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live with representative jayapal, who's chair of the progressive caucus. we have a lot to ask her about with just three weeks left until the midterm elections. but first, during the second half of the presidency and even since he's been out of office, donald trump has been obsessed with a man named john durham. >> i look forward to but durham 's report, that's the one i look forward. >> what happened to durham, was there? >> and by the way, where is there, what happened? where is he? he disappeared. >> trump was obsessed with john durham, we'll call him bowl -- john durham, because he was the guy who's gonna prove that once and for all, the entire trump russia investigation was a hoax, exactly as trump has always set. justice was coming, and it's

just around the corner. john durham had been handpicked by trump's attorney general, bill barr, for expressly that purpose. trump's allies and the right-wing media were obsessed with durham as well. he was going to blow the lid off the whole russia hoax conspiracy. people were going to go to jail. people like hillary clinton, joe biden and barack obama, they would all be locked up next to john durham. but the months and years ticked by, and john durham produced nothing. not for a lack of trying, chumps attorney general, bill barr, put so much pressure on john barron to produce some

kind of result before the 2020 election, that durham's top aide resigned rather than be part of such a politicized investigation. john durham did manage to get one guilty plea from a single fbi agent on a tiny ten central charge, and that agent got a use probation. when that happened, that permission, republican senator lindsey graham at the time, the chair of the senate judiciary committee at the time, he proclaimed, quote, the wheels of justice attorney, and he added, quote, more to come, more to come. earlier this year, nearly three years after john durham started investigating, donald trump

said durham was close to exposing the crime of the century. a few months later, john durham finally brought a case to trial. but it was not to charge the members of the obama administration or the fbi for doing dastardly, nefarious things didn't trump, there are lodged a single charge against a lawyer connected to hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, one extremely tenuous charge of lying to the fbi, that the fbi lying, the fbi being lied to, as in the fbi was the victim in all this. it took a jury just six hours to unanimously acquit that layer of any wrongdoing. john durham finally had his moment in court, that he lost. badly -- the jury forewoman told reporters outside the court aspect, unquote, i think we could have spent her time or

wisely. ouch -- today, but john durham second and likely final prosecution and it. you know what, he did slightly better. this time, it took the jury a whole nine hours rather than six to fully acquit durham's target of all four charges against him. spare a moment to marvel at the how astonishing this is, even statistically. federal prosecutors almost never lose cases when they go to trial. their success rate is over 80%. and yet, john durham managed not just to lose but to lose twice. the other remarkable thing about palatial is that john durham lost, the then john durham lost, his defense the the call any witnesses, not one because they did not need to. dom charged the defendant in

this case, igor than zhengzhou, of several accounts of lying to the fbi in connection to the trump russia investigation. side note, the fbi was lied to here, which is opposite of the fbi line. during the trial, durham's own fbi witnesses testified to dancing construe fullness, germs on witnesses. in fact, they said that ancient was a model informant, whose information had aided them in dozens of investigations, and they said losing thing zhengzhou as an informant damaged national security. now why did the fbi used engine go as an informant? because trump's attorney general bill barr out of him. to make trump happy, barr ended over sensitive russia investigation documents to, who else? the wheels of justice are turning, senator lindsey

graham. graham promptly mid them public, and then dentures fbi identity was revealed. it was senator graham who said that the wheels of justice returning and that there is more to come from the durham investigation. turns out the more to come part was a revelation that john durham had nothing. when the investigation that was supposedly uncovering the crime of the century and it today not with a bang but with a whimper. or perhaps, a set -- joining us now is matt miller, former chief spokesperson for the justice department in the obama administration. matt, thank you for being with me tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> so, there's a lot to unpack here, but what stuck out to me, and i am sure that you got a sense of it at the beginning of the segment is that the charges that he filed all actually ended up painting the fbi as a victim.

now, setting aside the fact that the defendants were acquitted on all these charges, this idea that the fbi was part of some conspiratorial web to undermine the trump administration, was not even something john durham tried to prove in court. >> i think that really is the big takeaway. if you look at the investigation began, it was bill barr trying to prove what donald trump has long claimed, that an investigation into him started because a political bias of the fbi, and that he was the victim of a witch hunt. that was the reason that this investigation was begun in the first place, despite the fact that the department of justice inspector general adam investigated these very claims are found that there is no truth to them, but that's why john durham was appointed. he never even brought a charge to try to sustain that case, let alone be successful in court, as you very wisely point out. all of these charges of the fbi being lied to, not the fbi lying about donald trump. from the beginning, an investigation that was stood up to pursue conspiracy theories, and you can pursue conspiracy theories in the right-wing media. you can legal out of right wing conspiracies -- but you had to prove them in court if you are going to work with the justice department. john durham was never able to provide sufficient evidence even bring charges that he could take the court. >> ironically, the only group that was damaged was the fbi national security, because we lost danchenko as a model informant. >> yeah, i think that goes to the dereliction of duty that we saw from bill barr the entire time he was ag, where he

constantly put the interest of donald trump ahead of the interest of the justice department, ahead of national security, ahead of the interest of the u.s., all the way up to his final days in office, where he could not do any more freedom from banquet.

right up until then, it's consistent with the way he behaved, where he was constantly ignoring the advice of career officials, constantly overturning recommendations to take public actions that would benefit the former president, even if they were widely inconsistent with the interest of justice or the interest of the united states. >> is this over now, matt? the grand jury has been excused, it sounds like an all this. it's john durham's handiwork, has it come to a close? >> his cases are over. i think it's clear that you're not bring any more charges in this investigation, but one of the requirements for special counsel under the regulations

is that they write a confidential report and submitted to the attorney general, and the attorney general then makes a decision whether to release that report to the public. i think merrick garland will be under a lot of pressure from republicans to release that report, but i have to say, this circumstance is very different from the mueller investigation, where obviously, the attorney general bill barr, they've released that report. it's different because in that case, the subject of that investigation could not be charged, so it was appropriate for the department to make its findings public, so congress could decide whether to impeach and convict the then sitting president. that is not the case here, so to release a report in this incidents, given what we know about the way that durham has behaved, some of his inappropriate public statements learned investigation. the poor judgments he has made in bringing these charges, to

release a report publicly and let him have the final word, i think probably unfairly tarnish some people at the fbi that we know he holds a will to, based on some of the things he said in this most recent trial. so i think the attorney general would be wise to take a pause before releasing that report, maybe let another senior career official at the justice department review it and decide whether john durham really is the person that gets to have the final word on the russian investigation. >> you think that marilyn can

do that though, matt, given the enormous amount of scrutiny that the doj is under in terms of its investigation into generous six, and the trump documents scandal down at mar-a-lago, how is this even going to be a choice for maryland, because of the pressure that is going to be on him in terms of the right-wing calling for transparency? >> he can ignore the presser if he wants to ignore it. what he would not be able to ignore is a subpoena from congress. the house knows change hands, and republicans control the committee, the undoubtedly summit a subpoena for this report, and he would eventually have to turn it over. but it does not have to be the last word. lots of times in the past, there's ample precedent for this, when reports like this have been returned by the justice department, the leadership decides whether that actually reflects their view. john durham does not get to be the final arbiter of what they just department beliefs, so it would be appropriate for maryland to other review it and come up with this conclusions or more appropriately, referred to a senior official that has been done in the past. let that individual review it and decide whether he believes that the conclusions that john durham as jon, conclusions which we know at least into public cases have been rejected by jury's are the conclusions that the justice department in it's considered wisdom actually agrees with and was let stand before the public. >> i got to say, the election was not fraudulent. john durham found nothing, there is no witch hunt, and yet, all of those claims are still repeated despite the fact that they have been debunked by trump and his right-wing allies. i guess i wonder, we now know that there really had nothing, the jury decided twice as much. where does this leave us politically? do you think that trump is still gonna be talk about term? i was still going to be hearing but determined estimation on

fox news? i wonder in this day in age, how much the actual veracity of things truly matters when you're talking about the game of republican political football? >> i am sure that they will continue to talk about it. the thing with conspiracy theories is that you can ever prove them wrong to people who want to believe them. that is the troubling thing about this appointment in the first place and the thing that made is so cynical in the first place. it ultimately does not matter to some extent what john berm -- of course, it matters to people paying attention and want to find the actual facts and believe in the truth, but you can't take that all the fox news cable segments that ran over the past two years. you can't take back the thousands of new stories that were written by the right-wing media that have advanced the slide that the mueller investigation was founded on bias and did not find anything. and to some extent, even though durham did not prove anything, the investigation set that will intended to do and that was to smear bob mueller, smear the justice department, smear the fbi and call into question a very good work that they did in the russian investigation and the findings and convictions that they won in federal court. >> one last question for you, matt, a subject of perennial interest and intrigue, steele dossier. to a lot of people, it's been discredited. most people say it's been discredited to some degree, but we just learned that one of the prime minister says for eight, igor danchenko is a source with sterling credentials. are there any implications are in princes that we can draw about the ferocity of the steele dossier from that? congresswoman camilla jayapal joins us live to talk about how democrats are planning to stop him. some days, it felt like asthma was holding me back. but asthma has taken enough. so i go triple...

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are calling their commitment to america. an economy that's strong, a nation that's safe, a future that's built on freedom and a government that is accountable. those vague platitudes is what the house republican caucus rolled out as a platform last night. the fine pride print in their plan to america doesn't have much else to, some other parts are little more specific, like

saying congress will ensure only women can compete in women 's sports. or saying they will protect the lives of unborn children. even then the, platform doesn't really explain how the party explains how to do that if they take control of the house next month. but if you look at what republican leaders are saying, well then they are being quite clear, and their plans are very dark. back in 2011, republicans used the threat of financial collapse as part of their negotiations with president obama, and now republicans are planning to do it all over again. today in an interview with punchbowl news, house micah can cause the said if a take control of the house, there -- quote, we will provide you more money, but you've got to change your current behavior. mccarthy was wise enough to deflect when asked specifically what he had in mind as far as the spending cuts but, the four contenders for the house party budget chairman have been more

upfront. all four told bloomberg last week told a teased to use the debt crosses hostile technique to get work requirements for safety nets like food stamp program. raising the eligibility age for social security and medicare and restricting access to food for our country's most impoverished people, those are all deeply unpopular ideas. but the theory here is that that does not matter. republicans are saying that if they take the house, it will give democrats an option. cut social safety net or republicans will destroy the global economy on purpose. it is totally bonkers, but it is real and the republicans are not hiding it. they are saying out loud exactly what they're planning to do if they take power and everyone should start listening. in the same interview, today

macarthy, foreshadowed the ukrainian military might be at stake if the republicans take the house. he said quote, i can't be a blank check. that threat to cut off military aid to our ally in ukraine as a fights off an invasion from vladimir putin's russia, that drew the following response from liz cheney's evening. >> i know that i can say i was surprised but i think it's really disgraceful that today minority leader mccarthy suggested that if the republicans get the majority back, that we will not continue to provide support to the ukrainians. >> disgraceful maybe, but not exactly surprising. early last year, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene was kicked off all of her committee assignments in the house for spreading hateful and violent conspiracy theories. mccarthy has pledged not just to give marjorie taylor greene back her assignments if he takes power, but potentially give her better committee

assignments. after the fbi raided former president trump's mar-a-lago home in august, mccarthy tweeted that attorney general merrick garland should preserve documents and clear his calendar. mccarthy vowed to investigate the justice department. top republican member and the house and says he plans to hold investigations in the u.s. withdrawal from of afghanistan. the top republican on the oversight committee wants to open a security investigation into hunter biden. he also wants to open an investigation into anthony fauci for some reason. the republican plan for congress at least while joe biden's president is the turn it into his new. as it with an active economic crisis where nothing can really get done. republicans know they can't really outlaw abortion. president biden has said he will veto it. they know they can't really do all sorts of things, but they would have the power to investigate and they would have the power of the purse. the plan seems to be to use both of those to sow chaos. joining us now is the chair of

the progressive caucus, washington congresswoman pramila jayapal. it's a thrill to have you here, even if the subject matter is depressing. >> it is dark but it's great to be with you. >> my first question is, i know the democrats have been running ahead of these midterms with the message that what joe biden has done broadly in terms of jobs in the economy and the threat that women are facing, families are facing everywhere in terms of reproductive choice. to think democrats have painted a strong enough picture of the chaos that awaits in november and beyond if republicans take back the house. >> i think, we are finding out every day more and more of the cast that they will create because they're putting it on the table. like you said, they are not hiding it. we will see more investigations like durham's investigation. we will see the justice department politicized. we will see all of the programs that really matter to all of the people across the country particularly in this moment where people are struggling

with the high cost of living. cutting social security and medicare? two of the most popular programs in the history of this country. and having a party that is really about saying no to the american people, using congress as a hostage site which is what he's talking about. we have seen this over and over again. when democrats have been in power, we have voted to raise the debt ceiling, and we haven't tied it to policy because we understand that the entire country needs the debt ceiling to be raised. for kevin mccarthy saying so clearly that he plans to hold everything hostage, to put politics over people and to be a party that is controlled by extreme maga republicans has got to be part of the message this november. >> i remember in 2018 there was a lot happening in terms of impeachment. but when you went to those important swing districts across the house, the message in, a message of discipline was quite good. democrats were talking about the aca, they were talking about pre-existing conditions.

they were actually talking about a lot of other things that would be more politically expedient and it worked. i guess my question is, that doesn't seem to be the same message that democrats are using right now. is there time to change it in the remaining weeks? also, why does kevin mccarthy think that this message works? why do republicans feel that they can talk about slashing medicare and social security and not pay a price for? it >> well, they lost because when we are talking about health care, they were talking about crazy things, people said you're talking about crazy things, we're not gonna vote for you, will vote for our economic interests. i think now they have been taken over. they are the party the big lie, the party of the cult, of donald trump. they are the party of people

who do not identify with liz cheney. it's crazy now. we are talking about it. we are talking about it in a slightly different way. we are saying freedom is on the ballot, freedom to vote is on the ballot, freedom for economic securities on the ballot, freedom for our democracy is on the ballot. i think that it's a very diverse set of things the people care about right now, so you have to focus on the economics, because that's always one of the key things the people are focusing on. we've got a high cost of living right now, we've got global inflation, rates that are still high. people are still thinking about that. we've got a focus on abortion because we know it is a driver for people across this country, particularly women. and we've got to focus on our democracy. i think that's kind of the way we have been looking at it. they are letting us show the american people the chaos that they will create and the fact that they are not interested in helping people have better

lives. >> can i ask you about the threats to democracy? there's new polling out today that says 71% of respondents, it's called him generically american believed that american democracy is currently under threat, but at the same time almost 40% of them say they would be comfortable voting for a candidate who says that the 2020 election was stolen. what does that tell? you >> it's a really tough environment. the problem is, we are talking about fascism at our door. what people unfortunately across this country, and what we are dealing with is that people don't believe the truth. they are being sold lies all the time. there isn't a premium placed on truth by political candidates. somebody said to me last night,

how do you get people to actually tell the truth on television when they are talking? i said, this is the challenge, they are not doing the. so a lot of people have been sold a bill of goods, and that's the 40% who feel like, maybe there was something that i heard is true when it is clearly not. it doesn't matter alex. we've got 60% of the country that is still clear about what the threats are in front of us. we only have to win 51% in all of these places. so i think, i just came from georgia, michigan, minnesota, i'm going to know mexico >> you're everywhere. >> i'm going to rural areas. i'm on college campuses. what i can tell you is that people are dealing with a lot of fear and uncertainty about their lives and livelihoods. i think we need to be acknowledging that, we need to talk about the price gouging because they see it of these big oil companies who make tens of billions of dollars of profit even as gas prices are still high. or even the food monopolies, the agro businesses that are big monopolize are minting money as food prices go up.

we have to show both what we have done. lowest unemployment in over half a century, cancel college debt, did the child tax credit to help people. republicans ended it. if we are back in office with control, we will continue to take care of peoples economic costs and equally important, we will actually have a democracy for peoples votes matter and their freedoms matter. >> there is a lot of negative things to talk about in terms of what is on the horizon. there is one positive piece of news and it's a fellow asian american sister i will draw everyone's attention to it. today u.s. mint announced that the late asian american actress and they will be the first asian american to be folk focused on a piece of american currency. and was piece of legislation passed by your congress and barbara lee, it's high time! >> it is so past time. it is so exciting to be here with you on this show with your historic role. >> and your historic role! >> to have us on corridors >> and the money -- >> feels like just a huge thing and i want to call out barbara lee because she's my sister in

the struggle and she understands what this means to recognize the role of diverse women throughout our history who are often left out of the history book. >> it's true, and i will say it's not unlocked, greater represents station and the push factor we are looking in certain parts of the country about inclusiveness. but they are minting. it chairwoman of the progressive caucus, it's always good to see you thank you for your time and good luck to you. out there we have much more ahead this hour. we've talked about how florida ron desantis political stunt with venezuelan migrants is starting to backfire. but what about the stunt to arrest people who thought they could vote? up next. what republicans are not doing about white supremacy. stay with us. this is going to be great. taking the shawl off.

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agrees with. some sicko got this information that he is peddling, again, with those extremist that he runs around with, marjorie taylor greene, ted cruz, all these guys, they want to stop this racial violence. we're tired of it, j. d.. this kid goes to a grocery store in buffalo, where black people shop and shoots them up. no, we want to move on from that. everyone is exhausted. >> senate candidate and democratic congressman tim ryan pressed this point that is

opponent j. d. vance has previously spoken against immigration to the u.s. by invoking the language of white replacement theory. that theory is predicated on the idea of white extinction, the idea that white americans will be replaced by a non-white population, one that will extinguish white culture and tradition. the conspiracy theory is also antisemitic, many of its components falsely claiming that the jewish political ball is behind the order to achieve power. the theory uses the language of immigrant invasion and voter replacement to try to scare people into believing this ridiculous conspiracy, and now we are hearing echoes of this language repeatedly in this midterm campaign cycle. candidates like j. d. vance, his surrogate marjorie taylor greene and arizona senate candidate, blake masters, has all use that language about the

invasion and coming armageddon of non whites to campaign for national office. >> we have an invasion in this country because a very powerful people in richer and more powerful because of it. >> joe biden's 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, replacing your jobs and replacing your kids in school. coming from all over the world, they are also replacing your culture. and that's not great for america. >> the democrats want to flip this country with illegal aliens. if you connect the dots as a candidate for office and say, obviously, the democrats, they hope to just change the demographics of our country. they hope to import an entirely new electorate. man, they call you a racist. >> that language carries a lot of weight. it is dangerous and it has proven deadly to some non-white people in this country, but it has become an essential part of some republican campaigns with no punishment from party leadership. joining us now is doctor katz been -- a slushy professor at northwestern university and author of bring the war home, the white power movement and paramilitary america. professor, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> so, it feels from the outside that immigration has basically become a vehicle to convey the what replacement theory. you think that is accurate? that is what a feels like the conversation has devolved to, at least on the right? >> yeah, one way to understand replacement theory is that it comes out of a set the fringe

ideologies. this is the idea on the edges of our politics in the recent pass an earlier in the 20th century. the way it works is that it connects all of these different social issues that we usually think of us sort of capital c conservative through the lens of white reproduction, particularly, do the birth of white children in a hyper focus on the white birth rate. so immigration becomes a concern because a large number of people coming in my outnumber the white population and the country, but then also abortion is a concern because it might lower the white birth rate. feminism is a concern because women are at the home, that might lower the white birth rate, and then we see a whole bunch of other issues like opposing gay rights, opposing transgender movements, opposing close contact with communities of color, all of these become seen as the same kind of threat. >> you know the other piece of immigration, is that allows republicans to vilify people of color using the term outsider, even though the effects of that racist languages filled by communities of color that are

native to this country, right? >> yeah, and a lot of communities that have been here for a long time. one thing that was striking with the j. d. vance the bit is that his defense was, of course, i would not do that because i have this biracial family. i have these for little children, i get threats against my family, but the thing is that this language is dangerous for a whole bunch of children, not just those children. this language allows attacks -- we have a near past history that has a record of violent attacks on people using this idea, and we have a whole century of vigilantism and other kinds of anti immigrant violence that has been enabled by this exact kind of thinking. >> to what degree is a cyclical? we talk about what happened in the earlier part of the 20th century, stephen miller, the architect of trump's immigration policies and a fan of president covering coach immigration act of 1924, which was effectively, is a law based on eugenics. is it just a matter of demographic change that this kind of the general and poison rhetoric springs up, or are we at an apex point that is unparalleled in modern american

history? >> as a historian, i am contractually obligated to say that we are off the map, contractually. we have too many different factors at play at this point to draw any true historical pro, but what i can say is as somebody who has studied extremist movements and the klan, one, the kind of context we should be looking to in the 1920s one that anti-immigration legislation was passed, that was also the peak prior to know of clan activity and clan violence. that was one 4 million people or 10% of the state of indiana were in the klan. it was totally, socially acceptable. we had pictures of clansmen marking down the national mall with roads and hoods and their faces in plain view. they were doing sunday school picnics and church pageants and business campaigns. that is where we are in extremism. it's in our mainstream, it's in our politics, and it's going to be incredibly difficult to extricate from her. >> you mentioned how intersectional it is, and it seems impossible to excise that from the broader conservative

platform at this stage of the game. >> well, the concerning thing is when we see this kind of mainstreaming without a back step, it is not that somebody has accidentally picked up an idea and saying, oops, a used extremist rhetoric. it's that people are using it in ways that are meant to be possibly deniable, a bit here, as the puck there, but as we see in the clip set, this is a coordinated campaign, or people are using this idea across the republican campaigns. it's incredibly alarming if you live in a society that is interested in the rule of law by fair election, because this means that extremist groups that previously had been targeting our populations to mass casualty attacks and individual acts of terror, are now also making attacks on our institutions themselves. >> well, it's good to talk to you about it, and it's good to talk about what is happening. that's the first up, right? cat burn belew, an associate professor at northwestern university and author of

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