guess. polling yesterday favored looking like a big blu seeing t different points of emphasis by republicans, but new numbers the top to tw democrats on the released just moments ago gives ballot, stacey abrams, a candidate for governor in democrats the edge. georgia, and raphael warnock, a we'll have the latest on the candidate for senate in georgia. abrams is relying more on midterms now just three weeks away. inspiring voters, turning out also ahead, is first lady jill the base, registering huge biden a not-so-secret weapon for democrats? amounts of people with a new reporting on the role she's platform highlighting things been playing this election like raising teacher pay, child cycle. and a look at whether 2022 could care, pre-k, affordable housing in an attempt to get voters to be different for third-party care more about politics. warnock is trying to reach out candidates. >> the answer is usually no. to independents, to center-right >> usually no. voters, to soft republicans who >> and, willie, today 4:00 p.m., voted solidly republican in places like the suburbs of maybe 4:30 eastern time, the new atlanta, this booming area. back when the republican party was more about economics. york yankees and the cleveland they can't do it anymore now that the republican party, given guardians playing each other, rained out last night. the rise of trump, has become the yankees i guess, you know, more about cultural things. one of the last big-market teams this is the debate with democrats. in the playoffs. what is the right way to win statewide in a place like i know eventually baseball will georgia? is it enough to inspire and probably be cheering for them, mobilize your way to victory, or

but especially you will. do you need those center-right how does the rain delay -- who republican voters to get it does that favor, the yankees, done? the polls show warnock's the guardians, and who's going strategy is doing better, to be on the mound for both leading herschel walker by about teams tonight? three to four points, whereas >> well, i'm happy to report it's a beautiful, crisp fall day stacey abrams is down about five to six points in recent polls. in new york, so this game is going to happen finally at 4:00 one caveat, as you were just this afternoon. they tried to get it in last talking about, their opponents, night. they waited and waited. herschel walker, facing warnock, it was 2 1/2 hours. is a first-time candidate with a they didn't want the fans to sit turbulent past. and wait until 11:00 or midnight brian kemp, incumbent governor, to start a baseball game, no viewers and all of that. does not have that baggage. so another day of rest for both and they argue that stacey pitchers. the yankees have nester cortez, who with gerrit cole has been great this year, maybe their best pitcher at times, an abrams' status is a factor as all-star this year. well as sexism has led voters to indians, i think, unless they hold her to a different just announced, had not standard. >> so let's talk about the early announced their starter. voting in that state. it looks like from what we're most people think shane bieber hearing overnight, and you can was really good too. fill in the blanks here, sahil, both guys got an extra day of we heard from gabe sterling, in rest. these games are toss-ups, these the secretary of state's office, a familiar face to many people elimination games. anything can happen. around the last election, he says we are north of 125,000 one team has a big first inning, you go right to the bullpen and

things get very interesting very early votes, dwarfing the number fast. >> willie, quickly, while we're from four years ago. son sports, maybe mika wants to >>. >> reporter: that's right. we just got some new early see me weep, gently weep on air, voting numbers yesterday. yesterday was of course the but after yesterday's show, she first day of early voting in georgia. it will go on for a couple weeks is bent on alabama. why didn't you talk about a.m. ahead of election day. and the turnout was quite extraordinary. al? >> i thought it was interesting. the number we have is 131,318 showed up for the first day of early voting. by comparison, that is much >> i don't know if you caught any of that game, it may have larger than the 70,849 who been the best college football showed up in 2018. game i've seen in a decade. as far as we know, these are >> joe was watching on a jetblue record-breaking numbers for a midterm election. flight and kept screaming, oh, compared to 2020, which was of course a presidential election my god! year happening during covid and scaring everyone. where a lot of people were >> we're starting to land. seeking alternate means of there's turbulence. voting, this is a little bit >> are you kidding me? i don't like flying. lower. that was 136,739. >> it's tied and it's kind of this is maybe about 5,000 lower. quiet, we're going through but still, willie, this suggests, as we've seen in many turbulence, and alabama recovers the fumble. >> i did not like that. >> tennessee fumble. polls and data points, that this is likely to be a much bigger they run it in and they go ahead turnout midterm year. and they win. usually we see the president's

as they score the touchdown, i'm party go to sleep a little bit, sorry, i shout out, "oh, my demobilize, be complacent. we're not seeing that with democrats this time around for a god!" and everybody on the plane variety of different reasons. turns and looks. i'm, like, in the middle of the >> sahil, let's talk about the republican candidates comparing plane. top of mind. the gubernatorial and the everybody in the front talking senatorial candidate. you just did in one respect. about the people in the back. but also talk about donald i had to announce. trump. donald trump obviously toxic in i had to announce alabama scored, they got the fumble large swaths of the north recovered. sorry, the plane is fine. atlanta suburbs. with walker, you have somebody but tennessee came back. >> not good. obviously very closely >> it was an incredible gam. associated with donald trump, but with kemp, you have somebody that actually stood up to trump, got hammered by trump. alabama fans upset, if we win the rest of our games or they at one point trump even said he do, we'll see them in december. that easy. might support stacey abrams over but what an incredible game. brian kemp, but he survived >> you get one mulligan. that. i'm wondering, how much easier you can lose one game and still be alive. does it make it for him running not good generally in turbulence as a republican who stood up to to scream out, "oh my god!" donald trump, who can say i'm but 100,000 fans at neyland conservative but also to those stadium descending onto that voters in atlanta's northern suburbs, can also say you don't

field, tearing down the goal have to worry about me being posts, walking them to the tennessee river and dumping them trump crazy, i stood up to him and i'm the conservative. there, where they now will live forever. >> reporter: that's a major i'm a vanderbilt guy, you know factor, joe. that, no love lost with that's according to the republicans and the democrats i talked to. tennessee, but i'm happy for those fans. the fact that brian kemp did they waited a long time not just stand up to donald trump, rejected his fabricated claims to beat alabama but to be back about a stolen election in 2020 in the conversation, the time of and certified the rightful peyton manning and martin many victory of joe biden, who won by years ago. now they're number three in the a very narrow margin, fewer than country, control their own destiny with some tough games 12,000 votes, but he did win, ahead. but tennessee could be playing that has given him distance from in the playoff, and that is music to those rocky top fans' trump and helps with the crossover voter who is supported ears. >> obviously, tennessee is one republicans but could not do it of our biggest rivalries and has again in 2020. think about the suburbs of been through the years. when i went to alabama, we lost atlanta, college graduates, all four years to tennessee. white college graduates in particular who liked the so every time i heard "rocky republican party when they were more the party of reagan, top" for a decade, i would focusing on less regulation and flinch because i knew it was bad fewer taxes, but they're not news. but i must say, it's been kind interested in the racial and of strange, a little depressing, cultural creeds that trump was like when texas isn't playing

well, when usc and other powers stoking. aren't playing that well. stacey abrams says he doesn't deserve credit for that, all he it was really nice -- i know was doing was his job and trying to not commit treason, no bama fans, my friends will be upset -- it's nice to see special favors. but herschel walker, trump's tennessee back because that third week in october is always hand-picked candidate, he's a week that alabama and never run for office before and tennessee fans -- they've looked his opponent, raphael warnock, forward to it for, like, a democrats here have raised century now. man, it matters. questions about his level of experience, the fact he's so closely tied to donald trump and wants him to run again in 2024, incredible. >> it all came pouring out on that is helping raphael warnock the field and those goal posts, it seems win more of the mika. >> it sure did. independent voters. by the way, we see in recent let's get back to the battle for the midterms three weeks away polls as many as warnock doing and a new poll finds congressional democrats slightly about 14 points better relative ahead on the generic ballot to stacey abrams against his three weeks from election day. opponent. those independents could be decisive in both races and seem the latest morning consult poll to be going in different finds democrats with 48% support directions. we are seeing evidence, even among likely supporters and 45% democratic organizers, see for republicans. evidence of a kemp/warnock vote president biden's approval rating has ticked up a bit, 46% in georgia. >> sahil kapur, thank you so approve of his job performance, much. one more item from georgia. up two points from last week, the state has launched a new

text alert system to notify 53% disapprove. election officials about threats >> mike barnicle, you just don't at polling sites. know about these polls. it depends on who they're the system, which was officially talking to, how the pollsters activated yesterday, allows are interpreting it. thousands of poll workers to they're all over the place. report any threats or concerning but, you know, i will say this, behavior they witness. >> this is great. when i read articles that are talking about how unpopular joe >> secretary of state brad biden is, it's they're about a month old. i think his average is around raffensperger's office created it against increasing threats 42%, 43%. that compares pretty favorably against state poll workers during and after the 2020 with most presidents over the election. depending on the severity of the past 20, 25 years. you look in this poll at 46%, threat, law enforcement officers could be sent to respond. his office said the goal is to it's the highest he's been at in give county directors and state 2022. there weren't a lot of times officials realtime intelligence from each of the state's 159 that donald trump was sitting at 46% during his presidency. counties. >> you know, joe, the only thing and the state of utah hosted about the polls that i think has its only senate debate last been fairly accurate, the night between incumbent republican senator mike lee and approval, disapproval, that's independent challenger evan something that's going to happen, the fear of growing mcmullin. in the debate, they both shared inflation, that's a reality that similar takes on the topics of everybody lives with, but the abortion and inflation, but

crime element that's continually mcmullin spent most of the evening trying to tylee to the pointed to in polls that crime is an issue in so many races efforts to overturn the results coast to coast. of the 2020 election and keep >> yes. >> and the wonderment of it to donald trump in power. me is why the democrats haven't figured out a better way to >> but for you to talk about the address that issue. importance of the electoral college i think is rich. listen, crime isn't what it's i think you know exactly how meant -- or supposed to be out important it is, and i think you of the words of many of the knew how important it was when republican candidates. you sought to urge the white it's not the fierce opponent house that had lost an election that's next door to you, down to find fake electors to the street from you, for most overturn the will of the people. americans. and that's a good thing. senator lee, that was the most but the crime factor is a egregious betrayal of our reality as a specter in people's nation's constitution in its history by a u.s. senator, i lives, it is real and becoming believe, and it will be your legacy. more real. and the fact that the democrats, a lot of the democrats haven't been able to address that, is it is a betrayal of the american going to be a huge factor when people go to vote. republican. you were there to stand up for huge factor. >> you know, willie, the thing our constitution, but when the barbarians were at the gate, you is, you sit around, not talking were happy to let them in. about myself, not talking about you, you can talk about your own >> there were people who behaved very badly on that day. personal conversations with i was not one of them. i was one of the people trying to dismantle this situation, friends, but if it has to do trying to stop it from with crime, democrats privately happening, because i believe in

talk about crime. this document -- and they don't talk about it in >> senator lee has been doing a political sense. this thing with his pocket constitution for the last several years. they talk about how it's senator lee, it is not a prop. impacting their lives, how it's it is not a prop. impacting -- you know, someone gets shot at union station senator lee, the constitution is waiting for a cab, something not a prop for you to wave about we've all done for 20, 30, 40 and then when it's convenient for your pursuit of power to years without problems like abandon without a thought. that, they talk about violence >> calling out senator lee for in other cities, in waving the constitution. mcmullen is running as an philadelphia. and then the response seems to be from progressives whether independent, one of a handful of it's on twitter or whether it's independents running outside of the two-party system in what a politician, oh, things are they say is an attempt to save fine. it's more dangerous in red state the republican party from america than blue state america. they don't feel that way in trumpism. ali vitali joins us with that philly. part of the story. and they've got a cop crisis what did you find? >> reporter: what you saw on the because cops keep quitting in debate stage from mcmullen is a philadelphia and people keep microcosm of the way he's trying getting shot in philadelphia. to run, outside the two-party that's going to have an impact system, but amid a landscape on the pennsylvania race. but there's always this, oh, where there is great disillusionment with the that's not a problem, you're two-party system that just exaggerating. nevertheless remains entrenched it's the same thing when last here. we're watching several summer after, you know, last third-party candidates who could

summer would have one dinner roil the conventional wisdom in the midterms. after another and would have >> i'm not going to washington people in the media, would have if we prevail to be a boot democrats, and they all had a licker for donald trump or joe story about a woke campus biden. >> reporter: he's not kidding experience. himself. people that never voted for a >> party does matter. >> reporter: he's hoping utah republican once say their children were leaving colleges voters are put it aside. >> i'm a registered independent. because they could not believe what they were not allowed to >> reporter: at least for now. >> i don't care what your party say in class. affiliation is or who you voted we heard it over and over again. for in the last election, if you are committed to the core ideals you bring that up, oh, you're a of our country -- racist. >> reporter: it's much about really? is that your response? utah as it is about the future of the republican party, one because they don't really care if you call me a racist or not. mcmullen used to call himself a i really care, though, about part of. >> there's no going home to donald trump for true conservatives. whether, you know, your clue is >> reporter: in 2015, he ran as going into elections. i'm not saying democrats are an independent for that reason, going to the lose. i'm just following up on what mike says. and lee, his now opponent, if you keep hearing that murders actually vomited for him then. are skyrocketing in philadelphia but times have changed. and you keep hearing that people >> stand with me and millions of others who want four more years. are really upset about the fact >> reporter: unlike most third party candidate, mcmullen is in that portland is just chaotic, a one-on-one race, democrats

that they have laws on the west staying out of pit it. >> i think it's important to coast where you can steal up to look at the reality of the race. a thousand dollars and they a democrat was not going to win don't charge you, maybe the the utah senate race. >> reporter: it comes as 39% of answer is not "i'm okay, you're americans say they're disillusioned with the two-party okay." maybe the answer is that the system, that nevertheless still democratic party nationally has reigns supreme. leaders coming out saying, you in ruery red utah, mcmullen's is know what, this doesn't really work. i will tell you, wisconsin ron an uphill climb but that's not unusual for candidates running for a political landscape cast johnson's way, at least in red and blue. temporarily, because democrats in wisconsin say they're using betsy johnson is running as an independent for oregon governor, barnes' own words against him on a state that's selected crime. they're using a pennsylvania democrats to the job for the last 32 years but is now rated a fetterman's words against him on crime. if fetterman loses pennsylvania, toss-up in large part because of it ain't going to be -- it's not johnson. >> i'm not a d'or an r, i'm an going to be because of dasha burns. o. i am responsible to and it's going to be about crime, and it's going to be about responsive to oregonians. >> reporter: with a message that inflation. and democrats need to get real doesn't stick to the party line. about this, and they need to >> i believe in a woman's right to bear arms and in a woman's listen -- don't listen to me, i don't really care -- listen to right to bear children when she

barack obama and what barack chooses. >> reporter: which is, of obama said on "god save america" course, the point. >> independents choose to do it this past weekend. the hard way. the two entrenched par tirrs >> or about 20 minutes ago on come with their own base of this show, an entire book on support, their own base of money. >> reporter: but that's also that, i'm not patronizing you. been enough to turn some people away. in missouri, conservative jon wood briefly entertained a bid for senate to ensure controversial republican eric there's a good case study in the greitens didn't win the seat. when he lost, wood dropped out. state of new york in the governor's race with kathy and liz cheney also toying with hochul still expected to win but an independent bid, this one for not by a margin you would expect in a blue state like new york president. >> i certainly will do whatever it takes to make sure donald with lee zeldin putting the trump isn't anywhere close to the oval office. >> reporter: but in 2022, focus on crime in new york city independents could cause big and other places across the state. election surprises. papers are filled with incidents. >> this is a political subway violence is up. realignment, what we're talking that's objectively true. about. >> reporter: even if they don't everyone has a story of stay outside the parties something they've seen or heard happen on the subway. forever. is it a temporary alignment for that stuff is real to people, so i think candidates dismiss that you? >> it's hard for me to look beyond november, to be honest. at their own peril. >> there's a congressional seat i don't know where i'll be from a party affiliation perspective, in democrat held by a democrat. you know, ten years from now. she's the incumbent, being i just have no idea. charged by a republican.

it's a nominally democratic >> reporter: willie, it's fascinating to hear mcmullen seat. three or four nights ago in there talk about the realignment bristol, connecticut, which is within the republican party, one in the district, i believe, that you and your show have police officers respond to a tracked to closely and that we domestic disturbance call and are shot to death on the front watch in congress all the time. but if you want to see the real lawn as they arrive. it may have been a setup. implications of independent bids they may have called the cops in that could roil the conventional wisdom, look no further than the order just to shoot cops. fact that the president spent the shooter was shot and killed part of his weekend campaigning himself. but that's right in your in oregon for the democrat neighborhood. that's right in your congressional district. and that has an impact. there, again, a state he won in it has real impact on people. 2020 that has a long history of >> yeah. electing democrats to the it really does. governorship and now at this and you talk about new york. point could be in jeopardy just you know, willie, eric adams ran because of the way the race has gone from a one-on-one, dem because he wanted to make new york safer. versus republican, to a one he's fighting against democratic versus one versus one, a politicians, whether it's no three-way race because of the cash bail or whether it's some strong independent candidate there. >> such an interesting look at of the other reforms he's wanted those races. ali vitali on capitol hill. to push. so, again, democrats can get thanks so much. angry. again, we're not saying -- maybe joe, this has been the elusive democrats win everything. third-party candidate we've been maybe they do. hearing about for a couple generations. okay? great. now is the time. the lane opens up the middle, but i think it's a lot closer here comes the third-party than it should be against people candidate, all those questions about getting on the ballot,

like herschel walker and ron access state by state. johnson. >> yeah. but when will a third-party >> and dr. oz. candidate actually become viable >> oh, my god. and break through the system? jd vance. mcmull season doing pretty well in utah. >> jd vance and masters because he may not not win but very competitive there. >> yeah. it's much likely in senate races of crime. you can throw the southern border in there too. in a state like utah, actually, putting your head many the sand not a great option. i've got to say, no cash bail, i than it would be run for president where obviously you mean, i heard from democrats in need to get 270 electoral votes, whatever party is in charge in new york city nonstop. the house is most likely -- if you know what, people they knew would get beaten up, get mugged. there's a three-way tie, going to whatever party is in power. the cops would come. so right now it seems a bit more they said should we press charges? i don't know because this guy -- difficult on the presidential you press charges if you want level, i suspect, when it to. they're just going to go in and happens. you know, it will be like the they come right out. if i'm hearing that from moon shot or the iphone. liberals on the upper west side, but it will be -- the right person will come along, what are people in the suburbs everything will line up, and, of philly saying, willie? >> yeah, or the suburbs of you know, they'll probably win atlanta. overwhelmingly, but i don't know this was front and center in the that that's going to happen for debate last night between quite some time. i do want to follow up quickly georgia governor brian kent and on that debate, if you're

watching the debate at home stacey abrams. they squared off last night in between mcmullen and lee, atlanta. abrams has trailed kemp in the wondering who's telling the truth. >> wow. race for governor. >> the answer is both of them. i did a quick search. the republican incumbent leading by 5.5%. luke broadwater from "the new they clashed on voting rights york times" says about lee, and policing. they appeared to break from the "text messages with mr. meadows messaging from their respective show pld lee tried several times parties with abrams painting a to offer advice and support for picture of a bleak state of the effort to overturn the affairs and kemp claiming the election, using multiple strategies, which suggested that opposite, saying the sate's trump should disassociate economy is, quote, incredible. >> our recovery has been as good himself from miss powell's false as any state in the country. claims, but even after that, he we have had two record years of vouched for kefshg lawyer john economic development because of eastman. mr. lee then endorsed a plan to our business environment, working with the general assembly. >> gang crime is up. have legislatures in, quote, a gun violence is up. very small handful of states that mr. biden won put forth housing prices have skyrocketed. equity investors have purchased pro-dump electors as part of the 30% of the homes in the state of scheme proposed by mr. eastman." georgia. we have 1.4 million people without health insurance who so, he was going off of eastman cannot see a doctor when they need one. in this false elector find. we live in a state of fear, and

this is a governor who for the last four years has beat his but he continues to write, chest but delivered very little "backed off that effort after no for most georgians. state legislature convened to >> joining us from atlanta, certify so-called alternative sahil kapur. you're reporting on two very different strategies being used electors and began criticizing by stacey abrams in that plans by ted cruz and josh governor's race versus raphael hawley, quote, i have great warnock in the senate race, both concerns about the way my friend statewide races, of course. ted is going about this effort. why are they running so mr. lee ultimately voted to confirm mr. biden's victory." differently? >> reporter: hello from atlanta, willie. this is the million-dollar question for democrats -- how do so both of them have actually -- they win statewide in a place have a point there. mike lee did entertain john like georgia? what is the right strategy to do eastman's scheme to steal the so, particularly when it's not election with fake electors, but when no electors came forward he got nervous and separated himself from hawley and cruz and ended up voting to confirm the electors. so just sort of depends on -- >> what is right and wrong at the same time. >> which story folks want to accept. >> in the closing weeks of this

campaign cycle, democratic candidates are leaning on bide on the get out the vote. but it's not that biden. it's the first lady. dr. jill biden. she is jetting coast to coast to rally voters ahead of the midterm vote. >> these fights feel enormous, and they are, but they come down to small moments, one ballot cast, one phone call to a neighbor who maybe forgot to vote. >> "the new york times" noepts that dr. biden attended 11 votes in a weekend. she's got her students. she's amazing. joining us now, white house correspondent for "the new york times," katie rogers. is this a strategy? because dr. jill biden is extremely popular, and i think she's better than she even knows

at connecting with people. >> yeah. i think it's a strategy and sort of a well-worn playbook from the 2020 campaign. campaign officials then basically treated her as the other side of -- they had two candidates, basically. they could send her across iowa, send her into homes. she, like her husband, can kind of assess a crowd and zero in on people who might seem uncertain, who have questions, and a remarkable thing about her is that she is willing to talk to people who might might not like her husband. she's willing to sort of walk out on the field at a phillies game and take the good and, you know, any criticism that might come her way. she's sort of the person who's out there in the nation sort of taking in all of it and taking that back to the president. she's doing that now. >> you know, katie, she is a huge phillies fan. >> eagles fan. sorry. she was at the eagles game. >> she's also a philadelphia phillies fan.

>> yeah. >> loves the phillies. loves baseball. >> right. >> but my question to you is how much of the fact that she has a life outside of the elite circle of the presidency -- she has a job, teaches average americans -- and how much of an impact do you think that has on the way she performs out there on the political stage? >> i mean i think that's huge. she talks about, you know, being in the classroom with students who are from all walks of life who are first generation, who are -- english is their second language. she's told me before about giving students -- helping them get book, helping them get food, granola bars, keeping those in her bag. she sort of takes in all of those stories from all walks of life, and i think, you know -- she teaches full-time two days a week and mixes that in with what she does as first lady. she's really, you know, the only person in the administration who's regularly out there in a

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today is the launch of the new global news company called semaphore, to provide different viewpoints. the ceo and co-founder ben smith joins us. great to see you. >> thanks for having me on. thanks for the promotion. i'm merely the editor.

>> we haven't seen you because you've been cooking something up. >> yes, we are. >> tell us about the name and what's behind it. >> it's an old greek word that means bearer of meaning. it's the same word in dozens of languages around the world, and we have global aspirations, sub-saharan africa in the fastest growing media markets. >> what is the opening you saw here? we talked about this in the break. despite the volume of information out there and the enumerable outlets you can get it, it is sometimes hard to find out just what happened. here's the who, what, when, where, and why, what happened, without considering the viewpoint of the person or the source delivering it. what was the objective here? >> i think we were just listening to readers, viewers who feel totally overwhelmed on one hand but amid the chaos don't know what to trust. you read a story in an outlet you like but feel like you should google it and read six others, which is a crazy way to

consume the news. we're trying to really kind of break that news article, which is a set of news and views and other assertions and company policy down and make it really transparent, literally say here's the news, here's what this reporter, who probably has a lot of expertise, actually thinks, but not in a voice of god. here is a legitimate alternative perspective. not alternative facts. goal is to find shared facts. and then recognize, what we were talking about on this show, that there are genuinely alternative views and people are going to trust you more if you recognize that, not if you treat news as an opportunity to just constantly hit people over the head with their point of view. >> what happens if i go on the site and i'm looking for what happened, as willie just indicated, am i going to find out what happened without someone's personal view of what happened? how are you going to split up opinion from the actual dmuz? >> we're going to do it totally

literally. the first part of the story will be the news and then mike's view or ben's view. then what we're really going to try hard to do is bring in other great places, not from our own stock of links but from whoever we think around the web, around journalism has something interesting to say around the world, in particular, and bring in competing viewpoints or just other relevant things on that topic so people feel like they don't have to search the whole internet. we're doing that in a fleet of news letters that i hope everybody will sign up for on semafor.com. >> you're talking about competing viewpoints. i'm wondering, is this the challenge of trying to put together more of a nonideological news site? you know, obviously chris licht, a guy we know pretty well, is struggling through that at cnn right now, getting a lot of criticism. but is that one of the goals when you talk about telling both

sides of the story? >> i mean, it's obviously an incredibly difficult, complicated ideologically charged moment, and i wouldn't actually say that, you know, most stories have exactly two sides, left and right, and you should tell both of them. i think that what you can do is break news. we broke a great story this morning about a horrible accident at spacex and you could say this is a narrow got cha story about workplace safety but it's a nuanced story about technicians who take huge risks because they're profound believers in space flight. we're trying to let that nuance in, let stories breathe, listen to what different people are saying while being very, very rigorous about the facts and the reporting. >> it's a big mountain to climb to find common facts this day and age but so important. the new global media company is called semafor.

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advancing with new search warrants. >> michael flynn's whole life is a story of culture war. >> they're godless, soulless. >> he's a living martyr. >> this idea this is spiritual warfare -- >> it's not an undertone. >> using the church as a tool. >> in corroboration with the associated press. >> what are you fighting for? >> god bless america. >> a look at the new documentary from frontline and the associated press entitled "michael flynn's holy war." the documentary follows mow the three-star general has emerged as a leader in a far-right movement that puts its brand of christianity at the center of american civic life. joining us now, associated press correspondent featured in the document i, michelle smith. thanks for being on.

so, give us a sense of what exactly michael flynn is doing right now. >> what we found is that michael flynn is very deliberately building a political movement based on christian nationalist ideas that america is a christian nation, that christianity should be institutionalized in america. he's been traveling the country. we tracked more than 60 public appearances, speeches since january 6th. he's been endorsing candidates. he endorsed around 100 candidates for this year's elections from, you know, u.s. senate all the way down to school board candidates in some cases. and he's created a network of groups that are working together to advance his agenda. and a lot of that has to do we

elections, how elections are run, and elections down to the local level. his motto is local action has national impact. >> you know, michelle, we've had quite a few guests on over the past several weeks talking about how, well, one of the biggest problems of to christian nationalism is -- actually has little to do with christianity. >> yeah. >> and we're seeing this across the west. we saw it in italy and have seen it in other countries, too, where the very people who associate themselves as christian nationalists are people who go to church less, that their christianity is more about a cultural identifier than a biblical identifier. explain that. >> yeah. that's right. and we see that in some of the events that he is doing. we spent two days at the reawaken america tour. it stopped in western new york. and this is a tour that flynn

started last year. there have been 15 cities that it's visited. it will be in pennsylvania in a couple days. it's going to be in pennsylvania in a couple days. and it's basically this two-day event that brings together christian nationalists, anti-vaxers, conspiracy theorists of various stripes. eric trump was there. roger stone was there. robert f. kennedy jr. has spoken at it in the past. and it is -- it has the feeling of -- one person i spoke to called it a pep rally on spiritual steroids. it mixes politics and religion and conspiracy theory all together. and it -- but it's also very positive feeling. there's a feeling of community and a feeling that if you're there, you're together with these other people who accept you. and then -- but then it also

fosters this feeling of us versus them. one of the things that flynn says at these events, and says frequently, is that we are in a spiritual war in america. and the idea that this is war of good versus evil. and literal evil, that there are evil people in this country who are working from the inside against the country. so mixing this idea of spiritual war together with christian nationalism many people told us is a very dangerous mixture because it's setting americans against each other. >> we've heard of general flynn since his rise to prominence under donald trump. on the one hand he was one of the best intelligence officers of his generation. on the other hand that he's sort of always been like this, what we're seeing now. what is his end game here? what is his objective?

what does he want out of this? that's a question that i asked him, actually, when i interviewed him a few months ago. and he says he wants to, you know, bring america back to constitutional principles and that sort of thing. but, you know, we talked to many people who know him and some people said, you know, he wants to get back in government. he, in his view, he wants to continue to serve. and he has suggested on stage or his supporters have even yelled out, run for vice president. that sort of thing. but what we can say for sure is he is building a movement very deliberately that brings together all these different elements. there are republican officials in this movement, republican party officials. he, himself, has just joined the sarasota county, florida republican executive committee.

so he's putting in place all these little building blocks towards building his own influence within the party. >> associate press correspondent michelle smith, thank you so much. "michael flynn's holy war" premiers tonight on pbs and is available to stream on pbs.org. >> you will know them by their fruits jesus said. and this version of christianity that he pushes out there, which, of course, is just absolute nonsense, is pro -- it's pro-putin. he has pro-putin quotes and says that he's a strong leader and that they're fighting for everything. and he calls zelenskyy a dangerous fool, and he does that on qanon. so, yes, his version of christianity is supporting somebody that right now is using

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sit down sent shock waves around washington. in her new book "black women will save the world" april ryan describes the challenges of being the longest serving and sometimes only black female white house correspondent. and she speaks with black women now about how they were able to overcome and thrive in a system designed to keep them out. and joining us now, washington d.c. bureau chief for the grio, april ryan. congratulations on the book. thank you for writing it and we're so glad that you've come here to talk about it. i want to hear what you heard from the women who talk about in your book about how they learn to overcome a system designed to really stack things against them. what's some of the best advice you got? >> some of the best advice i have received from some of those women, mika, was keep going no matter what, because a community

needs, church needs, schoolhouse needs, the home needs us. that was one of the biggest pieces. one of the people i talked to is stacey abrams, who is fighting for her political life in georgia right now. i talked to her about her win, from changing georgia from red to blue. that's one of the reasons she's fighting now because she was a winner. and a lot of times we fight and we get the wins but people do not recognize it or mock the moment. that's one of the reasons she's in this fierce battle now, why the world is watching her because she did the unthinkable. that's what a lot of black women do, the unthinkable. and make it seem like it's no big deal because we do it with such grace and we've been doing it since the inception of black women in this nation. >> talk about the challenges you face and the unthinkable things that you've been able to accomplish. >> me, joe. okay. some of the unthinkable things. making 25 years.

could you imagine a couple of years ago when all of that fire was happening, i was working, not knowing that 25 years would be here. that i would be named the longest serving black woman journalist in the white house history. under unimaginable and unthinkable circumstances i made it through. that's what we do. we see what's ahead of us. and just keep moving because we have to. and it's not about me and for a lot of these women, black women who just keep working and keep marching and rise and no one marks it, we do it because we have to and it's intrinsic within our spirit. >> i want to know what you were thinking when president trump told you to sit down. tell me what you were really thinking -- >> mika. >> -- and is that one of the reasons you've written this book? tell us why you wrote the book. what were you thinking? >> let me tell you first, i'm not going to spoil the tease.

>> okay. >> but first of all, i wrote this book because a couple of years ago many black women wereville fused. many strong black women were vilified. this is why i'm speaking about black women today from maxine waters, to stacey abrams to kamala harris to so many others. i was vilified. that was one of the most ugly moments i have seen. i'm a grown woman, a mother, i could be a grandmother. i have standing in the community and for someone to tell me to sit down as if i was a school child, it was awful. in that moment you have to remember, it was four years ago, we were talking about the midterm elections at that time. and i was asking about voter suppression, and i said, sir, can you talk about voter suppression. he could hear me and off mic he

said i'll tell you about voter suppression. i got your voter suppression. so i stood up because he acknowledged it. and then he told me to sit down. then i'm like wait a minute, you called on me. then next thing he tells me to sit down, sit down. and then the next day they