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msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. developing this hour new report from the january six committee's questions swirl over whether donald trump will formally answer a subpoena from the panel. the former president avoiding the question in the 14-page response to the committee. a bit earlier today panel member reports trump testified live could be an option. >> that is going to be a negotiation i will only address that when we know for sure whether not to the president has tried to push this on to our lives. he's made it clear he has nothing to hide. so we are coming on the day we asked him to come in. he pushes off the on that we'll figure what to do next. >> also new today another member of the committee was pressed on why the committee did not vote to subpoena vice president mike pence.

>> i think that is comparing apples to oranges. the former president was the perpetrator and the central figure in orchestrating the effort to overturn the 2020 election whereas vice president pence was somebody who is a key figure in stopping that effort from being successful. and he threw his counsel has been engaged with the committee. >> midterm races are heating up as the 2022 elections are now just 23 days away and is shaping up to be potentially one of the most consequential elections in u.s. history. with both chambers of congress up for grabs. earlier today senator bernie sanders was expressing confidence that democrats could come out on top. >> all of this, country the issue is pretty clear. we want to get more tax breaks to the rich, social security medicare and medicaid, or support people who are prepared to stand up for other people? i'm not here to tell you the democrats are perfect. believe, me there are not.

but they virtually all the issues including climate change, it was pretty clear. democrats are far more preferable. >> a new, today the biden administration addressing fears of a recession earlier. the secretary beat pete buttigieg is discussing how they are approaching the threat. >> look it is possible but not inevitable. and we are doing everything we can to strengthen the foundations of the american economy. and that means a lot on the supply side suspending the productive capacity. >> let's begin with those new questions over whether trump will have the subpoenas and how critical timing might be to the matter. joining me from capitol hill my colleague ali raja. allie what can you tell me about that? >> alex i think the answer to some of the questions you posed in your intro there as far as whether the former president will comply with this subpoena is that the interest of that were notably missing in his response to the 14-page letter

in response to the committee's vote to subpoena him in thursday's hearing. i think for so many of us who cover these hearing so extensively, the bigger question is not whether or not he will comply and to testify, but rather, what the committee plans to do if and when he doesn't remember. the committee has the power to have criminal charges refer to the justice department, if people subpoena for testimony to not comply. remember we saw former trump advisor steve bannon and former white house traded visor peter navarro, both people inside former president trump's inner circle. both charged with contempt of congress, when they refused to comply with their subpoenas. bannon as recently as a couple of weeks ago indicted on those charges so that is something that committee members were asked about on the sunday show this morning. what their plans would be if and when trump refused to comply with the subpoena. listen to adam consider here. listen>> that is a bridge we crf we have to get their. we will recognize the fact that

because of the committee only being able to exist until the end of this congressional year because that was the mandates that we are on a bit of a timeline here and as we are wrapping up the investigation we are also pursuing new leads and we want to speak to the president. >> kinzinger are adding that trump can come in and push back in plead the fifth all he wants. the simple requirement of the subpoena would be for trump to appear before the committee. but, alex a tactic that we have seen trump use in so many of these legal challenges is to delay and delay. that is something the committee cannot afford to do because of that type ton timeline that you talked about here. committing to release their final report of their investigation and the findings before the end of the calendar year, when you are truly the plan was to have that released before the midterm elections alex. >> indeed. okay, ali raffa, thank you for. that joining me on the, phone jamal allege ramy, congressional porter and msnbc

contributor. also dennis of, all us committed offense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. welcome to you both. jackie, happy to see the giant porcelain cupcake that you keep on your kitchen counter there but anywhere that's got to the first question with you because as this committee prepares to submit its final report as you heard ali say, by the end of the year, did their final hearing convince the american public that donald trump was behind the attacks on january six? whether not the american people actually hear trump testify to the committee? >> yeah. you know alex is such a good question. we have yet to see the polling after this final hearing but what i do think the committee can successfully achieve was for anyone tuning in for the first time who happen to miss these hearings, the summer series of hearings that went in june through july it sort of providing a foundation and the

entire narrative arc in a comprehensive two and a half hour hearing that they kind of hope they were successfully able to weave in a lot of the new information they obtained as they previously talked about, the committee obtained 1.5 new passes from the department homeland security about communications and microsoft teams and surveillance footage from secret service and they have conducted new interviews with people like ginni thomas, mike pompeo, elaine chao. some of the top players during the trump administration inside and outside of trump's orbit. and they really do try to lay out a roadmap. unclear if that was just meant for the american public or whether it was also intended for the department of justice. but i think whether not the former president testifies today they have been explicit that they believe the former president should be prosecuted

by the doj along with other players who were involved with efforts in the reelection. liz cheney in the end very explicitly said just that. she said they have enough evidence to make multiple criminal referrals. but now we are just waiting to see. other than the former president, are they going to make this criminal referrals? and who else will they make them about? >> well i think there is no reason why simultaneously this could not to appeal not only to the american public but also to the doj. as we continue with their own investigations. so, danny, as we heard congressman kissinger saying this morning, the committee will cross that bridge when they get their. whether they would consider contempt charges for donald trump if he indeed fails to comply with the subpoena. which is expected by many. do you see them issuing a legal challenge to see this through or was the subpoena simply an attempt in a final showstopper of the hearings, an exclamation point? >> this will be ultimately only

symbolic because the reality is that most courts in america today, they filed a motion right now. no longer looking at 30 days just to get a hearing on the motion. as we all know by now, the trump strategy is that once we have the hearing, if you do not like the outcome of the hearing, you appeal. if you do not like the outcome of that appeal, you appeal. again you will peel until you can't appeal anymore. and then you still appeal. that takes time. the committee knows it does not have time. that is why kinzinger and others are going to be very committed in their speech when they talk about, what are you going to do if and when trump does not show up for the subpoena. they are not going to commit too much because they know they cannot commit too much. because i also realize that the defense here being in the trump circle can't buy the software at least long enough that they need to avoid contempt arduous and to avoid any consequences for winning the subpoena. >> let's move to the very latest now on the mar-a-lago documents case.

jacqui, your colleagues at the washington post named walter mondale as the trump aide the told the fbi, he moved boxes at mar-a-lago upon donald trump's direction. well government officials were seeking the return of the sensitive documents. the people familiar with the matter, nbc but it has not intimately confirmed this. jackie, what has your team learned about the movement of these documents? >> my colleague brought the documents there for the story. this wouldn't question walt maada, who originally provided very different testimony to fbi investigators then when he met with them a second time. where the 39 year old who worked as a ballet for trump in the oval office, and now serving as a personal aide at mar-a-lago for the president's private club actually provided critical evidence to investigators. who told him that he did move boxes that the former president

requested, after the former present was told not to touch those dock -- those boxes, and this information is corroborated by the footage that they subpoenaed security footage that the fbi also obtained according to the recording from josh and devlin. but it is just another piece of the puzzle that has been well documented and going on, at the end of the trump administration. when the national archives started trying to recover these documents. but the cases coming into clear light about why the fbi ultimately executed that search warrant. and walt nadia seems to be an important part of that story. >> hey danny, the wall street journal also an important part of the doj investigation. the journal says the doj is interested in hearing from will russell, who arranged

presidential travel for donald trump on questions of whether missing government documents could have been transported to a trump property, other than mar-a-lago. nbc's reach out to all the parties involved with doj and the trump spokesman has declined to comment for the journal. and not to wash it as well. but danny, what with the doj be interested in these two over the movements of documents? >> this is why doj is always going to be better at investigating then say the january six committee. because they will give you some flash to emotional witnesses, but the doj here is doing what they do best. they go to low people on the chain of command and those are people who love careers, have plans for their lives, and are mostly not going to cover-up. they're gonna tell the truth because they are going to say, i was just following orders. and so this is where doj gets a lot of its most valuable information. and the people that news reports are emerging, the doj wants to talk to, appear to fit

the classic mold of doj cooperators. people have made something, wrong mayor some responsibility maybe not. maybe they just saw something bat. but they are more than willing likely to admit that they get themselves in trouble. don't get me wrong, some of them may end of resisting. they are resisting having to come talk. in all likelihood of two huge overcuts a murmur gets their documents, they would wisely tell the truth because ultimately it is their career that they need to protect not the former presidents. >> into. that okay. dennis of all us jacqueline element, thank you so much. talking terms it is 23 days to go and in one key state early voting starts today. plus, it is brand-new. the top ten democratic presidential candidate for 2024 ranked. 202 ranked will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with

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on the rest of the expected serial killer. police say they found the man responsible for seven shooting since april 2021. six of them deadly. let's go to nbc scott cohn once more for scott where people must be feeling incredible relief there, scott. what's the latest from there? >> at least tentatively, alex. a man arrested in the wee hours of yesterday morning is the expected serial killer, if so his name is wesley browning. 44 years. all he is the suspected resident and reportedly has moved around some authorities say he does have a criminal record but they are not saying anything more specifically on that. police say he is the person they described as a person of interest in the grainy surveillance video released a couple of weeks ago. they arrested him, they say, after many tips came in on if the video was released and they say was actually out of the way hours of yesterday morning

trolling for his next victim. they say they were then on his trail and they took him into custody with a firearm. nonetheless police say there are still many many unanswered questions. >> our work is not done, the. this is still a very active investigation. just because unrest was made does not mean that the investigation stops. when you have to have a successful prosecution for our victims and their families. for the last two days i have met with our victims. their families. i can't go into our conversations but our talks were very emotional and they want to bring this person to justice. >> of the six people that were killed, some were homeless, several more hispanic although authorities say they are not yet ready to say that this was some sort of a hate crime. browning is expected to be in court on tuesday afternoon.

between now and then we may learn more as we learn with authorities charged. with >> thank you for that update. appreciate. it meanwhile in raleigh, north carolina, investigators are still trying to determine the motive in thursday's rampage. the suspects accused of killing six people in awe, killing five of them. he's in a hospital for nonspecific injuring is expected to face charges as an adult. since that win a 5 to 3 days ago there had been five more mass shootings. that raises the total number for the year to a staggering 536. let's go now to politics, and all hands on deck. that was the call democrats are sending out just 23 days from the midterms. new today from the white house, president biden will travel to florida in november to campaign with charlie chris who is running for governor. former president obama also announcing plans to campaign for democrats in the battleground states at the end of the month. georgia, michigan, and wisconsin. two of those states held consequential debates this week,

including the senate debate in georgia. between herschel walker and raphael warnock. where they clashed over abortion rights. >> georgia is a state that respects the rights and i will be senator that protects life and i will say that is a life and i'm not backing down. >> i am a pastor. remain a faith. and i have a profound reverence for life in a deep respect for choice. -- >> and the battle over abortion was also a flash point in the wisconsin senate debates. >> senator johnson has sponsored a different abortion bans. he sponsored abortion bans and have no exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother. >> i propose a one time single issue referendum. to decide at what point does society have the responsibility to protect life. >> here to cover, law nbc's national political reporter

sanjay putt, or he's in. atlanta and jonathan alter. guys, thank you so much for being. here are gonna bring with, you so. he'll early voting starts tomorrow in georgia, with the critical races. what could've turnout is expected, and what isn't stored on this final stretch for the campaigns? >> high turnout is expected here, alex. one of the reasons is this is shaping up to be an unusual midterm election, in the both parties are destroying high interest in turning out and voting. usually in past cycles we see that the presidents party tends to get a bit disinterested into des moines mobilized but we are not seeing that with democrats this time around, for a variety of reasons. when the two biggest races on the ballots, on the senate race democratic incumbent raphael warnock is currently leading as a republican cat children formal football star herschel walker by 3 to 5 points in recent surveys. the two men friday in savannah for this shaping up to be there one and only debates of the senate cycle. both different critiques, or other face different critiques

of their performance. warnock was criticizes being somewhat of a seven questions like whether biden should run for reelection. in 2024. and the question of whether to add seats to the supreme court. and walker, for his part, was caught flat-footed on some good questions that have been in georgia, including medicaid expansion. and while his campaign have got to lower expectations by coming into the debate it remains unclear whether the voters in georgia will accept those low expectations for the next senator. we talk to some voters who are wanted to play what they had to say. >> i thought that they tried to tone down mister walker to the best of their ability so that the expectations were not too high hand. i felt that he sort of stumbled a bit and i do think that it is very apparent that the republican party is willing to go to any lengths to get a candidate in their. >> i was like, okay herschel, herschel getting. it i thought was going to be a

blow up with warnock he is a professional preacher. you know? but in herschel's way, he answered honestly is a regular person versus a politician, i think he actually kind of won the debate between those three. >> now they are the big race on the ballot here is the race for governor. that features a rematch of 2018 between now republican incumbent brian kemp and democratic challenger stacey abrams. abrams was according to the protesters of the 2018 democratic candidates clashing came 55,000 votes away from winning but ultimately fell short. abrams historical to recreate the magic of the 2018 election this time around and trails brian kemp by about 5 to 6 points in the polls. these two are going to meet for a debate tomorrow night on monday in atlanta which is shaping up to be quite a crucial debate for stacey abrams if she wants to turn this thing around. >> that makes sense. okay, so. he'll let's bring in jonathan

alter to our conversation. msnbc contributor and author of the substack newsletter old goats. i love that, name. jonathan anyway. about georgia, given all the things that have happened does anybody think that herschel walker has a legitimate chance? >> oh, sure. i mean for warnock to win you have to have quite a number of tickets squares because brian kemp seems pretty comfortably ahead. so you are going to have to have particularly in the atlanta suburbs folks who are going for camp and for warnock to explain their tickets. it is possible that if kemp runs up and they win over stacey abrams he could pull herschel walker in with him. walker's problem is that he does not have any more momentum is actually heading in the wrong direction after what seems pretty obvious where the lies that he told about having not paid for an abortion.

for a brief period a week ago or so he was like well maybe i did do it. and then he retreated to lying in saying he didn't but there is a lot of evidence that he did. they have receipts. this really hurts the walker campaign and he was not doing very well even before that because he does not have really any qualifications. >> jonathan, when you talk about i'm hearing you say it sounds like he could win if ryan kemp does on his coattails but how often does someone go in and vote on the top of the ticket or for one facet of the ticket and just leave the other blink and don't just about down ballots. how often does that happen? not necessarily saying i'm going to vote for warnock in this case and camp but maybe just camp. >> it does happen. i don't think anybody knows exactly how often it happens in

recent races it is just one of the many variables. tickets building in general has been less common than in the past because we live in such a partisan age. but the real question is turn out and whether warnock can cut some of walker's margins in rural counties which walker will carry. but if warnock loses 60 40 or 70 30 in those rural counties that he will win the election. >> so he'll i want to move over to the arizona race, that one for governor. you have keri lake in the latest polling shows that she is narrowly leading. talk about an election deniers this about keri lake having some kind of a particular appeal or as a katie hobbs that is not running the best campaign she possibly could? >> it seems to be a combination of both those things, alex,

according to our reporting. gary, let's remember, was an anchor and the phoenix bracket. the largest media bracket until last year she was the main line for countless arizonans. that is an extraordinary vantage when it comes to name recognition and even carry likes critics assail her as radical and dangerous and election denier, somebody who would forfeit the legitimate results in the next election. even they admit that she's a charismatic candidate and she is a criticism from a number of democratic allies for not being out there are more often and not being willing to debate keri lake. she said she is too easy to debate but will go out there hobbs's allies and show that, for the trees and reasonable, and not give people the opportunity to say katie hobbs, backtracking or potentially hiding. that is one of the reasons that we see caralee joining a little bit of an advantage of up to three points in some recent polls. highly consequential governor's race there in arizona. but alex, i don't want to go back very briefly to your point

about george or ticket splitters. that is a fascinating question here and a reference strategy that we are seeing from stacey abrams and raphael warnock. stacey abrams is emphasizing her progressive credentials, things like racing future pay and childcare. and he'll be organizing and mobilizing her way to victory and were just during enough democrats, specifically enough new black and brown voters, to power away to victory here. and one is taking very different approach and presenting himself as a moderate. trying to have crossover appeal and pointing at the fact that you work to the public incited crews on infrastructure to build highways here in the south. he is trying to win over voters here in his blowing the atlanta metro area. he pretty this trumpublicans and moved away from this as republicans became more party a cultural grievance. there's a difference in the two strategies, and solomon or the donuts can mobilize. >> let me, ask you, jonathan as we play something elections are carried like had to say this this morning i want to get ramped on the other side.

here it is. >> will you accept the results of your election in november? >> i will win the election and i will expect except that result. >> if you lose what you except there is? all >> i'm gonna win the election and i will accept that result. >> she will accept that she wins. when you think about? that >> i think it is dangerous. if it's heavy winds and tails you lose. it is anti-democratic. it is -- i think the president biden talked about 70 fascist he had folks like carey like in mind. the press really should not be covering this as a democrat versus a republican acts as abortion or whatever. if you are not willing to accept the results of an election and you lose, that should be seen in a different frame. and i think that is not happening enough. when she looked for a while like she wasn't going to win

the time there and she immediately rejected even those results inside the republican party and she buys lies that the 2020 election in arizona was rigged remember the audit that was done by right wingers, they do the many months audit. and it turns out that biden did win even according to the right wing. carrie like still will not accept that so she rejects our democracy and voters even if katie hobbs is a lackluster candidate, other surrogates, there are quite a number of republicans were pointing this out, who are for katie hobbs, because they realize that carrie lakes is a dangerous candidate even if they agree with her on some issues. >> okay, couple went on a thing alter. thank you. guys back those phone calls and one of the secret service would have been talking to the oath keepers in 2020 which is

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concerns this weekend of the judge the january six committee revealed the secret service knew of threats more than a week before the january 6th attack. rather, today committee member stephanie murphy gave new insight into what further information they could get on this. >> i was a part of our investigation we looked at all the law enforcement agencies responses to january six. and as you, know they are still going through tens of thousands of documents that the secret service has turned over recently. i look forward to us crawling back in. some of the secret service officials who have knowledge about what happened. and putting them under oath this time. >> joining me now is colored or congressman jason, pro democratic member of the house intelligence armed services and

small business committee. congressman, welcome back to the broadcast. curious about your reaction to these revelations, and how important is it for you to hear directly from the secret service about them? >> hi,. alex it is very -- january six. i knew the police officers who were brutally beaten and had lifetime injuries now some of whom have died during the insurrection and afterwards. this is terrible stuff. we have to make sure can't happen again. that's why a request to the government accountability office report to make sure that we are getting -- on the january six committee is so important. >> that's good. the committees are asked for the secret service records of all communications between the far-right oath keepers group and the secret service agents prior to end on january six. but he comes after the secret

service told committee staff that agent from his protective intelligence division had numerous contacts with oath keepers, we are stewart rhodes and other group members sparked the trump rallies in 2020. but added that is common practice. we've also learned that the fbi was warned after january six at some of the bureau were sympathetic to the rioters. is any of this unusual to you and doesn't impact the credibility of our law enforcement agencies? one thing that jumps at me is why with the owes oath keepers have a single agent cell phone to speak with that person? i understand when you are setting up events and you need to find presidential details, security details, the parameters of what you can work something. but wouldn't there be an office that handles that? well directed to an agent? >> as a result of my request for government accountability office investigation into this, one of the finding was as was that there wasn't communication between lott forsman agencies

so they weren't actually sharing information about the nature of the threat. we are to make sure that is fixed. it's one thing for one lot forsman agency to be collecting information and the corresponding with extremist groups for intelligence gathering purposes but if that is not shared to mitigate the threat it is a problem. the other thing here is that there is a larger than normal percentage of current and former law enforcement and current and former military that were part of that so auction in mind. which raises really concerning questions about the targeting of veterans by these extremist groups for recruitment and how they're trying to ratify some of these folks using various methods. something i've been long concerned about and working on with the intelligence committee members and the armed services committee members in the u.s. congress. >> what about the committee voting to subpoena former president trump? do you agree with and you think it is necessary at this time to get to the bottom of everything?

he could've provided that information appears we're gonna question he would ask of the former president. >> absolutely i agree with it. accountability has to go all the way to the top and i have long said that the president of the united states and donald trump at that time knew what was going to happen even more than that, he cited. it he had to say the insurrection. he would recognize these folks, pointing the direction of the capital, and sat back and enjoyed a scene of violence that ensued. he's a very dangerous person. so i don't want to see the mobility at the very top. there's no we can actually fix this unless there is accountability that level. then regards to, questions there's a lot of questions i would love to ask the committee. but the committee is doing a phenomenal job. under the leadership of betty thompson and liz cheney. they will ask the questions the need to ask. if president trump actually responds and he should respond because there is a large precedent for former president providing testimony to congress it is a point for the checks

and balances of our country. we will see whether or not he does that. >> okay. let's quickly get to the midterms which are 23 days away now. the gop primary challenger of your republican colleague lord beau birx is endorsing her democratic challenger. so figure that. if you do a, paid state senator john caren says that -- his's can consistently voted against what would be beneficial to her district. she and -- the cheese obsolete nothing to do. with how do you think all of it is going to respond to this op-ed? ? >> i'm supporting adam fresh i think you would be a great representative for that district and somebody who, frankly, actually would represent that district. there's a difference in congress that i have seen between those who are engaging and performative politics and theatrical. they are doing it for their own. benefits to raise money. to gain personal fame. and those who are really there

to do the work and get the job done. very clear that -- falls in that first category because it is about her not about the congressional district of colorado. and the third congressional district of colorado, it is over half the state geographically deserves representation is going to make their lives better and they're gonna get it with the democratic challenger adam fresh. >>. all right jason crow it is awfully good to see you. thank you so much for joining we have a good sunday. in the meantime, my next guest says an inflation will be cut in half within the next six months and you are gonna want to stay tuned for the details of this prediction next. of this prediction next. will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. (vo the new iphone 14 pro is here. and right now business owners can get it on us at t-mobile. apple business essentials with apple care+ is included so you can easily manage your team's devices,

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mark, good to see you. this is welcome news. if it pans out. what are the pacific economic indicators telling you in terms of inflation on the horizon? >> well. good to be with, you alex. inflation is high. not really painfully high, over 8% expected to go up for the spring. a number of assumption. . but before parole, consistent -- with prerogative. the pandemic continues to fade away, supply chain having trouble with supply prices moving south moving lower. the fed continues to work hard to slow the rate of -- labor growth and inflation growth, bringing that back end. i'm asked often about this. i think that's the most likely scenario. let me say one of the things. 4% is still too high, we need something closer to an

inflation right we would all feel reasonably comfortable with and that is an inflation rate that they can stop raising rates. that would take longer. the next six months, i think we can get inflation couldn't half moving in the right direction. >> where do you think the fed would paused its rates? when you think will happen? >> they pretty much telegraph they're going to raise rates in november, december, then early next year in january. they'll put the federal funds target as key interest rates that they control four and a half to 43 quarters percent. just for context, it was zero back in the start. -- >> that's huge. yeah. >> if my inflation forecast is roughly right, i think that will be the peak. get four and three quarters percent by early next year. there is a pause, they know the

interest rate hikes were not like to see exactly what kind of impact that has on the economy. >> like a year mark? if you are sick around for about a year? >> you see the maximum impact is about six months after the move, but you still see lingering effects with a year after. the weight, i think they want to stop and take a look around. so what kind of effects the rate hikes have had. i'm hopeful that inflation comes in as i just articulated, they will consider that to be the end of the story. they're not going to lower rates anytime soon, but at least they will stop raising them. with a little luck to the economy, it will be a struggle alex, the economy's will slow down to the point where unemployment can push a bit higher. hopefully we won't go into recession. >> it has been stressed, right? the u.s. economy since the start of the pandemic. that was well over two years ago. how long, mark, do you think it's going to take to regain all that has been lost? will the economy fully come

back to pre-pandemic levels? what is the target if it does? on a timeline? >> i think is going to take another couple of years to get back to something that we feel really good about. to work through this high inflation again will take time, so at least another 12 or 18 months before we get to the other side of this. of course, the pandemic is not over. we took a trip overseas, i go back meza, yesterday was in tokyo fearless last week and if you go there you realize the pandemic is not over. it is still creating a lot of havoc and dislocation their. that comes back on us. >> so, on the travel point there, there's a flipside here because there is a new political headline that suggest that the global economy is in chaos. the imf managing director said this past week, the worst is yet to come. is the worst yet to come before you are light at the end of the tunnel perspective?

>> i think -- it's too strong a word. i think in europe, that economy is likely to go into recession. obviously it is kind of on the economic front lines of what is happening in russia and ukraine. of course, the british footfall put forward policy that made no sense whatsoever had to backtrack. that's going to cause some damage, as well. asia is grappling with the pandemic but making its way through. i think you could navigate through, but in the middle east they are doing pretty well. certainly the entire global economies under a lot of pressure, a lot of stress as you say. part of it are going into recession -- i think chaos is too strong a word. >> okay, well good. come see me again soon and give us your updates, we appreciate you. it is a story that does not pass the smell test, yet amazingly it became a gop talking point. the story behind this wild urban myth.

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>> this whole for a thing -- >> the first sign of the room in the u.s. appears to be this michigan school board meeting last december. >> i heard this one of our schools in our town had one of the unisex bathrooms a little box for the kids identify as cats. >> where was discussed by apparent with that proved in shared on facebook by members of the republican party. referring to ferries, what smoker will people who are interested in our major setup as animals the fall story was sneaking its way across the country. >> they think they are a cat, a cat. they put tails on and they demand they have a little box in the school. >> obviously it is very disruptive to the learning process. >> and last, now into republican sub species. seemingly the latest battle by conservatives of the culture war over gender identity. at least 20 conservative candidates and elected officials made these claims this year about schools placing litter boxes on campus

according to an nbc news review a public statements. >> there are no little boxes in school. >> this is insulting. >> every school district knew by this 20 politicians so that these assertions are untrue. >> this is about stirring up more panic and more fear, than even the trolling of and mocking of this was a way to get the word out about this lie. >> the comments often brought up in conjunction with discussions around students identifying as queer non binary. this is a discussion on the well-being of lgbtq plus youth. >> this is a conversation that many do not know anything about. and putting out headlines so that young people can be clickbait is not how we do this. >> the misinformation is still spreading and falsely fueling the culture wars with less than a month until the midterms. >> of all the schools called

out for having kitty litter, nbc found only one that actually has it on campus. jefferson county hopes that the leader is part of an emergency supply kit in place students are stuck in a classroom too long during a school shooter situation. not the reason politicians are sharing. back to you. >> meow? anyway that will do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'll see you again wednesday 11 am and the next saturday at noon eastern. my friend as many disagreeing continues our coverage. verage omething new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. ♪limu emu & doug♪ it's nice to unwind after a long week of telling people how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. showtime. whoo! i'm on fire tonight. (limu squawks) yes! limu, you're a natural.

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