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included the candidate flashing a badge. >> does that have authority? >> they can call me when they want and i can do things for them. >> the national sheriff's association said quote it's for the trophy case. >> this is not true. >> in kyiv overnight, at least four are dead after russia strikes the capital again with iranian drones. and the prison on fire this weekend as the women's protests spread around the country and former president trump whose own daughter, ivanka, son and law, and grandchildren are observing jews is facing scrutiny today over comments of the jewish community on social media.

good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. early voting begins today in georgia. where residents are deciding between rafael warnock and herschel walker after what was likely their only campaign debate. kristen welker challenged walker on a range of issues including the abortion and domestic violence allegations barely raised at the debate. >> herschel walker providing his most extensive comments about allegations he paid for an exgirlfriend to have an abortion in 2009. >> why not reach out to her and -- >> why should i? why do i need to? >> nbc news has now spoken to her and she provided us with what she says is a copy of a $700 check to pay for the abortion and receipt from the medical center in georgia where she allegations it took place. nbc news is not revealing her

identity or the documents to protect the privacy of all party, but we did show a copy of the check to walker who said the allegation he paid for an abortion isn't true. >> this is still a lie because she's the mother of my child. so you're going to send me a check or somebody giving a check. >> do you know what the $700 check is for? >> i have no idea. >> is that your signature? >> let me see. it could be. doesn't matter whether it's my signature or not. >> when pressed, he said definitively for the first time, the check is his. >> yes, that's my check. >> why should voters believe you? >> because i've been very transparent about everything i've done. >> he's also faced allegations of domestic violence from multiple women, his ex-wife and his son. >> he said i'll quote, you threatened to kill us and had us move over six times in six

months running from your violence. you've said you love your son, christian. just for the voters who want to hear an answer to the allegation about violence. is that true? what should people know? >> i would say i love my son, christian. i love my whole family. i'll always love them and stuff. that's what i'll say to my son, christian and i don't have any violence. >> and kristen, you uncovered so much more during that interview. on policy, on a lot of questions. let's play more of that conversation you had with herschel walker. >> this is from my hometown, johnson county, the sheriff. >> does that have arresting authority or honorary? >> it's honorary, but i can call them and i have authority. >> the national sheriff association said it's quote for

the trophy case. >> that is totally not true. >> so you talked about policy and the badge he's using. >> we spoke for an hour. he did defend the fact he flashed the badge on the debate stage. we talked to the johnson county sheriff who said he gave him the badge as an honorary badge. it allows him to help out with community support. >> hardly makes him a law enforcement officer. >> no, it does not. he said i never said i was a law enforcement officer. he has always maintained he has worked alongside law enforcement in that capacity. we also talked about policy, which was note bl. we talked about his top issue, the economy. it's the top issue for republicans. i asked him what's the first thing he wants to do and he said he wants to work on energy independence. so those are the types of issues

he's focused on in these final days of the campaign. i also asked if he's worried about barack obama coming to campaign with democrats. he said no. he was pretty defiant. he's feeling good in this home stretch. polls show this is a tight race. georgia's really ground zero for whether republicans or democrats are going to win the senate. >> when you drilled down on these other issues, energy independence, did he have a grasp of policy? >> in some instances, he had thought through this quite bit. for example, on the issue of energy independence, he's very firm on the fact that this is his top issue. he also wants to address the issue of crime. i asked how. he's focused on more funding for police departments. beyond that though, he doesn't have a step two and three. i also asked him and i want you to listen to this. i said, look, if you are

elected, you're going to have to work with president biden and democrats. i asked him what's the one thing that president biden has done he agrees with. >> well, let me ask you this question because if you're elected to the u.s. senate, you're going to have to work with president biden and democrats in order to get anything done. >> that's right. >> let me ask you, can you name one thing that president biden has done that you support? >> one thing that he's done that i support. he eat a lot of ice cream. >> now, we went on to have a broader change, which ultimately led to him saying that he does support the fact that president biden wanted b to a unity candidate but feels he's fallen short. but it gives you a sense of how divided our politics are right now. something that walker acknowledges and that type of answer i think fits into this moment, which is very divisive. >> absolutely is. joining us now is former obama white house press secretary,

robert gibbs. boston globe senior writer. kristen stays with us. brendan, a lot of people are criticizing rafael warnock. he was better in a debate that did not have walker face-to-face last night. but for not going after him more and also the format because it seemed when a moderator asks walker after all this controversy over the abortion issue when christian showed him a check and he acknowledged that was indeed his signature, but fact he was given one minute to rebut that from the moderator then warnock didn't follow up. was there a missed opportunity, brendan, do you think from the democratic incumbent senator in that debate? >> well, warnock clearly has a

strategy that he doesn't think he needs to get into the mud on this and that he's hurting walker. in the second debate when walker wasn't there, he thought to bring it up. i think the debate was really good for walker in a few ways. one, he skated on this issue largely that we're discussing, but he also showed up and looked a lot more competent than a lot of people were looking for. now, the bar was low. he has said himself he's not a very smart guy. so a lot of people were looking was he able to get up there sound like he has a basic understanding of the issues we're talking about. he passed that low bar. he also did an effective job in making this an r versus d, blue versus red. painted warnock as a reliable vote for joe biden. a serious person versus an unserious person. that's what walker's problem is. is this person actually fit for office and holding up a badge

certainly doesn't help that. so there's still a lot of questions about that, but i think he passed it. he got a pass on the most troubling allegations, but was able to reset the race to republican versus democrat and hopefully that's enough to push him forward. >> robert gibbs, pick it up from there because he did seem to, if you're a republican voter and you thought this guy doesn't know anything, he doesn't know policy, this was a reassuring debate for him. >> yeah, i agree with everything brendan just said. i think he went into this debate with low expectations and probably exceeded those extraordinarily low expectations and being herschel walker and stature he brings in a place like georgia, he's hoping and their campaign is betting that that's enough. the walker campaign believes they can say joe biden gas prices, grocery prices, economy bad and that will work.

clearly, the warnock campaign went into this thinking they just need to talk about their candidate, talk about reverend warnock and the things he's done. let either the moderators, walker deal with all of herschel walker's problems. let that be a side show and let that sort of transpire and focus on his candidacy himself and we'll see. i think the campaign is making that the other is right and wong and how that works out i think we'll see over the course of the next three weeks. i think some people were surprised warnock wasn't more aggressive. particularly when the moderators didn't pick this up. but again, they may have just decided that in reality, they'll let walker fight herschel walker on that. >> and kim, let's talk about the other big race, the governor's race. because while this walker and warnock race is so tight, single digits according to all polling, you've got a big gap with stacey

abrams having a repeat against brian kemp and why do you think by all reports, abrams has not taken hold of this the way she had in that race a couple of years ago? >> i think like in the other race that the expectations going into this were not equal. you have kemp coming in with the power of the incumbency, essentially and abrams as a challenger in this case, having to prove herself, her worthyness, having to combat an already made messaging attempt by republicans to peg her and message against her and that is has been very difficult. georgia is and remains a difficult state for any democratic including the incumbent in the senate race and we are seeing those headwinds here. republicans are really motivated to hold on to that state knowing how big the stakes are at the state level as well as the

federal level. >> and kristen, there was a "new york times" cnn college poll today showing democrats are really getting back on their heeling what they had expected after dobbs which was this outpouring on abortion has been overtaken by the economy according to most polls. and that they are not seeing the generic ballot advantage they hoped to narrow. >> you're right. i think that's one of the reasons why you have a herschel walker who is feeling emboldened in these closing weeks of the campaign. i walked the football field that bears his name in wrightsville, georgia. he spoke to president trump who called to congratulate him and i asked if trump is going to campaign with him. no plans for that yet. and the fact that president obama is going to be campaigning with democrats and he was quite bullish on that. he said look, i think i can beat

both senator warnock and former president obama. you know, how does that resonate with some voters? does that help him? obviously obama's quite popular with african american voters, independents, some women voters. how will they play for walker with those key con stech wensys. that remains to be seen. >> and robert gibbs, we know president obama is going to go out in michigan, wisconsin and georgia. in georgia, presumably would help to rally that base and get people out because you have less minority voting, less democratic voting and less minority voting in a midterm. >> i think absolutely president obama will be out on the trail to rally the base. we saw former president obama go into georgia at the end of last cycle before a close race to get people excited in wisconsin.

then again in michigan. in a place like georgia, if you can get democrats excited and have just a few republicans looking at the video of kristen's interview or different policy answers in that debate with just a slight number of questions, in a very close race, if a few people don't turn out for walker, that could be the difference. >> and of course, this could be decided in december with a runoff again because it's a three-person race. three candidates in the race. and they have to get, they have to clear 50. brendan, i want to mention a rather surprising poll we saw over the weekend from the des moines register that seven-term republican senator chuck grassley is up just three points over mike franken. what do you think's going on there? >> i wouldn't count grassley out. ever. he's been here in iowa for a long time. i think people are probably starting to question his age a little bit. but i think people know him there. the environment enough should be alone to get him over the top.

interesting poll. i would keep an eye on it, but i would be very, very surprised if chuck grassley doesn't come back. particularly in a situation where the president is such more standing. >> robert gibbs, kimberly, sorry, we need to jump in there. brendan and of course kristen, we'll have a lot more of kristen's interview with herschel walker on "meet the press" now at 4:00 and of course on "nbc nightly news" tonight with lester holt. great to have you here. >> thanks, andrea. remote control war. russian drones slam into targets deep inside ukraine. while moscow scrambling to gather more soldiers to keep the pressure up. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. watching "anl reports" on msnbc. just one dose starts to relieve 9 of your worst cold and flu symptoms, to help take you from 9 to none. for max strength nighttime relief, nyquil severe: ♪♪

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this country. we've talked about the artillery they've been sending, conventional artillery, but a lot of weapons in this country are soviet weapons that ukraine had before and they have fairly large stockpiles of it. it is not as easy for the united states to source and provide those old soviet caliber artillery shells and other weapons and those are some of the most acute needs that the ukrainians are finding. i spoke to one field commander who said there have been battles in which they are in their trenches and the ukrainian troops are under fire and they don't have enough ammunition, enough artillery shells to fire back and he said that is a very unnerving situation to say the least. when they're there, under fire and struggling to defend themselves and to advance because they need the artillery to lay down fire, advance, fire more and advance.

but the new development over the last 24 hours or so has been these drone attacks. these swarm drone attacks because the russians had been using iranian drones for some time but not in this same way. not sending dozens of them to dive bomb into ukrainian cities. to dive bomb into ukraine, into kyiv, or into mykolaiv where i am right now. we heard one of these iranian drones overhead last night not far from where i'm standing right here and it is an unnerving experience. you heard a drone going by at a rapid speed. you hear the buzz, mosquito like, when it goes quiet before it smashes into its target and explodes. so that is the feeling many in ukraine is experiencing right now. at night. these attacks have generally

been at night when they're harder to see these drones, but not only at night. you can sometimes hear them then they'll crash into a target. on the positive side, the drones are small, they don't carry much explosive force, but they are hard to shoot down, the russians have them in great numbers and they can be directed with great precision. what the drone last night targeted was an industrial area and a cooking oil deposit. you don't need a lot of explosive power to blow up fuel tanks holding cooking oil, which is already flammable. it is a new development and something the ukrainians are struggling to deal with. just one interesting number. they shot down 37 of these drones overnight according to ukrainian officials. so when you hear that number, you have to wonder well how many of the drones got through. they're not releasing what kind of accuracy rate they have as far as shooting them down. then the other astonishing

development is what is happening in moscow. even though putin says that now russia is more or less done with its military round up, russian officials say they've managed to draft 200,000 or so of the 300,000 that they initially wanted to conscript in the service. the evidence is that they are still taking people off the streets and giving them draft notifications and telling them to report immediately for service. which is why so many russian young men have been fleeing the country. >> they're in this for the long haul and this is not just going to go to the winter, but through the winter without any chance i'm told of my kind of diplomatic off ramp. thank you so much. and a prison in flames. the outbreak at the prison in tehran and the women's protest. what it means for the regime. you're watching "andrea mitchell

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it was a deadly weekend in evin prison where two americans are still being held.

a massive fire killed eight and injured 60 others. flames lit up the night sky. iran blaming quote thugs for starting the fire. the blaze coming at a time of extraordinary protests across the country with women leading the charge with many taking off their head scarves and cutting their hair. the protests sparked by the death of a woman who was accused of violating the country's strict dress code. joining me now -- and excuse me, senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace where he focuses on iran and u.s. policy, foreign policy, in the middle east. first to you. you live near the prison. tell us about the fortifications around there and do we think

this started inside the prison? >> it's difficult to say, andrea. evin prison is prime real estate in northern tehran and it was initially built for something like 300 prisoners in the 1970s and is now close to 20,000. it's a sprawling complex. i used to live across the street from evin prison and i actually called a friend of mine the night before the fire and asked them to go out on their balcony. i woke them up in the middle of the night. i could hear the entire building chanting death to the dictator. cars honking their horns. it was a very terrifying evening for the families of these political prisoners who were uncertain about the fates of their loved ones. >> and let me ask about this because the women's movement has spread globally now because there's reporting that according to our man in tehran that a

woman athlete for the first time in south korea competing in games has taken off her head covering. this female athlete representing iran at the asian climbing competition finals in seoul, refusing to wear a head scarf. so do you think this is not only spreading around the world, but that this will actually lead to more support from women and women's leaders around the globe? >> exactly. i mean, the sense of the unity that we see not only among iranian, among people around the world across the globe, it's significant. i have to actually tell you that many people who i am touch with saying that we do our best to take back to the streets and now -- international communities for democratic countries to take a strong action. many of them signing petitions saying that we want the western

countries to recall their ambassadors, to kick out the diplomats from the western countries and this is how the west can send the right signal to iran for risking their lives in the streets. >> and kareem, on podcast america, we have the audio of president obama i think this was on friday. saying it was a mistake for the united states when he was president not to support the green revolution in 2009 and thinking back then we understand from other advisers was that that might lead the atolla to say it was american sponsored. already we've seen that joe biden said this weekend. let's play the sound of barack

obama. >> in retrospect, i think that was a mistake. every time we see a flash, a glimmer of hope, of people longing for freedom, i think we have to point it out. we have to shine a spotlight on it. we have to express some solidarity about it. >> would it have made a difference if the united states had shown leadership on this issue in 2009? >> you know, this counterfactuals are always impossible to predict, andrea, but i would say what's important was that jake sullivan was then an aide to secretary of state hillary clinton. i think his takeaway from 2009 was that whether america does zero out of ten to help protesters in iran or ten out of ten, the regime in tehran is always going to label these

protesters as american and israeli lackys and it behooves the united states to do everything to try to help the cause of representative government in iran because this is perhaps one of the most anti-american regimes in the world and it would be a positive geopolitical game changer for the united states. >> do you want to weigh in on this? >> yeah, exactly. right now, president zelenskyy announced the iranian regime providing drones to attack ukrainians, innocent people. this is act of war, but you see putin, china, they are more united than democratic countries. pro democracy countries, they have to stick with their own values. as kareem mentioned, whether they help or support iranian, pro democracy, pro freedom fighters or not, they're going to label america so it's better for american government, the western countries to support democracy not against autocracy.

i strongly believe that a world without islamic republic would be a much safer place for everyone. not only iranian. >> and kareem, one quick point here is that it's very clear that the jcpoa, the nuclear deal, is dead. they were holding out hope. maybe they could negotiate something. there's no way given that the iranian drones siding with russia against ukraine, you know. there's just no way at this stage and of course, repressing their own people that they could enter any kind of deal that they could lift sanctions and give them billions of dollars. >> i think that's true for the foreseeable future. there was a debate if iran got desperate enough to come back and say to the united states that deal you offered us three months ago, we'll take it now, i think the administration was divided. but the facts on the ground in tehran have probably convinced the president that at this time,

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added u.s. jews have to get their act together and appreciate what we've done in israel before it's too late. with me now -- welcome, both. ashley, donald trump is insisting that american jews have dual loyalty and expressed similar sentiments throughout his presidency. is that any indication or is there any indication as to say what provoked sunday's post? >> it's unclear what precisely to me provoked sunday's post but there has been this sense and this is not the first time that former president trump has sort of leaned into this problematic antisemitic trope that american jews have sort of more loyalty to israel than to the united states. so this has been sort of a common problem or a common controversy throughout his presidency. in fact, even going back to some incidents that happened when he was running for the presidency

as early as 2015. >> and jonathan, before it's too late, it's extremely threatening. you've called this threatening and disgusting. what makes this so worrisome? >> it's a great question. we have to pull the lens back a bit more. the context, andrea, is these are dangerous comments at a dangerous time. we have christian nationalists running for office all over the united states. we have a governor of pennsylvania running against the jewish candidate who regularly refers to him, elitist, different from all of us, et cetera. we have kanye west, one of the most popular entertainers in the country, bemoaning jewish zionists and threatening to go def com three against the jewish

people, whatever that means. we have students with antisemitic graffiti then into this mess comes donald trump and as ashley said, he has you know been invoking antisemitic tropes for years about jewish power, about jewish greed, about dual loyalty. now he adds fuel to the fire at a time when jews literally feel threatened because the threats are so high with this. we called it cryptic in the opening but let's just call it what it is. antisemitic, anti jewish and hateful. underline period. >> ashley, in that republican gubernatorial race, the candidate, doug mast ran o in pennsylvania, had initially hired from one of the most toxic antisemitic websites, gab, hired the head of the website as

campaign consultant until rachel maddow called him out on it. here's how his democratic opponent reacted when i asked him about that on friday. >> he has made clear that unless you think like him, unless you look like him, unless you worship like him, marry like him, then you don't count in his pennsylvania. he is extremely dangerous. >> maybe he separated himself from that website, but he's going out and criticizing shah for sending his children to schools. >> i think you have to pull the lens back here and start with a tone set from the top. that would be the tone that former president trump set as early as when he was running for

president. not just again leaning into antisemitic tropes, but problematic racist tropes and of course saying there's good people on both sides when it came to charlottesville, from not really forcefully condemning groups like the proud boys. so all of this, it's not just a dog whistle. it's far louder. all of this emboldens this behavior. it moves from the fringes where it's quite unacceptable and more into the mainstream. again, when you have the most high profile leader, not just of the party, but when he was president, leader of the country, winking and nodding at this behavior, it's not surprising that you would see it trickle down to the state level where someone would feel comfortable hiring someone who worked for a website as you just outlined. >> exactly. jonathan as you mentioned, trump supporter kanye west is buying

parler now. twitter locked him out when he said he would go to def com three on jewish followers. what happens with him now buying another social network? >> you didn't see much condemnation of this from republicans, from major celebrities. there's a handful of people, you could count them almost on one hand from public life who stood up and spoke out. really not nearly enough. so look, if kanye wants to buy parler, i say good luck to him. it has about a million monthly users. to call it small is an understatement and it's not a haven for free speech. it's a haven for hate speech. much like gab that you mentioned before or any of the others. it's just irrelevant to the conversation, but what is

relevant is in a few days, we'll be remembering the fourth anniversary of the most violent antisemitic attack in american history. the massacre in pittsburgh. in this moment, it shouldn't be too hard to ask former president, to ask public figures, to ask people of faith, and americans regardless of how they vote, to speak up against antisemitism. whether it's on these fringe websites, on a college campus, in a voting booth, it has no place in public life. >> jonathan greenblatt, ashley parker, thanks to both of you. coming up, room service. new documents released showing how much extra the secret service paid trump owned properties in the investigation. coming up. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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some as high as $1,100 for a single night. accommodations were used for the first family's security detail at the trump international hotel in d.c. and at mar-a-lago. there are also bills topping $18,000 for the stays at his golf club in new jersey. the chair of the house oversight committee has been digging. congresswoman, what have you found? >> well, first, we have been conducting this investigation for two years. we got very few documents from the previous administration. we have gotten more from the biden administration. we are getting a fuller extent of the abuse. we documented $1.4 million going to trump lodgings. and we found that they charged excessive amounts of money to the federal government, well over $11,000 in many cases.

they had to seek a variance when they were doing it. they sought variances 40 different times for trump-owned properties. and it shows a serious conflict of interest and abuse of taxpayer money. why should the taxpayers be paid five times. they could go to a peer deem hotel. another thing that is bothering me about this, andrea, is that they have there is a lot of lying. the trump family and organization said we are saving taxpayer dollars. it's so much cheap tore stay at trump properties because we're charging less. the documents tell a different story. that's why i love my job and why we are seeking more documents to get a full accounting. >> now, let me just, you know, play devil's advocate because these are all luxury hotel. i know it's way over the government per diem, but is this what the government hotels would charge the average person?

>> these are expensive hotels. they would charge a lot of money, i assume. but they could have stayed someplace where a per diem could have covered it. obviously, in washington, d.c. they didn't have to be staying at the washington trump-owned hotel. 150 times they were charged excessive fees at mar-a-lago. another trump property. so we are looking at the full extent of this. and we're not finished yet. we want to know the total amount spent. we don't know the amount of foreign money spent in these hotels. so this is an ongoing investigation. >> and of course the secret service may still be doing this. he is out of office, but they are still protecting him. >> that's true. they're still charging excessive amounts. and the trump organization, the former president, they determine what they charge.

they don't have to charge excessive rates. they could charge the per diem amount, which is what they say publicly that they're doing, when they're not >> what's the next step? >> we're getting more documents. we're continuing this investigation and others to see if there was abuse of taxpayer money. >> what about when the former president is traveling around the world? . >> well, we're looking at that too. they spend there. but we're focusing on domestic spending. we are getting a hard time getting the documents from president trump. we are now getting them from president biden. we will have a better picture in a couple of months. >> and when you look at this at the expense of all the protective details, all former presidents, is there an issue where we should be looking -- you know, i did say story many,

many years ago on what former presidents were spending. now we have more. but the bill for all of this security must be stupendous. >> well, we need to rely on the professionals in the protective industry on how much -- we should protect our former presidents. first and pore most, we're supposed to protect our people and the president and his family. that is a priority of our government, to protect our people, particularly the president. it is an expense. but you don't have to pay five times the going rate. and that happened many times. and we are looking to see how we prevent these types of abuses in the future. and the only way we can do that is by getting a complete and total review of what happened. and these documents that we have gotten so far are only the tip

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