice president pence was someone who was a key figure in stopping that effort from being successful. he threw his counsel has been engaged with the committee. we will continue to engage with him and make a determination if necessary in the future as it relates to the former vice president. >> lisa, how important with the former vice president's testimony be? >> i think a lot of what we would like to know from the

former vice has already been communicated to the committee through his proxies -- granted jacob, marc short, keith kellogg, people who were surrounding him on that day. however, at the last year in, we saw two big surprise, it's right? the first was a subpoena, but the second was that footage that alexandra pelosi captured. i wasn't aware she captured that footage that day nor, that she was even with her mother. one of those clips, and i'm not sure whether was the clip shown by the committee or what we have seen since, shows her mother on the phone with mike pence, saying chillingly, don't tell anyone where you are. i wonder if mike prince is -- thinking about a different posture toward the committee in light of that footage. we increasingly know exactly how much danger he was in. as more details are unfolding about the secret service interactions, maybe vice president pence is giving it a second thought. >> i'm going to say i recall -- i want to give attribution to jamie raskin, but i'm not a

hunted percent sure. it has been noted that the six most chilling words ever uttered -- i'm not getting in that car, by mike pence. it was pretty storming. with donald trump having offered a rant, here is how denver riggleman responded to his comments yesterday. >> i think part of that fortunately gillette or you saw, which was part of his program of relentless radicalization and a letter which could have been written by rudy giuliani, sydney powell, jenny thomas, phil waldron, qanon adherence themselves -- he's really trying to get oxygen back into where he is back in the media. i think that is with us subpoena might have done. >> peter, is there reason to believe that the subpoena is going to rile up trump's face? >> he's going to be riled up no matter what. the committee isn't too worried about that.

i think they are trying to make a point to the people who are listening to their results and their investigation. the point about mike pence, by the way -- he will have his sign out there soon. it will be in the form of a book. his book is coming out on november 15th. it's very different than to have him sitting down answering questions. it will be interesting to see how he frames it, what he says about that day, what he says about how he felt about donald trump, the way trump treated him that day. i think there's a lot of anticipation to see how he tried to straddle it. in the last year and a half, he is trying not to break with trump to the recklessly -- he made that decision on that day's not try to assume power. >> there's a book coming out to compete with the divider? anyway, let's go quickly to another legal challenge for donald trump. that's the mar-a-lago case. the new reporting from the wall street journal says the justice

department is interested in testimony from another trump aide who might be able to provide information on whether missing government arguments were transported to a trump property other than mar-a-lago. will -- he went on to work for the former president in florida after he left office. the journal says that he is not formerly cooperating. nbc has reached out to all the parties involved. a spokesman for trump declined to comment and criticize the moral of us are just unwarranted. a doj department spokesman says they have declined to comment as well. what kind of questions does this reporting raise for you? >> i think what is really fascinating is how inside the trump orbit the justice department seems to be at this point. that has to be a great concern to former president trump. these are people who understand what he did and did not do in response to the request from the government to return the documents.

they will understand and provide illumination as to whether or not he knowingly defied a subpoena, whether he knowingly instructed his lawyer to sign a statement in june saying that all the documents had been returned when we now know that they were not. one thing that has always been a trick for prosecutors and lawyers who pursue donald trump is that they wanted to narrow down what he knew and what he didn't know. narroit's hard to pin down knowledge. how did he know he was doing something wrong? these are people who would have knowledge that might go to that question. >> legally, why would the doj be interested in potential movement of documents after the trump team received a subpoena? i think that last point is the money point? >> alex, that goes straight to the heart of an obstruction charge. i think we have said that several times. obstruction is the sleeper hit of the investigation. there's been so much focused on the espionage charges. we're training classified

documents remains a crime. the longer he retains them, the stronger the case is for the doj. they are of interest to the departments. they can talk about post presidential, post subpoena, they might have been instructed to move those boxes. not only within mar-a-lago, but to take those documents from residents to residents. trump always had certain documents within hand shot. he could access and whatever he needed them. why did he need them? perhaps the two of them and some others within the inter trump orbit will no. this is like watching a soap opera in its seventh season. it is not funny and not entertaining. this is our democracy. >> actually pretty scary. peter i lisa, you guys it's, always good to see you both. thank you so much. many people might not be all that interested in what the

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murders and attempted seventh one. hundreds of tips came in after the footage was released. early saturday morning, when the suspect was allegedly on the trail of his next victim, police were on his trail. >> our surveillance team followed this person while he was driving. we watched this pattern and determined early this morning he was on a mission to kill. he was out haunting. as officers made contact, he was wearing dark clothing and had a mask around his neck. he was also armed with a firearm when he was taken into custody. we are sure we stopped another killing. >> the suspect was identified as 43-year-old wesley brownley. authorities say he was a stop and resident. he has moved around some.

he has a criminal record, but they did not elaborate on what that is. he is expected to be in court on tuesday. no word yet on what he will be charged with and a motive for all of these killings. >> utterly chilling. thank you so much for that, scott. let's go from there to beijing. china is launching its most important meeting of its political calendar. that's the chinese communist party congress, which is held every five years. it is expected to consolidate power into president xi jinping for unprecedented third term. let's go to nbc's janice frankie who has traveled to the -- welcome. what did you hear from president xi? >> a party congress happened only twice in a decade. the speech by xi jinping is being parsed word by word to get a sense of where china is heading policy wise for the next five years. this is an important congress. she jinping is expected to secure this third term in power

which breaks with precedent set by the party over several decades. it starts to move china into uncomfortable territory in terms of how much power lies with a single leader. the speech today was 104 minutes long. in it, xi jinping talked about china's development. he talked of a stronger military. the declaration that unification with the mainland will happen. that doesn't break new ground. this is something that has been said before. more of -- what was not mentioned in the speech today was the united states, by name, anywhere, with relations at a new low with the export controls on chips and semiconductors technology announced by president biden

earlier this month. instead, she jinping talked about dangerous storms ahead for china. in terms of what people here wanted to know, that was whether or not there was going to be an end to the zero covid policy which rules daily life in beijing and beyond. it seems it is not going to end. she jinping applauded the policy for quote putting peoples lives first even though it is weighing heavily on the economy, went heavily on mood. here in beijing, we need to do covid tests every few days to be able to go into buildings or shopping malls, sending our kids to school. people were looking for some change in that. it seems it is not going to happen. the congress lasts all week. the meetings will be very secretive. at the end of it, she jinping will emerge as ruler for as long as he chooses with his

power now seemingly complete. alex? >> that's extraordinary. thank you for the comprehensive report despite many secret meetings. we appreciate that, janice. it's one powerful word used to describe the impact of the january 6th hearings. does it hit the mark? getting into the bottom of donald trump's apparent affection for qanon conspiracies. a former trump administration insider joins me next. r joins me next. r joins me next. ing peoplliberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! (limu squawks) he's a natural. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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>> that is a new reaction from president biden to the january six committee hearing. joining me now is olivia troye. she was a top aide in the trump administration to former vice president mike pence. olivia is now a chief political strategist for the renew america movement and a good friend to us. it's good to have you back. thank you for joining us. what case do you think the committee made? where do you think they fell short, if at all? >> i think they've done a tremendous job of really showing that narrative from start to finish of what led to the january 6th events, the type of damage that was done at the events, the heart and the continuing legacy of what led up to these narratives and the lies about the election, and

also tying it directly to donald trump himself and what he did do and what he did not do. what we have seen is that he did not do a darn thing to stop the events of what happened that day. he had no problem putting all of these lives in danger, including his own vice president. >> what about the point that trump knew and accepted he lost the election and the supreme court challenged before january 6th? let's take a listen to what folks in the inner circle have told the committee. here it is. >> he said something to the effect of, i don't want people to know we lost, mark. this is embarrassing. figured out. we need to figure out. i don't want people to know that we lost. >> the president says, i think it could have been -- it was more to the effect of, we lost, we need to let that issue go to the next guy. >> he was looking at the tv and he said, can you believe i lost to this effing guy? >> he said, you know, a lot of

times, he will tell me that he lost. he wants us to keep fighting it. >> all of that is so damning, particular that first soundbite we played from cassidy hutchison. i don't want people to know that we lost. this is embarrassing. figure it out. like, what? why is he still publicly promoting the big lie? why are we public? >> that's the danger of all of it. trump himself knows he lost the election. that's not what they are selling out there. we have election denier still running on a platform that the election was stolen. the former president himself has admitted that he lost. he starts doing all these crazy actions like potentially withdrawn from somalia, afghanistan in a hurry because he knows his time is limited in office. i think it's about control and power. what they have noticed is that it's working for him. they're riling up the base. let's be honest, fox news was willing to perpetuate the lies. they were willing to radicalize americans based on it. it has been so dangerous, what

is happening here, for the democracy. i know you and i talk about this. it's how much this has really undermines voter confidence in our electoral system. >> another former trump white house staffer who says that he thinks january 6th was premeditated based on trump's actions as president. let's listen to the. >> first, we were scratching our heads asked why he wouldn't do anything about domestic terrorism. why would he not bring up the insurrection acts which he wanted to use to bring out the military to enforce laws? we told him we couldn't use the military. >> did you agree with that? i mean, to have firsthand knowledge of him ignore the domestic terrorist threat or him asking about the insurrection act? >> yeah, absolutely. i was mike pence's homeland security adviser. when my aunt was almost shot in that walmart in el paso when that shooter drove ten hours based on some great replacement theory, it was certainly an

attack based on the presidents motives and what he had been pushing. when i raised it in the white house, i had to be very careful and how i was going to present the case and evidence on this. i knew i was walking into a situation that was not welcomed. i certainly saw other people at my home department my, department of homeland security, where we have these conversations about this increasing. it was a domestic threat. it continues to rise. this was not something that was going to be addressed in the trump white house. let's be honest, he used a lot of these groups that post is kind of rhetoric, that subscribe to these theories of january 6th. he called them his supporters. >> i had a fascinating conversation yesterday with former republican conversation denver riggleman. here is what he said he would ask trump if he actually showed up to answer the subpoena. let's take a look. >> are you actually a qanon adherence? can you believe in that? that right there, i think that actually shows you how these

type of radical conspiracy theories have flooded all the way to the top. we saw that in the text messages from mark meadows. do you believe your own bs? i would say he does not, but he would probably have to say yes. >> were you in the white house when qanon stuff first came out? are you aware of how staffers reacted? are you convinced that trump doesn't believe his own bs? >> i actually don't think that trump believes half the stuff that comes out of his mouth. that is what makes him so dangerous. he will just espouse things and go along with them. he will also listen to people. the last thing in his ear, he will repeat it. that's how we ended up with that infamous incident during covid. i saw that happening firsthand. i saw that went down. i think it is better to ask that question, what the problem is that words matter, especially when there is someone who is in the oval office. when people hear you say these things, they believe them. they act on them. that is why this man and others

like him and all who enabled him, especially in the republican party who have allowed him to continue to succeed and have a hold of this party, are equally as complicit in this. they know better. >> olivia troye, thank you so much for chatting with us. i always appreciate you. have a good one. burning questions answered about opec's decision and the impact it is going to have on gas prices and your wallet. gas prices and your waetll gas prices and your waetll ♪♪ whenever heartburn strikes get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums ♪

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house could get further into oil reserves to ease global energy prices as a biden administration sparse over opec's plan to reduce global production. one white house economic adviser says 180 million barrels were released from the u.s. strategic patrolling -- 400 million barrels remain. >> there is capacity there to

use the sbir to deal with some of the energy shocks we are seeing. i'm not saying we will. that's up to the president to decide. he hasn't made that decision yet. if we look at the unconscionable actions of putin amplified by the short sighted and misguided decisions by opec plus recently, shore, having -- potential release is an important tool. >> cnbc's hardly gamble joins me from dubai. hadley, welcome. is this a good option for the biden administration? was there an impact? the question is, with 400 million barrels left, at what point would further depletion of u.s. reserves be risky? >> this is the big question, alex. if the interviews that i have had with the u.s. special envoy for energy, he has essentially said to me that if there is ever a point when the united states is the feeling quite worry about whether or not there is going to be enough capacity, whether or not there

is going to be enough oil for consumers in the end states, that they will in fact be willing to dip into the strategic petroleum reserves. in subsequent interviews and every time they have been able to do this and have released that amount of oil, it hasn't really moved the market. it doesn't move the price more than a pop if, you will you have to -- they cut it from the market. it really only equates to about 1 million or 1 million 0.1. that is because these are producers who have been struggling to meet their targets over the last 6 to 9 months as is. i have to tell you that the vibe i am getting from riyadh in conversations i've had over the last couple of weeks is one of total shock. folks in riyadh are really surprised that the administration, republicans are democrats, are surprised they made the cut and the backlash that they have seen. they are in riyadh saying, glisten, we've warned you repeatedly that we are coming up on an energy crisis. we don't have spare capacity for that.

we are very worried about chinese growth. we are very worried about the fact that the world is potentially going into a recession. we are worried about inflation. we're going to keep the foot on the break. we were surprised at the backlash. they say the market fundamentals actually support what they are doing. when i had a chance to sit with the saudi energy minister a couple of weeks ago off the back of this decision. i was the first question at the press conference. listen, this is going to be seen as an act of aggression against the u.s. and inactivate aggression against the west given the geopolitical tensions we are facing. he said, listen. show me the belligerence and what we have done. we have been warning you guys repeatedly that this is something we are definitely considering. when you take a step back and look at the meeting that he had with the biden white house in riyadh just a couple of days ago, they tell me this was not an ask for the biden administration. they didn't come to riyadh with her hand out saying, yeah, we want an agreement here in terms of production costs. we want help from you guys. we want to make sure you are putting more oil on the market to alleviate prices. we didn't get that question from the mat that time.

we continue to warn that is something we were willing and probably going to do. >> the big question, since you say that there are 1 million barrels or so of this that was caught that had not already gone into the facts, is that due to gas prices? what is your expectation? will american see relief? >> the folks we have been speaking to on cnbc have told us they see oil through the end of the year between $85 to $100. this is the problem. you have geopolitical tensions that no one has a crystal ball four. at this point, we are talking about the perception that russian barrels could be taken off the market the a price gap for sanctions. the folks that i am speaking to of the oil producing nations in this part of the world are quite worried. they have to think about their own economies, their own budgets. saudi arabia's break even price for oil is $80 a barrel. they have to make sure that prices are at a certain level.

they are worried about demanded destruction. for the long term, that's not good for them either. folks are shocked that this has involved into where it has evolved to in terms of optics. you and i can be shocked at that. i have to tell you that this is the message area from riyadh and elsewhere the, that they are surprised that they have gotten to this level of acrimony. they have their own concerns to worry about. part of that is that relationship with russia which they have continued to solidify, that opec plus agreements. they say at the end of the day that this is about market fundamentals and not politics. >> i love your big picture perspective that you always bring. hadley gamble, thank you so much. who is number one? the top ten democratic presidential candidates for 2024. it's a brand-new list coming up on our next hour. a brand-new list coming u on our next hour