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i'm really happy to have you here, here's the transcript. i have the silver shirt weekly, is unofficial work of yours? >> congressman, this was sent out to the members of the silver shirt, and it was regarded as our official publication, is that correct? >> it might be interpreted that way. >> congressman, i find here on page for the following. i quote. the jews have the money, but the gentiles other numbers. no matter what measures towards repression may be taken, it will be a very fine thing that our, not to be a two. congressman, don't you think that a fair interpretation by the average citizen reading that would be that there is a threat of force to be applied against people of the jewish race in this country from some source. >> witness, yes. >> you admit that is a fair interpretation? >> witness, yes. >> congressman, you are the acknowledged leader of the silver shirts? >> witness, i am.

>> and if the silver shirts had achieved their aim, would you have been in the man in charge of the government? >> witness, probably. >> congressman, and if it become the leader of this country, would you have put into effect hitler's policies, so far as they are refer-able to the anti jewish policy? >> witness, i probably would, sir. >> i probably would. that's a congressional testimony from february 1940. the witness, testifying is this guy, who is a little crazy looking, right? it's a small buffing a news matters, to have the person that's crazy dangerous actually look at this crazy and dangerous. his name was william dudley pelley. he wasn't american, and he said publicly, the day hitler was appointed chancellor in germany, he, william kelly had a revelation that if hitler could be there, he can do it here.

and so the day hitler became chancellor in germany, he founded a movement here that was designed to install him in power here, so he can do hear what hitler is doing in his country, most especially when it came to the treatment of jewish people. they were called the silver shirts, hit their head as brownshirts, street fighting fascist thugs, mussolini had his black shirt street fighting precious dogs, william pelley said brown is taken, black is taken, and i'll be the american hitler, that's where you should think me as. and he does look totally cuckoo for cocoa puffs, and these are all silver shirts. see him in a dark uniform in the middle. and their little uniform, that he put his followers, and they look ridiculous. they look bizarre, and also qatari cartoonish ali evil. but the cartoonish nature of this, and the bizarre nature of

this, unfortunately makes it possible to dismiss this as truly scary marginalia there was never really gonna amount to anything. that was never really that serious. between 1933 though, when it is ridiculous version about him becoming hillier, here, between 1933 and 1940 when he was given that testimony to congress, he actually did a thousands of american followers. and he mandated that they all obtain guns, and keep thousands of rounds of ammunition of their homes, and they did, and privately obtained weapons when enough for them, turned out the silver shirts had a man inside a u.s. military armory in california, with him they made detailed plans for the silver shorts taking over u.s. military armory's up and on the west coast, and seizing all that military material. and southern california, two u.s. marines were put on trial and convicted for stealing and then trafficking u.s. military

weapons and ammunition to police silver shirts. because, yeah they liked what they get by on the free market, but they wanted u.s. military weapons even more. now, the way those marines got put on trial, and convicted, is that u.s. naval intelligence got tipped off to what police group was doing they got tipped off by a local anti-fascist group in southern california those infiltrating groups like police to track what they were doing, local law enforcement and really care. they in some cases seemed they sympathetically his alter right, violent fascist groups. and so private activist groups did what they did, try to infiltrate these groups, forgot what they're doing, and sound the alarm. that's what happened with the armory's plot. and same group of local activists, also to tell authorities, to another one of these guys. again, it helps to look like

the character played a part of evil, in a children's holiday pageant. i don't, outplayed up guy, you don't look quite kooky enough. is another, american scene here testified in, congress just as pelley did. this guy was named george dawnridge. he had been a good bit of -- it was called the world conference of antisemites. and this american guy, was invited to germany to come speak of that congress. he came home for that congress in 1938, by 1939, he had some of his colleagues have planned a nationwide network of armed, 13 men cells, her meeting, training, amassing guns and ammunition, with the plan that they would all act simultaneously, right up to the 1940 election. to kill american jews. and to take over the u.s. government by force, and install a hitler style

government and united states. if you want to learn more about any of the stuff, i highly commend you a number of really, good fairly recent books that tell you the whole whole story. a book called hollywood spies, and another book by steven garage, called hitler in los angeles, both these books are great, verily highly recommended by me, i mean if you don't read that kind of, thing they're both very well researched and totally eye-popping. i've been reading this kind of history, recently so whether or not you we books on, it you can hear me say, more about these particular jerks, and what they were up to. and who the hurricane erick is we're going for treating groups like, that employ the whistle on them. you can hear more about william dudley pelley, and george dawnridge, you can hear more about it in rachael maddow presents ultra, this is a short series, only eight in, total as

of today those three of the eight that are out, you can get it for free anywhere you get podcasts, thanks to everybody's been listening already. i've been getting lots and lots of feedback already, i'll just say is a generic matter, i'm sorry to be freaking everybody out. but this stuff really happens. and, for me, i've said this before, to me it is unnerving in dark, but it's sort of comforting to know that there are americans event before, us that face threats like that. who successfully faced threats like that. and who called together strategies in the moment, whether or not they thought they were quick to do so, to expose and combat forces like that, operate in our country. and they're powerful and well connected, and very well arms. to me it's comforting that americans figure out how to fake that stuff. one of the lessons that emerges quickly when you spent time

looking at this history the violent alt-right, not just internationally but here in the united states. one of the things that comes home again and again, is that fascist, violent, authoritarian messaging, very very often comes with a big heaping helmet being of antisemitism. people want to overthrow government by force, want to get rid of the democratically elected leaders and instead install some leader using violence, whipping up people the idea there is no political solution, the vast grievances dead, there's any -- cleansed and started over this time with us and charge. that whole line of argument, that whole form of insidious messaging, depends on there being another. a so short a very powerful quality to secretly in charge of pulling all the strings, and they need to be rooted out. again and again, overtime in a lot of different countries, but including an hours, that is

core to fascist and authoritarian messaging. and jewish people are perennially targeted, scapegoated, and insinuated against by people who are making those kinds of arguments. it happens over and over again around the world, and our history, to even though we don't like to remember happening here to. we like to look back to late 30s and 40s, and remember that we were the country during the fight against hillary, and start when he was doing. that's true, and also there is this truth is stranger than fiction, about the people in power in our country wanted us, either not to find germany, but if we were gonna fight, one of us to fight on hitler silent. this is all imagery from the united states that we're showing right now. there were well connected forces in the united states, in the lead up to world war ii, who wanted this fighting on hitler side, because of what hitler is saying about jewish people, and what he was doing to jewish people.

we had an ultra bright movement here in america, that sided with that. 80 85 years ago. the fight against them back then, i think was fascinating. that is what i've been working on with this podcast, i think there's a lot to learn from the americans who went before us who have to fight against that. but, if you study the stuff in history, right, it's almost unbelievable that it happened at all when it happened. in the middle of studying that history, we have news cycles like the one we are in right now, and feels all the more impossible that this is what is happening right now. i mean, in our current news cycle right now, you have the immediate former president of the united states, pushing out on social media some ominous warning, same jews need to be more appreciative of him, jews need to get their act together. he says, forced too late.

nobody knows what he's talking, about or what do starting american jews with, but this is really happening. we are three weeks out for the next election, after the last one where he sent an armed mob of his supporters to violently overthrow the, government stop the transfer, power and make it leader by force of arms. last week the republican party -- posted kanye, elon, trump. the former is the guy who just posted, that while he was sleeping right the second, as soon he was woke up he's going to go death con three on jewish people. the middle, guy in that trial, that is the one who's reportedly been in direct contact with the fascist -- he's the guy who has recently been promoting an appeasement plan, to get western countries to pack, off and let the russian dictator keep what over parts of other country wants to

invade and occupy, and we should leave him alone to do it. so the house republican tweet, naming those three guys as the holy trinity of the republican party right now. kanye, elon, trump, that still up. with a before it's too late that the threats need to get the act together, with the going dot come three on jewish people threat, and also with the guy in touch with putin trying to get everybody to back off and let him do whatever he wants. that still up from an official republican party twitter count. and all of this is a good reminder that antisemitism in authoritarianism very very often go together. it's also a reminder that neither of these things are fights that are consigned to history. our generation gets their turn at the barrel right now, but you might have a mind about americans in the past right now, will now's your chance to

emulate but they did that you think was right. whatever you might have been resented or disappointed in, thinking about americans in the past who didn't rise to the occasion, who stuck their hands in the sand, who pretended it wasn't, happening and let it slide, now is your chance to not emulate them. because this is our turn with this stuff. and it is just astonishing but this is one fundamental level, in 2022, on which the next election is being fought. here is the headline in the washington post this weekend. racist gop appeals heat up in final weeks before midterms. quote, as the campaign heats up in the final weeks before november's midterm elections, so are overt appeals to racial animus, and the toxic marks appear to be receiving less pushback than in recent years. suggesting that some candidates in the post trump election cycle, haven't influenced by the ex presidents norm breaking examples. quote, the chief executive of the anti-defamation league says

that is not new to see and have a schism or ever racism in politics. what is new is after years that and what it was clear that to be credible in public life politicians had to reject presidents, it is now being normalized in ways that are really quite breathtaking. says quote, i don't know if it'll be very easy to put the genie back in the bottle. we're three weeks out from election day, that's the message coming from one side. history is screaming at us about it, in terms of how dangerous this stuff is. >> but, to win elections, you can't just whitehead it, you can just pointed anything and say no, not that, there has to be another message. there has to be a competing message in this case, why we should stay with political institutions to our problems. we shouldn't blame some mystical other for ruining everything, which requires us to bring it all down, and maybe abandon democracy, and certainly abandon election

results. there's a case to be made, not just against what they are advocating, but also why that we should keep the democratic system we've had for more than 200 years in this country, so there's a very stark contrast in this election. on the right, there's all the things we've been talking about, including blatant as antisemitic appeals from people in the antisemitic -- no response to that from republicans a large. and from the democratic party, on the other side, we have the most purely practical stuff. it's literally, hearing aids, as of today you can get hearing aids over the counter, which means there will be thousands of thousands and thousands of dollars cheaper. then nih estimates that more than 80% of americans who can benefit from hearing, aides don't used, because a really expensive, and most insurance plans don't cover them, we have to pay cash. so in today you can just buy

hearing aids over the counter, which makes it way easier, and should bring the cost of hearing aids down, by thousands of dollars, which should mean that millions of americans who need help with hearing loss, whose lives would be seriously improved, by having assistance, with hearing loss problems, their lives are gonna get better. it's brand new as of today, there was a vote five years going 2017, they made it possible for the fda to do, this and to allow hearing aids to be over the counter, the trump administration just sat on it for, years and in the gym get done. biden decided to make it a priority, he signed an executive order in august given the fda 120 days to get it done as of today life will be materially improve both financially and in terms of quality of life, literally for millions of americans who have hearing loss. if you don't have a, now you very merry we'll get a later. this can benefit something like

30 million people. and that's very practical, and you might see that a small ball politics, but that is the kind of thing that democrats are putting on the table ahead of this election in three weeks. look at the highest profile actions that president biden and the democrats have taken, in the lead up to this election. president biden and democrats passed legislation to lower the cost of prescription drugs, and literally put a cap on the amount of seniors can pay out of pocket for prescriptions. republican senators have now introduced our plan to repeal it, to make you pay more for prescriptions, especially, you seniors. okay, president biden came up with a plan to reduce peoples student loan debt. again, for millions and millions of americans, a hugely practical financial improvement in their lives. republican states are suing to guide you get rid of that, to make you pay more for your student loans. president biden recently pardon

people with convictions for possession of marijuana, i don't think republicans have come up by the way to challenge, that but they won't talk about, it pretending is not happening. and this kind of, stuff these kind of initiatives from the democrats, these are implicitly, an argument for democracy, right? you see where i'm going with this. the way you argue for democracy, is not just pointing the finger at people who want violence, -- you have to do that, we have to make the positive case that democracy a good idea. that it can deliver, meaningful, practical improvements in americans lives. so i think that's why this election season feels so weird. this is mismatch from the two sides, right? republicans going apocalyptic, and times, and of democracy, huge proportion of republican voters, let alone republican candidates, saying that unless their team wins they will not

accept the election results as legitimate, because election results and along the way they want to do it in this country, simultaneously we have these over traumatic appeals from high-profile people on the side of the aisle, and democrats are saying we are not only like democracy, we're using our democratic system to do practical things, that hopefully help you and your family. republicans don't want those practical things to work, but that's the argument from the democrats. now, how is this playing out in individual races so far? i believe it is still hard to tell. in georgia, early voting started today, in georgia, the republican candidate in that marquee race there, herschel walker, was just asked about the cap on drug prices, including a cap on the price of insulin, which is a life or death this as a deeper people diabetes. he responded by suggesting that people might not really need the insulin, if they would just eat right, you don't really

need insulin. how is that gonna play in georgia? one party capping the price of insulin so that you don't break the bank, pain free drug that you need to stay alive, the other party saying do you really need that? the other marquee race in georgia this, year is the governor's race, the debate between brian kemp, and his democratic challenger stacey abrams, is gonna happen tonight, we now check in with nicole wallace who's gonna be her life. there's no debate between tim ryan and j.d. vance, who also says he doesn't accept election results anymore, there's an iowa governor's race tonight, there's a utah senate debate tonight between republican senator mike lee, and evan mcmullin who is giving mike lee a run for his money, that's all happening lives tonight we're gonna check in on all of those but before we do, with this kind of larger stakes idea in mind, there's just one last thing i want to show you about

the election in three weeks, this is from arizona. in arizona, as you probably know there's a huge governors race, including a gubernatorial candidate who doesn't believe in election results anymore. a huge senate race as well for someone who doesn't believe an election results anymore on the republican side. there's also a secretary of state's race where the candidate -- now and has national implications, of course now in arizona, we've also just learned that the republican attorney general there has formally asked the irs and fbi to investigative finances, and one of the main groups there's been promoting this false idea of a massive election fraud. this is the group that did that debunked movie, 2000 rules. the republican attorney general of arizona, as asked for an fbi -- and also, today i do think this is worth watching, we've got this new ad from the democratic party in arizona, and it's about the election three weeks from now about that secretary

of state race dimension specifically, what's incredible about this ad, as of the democratic party in arizona, is able to make this ad with the former spokesman, for the oath keepers. the pro trump ultra right paramilitary group, that's currently on trial in federal court in washington d.c., on charges of seditious conspiracy. >> i was a propagandist for the oath keepers that the ones who stormed the capitol they brought explosive military grade weapons. violence is absolutely the foundation. mark finchem is a member of oath keepers, he led the effort to delegitimized the in arizona. the guy is an election denier he's made it very clear that the rule of law doesn't matter. it would be insane to put him in charge of telling the votes, it's a very dangerous proposition. >> that's an arizona democratic party, add a new ad about the republican candidate, for secretary of state.

, so this election is a simultaneous fight. at the same time, it is a fight over whether or not we're gonna use violence to settle a differences from here on out. whether we're gonna use violence to put people in power. the argument for using violence, for taking over by force, for blaming some other, and using that to justify an abandonment of democracy, and strongman governments itself. that's an old idea, it's not the first time we've confronted in. it's an idea the rutgers, it comes around, even in our country. but we are in a moment, once again, when we are fighting about whether or not we're gonna go that route. and simultaneously, we're also fighting about what democracy can do, when he can deliver, in a very small ball practical sense. it is an argument both against giving up democracy, and an argument for keeping democracy. and this isn't history, it's happening right now in our lifetimes, it's our generations term. more ahead, stay with us.

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to, yet this is the first election since georgia's republic governor brian kemp signed a new law signed by the state republican legislature and makes it harder to vote in all sorts of ways you might remember the controversy over the bill when rogan's first passed it, this is the law that makes it illegal to hand out water or food to people who are waiting in line to vote, among many other restrictions. so, this morning's lions lines devoted the first moment possible, the glass half full way to look at that is great news, because a shows enthusiasm, and the means that it will make lines for the rest of the month shorter, tonight in georgia was a debate between democratic candidate for governor stacey abrams and brian kemp the man who signed all those new voting restrictions into law. tonight's debate in georgia confirmed that fundamental issue of the right to vote, is still very much so front of center in that state. >> you said that sent a bill 20,

to a recent senate bill would be suppressive in jim crow two point oh. just this past may in our primaries, we are going to record turnout in the republican primary, and democratic primary. in georgia, it's easy to vote, and hard to cheat. >> let's be clear about ballot access, and voter access. brian kemp was the secretary of state, and he has assiduously denied us the right to vote. we know that the right to vote is the only way that we can make the changes we need in a state, the only way we can make the changes we need in this country. whether it's access to the right to the abortion, ability to take care of our families, we need government believes in the right, vote and all of voter suppression, which is a hallmark of brian kemp's leadership. >> that was just tonight in georgia, one of four major election debates happening tonight, there is another debate of the governor's race in iowa tonight, as well, a debate in the senate race in ohio, between tim ryan and j.d. vance, also had been in the race for senate in utah.

mike lee and evan mcmullin. joining me now is nicole wallace, she's the host of, deadline white house, she's also hosting a new series called deadline, special report, on americas mental health crisis. all four episodes that are streaming now on peacock. nicole, congratulations on that, it's good to see you as always. >> thanks so much for having me, it's such a marvel to listen to the tapestry we've, in your a lot block here on set, with my earpiece in, i usually watch it at home with some mommy water in a mug. except, really i have to say -- the only thing i would add to the backdrop, is that the republicans in terms their numbers, they may be the largest in terms of their numbers autocratic force the world over. there are a lot of american republicans, and if you support, them you support a party that does not believe in election results, unless say when i'm. all of the states the pass

voter suppression laws. there were dozens and dozens, there were no flaws, but that doesn't stop 48 states -- integrity laws, it's a mask created because there wasn't any fraud. just ask donald trump and rudy. we are watching it. and nobody puts all the pieces together like you do, but no matter what happens in three weeks of the 300 election deniers even if democrats have a banner night some of them will win and our democracy will have been weekend. >> and it's operating at a couple different levels right? in republican-controlled states in reaction to the 2020 election was to change voting rules to make it harder to vote, or easier to throw votes out, we're easier to mess with the vote when it's being tallied, certified, and submitted. when they changed all of those things, that has to impact on this election, right? one is night changes rolls the people vote. and might actually school

electorate, in terms of who can make their vote casting counted. but it also puts that on the table as one of the issues that we get to fight about. and that's one of the things i wanted to just ask you about, in terms of having your ear to the, ground and covering all these campaigns closely, do you think that is functioning info in democrats favor, in election races, in tight races around the country, this idea that democracy is on the ballot, they don't voting, and they don't count your vote if you do? >> well we know -- and not giving them the credit for, it but at the same time that the public hearings ramped up, -- we spent late evening coming in the public case of the january six committee earrings, democracy shot at the top of the list, not just democratic voters, but independent voters that was a top tier issue. we haven't seen that in a generation, right? that hasn't happened in tens and tens of years. so i think it matters a lot more than it did, but i think it's a race against the clock,

right? we have to make sure that it matters as an issue, and turns elections in the favor of the handful. i guess there's a handful of republicans who said they'd honor the results, but not many. and on antisemitism that you started with, i asked jonathan greenblatt today if anything republican leaders condemned donald trump's antisemitic comments, he said not one. i said did you call them? and he said and i can tell you about my conversations. did any of them kind of content? he said not one. hit i said why do you think that is? if mcconnell won't defend his wife against the racist attack from donald trump. do you think he's gonna defend american jews. and i thought, what is a commentary on the republican party, three weeks out of the midterms. >> i feel like the other thing that is dramatically different, heading into these midterms, and other elections, is that this is the first person first

post roe election, and i was looking at your new specials that are airing on peacock. now i wanted to curb it of a clip that you shared of actors rosie perez, on the impact of the roe ruling, what that means both in terms of mental health, which is what years specials, about and have people of thinking about elections, let's watch. >> for all women and i know, and the vast majority in this country, the dobbs decision, overturning roe v. wade was getting, it isn't not a new news story, it's getting fact about the country in which we live. for any woman in america who find themselves pregnant, and don't want to have that child, and for any woman who is a victim of rape and incest, and doesn't have agency over her own body, and the child that has ensued from that rape or assault. even i talk all the time about

the news, and we talked a lot when it happened, and that was particularly upsetting. >> it was very upsetting. i think i was hysterical because what i thought about was all the children that could potentially come into this world, there will be unwanted, and loved and abused. this is such a great scene to do that to a child. because when a parent doesn't want a child, the child knew knows it. i knew it. >> we so rarely talk about the emotional reality of our political life, but i feel like you are drilling down on it in a way that, i don't know how to do. but it's really valuable, i think it hits people where they

are, and really speaks to how a lot of us are experiencing right now. can you talk about your decision to pick this context, and you're decision to make this areas because of that? >> well you hear, it i hear it all the time, i think people want to pull away from what we do on our shows, because it is become painful, to think that this is who we are. and i sometimes thing them what i write and read can't be true. but we come out here and we don't pick the news. but i heard it so frequently that the news had started to cause pain. and you just scratch right under that, and you want to inspire activism, right? you want people to feel agency, you obviously believe their vote counts, but we are sitting here, and nobody does better than you do. but we all have this role of holding up a mirror, and when that picture is too painful to

look at, i thought i would try to have some conversation about what that does. the pain doesn't go away, and maybe part of the collective experience is talking about that side of it. >> nicole wallace, the host of deadline, white house on msnbc, and now the new series, deadline special report, report on americas mental health crisis, it is a smart and needed, thing all four episodes streaming right now on peacock. nicole, my friend, thank you for a time to me. all right, stay with us. l right, stay with us. riven by eosinophils, which nucala helps reduce. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist about a nunormal with nucala.

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the spring of 2020, as the corona pandemic was just starting to rage. . the white house installed a trump campaign aide, to take over the cdc. somebody with zero public health experience, some of zero science experience, put that person in there to ride her to the cdc. with that appointment, the cdc had to run everybody everything through that eight, everything they want to say to the american public about the pandemic, i had to be approved by that random guy. that included the cdc's gold standard scientific reports, which are called mmwr's. more ability mortality weekly reports. they were written by career scientists, and during the pandemic, khalistan every public health crisis before it in the modern era, mmwr has served to inform doctors and

researchers in the public, about the latest crisis. and this gives it was covid-19, how is, spreading who is at risk. mmwr is the international gold standard for, public health communications, it is often described as the voice of the cdc, as a rule, and them w our reports are never reviewed by political star fat, they're purely science. but those trump appointee comes in any size berating cds scientists, because they're purely scientific information about covid, is making trump look bad. about the investigation has just released new emails abstain from this period, here for example is a top staffer to that trump campaign guy, responding to a new mmwr report, about covid risks to children. he says, quote, who writes this garbage? he says, the cdc director has to start firing people in large

numbers there. this agency is working against the president daily. yeah, he got to do that. there's dozens of emails like this. i want, point his own white house chief of staff personally calls the deputy director of the cdc, to dresser down and -- they made a look particularly bad. the deputy director of the cdc you said she never gotten a call from the white house chief of staff and a 43 year career at cdc before them. but again, these were scientists, writing scientific reports about an ongoing worsening pandemic. the trump administration said those signs reported had to go, had to be changed, to make trump not look so bad, the science not be dams. now today we're learning the extent to which age cheated -- trump political point to waited into medal with elise 19

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closely cover what appeared to be political interference in the cdc's work. even, still we did europe or today, it's towards her thought. i wonder if you felt that, way was there more damage done and you are expecting to find at the outset of this inquiry? >> absolutely, we had a two-year investigation, the attempted to pull back the curtains, so that people can see exactly what was taken place. we knew from general reports, there was some kind of interference taking place. we had no idea the extent to which this administration was going. in possessing information, so many missed information. it moves to make that administration look better than it currently looked, it was just incredible what they were

doing even the leading information that they were ordered, to delete certain things, at least five instances, -- who is absolutely incredible. >> i was struck and looking at the report, how many times when you interviewed cdc officials and scientists, they would also some version of, i've worked in cdc for x years, x decades, nothing like this never happened before. i've never been confronted with this interference before. the fact that this was so unprecedented, that is previously so walled off from political interference. i wonder if you began to think that might have been something that made them more vulnerable to this kind of meddling, because basically they didn't have antibodies against, it they didn't have defenses, because they never had to confront this kind of corruption before. >> a fair conclusion to draw?

these are scientists. these are people who believe that their potus is to protect the american people. we had the worst medical problem in this country, and 100 years, and they were dedicated to learning from past experiences. and doing the things that were necessary to protect the public. in fact that's not there, they're there to do the research, do the science, informed the public, and then hopefully the leadership would be there without the politicians to do it's necessary to protect the public. instead they had their information supplanted, and deleted, and in many instances they were insulted, and embarrassed. >> the importance of this kind

of inquiry, importance of this kind of reporters to get the history right about what happened. but the next step is making, sure you cannot, history making sure that doesn't happen again, and that the cdc does that, defense they do have to go to, they will waive defending the result is this happens again. you've given us as a country the ammunition to do that. congressman james clyburn, chair of the committee investigating the government's covid response, thank you for being with us, tonight and thank you for this important work. >> thank you very much for having me. >> all right, we'll be right back, stay with us. back, stay with us

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