good evening, chris. thank you, my friend. much appreciated. thank you at home for joining us this hour. happy to have you here. here's the transcript. ready? congressman, i have here pelley's, the silver shirt weekly. is that also a publication of yours? >> yes. >> this was sent out to the members of the silver shirts and was regarded as their official publication; is that correct.

>> it might be interpreted that way. >> i find here on page 4 the following, i quote. the jews have the money but the again tiles have the numbers. no matter what measures toward repression may be taken, it will be a very fine thing in that hour not to be a jey. >> don't you think a fair interpretation by the average citizen reading that would be that there was a threat of force to be applied against the people of the jewish race in this country from some source. >> yes. >> you admit that that is a fair interpretation. >> yes. >> congressman, you are the acknowledged leader of the silver shirts? >> i am. >> and if the silver shirts had achieved their aim, would you have been the man in charge of the u.s. government? >> probably. >> and if you had become the leader of this country, would you have put into effect hitler's policies so far as they are referable to the anti-jewish policy? >> i probably would, sir.

>> i probably would. that's congressional testimony from february 1940. the witness, the guy testifying is this guy, who is a little crazy looking, right? it is a small blessing in these matters to have the person that is this crazy and dangerous actually look this crazy and dangerous. his name is william dudley pelley. he was an american and he said publically that the day hitler was appointed chancellor in germany, he, william pelley, had a vision, a revelation, that if hitler could do it there, he could do it here. the day hitler became chancer in germany, he wanted to do here what hitler was doing in his country, most especially when it came to the treatment of jewish people. and they were called the silver shirts. hitler had his brown shirt, street fighting fascist thugs.

dudley was like, okay, we'll be the silver shirts here in the united states and i'll be the american hitler. that's what you should think of me as. and he does look totally coo coo for cocoa puffs. see him in the middle there in their little uniform which he put his followers in? they look ridiculous. they look bizarre and also cartoonishly evil. but the bizarre nature of this unfortunately makes it possible to dismiss this as truly crazy and not going to amount to anything, that it was not actually that serious. between 1933, though, when he had history dig louse vision about him becoming hitler here, between 1933 and 1940 when he was giving that testimony to congress, william pelley

actually did amass thousands, thousands of american followers. and he mandated that they all obtain guns and keep thousands of rounds at ammunition at their homes, and they did. and privately obtained weapons weren't enough for them. turned out the silver shirts had a man inside a u.s. military armory in northern california. with him they made detailed plans for the silver shirts taking over u.s. military armories up and down the west coast and seizing all that military material. in southern california, two u.s. marines were put on trial and convicted for stealing and then trafficking u.s. military weapons and ammunition to pelley's silver shirts because, yeah, they liked what they could buy on the u.s. market, but they liked u.s. military weapons even more. now, the way those marines got put on trial and convicted is that u.s. naval intelligence got tipped off to what pelley's group, the silver shirts was doing by a local anti-fascist

group in california that was infiltrating groups like pelley's to track what they were doing. local law enforcement didn't care, they seemed almost sympathetic to these ultra right groups. so private activist groups did what they could to figure out what they were doing and sound the alarm. that's what happened in the armories plot. that same group of local activists also tipped off authorities to another one of these guys. again, it helps to look like the character playing the part of evil in the children's holiday pageant. i don't know. play it up a little, guy. you don't look quite cooky enough. this guy was george dutherigde. a conference was con seened in 1938 in germany called the world conference of antisemimites.

and this american guy was invited to germany to come speak at that conference. he came home from that conference in 1938 and by 1939 he and his leagues planned a nationwide group of armed cells meeting, training amassing guns and ammunition with a plan that they would all act simultaneously, right after the 1940 election to kill american jews and to take over the u.s. government by force and install a hitler style government in the united states. if you want to learn more about any of this stuff, i highly commend to you a couple of really good, fairly recent books that tell the story by laura rosenswag called "hollywood's spies" and "hitler in los

angeles." both recommended by me. very well written, very well researched and eye popping. i have just done this new podcast on this stuff. whether or not you want to read books about it, you can hear me say more about these particular jerks and what they were up to and also who the heroic americans were that infiltrated groups like that and blew the whistle on them. you can hear about them in the third episode of rachel maddow presents: ultra, which was just released today. this is a short series. there is only eight episodes in total. we will post a new one every monday. you can get them for free. thanks to everyone who has been listening already. i am getting lots and lots of feedback about it. i will just say as a generic matter, i'm sorry to be freaking everybody out, but this stuff really happened. and for me, i mean, i have said this before, but for me it is,

yes, unnerving and unsettling and dark. but it is also sort of comforting to know that there are americans who went before us who faced threats like that, who successfully faced threats like that. and who cobbled together strategies in the moment. whether or not they thought they were equipped to do so, so expose and combat forces like that operating in our country when they were powerful and well connected and very well armed. to me it is comforting to know that americans who came before us figured out how to fight that stuff. one of the lessons that e mernls quickly when you look at the history of the violent ultra right here in the united states, one of the things that comes home again and again is that fascist, violent authoritarian messages very, very, very often comes with a big heaping helping of anti-semitism. people who want to throw a government by force, people who want to get rid of democratically elected leaders

and install some leader using violence whipping people up toward believing there is no political solution, that there has to be violence instead. the whole thing needs to be burned down and cleansed and started over this time with us in charge. in that whole line of argument, that whole form of insidious messaging depends on there being an "other," right? some sort of very powerful cabal that is secretly in charge and pulling all the strings and they need to be rooted out. again and again and again, that is core to fascist and authoritarian messaging. it happens over and over again around the world and in our history, too. even though we don't often like to remember it happening here. we like to look back and remember that we were the country that joined the fight against hitler and stopped what

he was doing. that's true. and also there is this truth is stranger than fiction dark history of the forces in our country who wanted us either not to fight germany or, if we weren't going to fight, they wanted us to fight on hitler's side. this is all imagery from the united states that we're showing here on the screen right now. there were powerful, well connected an indeed well armed forces in the united states in the lead-up to world war ii who wanted us fighting on hitler's side because of what hitler was saying about jewish people and what he was doing to jewish people. we had an ultra right movement here in america that sided with that. 80, 85 years ago. and the fight against them back then, i think is fascinating and that's what i have been working on with this podcast. i think there is a lot for us to learn for the americans that went before us for us to fight against that. if you study this stuff in

history, right, it is almost unbelievable that it happened at all when it happened. but then when you are in the middle of studying that history and you have news cycles like the one we're in right now and it feels all the more impossible that this is what's happening right now. i mean, in our current news cycle right now, you have got the immediate former president of the united states putting out a statement on social media that some kind of ominous vague warning for americans who are jewish saying jews need to be more appreciative of him. jews need to get their act together, he says, quote, before it's too late. nobody knows what he's talking about or what he's threatening american jews with here, but this is really happening now. we're three weeks out from the next election. after the last one when he sent an armed mob of his supporters to overthrow the government and make him leader by force of arms, last week the republican party posted this on social

media. kanye. elon. trump. the latter of course is the guy that posted the jews better get their act together message. the former guy said that while he was sleeping right this second, as soon as he got up he was going to go death con 3 on jewish people. the middle guy in that triad is the one who has reportedly been in contact with the fascist dictator in russia who is currently waging war on ukraine. he's the guy who has recently been promoting an appeasement plan to get western countries to back off and let the western dictator keep whatever countries he wants to invade and occupy and we should leave him alone to do it. the house republican tweet naming those three guys as the trinity of the republican party right now, that's still up. with the before it's too late that the jews need to get their act together. with the going death con 3 on jewish people threat and also

with the guy in touch with putin trying to get everybody else to back off and let him invade who he wants. that's still up from an official republican party twitter account. and all of this is -- it is a good reminder that anti-semitism and authoritarianism very, very, very often go together. it is also a reminder that neither of these things are fights that are consigned to history. our generation gets our turn in the barrel of these things now. whatever you might have admired about americans in the past, well, now is your chance to emulate what they did that you think is right. whatever you were disappointed in and thinking about americans in the past who didn't rise to the occasion, who stuck their heads in the sand, who let it slide, well, now is your chance to not emulate them because this is our turn with this stuff. and it is just astonishing that this is one fundamental level in 2022 of which the next election

is being fought. i mean, here is the headline in "the washington post" this weekend. racist gop appeals heat up in final weeks before the midterms. quote, as the campaign heats up in the final weeks before november's midterm elections, so have overt appeals to racial animus and resentment. and the toxic remarks appear to be receiving less pushback from republicans than in past years, suggesting that some candidates have been influenced by the former president's norm breaking example. the chief executive of the anti-defamation league said it is not. what is now is after years in which it was clear that to be credible in public life politicians had to reject prejudice, it's now been normalized in ways that are really quite breathtaking. he says, quote, i don't know if it'll be very easy to put the genie back in the bottle. so, i mean, we're three weeks

out from election day. and that's the message coming from one side, right? which history is screaming at us in terms of how dangerous this stuff is. but to win elections, you can't just point at it, you can't just point at anything and say, no, not that. there has to be another message. there has to be a competing message in this case about why we should stay with political solutions to our problems. we shouldn't blame some mythical other for ruining everything which requires us to burn it all down and abandon election results, right? there is a case to be made not just against what they're advocating but also why we should keep the democratic system we have had for more than 200 years in this country. there is this incredibly stark contrast for this election. on the right, it is all these things we have been talking about including blatant anti-se mettic appeals and no negative

response to that from republicans at large. and from the democratic party, on the other side, we've got like the most purely practical stuff. it's literally, you know, hearing aids. as of today, you can get hearing aids over the counter, which means they will be thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars cheaper. the nih estimates that more than 80% of americans that can benefits that can benefit from hearing aids estimate they don't get them because they're hard to get. starting today, you can just buy hearing aids over the counter, which makes it way easier and should bring the cost of hearing aids down by thousands of dollars, which should mean that millions of americans who need help with hearing loss, whose lives would be seriously improved by having assistance with hearing loss problems, their lives are going to get

better. that's brand-new as of today. there was a vote five years in 2017 that made it possible for the fda to do this and to allow hearing aids to be over the counter. the trump administration sat on it for years and it didn't get done. president biden signed an executive order in august giving the fda 120 days to get it done, and they got it done. as of today, life will be materially improved for millions of americans who have hearing loss. if you don't have it now, you very well may get it later. this could benefit something like 30 million people. and that's very practical. and you might see that as small ball politics, but that's the kind of thing that democrats are putting on the table ahead of this election in three weeks. i mean, look at the highest profile actions that president biden and the democrats have taken in the lead-up to this election. president biden and democrats passed legislation to lower the cost of prescription drugs, to

literally put a cap on the amount that seniors can pay out out-of-pocket. republican senators announced their plan to repeal it and make you pay more for prescriptions. president biden came up to a plan to reduce people's student loan debt. again for millions and millions and millions of americans, a hugely practical financial improvement in your lives. republican states are suing to try to get rid of that. to make you pay more for your student loans. president biden recently pardoned people with convicti of marijuana. and these kinds of initiatives from the democrats, these are implicitly an argument for democracy, right? i mean, you see where i'm going with this. the way you argue for democracy is not just by pointing the

finger at people that want violence and fascism saying, whoa, that's bad. that always works out badly. you have to make the positive case that democracy is a good idea. that democracy can deliver meaningful, practical improvements in americans lives. so i think that's why this election season feels so weird. there is this mismatch from the two sides, right? republicans going apocalyptic, end times, end of democracy, huge proportion of republican voters, let alone republican candidates, republican voters saying unless their team wins they will not accept the election results as legitimate because election results no longer are the way republicans want to do business in this country. we have these overt anti-se mettic appeals from people on their side of the aisle. that's what's happening on the right while democrats are like, hey, we no longer like democracy.

and republicans don't want those practical things to work, but that's the argument from the democrats. now, how is this playing out in individual races so far? i believe it is still hard to tell. in georgia, early voting starting today. in georgia, herschel walker was just asked about the cap on drug prices, including a cap on the price of insulin, which is a life or death necessity with people with diabetes. he suggested people really might not need the insulin if they just eat right. they don't really need the insulin. how is that going to play in georgia? one party capping the price of insulin so that you don't break the bank paying for a drug that you need to stay alive. the other party saying, do you really need that? the other marquee race in georgia this year is the governor's race, the debate between brian kemp and saysy

abrams is happening tonight in georgia. we will check on that tonight with nicole wallace. there is an ohio senate debate as well. tim ryan versus jd vance who also says he does not accept election results anymore. there is an iowa governor's debate tonight. a utah senate debate tonight. that's all happening live tonight. we're going to check in on all of those. but before we do, with this kind of larger stakes idea in mind, there is just one last thing i want to show you about the election in three weeks. this is from arizona. in arizona, as you probably know, there is a huge governor's case including the governor candidate who does not believe in election results anymore, a huge senate race anymore for somebody that does not believe in election results anymore on the republican side. there is the secretary of state

race that has national implications, of course. now in arizona we have also learned that the republican attorney general there has formally asked the irs and fbi to investigate the finances of one of the main groups that's been promoting this false idea of massive election fraud. this is the group that did that debunk movie "2000 mules." the republican of arizona asked for an fbi and federal investigation of that group, which is a fascinating development. but also today, and i do think this is worth watching, we got this new ad from the democratic party in arizona, and it is about the election three weeks from now, about the secretary to have state race i mentioned specifically. what is incredible about this ad is that the democratic party in arizona is able to make this ad with the former spokesperson with the oath keepers, the paramilitary group currently on trial in federal court in washington, d.c. on charges of seditious conspiracy. >> i was a prop began dis for

the oath keepers. they're the ones that stormed the capitol. they brought explosives, violence. it is absolutely a foundation. mark is a member of the oath keepers and led the effort to delegitimize the election in arizona. it would be insane to put mark finchum in charge of tallying the votes. that's a dangerous proposition. >> that's a new ad about the republican candidate for secretary of state. so this election is a simultaneous fight. at the same time it is a fight over whether or not we're going to use violence to settle our differences from here on out, whether we're going to use violence to put people in power, the argument for using violence, for taking over by force, for blaming some other and using that to just an abandon of

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look, this is today. this was the line outside a polling place in georgia this morning. before the sun was even up, pre-dawn line to vote today in cobb county. this was the line outside a polling place in chatam county, georgia. people showing up as early as 5:00 a.m. to cast their ballot today because today was day one of early voting in the state of georgia. and while it always irks me to see long lines because it shouldn't take a huge amount of sacrifice to vote and you don't want people to have to wait in long lines, you want it to be convenient, that enthusiasm is great news.

it is great news to see people eager to get out there to get their vote in. in georgia, it has never been the easiest place to vote. this year could be the hardest year yet. this is the first election since brian kemp signed a new law that makes its harder to vote in all sorts of ways. you might remember the controversy over this bill. it makes it illegal to hand out water or food to people waiting in line to vote, among many, many other restrictions. so this morning's lines, lines to vote at the first moment possible, i mean, the glass half full way to look at that is great news because, a, it shows enthusiasm and that will make lines for the rest of the month shorter. tonight was the debate for stacey abrams and brian kemp, the man who signed all those new georgia voting restrictions into law. tonight's debate in georgia confirmed that issue, the

fundamental issue of the right to vote is still very much so front and center in that state. >> she said that our recent elections integrity act that we passed two years ago would be suppressive and jim crow 2.0. just this may we again had record turn-out in the republican primary and the democratic primary. in georgia, it is easy to vote and hard to cheat. >> let's be clear. brian kemp was the secretary of state, and he has denied access to the right to vote. we know that the right to vote is the only way that we can make the changes we need in the state, the only way we can make the changes we need this this country, whether it is accept to the right to abortion. we need a governor that believes in the right to vote. >> that was just tonight in georgia, one of four major election debates happening tonight. there was another debate in the governor's race in iowa tonight

as well, a debate in the senate race in ohio between tim ryan and jd vance. also a debate in the race for senate in utah, mike lee versus evan mcmillen. all four episodes of that are streaming now on peacock. nicole, congratulations on that. it is great to see you as always. >> thank you so much for having me. it is such a marvel to listen to the tapestry you weave. i usually watch them at home with my mommy juice and a mug. the only thing i would add to the backdrop is the republicans in terms of their numbers, they may be the largest in terms of their numbers autocratic force the world over. there are a lot of american republicans. and if you support them, you

support a party that now doesn't believe in election results unless they win them, that now -- i mean, all of the states that pass voter suppression laws and there are dozens and dozens -- there is no fraud. but that didn't stop 48 states from looking at voter suppression laws masquerading as election laws. it was a masquerade because there wasn't any fraud. we are watching it and no one puts all the pieces together like you do. but no matter what happens in three weeks, some of them will win and our democracy will have been weakened. >> and it is operating on a government different levels, right, in republican-controlled states where the reaction to the 2020 election which trump lost was to change voting rules to make it harder to vote or easier to throw votes out or easier to mess the vote when it is being tallied and submitted. when they changed all of those

things, that has two impacts on this election, right? it might actually skew the electorate in terms of who is able to get out and get their vote counted but it puts it on the table as one of the issues we get to fight about. that's one of the things i want to ask you about. do you think that is functioning in democrats favor in election races in tight races around the country, the idea that this democracy is on the ballot? >> well, we know that -- and i'm not giving them the credit for it. but at the same time that the public hearings ramped up, when we spent all those late evening together covering the public phase of the january 6th committee hearings, democracy shot to the top of the list, but not just democratic voters but independent voters. that was a top tier issue. we haven't seen that in a

generation. that hasn't happened in tens and tens and tens of years. but i think it is a race against the clock, right? you have to make sure that it matters as an issue and turns elections in the favor of, you know, the handful. i guess there is a handful of republicans who have said they would honor the results, but not many. on the anti-semitism you started with, i asked jonathan greenblatt today if any republican leaders condemned donald trump's comments. not one of them. he said, did i miss anything? did any of them kind of condemn it? he said not one. he said mitch mcconnell won't defend his wife from a racist attack from donald trump. do you think he's going to defend american jews. i thought what a sick commentary on the republican party three weeks ahead of the midterms. >> i feel like the other thing

that is dramatically different heading into these midterms and other elections is that this is the first post-roe election. i wanted to actually -- looking all your new specials airing on peacock now, i wanted to air a clip about you talking with rosy perez about the impact of the roe ruling and what that means both in terms of mental health but also how people are thinking about the election. let's watch. >> for all women that i know and the vast majority of women in this county, the roe decision was gutting. it is a gutting fact about the country in which we leave and the reality right now, not in an abstract manner but for any woman in america who finds herself pregnant and doesn't want to have that child and for any woman who is a victim of rape or incest and doesn't have

agency over her own body and the child that has ensued from that rape or assault. you and i talk all the time about the news and we talked a lot when that happened. and that was particularly upsetting for you. >> it was very upsetting. i think i was hysterical. because what i thought about were all the children that could potentially come into this world that will be unwanted, unloved and abused. there is such a greater -- you know, such a great sin to do that to a child because when a parent doesn't want a child, the child knows it. i knew it. i knew it. >> we so rarely talk about the emotional reality of our political life, but i feel like you are drilling down on it in a

way that i don't know how to do. but it's really valuable. i think it's helpful. i think that hits people where they are. i think that really speaks to how a lot of people are experiencing this right now. can you talk about your decision to pick this context and your decision to make this series because of that? >> you know, you hear it. i'm sure you hear it. i hear it all the time. i think people want to pull away from what we do on our shows because it has become painful to think that this is who we are. and i sometimes think that what i write and read can't be true. but i have -- you know, we come here and then we don't pick the news. but i heard it so frequently that the news had started to cause pain. and, you know, you just scratch right under that and, you know, you want to inspire activism, right? you want people to feel -- you want people to feel agency. you want people to believe their

vote counts. but we're sitting here and nobody does it better than you do, but we have this role of holding up a mirror. and when that picture is too painful to look at, i thought i would have some of the conversations about what that does. but the pain doesn't go away. and maybe part of the collective experience is talking about that side of it. >> nicole wallace, the host of deadline white house on msnbc and now a new series "deadline special report," it is a smart and needed thing. all four episodes streaming right now on peacock. thank you for your time tonight. >> stay it was. i'm 76 and i live on the oregon coast. my husband, sam, u.alk s. i have two daughters and then two granddaughters. i noticed that memories were not there like they were when i was much younger. since taking prevagen, my memory has gotten better

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reports which are written by career scientists. during the pandemic, just like every public health crisis before the modern era, it has informed doctors and researchers and public about the most recent crisis. mmwr is the international gold standard for public health communications. it is often described as the voice of the cdc. as a rule mmwr reports are never reviewed by political staff. they are purely science. but then this trump appointee comes in and he starts bar raiding cdc scientists because their purely scientific information about covid is making donald trump look bad. well the congressional investigation into the government's covid response released e-mails. here is the trump campaign guy responding to a new mmwr report

about covid risks to children. he says, quote, who writes this garbage? he says the cdc director gots to start firing people in large numbers there! this agency is working against the president daily. yeah, he gots to do that. there is dozens and dozens of e-mails like that. at one point trump's own chief of staff said made trump look particularly bad. that deputy director said she had never gotten a call from a chief of staff in her 30-year career before that. these are scientists writing scientific reports about an ongoing worsening pandemic. they had to go. they had to be changed to make trump not look so bad, the science be damned. today we learned the extent to

which they succeeded. according to this new report, trump appointees meddled in 19 different reports. today's report concludes the degree of control of hostility that the trump administration exerted over the independent agency not only demoralized cdc officials. as we head into our third winter living with covid and new variants continue to evolve and 10% of americans have gotten the latest vaccine booster, we are reminding that eroded trust in public health will take a long time to rebuild if we ever can. the chairman of the investigation that issued that report joins us live here next. t she was ready for those... uninvited guests. [growling]

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james clyburn of south carolina. mr. chairman, thank you so much for joining us. it is a pleasure to have you here. >> well, thank you very much for having me. >> while it was happening here on the show, we tried to pretty closely cover what appeared to be political interference on the cdc's work. even still, reading your report today, it is way worse than i thought. i wonder if you felt that way. was there more damage done than you were expecting to find at the out set of this inquiinquir? >> absolutely. we had a two-year investigation. we attempted to pull back the curtains so people could see exactly what was taking place. we knew from general reports there was some kind of interference taking place. we had no idea the extent to which it was going in suppressing information,

submitting missed information, doing whatever they could to make that administration look better than they should have looked. it was incredible what they were doing. even we had people testify that they were ordered to delete certain things. and in at least five instances we saw where there were deletions and delays. it was absolutely terrible. >> i was truck in looking at the report how many times when you interviewed cdc officials and cdc scientists they would all say some version of i have worked at cdc for x years, for x decades. nothing like this ever happened before. the fact that this was so unprecedented, that the cdc was so walled off from political interference, i wonder if you came to think that might have been something that made them

more vulnerable to this kind of meddling because they didn't have anantibodies against hit. they never had to confront this kind of corruption before. >> i think that's a good conclusion to draw. these are scientists. these are people who believe their purpose is to protect the american people. we had the worst medical problem in this country in 100 years, and they were dedicated to learning from their past experiences and doing the things that are necessary to protect the public. they were not prepared to have to deal with political interference. they informed the public and hopefully the leadership would be there by the politicians to do what's necessary to protect the public.

instead, they had their information supplanted and deleted and in many instances they were insulted and embarrassed. >> the importance of this kind of inquiry is to get the history right about what happened. but the next step of course is making sure using that history to make sure that doesn't happen again and that the cdc does have defense. they do have people to go, they have a way to defend themselves in case somebody tries to do this again. you have given us a way to do that. congressman james clybourn, mr. chairman, thank you for being with us tonight and thank you for this important work. >> thank you very much for having me. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay it was. t was. centrum multigummies and took one more step towards taking charge of your health. w.it.h. .us.w.itey'rh.ssen .ts for energy and immunity support. so every day, you can say, ♪ you did it! ♪ with centrum multigummies.

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