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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> will you accept the results of your election in november? >> i'm going to win the election and i will accept that result. i if you lose, will you accept that? >> i'm going to win the election and i will accept that result. >> arizona's kari lake is one of hundreds of republican election deniers on the ballot this fall, which is why this election and more importantly the day after the election are so incredibly important. >> plus, congressman eric swalwell jones me with an exclusive sneak peek at a chilling new ad depicting the awful possibilities of a post-roe america. >> and later, the origin of the once broadly inspiring word woke and how it's been co-opted by the right to be used as an epithet. we begin with three weeks to go until the midterm elections on november 8th. but it's the day after the election that i want you to focus on. just imagine, imagine waking up

on november 9th and not knowing which party will control the house or the senate or some key state offices. imagine it taking weeks to finish counting all the absentee and military votes in states like california where it literally does take weeks. so what we think is the result on election night changes just like in 2020. or imagine there are lawsuits by the declared losers or fake audits, with lots of results in limbo. the delayed tallies actually are not unusual at all. they are literally how elections work. but these are anything but usual times. because donald trump is now the model for how lots of republican candidates are likely to respond. in 2020, trump's relentless claims the election was stolen took our democracy to the brink, and now a majority of republican candidates on the ballot, nearly 300 of them, echo the big lie. how are they going to respond if it takes a while to count the votes? in 2020, you had people who threatened election workers as

ballots were being counted and there were already threats against election workers going into this election, to the point where precincts are equipped to panic buttons for poll workers to use. what happened if some of these republican candidates lose. we got a preview from blake masters who is claiming in advance the election will be stolen because the state is using the same voting machines as 2020. also in arizona, the republican gubernatorial candidate kari lake said the only way she'll accept the results of the election is if she wins which is what trump said in 2020. and they're not alone. last months, "the washington post" questioned 19 republican candidates in key battleground states, and a dozen of them declined to answer or refused to commit to accepting the results. we have all seen what happened when donald trump defied reality in 2020. what could happen if these candidates refuse to concede in races all across this country? right now in the nation'

capital, five members of the oath keepers are on trial for seditious conspiracy tied to their role in the january 6th attack, which again, was a physical war waged against the facts of trump losing the election. the oath keepers along with other extremist groups like the proud boys and the three percenters have members throughout the country standing back and standing by. awaiting their next orders to be posted on truth social or eightchan or gab. our democracy is still in critical condition from the last election. the question is, can it survive another round of attacks? i'm joined by barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and law professor. and tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark. i want to read a "new york times" headline, barb, and get your take on it. in the two years since 2020, groups of right wing activists have banded together, spreading false claims of widespread election fraud or misconduct. now, those activists are inserting themselves in the vote count with a broad and

aggressive effort to monitor voting in search of evidence that confirms their theories. many activists have been mobilized by some of the same people who tried to overturn trump's election in 2020. groups like truth social that are like, we want to make voting feel like you're being followed by the police. you have ron desantis activating the nation's only election police and already bragging about arresting people. these vibes to me, barb, feel like they're setting up to do what trump did but literally nationwide. how concerned are you about the same kind of threat? >> i'm very concerned, joy. i'm concerned about the lack of legitimacy after the election and i'm also concerned about the effect this kind of behavior can have on voter turnout. it could indeed suppress the voter turnout if you are fearful that there is an election police that's going to be at your polling place. you may choose to stay home. or it could cause just the kind of cynicism of people not knowing what to believe.

these elections are rigged or they're not going to be fair anyway. so people might just stay home and not come out and vote. so all of those scenarios are very bad for democracy. so i think it's very concerning. and it is a state of where we have come in america that if you don't like the outcome of an election, then just lie about it and say that you won. it's a terrible thing for our country that believes in self-government. >> and tim, it's interesting. i think you can go back to 2000, you know, and there were a lot of people who said not my president about george w. bush after he, you know, lost the popular vote and won the election. our system builds in this possibility that you can lose the popular vote and still be elected. which is itself problematic for continuing people's faith in democracy. but in the last 20 years, you have gone from that, and people questioning the results in 2000, to people literally saying, joe biden is a hologram. he's not really the president. he's propped up in the basement of the white house.

trump is really the president, and literally willing to fight and kill to establish that as the real facts when that's the facts in their head. i wonder if you as somebody who used to be about reforming the republican party, are you concerned? because i honestly cannot envision any of these republicans doing a speech like john mccain did when he lost to barack obama. >> yeah, or al gore in 2000. >> yes. >> i think about those sore loser bumper stickers that used to be on gore/lieberman. that was like republicans back then lib owning, dunking on the democrats. oh, you're such sore losers. in reality, compared to what is happening now, you couldn't have lost in a more dignified manner than al gore did in 2000, an actual close election. donald trump got killed. there were four states that needed to flip for donald trump. it wasn't a particularly close

election. yet still, we saw what we saw on january 6th. so look, i do think the difference between then and now is extremely dramatic. and i'm concerned. i think there's certain places where republicans will talk a big game. we saw this with larry elder in california last year. he talked a big game about not accepting the results and he didn't follow through. not everybody is demented as strump and being able to pull off something like this. but i do worry about certain places in particular. you just showed arizona is a prime spot. kari lake does seem like she has the trumpian ability to just deny reality and be forceful about it. and you know, we saw -- i worry not just about the turnout like barb says, but about the safety of election workers in places like arizona where these kind of threats are already happening in the lead-up to the election. i think we probably will not know on election night, at least two or three important arizona elections. senate, governor, and secretary of state. then we will have this period like we did in 2020 of a couple

of days where things will be unknown. you can imagine mobs assembling outside of voting places where they're doing the counting or the recounting taking in the absentee ballots. i think that's something to be concerned about. and the fact that no one is speaking up about kari lake and even the good republican glenn youngkin is campaigning for her this week. nobody even back in the trump era, there were a handful saying no, this is wrong. no one is saying that now. that's a very bad trajectory. >> and glenn youngkin is like a book banner. i don't even know if he's a good republican. on that point, the great steve kornacki, when we sit and talk about sort of what's going to happen, he's the guy who sort of explains the mechanics of these things. california is a slow counting state. so we literally might go into election night not knowing who is going to, for instance, control the house, because there are so many congressional seats in california. let's say they take a long time to count them. you could think one thing on election night about who's going

to control the senate. let's say it looks like the republicans are going to assume control, and two weeks later, when california finishes counting all its ballots, the democrats control the house. there's nothing illegal or nefarious about that, because that's just actually the time it takes to count votes. but you have a whole slate in arizona, a whole slate of them, who are all running as election deniers together as a ticket. you have people like masters, and you have people like mastriano in pennsylvania, who are all primed to take that scenario, which is literally the scenario that trump faced, and say see that, democracy is a lie. this election was a lie. we won. and then how do you stop mini insurrections across the country? we already saw people get close to violent in arizona last time. this is what i worry about. is that it will get violent in multiple states at the same time. are you worried about that? >> i am, joy. and it's very destabilizing for not only our democracy but our national security. you know, we're held up as a

beacon around the world as a model for democracy. and when our elections become dysfunctional, other nations point to that and mock us and it makes it harder for us to spread democracy around the world. if we had responsible leadership, leaders would be saying now, look, we have to be patient. it may take a while for election results to come in. it's different from the way it used to be. yes, it used to be we knew on election night. that's because we did a lot less voting by mail and allowing more access to polling places. this is the new reality and it's good for democracy. it just takes a little longer to know the results. instead, we have people saying just the opposite. we were leading early and then suddenly it flipped, very suspiciously. there's a reason for that. where but that's the message they're exploiting to seize power and sow chaos. there will be those who say an election was stolen even if they don't believe it because they want to cling to power and grab

power, and there are people who will believe them and help them to make it so. >> and the thing about it is, tim, i worked on campaigns, and i remember working on the '04 campaign, which i left the news and went into politics because i was so anti the iraq war. when bush won in '04, it was devastating for me personally. i really believed the iraq war was wrong. in the end, what i said to myself and to the people who were around me in that campaign was, this country is strong enough to survive anything, including george w. bush. and if you stop believing that the country is strong enough to survive the candidate you didn't want to be president being president, or the person you didn't want to be, it does mean you don't at the end believe in democracy at end. i guess what worries me the most is inindifference of so many people to whether we're a democracy. they would rather have their way than have a democracy. i'm worried about what percentage of people feel that way. are you? >> for sure. you know, i was in arizona as a

guest host for the circus on showtime and we were interviewing people. this is what you see on the ground at these events. they do not trust the democracy is working anymore. they do not trust the results. and they do not think democrats are legitimate at all. and sure, look, there are people in 2004 that had conspiracy theories about the machines or whatever, but what the difference was was that those were passionate individuals whose passions were tempered by leaders who did the right thing and said we need to move forward. we need to concede responsibly. as john kerry did. we don't have -- there's this vacuum of leadership on the right now, so those crazy theories can bubble up and compound and they're stoking the conspiracies. i think there certain things we should all do as part of the pro-democracy movement to make reforms to count quicker. we should be counting absentee votes before election day, and the are things we can try to

safeguard that, but even if we make the changes, if there are bad actors delegitimizing the other party, that's a little out of our hands and that's deeply concerning. >> yeah, absolutely. if your theory is, it's only a legitimate election if i win, but if i lose, it's illegitimate, but if i win, the exact same systems and machines mean they were fine, that's not democracy. that's you being a toddler. a dangerous toddler. barbara and tim, thank you both very much. >> up next on "the reidout," a contentious debate season produces a cornucopia of memorable moments including a rant from the right's qanon queen and minister of disinformation, congressman marjorie taylor greene. "the reidout" continues after this. in a recent clinical study, patients using salonpas patch reported reductions in pain severity, using less or a lot less oral pain medicines.

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. this is from my hometown. this is from johnson county, from the sheriff of johnson county, which is a legit badge. >> is it an honorary badge? >> it is an honorary badge but they can call me wefrb they want me and i have the authorities to work with them on things. >> the national sheriff's associate said an honorary badge is, quote, for the trophy case. why make the decision to flash it at a debate. >> that's not true. >> the republican candidate for the u.s. senate is herschel

walker in his exclusive interview with kristen welker, defended flashes a face police badge in friday's debate with raphael warnock after he called him out for lying about being a mecof law enforcement. walker acknowledged he gave a $700 check to his ex-partner but denied her allegation he knew it was for an abortion, despite sending a get well soon card with it. as walker seems to dig himself into a deeper and deeper poll, polls suggesting the race is close. you may be thinking how is that possible? well, part of it is because republicans just desperately want the senate seat and they don't care whose behind is in it. they don't care that walker has been accused of pointing a gun to his ex-wife's head, paying for an abortion, which by the way in the minds of his own party counts as murder, just as long as he votes the way donald trump and mitch mcconnell want him do. and there's more, walker is the

embodiment of what republicans think a black candidate should be. compliant. according to a usa today columnist, quote, for some republicans, any warm body that can be used as a pawn is sufficient. the fact herschel walker happens to be black is an irony too delicious to resist for voters who have chosen to rally behind one of the most unqualified candidates in recent history. joining me is cornell belcher. let me read more of the column. walker's candidates is not problematic because of the obvious political strategy to split black voters. he's problematic because he's a perfect caricature of every negative stereotype the black community has fought against for decades. competent conservative black republicans exist. so there was no need to settle for an incompetent one unless part of the goal was the extra dig of embarrassing the black community. and i was on with my friend alex wagner last week, and this was the conversation we were having. i genuinely believe that part of the reason that republicans,

right wing maga republicans like walker, is he's a walking black stereotype. doesn't take care of his kids, sexually prolific, not responsible, a liar, but also athletic and compliant. your thoughts. >> well, i saw -- i watched you and thought you were very good, and quite frankly, i don't know how i follow that up, but i will say this. it is, you know, we have seen this in data before. it is where, you know, those who are the most racial averse in the electorate, the ideal of them voting for a walker, it gives them some place soft to land. it inoculates and takes some of the -- and makes them seem, you know, not bigoted or racist because i'm voting for walker. never mind the fact that he is almost everything he stands for is against the interests of -- against the political agenda of african americans.

it does give them some place nice to land and sort of assuages them of the racial aversion that they have. so for a lot of reasons he's important in that sort of psychological way. but you know, to go deeper, which i never sort of go down this track, but joy, stay with me here. he reminds me so much of the character, samuel jackson's character in django, and understand for so much of america, especially in the south, the beauty of that character was explaining to america is look, slavery and this sort of oppression of black people does not happen without samuel jackson's character there beside that white guy. beside him, and many ways, guiding him and leading him. and it just doesn't happen. so in lots of ways herschel walker does remind me of samuel

jackson's character in django. you know, there beside the white slave master giving him comfort and counsel. >> and the thing is, i think about this. there's a piece that talks about how this is emblematic of the republican party's fall itself. like so many who now represent the republican party, walker displays not just a lack of interest in serious ideas, but a contempt for them. benightedness is chic. the republican party didn't wite a platform for its convention in 2020. why should it have? it's a former statement of the policy goals the party is committed to. when they're a party of opportunity, it becomes extraneous. i think of tim scott in south carolina. republicans like him because he's a tea partier, but when he tried one time to embody actual power and pass a police reform bill, he helped with cory booker, he sat down to negotiate the bill. who undercut him and pulled the

rug out from under him? his fellow senator from south carolina, lindsey graham. knifed him. went to the sheriffs and got that bill destroyed. because the thing is, it's fine for him to get up and smile and say, my family went from the fields to the senate. and wave nicely at the republican party. but even he, as somebody who is supposed to be an insider, is not allowed to wield power. they love clarence thomas, but it's only as clarence thomas is literally attacking the interests of black people. that makes him more popular. the more -- if he were to suddenly kind of try to represent a bit the interests of black people, you know what, you're now no longer in. you know, and i feel like there is sort of a demonstration of wanting to attack communities of color but needing a person that seems to be from the community to do it. >> and that's where the herschel walkers come in. to your point about politics, policy, and power, you know, my father had a saying.

i'm from the south. my father always had a saying. he didn't originate the saying, but it was true. in the south, in particular, blacks and whites could always get along. blacks and whites always found a way to get along because they had to. such close proximity. blacks just couldn't have power. >> that's right. that's right. >> but blacks just can't have power. the moment you try to have power, then it becomes problematic. and i think you see that unfolding right now across the country with those two examples you pointed out. >> let's go to marjorie taylor greene. another georgia candidate who has embodied straight up racist ideas, bananas, bizarre ideas, anti-semitic ideas. she wraps it all into one weirdo package. and yet she is essentially announced, to me, she's the marine le pen of american politics. she will have power if kevin mccarthy becomes speaker. she said he has to give her power. she suddenly becomes one of the most powerful republicans in the

country if republicans take the house, no? >> she does. and this is the frustration that i think a lot of us have. is that when you uncover what she's about and what so many of quite frankly the republicans who will come into power if they take back the house embody and embolden, it's scary stuff. and so while we are fixated on the price of gas, which is a problem, right, joy, i hope at some point we don't look back, especially, you know, you look back at your granddaughter and they say, what happened? what is this america that we live in? people will go, well, you know, gas prices were really high so we weren't paying attention to authoritarianism and sort of sexism and bigotry, because we were focused on gas prices. there's polling out right now that says, you know, i don't always agree with some of it but

says right now, the economy is such a huge issue, it's pushing down other issues. so we may have an election that is simply about the economy. and in doing so, probably lose our democracy. >> and then people will be shocked that, you know, suddenly their abortion rights are gone nationally and they'll say what happened. if you think republicans have a cure for high gas prices or inflation, i have a bridge to sell you in cleveland. they don't. you're literally short-sighted and that how georgia goes from a state that's too busy to hate and has tyler perry making it a new hollywood, to becoming a state where abortion is illegal and marjorie taylor greene and herschel walker are the representatives of the great state of georgia. how pathetic would that be? cornell belcher, i won't put that on you. >> coming up next, a quick reminder. before i get to that, early voting starts today in georgia. today, today, today.

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with the midterm elections just over three weeks away, a cruel reminder the right of half the population to legally control their own bodies and reproduction is on the ballot. buzzfeed reports a middle school aged incest victim in florida was unable to obtain an abortion there because she was beyond the state's 15-week limit. the child had to travel at least two, three states away to terminate the pregnancy, according to planned parenthood, as neighboring states have almost or completely banned abortion. a reminder in april, florida governor ron desantis signed into law the 15-week ban which forced the child to travel out of state to seek medical care. the law and the not so free state of florida makes no exceptions for cases of rape, incest, or human trafficking. brand-new digital ad from congressman eric swalwell debuting right here on "the reidout" presents one possible chilling outcome of our post-roe

future. >> you're weird. >> he is weird. >> gross. >> mary anderson. >> yes. >> i have a warrant for your arrest. >> arrest for what? >> penal code 243 violation. unlawful termination of a pregnancy. >> you got to be kidding me. >> that is my personal business. >> that's for the courts to decide, ma'am. your medical records have been subpoenaed and the doctor is already in custody. >> no. my god, you can't just -- >> we will have to submit to a physical examination. >> what? by who? >> no one is touching my wife. >> get back. >> turn around. put your hands behind your back. now. >> why is this happening? >> love you, honey bear.

>> we're just enforcing the law here. >> elections have consequences. vote democrat on november 8th. stop republicans from criminalizing abortion everywhere. protect women's rights and freedom. >> please don't do this. please. >> under his eye. joining me now is congressman eric swalwell, the democrat from california behind that new ad. it's a chilling ad. this is only the second time i have watched it, and it makes my heart race every time i watch it. tell me about the origins of this ad and why you think it's important to run something like this in this election cycle. >> yeah, thank you, joy. it is chilling. and as a former prosecutor, when i looked at the republicans' abortion laws, criminalizing abortion, mandating pregnancy, i thought through what is this going to look like as it plays out across america.

and it's that scene right there. because many families who make this decision are in fact families. they already have children. and i wanted that to be a part of the narrative. but also, the husband stepping in, as any partner, husband, spouse, boyfriend would do if the police were trying to take away their spouse because of a new abortion law. and also, the police. i wanted it to be clear that no police officer wants to be in this position. and for the officer to say, ma'am, we're just doing our job, that's the horrible position we're going to put law enforcement in. i wish this was an exaggeration, but this is going to be the new reality in maga america if we do not win the midterms in both the house and senate. >> you know, and the thing about it is, we already, when we talk about police reform, part of the issue is overpolicing. police are being asked to come in and police things like somebody's tag that's weird on their car that isn't correct on their car or, you know, things

that have really nothing to do with serious law breaking, and so they're constantly in the community, and this mainly pertained to people of color, but now women are in the same position. i want to give you examples here. in texas, this is now, before republicans get full control. text and web searches about abortion have already been used to prosecute women. in texas, the district attorney has dropped a case against a woman who was initially charged with murder. nebraska police used facebook messages to investigate an alleged abortion. bloomberg reports more miscarriages and stillbirths await women and in the state of florida, schools are asking student athletes to report their menstrual histories. they're doing this to try to stop trans girls from playing sports, but that means the school, meaning the government, the local government, will have information on teenagers' menstrual cycles in the state of florida. as somebody who is a former prosecutor, talk about that a

little more. dig more into the position that puts police in where they're essentially having to accost women and teenage girls and the position that it puts the family members and these teenagers and women in. >> and i'll talk about it even more personal terms. my two brothers are patrol police officers. my father was a police officer. and most police officers in america, i really believe, want to go after violent crime. they don't want politicians and the government telling them that you now have to go knock on the door of a family and haul away someone who made this very personal decision. and by the way, joy, we are a country that has chosen unwisely to arm most americans to the teeth. so imagine the combustible environment we have with police officers going door to door to take women who make this decision and knowing that we have so many firearms in america. this is not safe for police officers. it's certainly unfair for women who made this decision, and it in a maga controlled house and

senate, could be the new reality. not just in arizona and texas and florida, but every state in the union. >> yeah, and i was talking about overpolicing. they're also overpolicing things like somebody smoking weed. now police have to essentially go after women for getting their own health care, and anyone who helps them, uber drivers, husbands, et cetera. i want to talk about the states where they're really pushing this. michigan, a political headline, michigan could soon become texas. there's a ballot initiative on the ballot that would put the right to abortion in the state constitution. the law that it would repeal was written in 1931. women barely had the right to vote in this country. what do you make of this aggression in red states to go back to in some cases 19th century law or early 20th century law? >> i think it's also clear, joy, that it's not about, quote, life. it's about control. it's about controlling women and it's also about controlling

families because we saw over the weekend that one senate candidate said that of course we should go after ivf as well. you know, it's not just that they don't want women to make this decision. they want you to make the decision in the way that they would make it themselves and completely take family planning away from every family in america. and we know that this is what they're going to do because doug mastriano said he believes it would be murder. we see other candidates across the country saying the same thing. so abortion is on the ballot. it's on the ballot in california. proposition one, to codify it, also in michigan. high hope is it brings out men and women up and down the ballot to make sure that this reproductive right is protected. >> mar marjorie taylor has said would have to get power if kevin mccarthy becomes speaker. you know kevin mccarthy. is there any chance that he would be able to resist a demand from the maga and the qanon part

of his caucus, which let's face it, is the majority of his caucus, to put a national abortion ban on the floor? would he have the moral strength or the political strength to resist doing that? >> kevin mccarthy is a vessel state to the maga nation. he will go exactly where they take him. we can't count on him one bit to be a guardrail for women's reproductive rights. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much. i really appreciate you being here tonight. thank you for uplifting this scary issue. thank you. up next, how the word woke went from an inspirational metaphor to a right wing insult. and how the likes of kanye west and his pal candice have turned themselves into avatars of the anti-woke movement. we'll be right back. don't mind me. i'm just the flu. i'm quite harmless, really. and when people ask,

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orleans. >> george bush doesn't care about black people. >> remember that kanye west? who by the way, had just dropped his second studio album, late registration, exploring social issues and cementing his fame. he basically called the u.s. president indifferent to the suffering of black folks during a live tv fund-raiser, that's about as woke as it gets. but that kanye doesn't exist anymore. today, we have ye. a darling of the far fascist right, a black pop culture icon in a maga hat, chilling with white replacement theory proponent tucker carlson, chummy with trump, and cosigning all the rotten things they believe. he's now buying the right-wing social media platform parler since he got kicked off twitter. lee went after jewish people in a string of online attacks suggesting sean diddy combs is controlled by jewish people, saying slavery was a choice, and george floyd didn't die from

police officers holding him down and compressing his chest with a knee. no, no, but rather from fentanyl, another right-wing conspiracy theory. and let's not forget his grifty white lives matter apparel he debuted in a fashion week stunt alongside fellow sunking place resident candice whatever her name is. kanye now embodies the anti-woke movement devolving into everything he once fought against. which is all to say, ye doesn't care about black people. joining me now is michael harriet, contributor at the grillo and author of black af history, the unwhite washed story of america which is out in january. i cannot wait to get my copy. i remember texting you about this and asking if you were available to talk about this. i'm so glad you are, because i need people to understand where the term woke actually came from. so the floor is yours, my friend. >> right, so the first time we have any documented proof is in a recording that's in the library of congress by a blews

musician named ledbelly led better. he wrote a song about the scottsboro boys, four black men accused of raping a white woman, falsely accused, in 1920. at the end of the song, he said if you're going through alabama, you better watch out for the white folks. stay woke. and from then on, it became kind of a saying amongst black people. we see it in the 1940s with the united mine coal workers in west virginia who were fighting to get equal pay, and they said they might try to starve us out and keep us it's been a common scene, until you know, why people discovered it a few years ago. i like i always like to make that joke that before -- before black people started listening to podcasts, i actually had a

podcast called the state woke show. and the host called me what they had said, we're not gonna change the name, because white people discovered, you know, what woke means so, it has always been a term that signaled to black people amongst each other that we have to watch out for the things that could harm us. and since it became, you know, since it leaked into the mainstream, it's been weaponized, just the same way as, you know, black power has been weaponized, and the civil rights movement was weaponized, whatever movement you come up with, freedom of justice, as always gonna be weaponized. so, it's nothing new, but you know, the idea that it's being weaponized by one, by someone who we gave power and popularity, it's kind of new. >> well, i mean, the thing is that, to me, wokeness became dangerous for white supremacists, when white gets adopted it after george floyd. i mean, during the pandemic,

when you had white kids finally riyadh citing, and protesting against police brutality, it was white kids doing that, and declaring themselves to be woke, and saying you know what? i want to be aware of racism. i want to be aware of, you know, the dark past in this history, in the history of this country. that's what picked out people like ron desantis, oh, no, you can't learn anything about black history. that's anti white. you don't have people like marjorie taylor greene, calling, just teaching about black history, anti white racism, it's not become super mainstream. and you are right. the thing i think that is good for a lot of black folks, as watching somebody for a lot of kanye, who we made him famous, we gave him fame, support, and made him legit. now, he literally turned against us, and through some antisemitism and therefore extra flavor. >> i think that's one of the problems. and the other problem is, it is because of fear, right? like the fear of not just black people having power, but unity

of, among multiracial coalition of americans, who want equality. . that is the scary thing, right? black people have been single for the last 100 years. it wasn't scary until white kids got woke. it's the same thing with critical race theory. right? it was being not talked about for 40 years, and then when people said, hey, maybe we should learn more about that, not just back history, but what, how we were complicit in continuing inequality, that's when it got scarier. that is critical race theory, that's when it was demonized. when black people were fighting for equal rights, that it got scary, it was when that civil rights movement was on tv, and in newspapers, and the sentiment of the country started changing that those people became confident, and agitators, and violent thugs. so, we see this throughout the

history, that the freedom, the movement for freedom injustice isn't necessarily that scary, it is the multi racial coalition working to word the same goal that is scary to people. >> the biggest threat to fascism is empathy, and the thing that they don't want their kids and their grandkids to feel, because that's what frightens them, is empathy toward people who don't look like them or worship like that, or love like them. that empathy is what they are afraid of. that's what they're trying to kill michael harriot, you are the best. thanks very much. we'll appreciate you being here. coming up next, speaking of lack empathy, the russian military has abandoned literally our pretense of humanity. they are just now terrorizing ukraine's capital city with kamikaze drones. seriously, we're back, after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ in a recent clinical study, patients using salonpas patch reported reductions in pain severity, using less or a lot less oral pain medicines. and improved quality of life. that's why we recommend salonpas. it's good medicine.

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of continued russian drone attacks on the queen capitol. nbc news correspondent cal perry has the very latest from kyiv. >> reporter: joy, it was once again, morning rush hour here, interrupted by the sound of explosions, at least 28 drones fired this morning all at once by russian forces, according to officials, five of them breaking through air defense systems, and striking that residential building. at least four people dead. another for wounded. dozens of people rushed to the hospital. now, the government had long warned that putin would move to this tactic, that he would move away from the more expensive

cruise missiles to these crude drones. they fly low. they fly slow you. can hear them coming. they sound like mopeds as they pass overhead. that's why the locals here have nicknamed them mopeds. and tonight, just in the past three hours, we've had more explosions, as these drones continue to be fire at the capitol. we've seen air defense systems, going into action, trying and shoot these drones out of the sky. the other thing that we are noticing here is that the targets seem pretty clear. the russians are trying to hit an urging for structure targets. again, to try to force the city behind me, into blackness. but so often, they're missing and they're hitting these residential areas. it's one more indication that while the russian army may be inept, while they may be capable of striking directly, they're still capable of being very deadly, and lashing out at these presidential targets, as they continue to lose ground on the battlefield. both in the eastern part of the country, joy, and in the southern part. >> cal perry, thank you very much. and that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts