law in four regions that russia claims to have annexed. we'll get a live report from ukraine straight ahead. but willie, to our top story now. >> we begin this hour in florida and last night's debate in the race for senate between republican incumbent marco rubio and democratic congresswoman val demings. let's bring in nbc's shaquille brewster, live from palm beach, florida. shaq, how did it go last night? >> there were sparks flying. we saw insults, there were interruptions and even dramatic moments that even frankly both of the candidates had throughout the night. but the biggest thing we saw was a clear contrast between the democratic candidate. this was a race that going into it, we saw many of these attacks telegraphed in the weeks and months ahead of this debate.

if you look at the campaign ads, look at some of the interviews they were giving, the level of contention that you saw between the two, when they had their one and only opportunity to respond to these attacks directly and head on, neither of them held back. i want you to see a sample example on those interactions. >> the extremist is congresswoman demmings. she supports no restrictions of any kind. >> how gullible do you really think florida voters are? number one, you have been clear that you support no exceptions, even including rape and incest. how long would you watch, people being gunned in fourth grade, sixth grade, high school,

college, church, synagogue, a movie theater, a mall and a nightclub and do nothing? >> well, everything has done nothing to stop any of these shooters. no one here is in favor of mass shootings and violence. she's never passed a single bill. she's been in congress for over half a decade, not a single bill she's passed has ever become law. i'm proud of the fact that we did nit a bipartisan way. >> that's not true. i know the senator, and look, i'm really disappointed in you, marco rubio, because i don't -- i think there was a time when you did not lie in order to win. i don't know what happened to you. you know that is not true. >> this was a debate that aired in all of florida's major television markets, so there is an opportunity there. there is a chance that many voters saw these candidates

head-on for the first time, obviously, but really got a chance to listen to them and make their arguments in full, in a rare opportunity. but remember, this is florida, it's an increasingly conservative state. the margin in this race is tighter than many people suspected. the real clear politics average polling shows about a 5% margin, which is tighter than what you see at the gubernatorial level, so democrats feel that they may have some opportunity here, but they know the reality in florida, democrats have not done well in this state, on a statewide basis, for some time. so that debate performance could move the needle, but some still skeptical. >> senator rubio definitely has a lead there, but he is certainly being pushed by congresswoman demmings. shaquille brewster in florida for us. let's bring in executive director for republicans of the rule of law. she's the publisher of the bulwark. sarah has conducted focus groups recently in georgia,

pennsylvania, and arizona. sarah, good morning. it's good to see you. we heard a lot of the themes. and this debate we've heard in debates and states where you did your focus groups, talking about abortion, talking about crime, talking about immigration, what do you find broadly in your focus groups and those key states where you talk to people. where is the focus? is it as much the economy as it seems to be everywhere? >> it is the economy. when you ask people, how things are going in the country, they always start by talking about inflation. they talk about jobs, crime is increasingly an issue that you hear about. interestingly, abortion is often not what they say at the top when they're talking about their main concerns. and you see that reflected in the polling. but what is interesting, when it gets to individual candidates. you ask people, which candidates they like or don't like, when it comes to the republicans, oftentimes the swing voters, people who voted for trump in '16 and then voted for biden in

2020, one of the main reasons they cite that they won't vote for the republican is their extreme position on abortion. it's really interesting how it won't be a top concern, but it will often for swing voters be a defining concern. abortion will be, in part because it sort of layers into the way that they perceive a candidate's extremism, you know, for people like doug mastmasria in pennsylvania or blake masters in arizona, that's the reason they cite about why they won't vote for them. >> so mike barnicle, it's so fascinating. inflation does keep coming up at the top of all the issues. we talk to stacey abrams about it. i asked her a question, you follow it up. and you know, i had said that i never had to worry about this when i was running, because a generation of politicians didn't. and thank god, because how do you explain to a voter, well, you see, actually the reason why inflation sat 8.2% here, 10% in

britain, all over is, well, you had covid, you had the government coming to the rescue of americans suffering from covid, they threw trillions of dollars at the problem, because that's all they knew how to do. people had $2 million on the sidelines because they couldn't spend that much during covid. you had china's zero-covid policy that screwed up the supply chain. you've got the war in ukraine -- you've got all of these going on, and how in the world does a member of congress, how does even a governor say, this is what i'm going to do to reverse the impact of all of these global issues. it's global inflation and there's so many things that politicians can do. a lot of it is just timing. are you in -- say, jimmy carter,

are you president when interest rates go up to 20%? if so, bad news. >> you know, joe, there's no doubt about it. stacey abrams who was on with us about 45 minutes ago, trying to discuss and explain what she could do as governor, to help fight inflation, gas prices, food prices, not much. the perception about the economy is almost as critical right now as the reality of the economy. if you pass by malls, they're packed. i mean, people are out shopping. they have money, because of the covid funds, a large part of it because of the covid funds that they got and put away. now they're spending it. yet the critical elements of the economy don't involve perception. they involve standing in line at a grocery store. and you know the cost of milk has gone up, the cost of bread, the cost of eggs, et cetera. they've all gone up. and that hurts anyone running for office, especially the democrats. but i think, you know, sarah, there's a larger -- there's a

larger issue that's more mystifying to many people than the reality of what you pay at the grocery store and the gas station. and that is, how many republican candidates are running for office denying the fact, the fact of the 2020 election victory of joseph r. biden? how do you explain that? >> well, let me put it to you this way. one of the things that i'm finding that is so interesting in the focus groups and that i think is going to be a defining feature of 2022 is how many of these swing voters plan on splitting their vote. let me give you two key examples. so, in a state like pennsylvania and in a state like georgia, both of which are likely to be determinative in terms of who controls the senate, so in pennsylvania, for example, you've got a governor in josh shapiro, a gubernatorial candidate, and every swing voter i've talked to is voting for josh shapiro. they are not going street for doug mastriano, the election

denier, the guy who bused people to january 6th. but when it comes to the senate, i see a lot of these swing voters have been moving towards oz and away from john fetterman. so those voters are looking to split their ticket. in georgia, it's the opposite. you've got republican governor brian kemp, where a lot of these swing voters see him standing up to trump and certifying the election, as one of the reasons that they think that he's doing a good job and they're willing to vote for him. but on the other hand, the republican senatorial candidate, herschel walker, they were for the most part not going street for. it was a total split in the group, going kemp/warnock. and you can see in this states like ohio, where republican governor mike dewine, there's a lot of people -- he's running away with that race. and yet it's dead even between tim ryan and j.d. vance. and so you see a lot of split-ticket voters there. and so that's just -- you know, split ticket voting has been on the decline as polarization has

hardened voters, but because so many of these candidates are so extreme, you're seeing more voters splitting their ticket. >> all right, publisher of "the bulwark" and host of the focus group podcast, sarah longwell, thank you very much. we'll see you again soon. by the way, we have our focus group happening right now in pennsylvania and elise jordan will join us tomorrow to bring that to us. >> that will be great. >> i look forward to it. turning now to ukraine where its citizens are facing shortages of water, electricity, and heat following russia's bombardments of both civilian targets and infrastructure. ukrainian president zelenskyy said yesterday that since october 10th, russian attacks have destroyed 30% of ukraine's power stations and caused massive blackouts across the country. a ukrainian government minister says over 400 sites in ukraine have been struck in that time, including 45 energy facilities. many of the attacks hit thermal

energy plants that generate steam for heating homes and businesses. residents are being urged to conserve water and energy while businesses are turning off illuminated signs and billboards as the country braces for entrance into what will be the eighth month of war, willie. >> meanwhile, the commander of the russian invasion said his army might face, quote, hard decisions about its tenuous hold over the strategically important region of kherson. it was the first major city to fall to russian forces back in march. "the new york times" reports that the top russian commander in ukraine acknowledged the situation in kherson has been, quote, difficult, after the ukrainian army damaged two key connections to other russian-occupied territory. ukrainian forces have been moving slowly toward that region's capital, as part of a counteroffensive, intended to drive russian troops back over the dnipro river. the russian-installed deputy governor in the region announced thousands of civilians would be

evacuated immediately, warning a battle for the city could start in the near future. and moments ago, russian president vladimir putin announced he is imposing martial law in four ukrainian regions illegally annexed by russia. let's bring in nbc news correspondent cal perry who is live in kyiv. cal, what more can you tell us? >> hey, willie, good morning. that announcement coming in just sort of the last 90 minutes. vladimir putin announcing that martial law. what happened earlier in the day in kherson may have been part of this. in kherson earlier today, the ukrainian residents were informed that they were going to be moved. they were going to be moved towards russia, towards the other side of the dnipro river. according to ukrainian officials, this is a mass abduction. if we look at what is happening on the ground, you can see ukrainian forces are starting to make their way into that city and what is becoming clear is that russia may be facing a battlefield defeat, but doesn't want to face a defeat in public. that is, it's hard to liberate a town if nobody is left there.

so russia is forcibly moving these people towards mainland russia. this is something we've seen play out in the southern part of the country since the war began and specifically since ukrainian forces have made this push both in the eastern part of the country and in the southern part of the country. here in the capital, another wave of attacks. we've been hearing explosions all day long. seven or eight explosions in just the past two hours. it is again the energy infrastructure that is being targeted. and the numbers here of the drones that russia are using are pretty astonishing. in just the past month, ukrainian officials telling us that more than 230 drones have been shot out of the sky. today alone, ten drones shot out of the sky. six out of eight cruise missiles shot out of the sky, but two of them reaching targets here and around the city, and more often than not as you're watching this video play out in front of you, what happens when they miss these infrastructure targets is they hit residential areas, and that is what is causing a great deal of damage and death here in the capital, guys. >> cal, it's just

indiscriminate. they're falling on, as you say, residential targets, on civilian targets. what is it like to be in the city? this is an entirely new threat to have these iranin drones, as you said, flying in, 230 of them shot down in the last month. god knows how many total have been shot. what is it like to live under that? >> reporter: it's relentless. i think there's an exhaustion that's setting into this city. this is now day nine of a city waking up every day to the sound of explosions. and these are different explosions than we've ever heard. these drones fly low, they make a loud noise. you can see them coming. people are firing their guns into the air at times at these drones. they impact buildings just in this kamikaze style, almost in a dive-bombing style. so they flutter into the city and they'll kind of kick up in the air and dive straight down. it is very, very scary, because people had returned to this city, tried to bring their kids back to this city. schools were starting again.

we tried three days in a row to get to a school to talk to young kids about living under fire. and every day we tried to get there, school was canceled. so what was becoming a normal life here is being interrupted. and it's clear that russia is trying to bring the battlefront to the home front. overhanging all of it is tomorrow, it's going to be much, much colder here. and there are large parts of this city without power, without heat. the decision that families are having to make, under the sounds of explosions is, do we pick up? do we leave again? do we flee of other side of europe, guys? >> have already been through so much. nbc's cal perry from kyiv for us today, cal, thanks so much. guys, these are the irani drones. and just yesterday we learned that iran have promised more surface-to-surface missiles, more drones to help russia in its invasion of ukraine. >> well, you know, it is amazing what we've heard from across the world, the understanding that once again, america is a

guarantor of freedom. there are vicious assaults against the ukrainian people, assaults against western democracy. putin understands the stakes that if ukraine moves more to the west, moves more to europe, that's a massive defeat for his authoritarian vision of how russia should be run and how europe should be run. it's a battle of ideas. and you know, unfortunately, you have house minority leader kevin mccarthy saying, actually, that if republicans win in the next three weeks, then, well, they may not fund -- they may not fund ukraine. in next month's midterms, if they win, mccarthy says that they're probably going to oppose more aid to ukraine. and in a review, mccarthy suggested that americans want congress to focus on issues closer to home, saying this, quote, i think people are going to be sitting in a recession, they're not going to be able to write a blank check to ukraine.

they just aren't going to do it. as if, as if -- like, there's a choice here. as if -- i mean, as if we as americans are going to turn russia over -- turn europe over to russia. turn ukraine over to russia. >> and that won't come back to us at some point. >> yeah, exactly. >> idiot. >> kevin mccarthy lining up not with ronald reagan, not with margaret thatcher, lining up with donald trump. a man who wanted to destroy nato. a man who had absolute contempt that followed in ronald reagan's vision of pushing back against russian authoritarianism. it's really, it's not stunning. >> it's despicable. >> because we're seeing it in focus groups that used to be supportive of the

thatcher/reagan view of the world. >> an honest view, by the way. an honest view. he's not being honest. >> and by the way, your dad lined up with this. fighting against then communist totalitarianism, russian expansionism. and now you have kevin mccarthy who's in the surrender caucus. he's in the surrender caucus along with a think tank, i'm not even going to mention their name, it's so disgusting who they're being allies with. and come on, "wall street journal" editorial page. don't just vomit out reports that this -- that this think tank that now aligns itself with italian fascists and aligns itself with tulsi gabbard and aligns itself with american-firsters, lindberghs of the world. don't just -- don't attack america's military and say america's military is weak. because, these lindberghian

american firsters who embraced tulsi gabbard's vision of the world, who celebrates the rise of italian politicians from a party that -- whose founding was in an italian fascism. don't embrace those people. but this is where -- this is where kevin mccarthy's republican party is going. an isolationist party that like donald trump, want to surrender europe, want to surrender western democracy, want to surrender freedom to the likes of vladimir putin, orban, and yes, an ill liberal like donald trump, who actually is willing to throw out american democracy, because he lost one election. well, this is what congresswoman liz cheney thought about kevin mccarthy's comments and he wants to surrender to putin. >> we need to make sure that we're doing everything necessary to support the ukrainian people and their battle against the

russian invasion. and i was -- i don't know that i can say i was surprised, but, i think it's really disgraceful that today, minority leader mccarthy suggested that if the republicans get the majority back, that we will not continue to provide support for the ukrainians. you know, what -- what's happening in ukraine today shows is that democracy must be better armed than tyranny. >> and yet, kevin mccarthy, mike barnacle, willing to appease vladimir putin. willing to appease an invader of ukraine, who's shown incredible courage. and he's part of this weak-kneed putin appeasing surrender

caucus. he wants americans to just cede ukraine and freedom to vladimir putin, how weak. is he going to put a picture of neville chamberlin up in the speaker's office if he takes the majority? the stakes of this election, kevin mccarthy just made them all the more clear. abortion bans for 10-year-old rape victims and the ceding of central europe to vladimir putin. wow! that's a hell of a vision for america, isn't it? >> you know, joe, as you pointed out, kevin mccarthy is likely to be the next speaker of the house, which puts him in the line of leadership of the united states of america.

this is a man that is clearly ignorant of both history and of present day events. we just had cal perry on from kyiv, which is under assault by a nation, russia, waging a 20th century world war two form of combat. dropping indiscriminate missiles on average citizens, destroying hospitals, schools, trying to terrify people, the ukrainians, into surrender. it won't work. but kevin mccarthy is apparently oblivious to what's going on in ukraine, and clearly, does not care about the future. he measures the future only by his own electoral success. only by his own ambitions, rather than looking at a world that would be more free, more liberal in the larger sense, i'm not talking about politics now, and that people will be more comfortable in their lives, living under freedom than living under vladimir putin's version of what he thinks is freedom. and kevin mccarthy, ignorant of

all of it. >> well, the problem is, a lot of these trump conservatives, they're not conservative. they actually are openly saying that they oppose western liberalism. it's not been that good for the west. really? how do you even start with that proposition? that you want to undermine western democracy. and if you're cpac, you want to praise illliberal leaders that starts with trump and ends with orban and that for kevin mccarthy, he is a member. he wants to be a leading member of the surrender caucus. this is not only a radical vision for americans, mika, it's also a radical vision when you compare kevin mccarthy's and donald trump's surrender vision,

blueprint for surrender, with what the republicans in the senate are doing. the republicans in the senate have been very clear-eyed about what's at stake. >> exactly. >> in ukraine. what's at stake in europe, what's at stake with western democracy. >> can i tell you -- he went on a trip -- >> with appeasing vladimir putin. >> he went on a trip with other republicans and he didn't see what all of the -- is he stupid? is he just completely illiterate to foreign policy? because he knows what he heard and saw. he went there. >> yeah. >> his fellow republicans saw the same thing he saw. >> yeah. >> and he's saying this now? >> and he doesn't need to talk to joe biden. he needs to actually -- maybe he needs to walk, walk actually across the capital complex and go talk to mitch mcconnell or go talk to some republican senators that can actually educate him on what's at stake in ukraine. straight ahead with election

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live picture of the white house on a beautiful wednesday morning, as we come up on the bottom of the hour here on the east coast. the biden administration is responding to concerns about rising gas prices. today, the president will announce the release of up to 15 million additional barrels from the strategic oil reserve, with the possibility of more coming this winter. prices started climbing earlier this month after producers in the middle east announced a

production cut. according to aaa, the average price of gas now is $3.87, up nearly 20 cents from just a month ago. joining us now, the biden administration's senior adviser for energy security, amos hockstein. good morning. first of all, how do you account for the rise in gas prices? they were coming down steadily over the summer into early fall. and about a month ago, ticked back up. >> good morning, thank you for having me. we saw prices go up a lot over the last year, once the troops started -- russian troops started surrounding ukraine, and really escalated through the winter. by the time we got to the summer, prices were at about, almost $120 a barrel and gasoline prices for americans rose to over $5. over the summer, as you said, until now, prices have really come down. the president's actions have really brought down the price of oil and the price of gasoline and diesel and heating oil

dramatically. they started rising a little bit over the last few weeks, and now we're seeing declines again. i'm glad to see that prices are starting to come down. and that's largely because the president is continuing to take actions. he has wanted to bring down the price down for consumers, so that they are not hit by the russian invasion. and wants to make sure that they're not low enough, frankly, so wanting to take a few steps that will do that today. and we're announcing a number of steps to make sure that prices continue to come down to strengthen the economy. >> and part of the problem, as you've said, is that opec plus announced a cut to its production. were you surprised by that announcement from opec plus? and why do you think they did it? >> well, obviously, we -- the president said, we were disappointed in their decision. we think it was a mistake. there was no imminent threat to price collapses, and prices were high enough as they were and did not need another cut.

i think the announcement, ultimately, is far larger, significantly larger than the actual cut will be. but the president is taking actions here at home that are what he can do for american consumers. and that's why today, he's announcing that the department of energy will release another 15 million barrels in december. as you know, we don't know what's going to happen with the russians in committees in the war, and what they may do, so he wants to make sure that the economy has what it needs in the united states and around the world. but we're also telling the private and the united states, you're in a position today to increase production here at home. you need to do that immediately. and in order to assure them and to give them the incentive to do that, the president today is also announcing that we're going to buy back, we're going to replenish the spr, the strategic petroleum reserve over the next several years, and make sure that we have enough there at a certain price. so if prices go down to $70, the

united states is going to buy back oil for our national security, for the spr. that means that private sector in america can start investing back in america, increasing production, and lowering prices for american consumers. >> mr. hawkstein, i would like to ask you about the timing of price increases for gasoline. so the saudis announce that they're cutting back whatever they -- the amount of gas -- of oil that they're going to produce, on a specific day. within 48 hours, gas prices here in the united states trickle up. is there any evidence of price gouging going on? >> well, i think what happens is, when they make that announcement, which, again, was already at high oil prices, everybody assumes the worst and raises the prices. and what we have told, since then, by the way, mike, we've seen the prices come down. so prices rose up, and through the president's words and actions, we've brought those prices back down to roughly

where they were before the opec announcement. and now, we want to make sure that with seeing with what russia may do and what other international actors may do, we want to make sure that we have the security here at home. and that's why it's so important that companies that have made such significant profits over the last several months, from high energy prices, start bringing those prices down. and invest those profits back here in america. so there's two issues. one is the high price of oil. but really, gasoline prices should already be lower than what they are now. they are already too high, based on what we know these companies' costs are. so prices can come down now. we're giving every incentive. the president is taking every measure possible to secure the energy supply in the united states and to allow the companies to invest. this is the time to put their money where their mouth is, and actually invest back in america

so we don't suffer the consequences economically in the united states of whatever putin has in store in continued invasion in ukraine. >> so, i've got a question, as well, a timing question. mike was talking about the timing of the prices going up, but, you say prices can come down now. when will they come down? when will americans see the impact of what the president is doing here? >> well, i think we're already seeing them. so, again, the arc is -- remember, just a couple of months ago -- four months ago, we were at $5 a gallon. a few weeks ago, they calm down, they're now back to $3.87, as you said at the beginning, but most americans are already seeing prices at $3.50 or below. and we expect those prices to come down over the next several days, even further. after a few weeks of small increases, so i think american consumers can see those prices go down now. and the president wants to see

them go down even further. >> senior adviser for energy securities, joining us from the lawn of the white house, amos hawkstein. thanks so much for your time this morning. we appreciate it. let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's squawkbox, andrew ross sorkin. you've been listening in. what will be the impact of the release of these $16 million barrels. >> in the short-term, he's right. it will lower prices. there's no question, and that will probably be a good thing. of course, people will have questions about the timing of it, the midterms, and everything else. the bigger question is longer term, what really happens to the price. in part, because we don't know what's going to happen with russia and ukraine, and what kind of position we're going to be in later, whether we're going to have to continue to actually use this strategic petroleum reserve. and there's a second piece to this, and it's something i wish we had an opportunity to talk to amos about. if you go back to 2020 and think about what happened, the trump

administration actually wanted to buy barrels of oil to replenish the strategic petroleum reserve at $24 a barrel. and were actually blocked at the time by democrats. it was considered an unpopular thing to do. chuck schumer came out and called it a win to actually stop that from happening. we now, in terms if you think about what that serve looks like, we're at $19.84 levels. we'll have to do a lot of buying. and while in some ways, it's going to create an incentive for the oil companies, it's not really going to create an incentive for the oil companies to create that floor for the price longer term, because we're saying we're going to be buying. because the truth is that saudi and everybody else is really going to control the floor. our ability to have leverage over what that price is long term is actually, unfortunately, a lot less than those in the middle east. >> yeah, the biden administration is putting pressure on the oil companies, publicly and privately, but unclear if the oil companies will feel any of that or be compelled to do anything about it. i want to ask you about another story, andrew. that's netflix.

third quarter subscribers up $2.4 million. remember, it had been dipping a little bit, there were concerns about netflix. what changed that? >> looks like there's some growth. i think some of it was programming. a little bit of it came -- or i should say, a lot of it came from some of the growth in asia. and also, i think, now there's an expectation between an advertising-supported piece of this, so you'll have a version of netflix that will be a lot cheaper, $6 or $7 plus advertising, you have to sit through the ads, of course, but the other piece of it coming next year is, if you're sharing your passwords with your family or friends, your brother or sister or law or somebody else that's not in the house and it's obvious and clear to the system, that is, to netflix, you're going to get a little notification that's going to say, hey, do you want to pay for that person? if you do, there's going to be an upcharge, and you might say "yes" and you might say "no," and they on the other end might get a notification if they find out that you don't want to help your brother or sister-in-law and they're going to -- they're

going to be offered the opportunity to then pay. we'll see how that goes. i think a lot of people have gotten used to this, and so we'll see if that actually turns people off or on or how this all works itself out. that's going to be a big component to their growth. they have 30 million people that are sharing passwords in ways that they shouldn't. this is not just folks in their family and a kid who goes off to college. it's clear that passwords are being used in one home in new york and another one in california every single day. >> andrew, they're on to our password sharing. we'll have to dodge the law. andrew, thanks so much. tune in tonight to the first episode of "special edition with andrew ross sorkin" which premieres at 10:30 p.m. on nbc news now. coming up next here, new details about when the january 6th committee will officially subpoena former president trump. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." t trump. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." ( ♪♪ )

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from a member of the militia group. jason dolan said he was ready to fight to the death to keep then president trump in office on january 6th, 2021. the 46-year-old military veteran testified on tuesday at the seditious conspiracy trial of five other oathkeepers, including founder, stewart rhodes, as part of a cooperation agreement with the government. dolan previously pleaded guilty to conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding. other cooperating defendants are expected to testify in the trial, as well. we will be watching that, willie. >> a number of sources tell nbc news the january 6th committee, meanwhile, likely will issue a subpoena to former president trump some time today. the panel voted unanimously last week to subpoena trump, seeking his testimony under oath and documents relating to the insurrection. speaking at an event at harvard university's institute of politics last night, congresswoman liz cheney weighed

in on the committee's decision to issue that subpoena and the timing. >> you know, i think we all felt it was -- there was no disagreement on the committee. we all felt that our obligation is to seek his testimony, that the american people deserve to hear directly from him that it has to be under oath. that he has to be held accountable. and so we'll be issuing a subpoena shortly, both for his testimony under oath, as well as for documents and will take whatever next steps we have to take, assuming that he will fulfill his legal obligation and honor the subpoena, but if that doesn't happen, we'll take the steps we need to take after that. but i don't want to go too far down that path at this point. >> again, nbc is hearing that that subpoena will be delivered some time today. stay tuned. coming up next here, the

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ten minutes before the top of the hour. new polling shows that a majority of voters are concerned about the state of american democracy, but that doesn't seem to be dissuading many of them from supporting midterm candidates who deny the results of the 2020 election. according to the latest "new york times" siena college survey, more than 70% of democrats, republicans, and independents say that under thr. most say the mainstream media is the biggest threat, republican lawmakers and former president donald trump. more than half of that same group also says they would be comfortable voting a mid-term

candidate who denies joe biden's legitimate win in the 2020 election. and before next month's mid-term votes are tallied, four in ten republicans say they don't trust the results will be accurate. that brings us to the state of arizona. a state that has 3 prominent republican candidates who have made false claims that the 2020 election and are trying to create doubt about the integrity of the mid terms. gubernatorial candidate kari lake refuses to accept the results of the mid-terms if she loses. blake masters is predicting his election will be stolen and mark finchem says he will not certify the election if joe biden wins in 2024. joining us now, the democratic

nominee for arizona's secretary of state, adrian fontaz. how do you run against disinformation? when you are talking to voters and you're trying to help them understand fact from fiction. often a lie spreads the same way that the truth spreads. the lie has spread pretty far and pretty wide because the folks who have been doing it are speaking loudly. those who have endorsed my campaign for arizona secretary of state. >> you run an everyday campaign and you were talking about the dangers to democracy, the

dangers to people who don't believe in elections anymore. you were saying people aren't aware of how dangerous this is. talk about that. >> the nature is american politics and campaigns. our campaign is responsible for spreading the message of truth and the fact that elections can be trusted. when you take a step back, what they're doing is dividing us against ourselves as americans because what they're saying is american people, who are the ones that run elections, cannot be trusted. this is an insidious divisiveness that we're fighting against. it is dangerous not just because they're making us mistrust a system or process but because they're making us mistrust one another as american citizens. that's the real under the surface problem here that's going to break it down.

>> as secretary of state, you would certify the election results? >> absolutely. you make sure all 15 counties do their job and if you have to make a little bit of an adjustment, you do. at the enof the dow you trust the people who run elections. you trust americans and that is the problem here. they don't want us to trust one another so they can replace it with one single leader. >> mr. fontez, obviously the margin was razor thin for joe biden. he did win. it was certified. boy, there were an awful lot of people in your state trying to flip that over. the cyber ninjas came in. finchem was in washington to deliver an evidence book. it was made up of course. can you explain how close things

came in your state to the people prevailing, the people who denied the election? >> look, we literally had to have s.w.a.t. teams inside the election department. maricopa 2020 was my election. we had to have armed guards helping our folks back and forth to their cars in the parking lot. we came really close. we had to get security to pull that person back in. we were very, very close in maricopa county. we know the dangers and we know the threats they present. we have to use the system to build it up. we have built bipartisan support to get the message out there. we got real close. that was just a dress rehearsal.

>> what happens if kari lake wins the governorship and she confronts you on certified election? >> well, i'm going to do my duty. i'm approaching this with an open heart and an open mind. i believe we each have an oath of office we're going to fulfill. we're going to do our level best to ensure it is the people of

the state of arizona and the laws of arizona that prevail. this is the faith we have to continue to restore. the folks on the other side want us completely divided so that their strong characters can drive everything. that's not how this is supposed to work. we the people need to vote. we the people need to maintain that power in our democracy, in ourselves. this is how america moves forward. we're excited to have as many people help news this effort. >> democratic nominee for secretary of state, adrian fontas, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. jose diaz ba lart picks up msnbc is up next. what lin manuel miranda is doing. that's after a quick break. ♪ is something that... ♪ [ music stops ] [ beeping ] cars built with safety in mind, even for those guys. the volkswagen atlas with standard front assist. ♪ ♪

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