focus voters' attention, given the, all of the importance of the economy, on some of those positives, as opposed to on the gas prices, the inflation, the other things they know are top of mind for so many americans heading into this election. chris? >> josh lederman, thank you so much for that. again, the president, a little later on today, will be stumping for john fetterman, in a tough race with dr. oz. that will do it for this hour. make sure to tune in for 1:00 with "chris jansing reports," katy tur is next. good to be with you. president biden just wrapped up the remarks moments ago, about the bipartisan infrastructure bill and talking in front of the firm hollow bridge as chris just said which collapsed back in january trying to remind people of how desperate this country

was and still is for infrastructure funding, and that $40 billion of the infrastructure deal was set aside to make sure what happened at that bridge does not happen at another bridge. this stop is part of biden's tour through battle ground pennsylvania, a state where a close senate race between dr. mehmet oz and lieutenant governor john fetterman who is there with limb right now could decide who controls congress. joining me from philadelphia, is white house correspondent mike memoli. you're in philly where the president will be tonight for a private fundraiser for lieutenant governor john fetterman. this stop that he made in front of that bridge today, i mean he's not just selling the bipartisan infrastructure deal, he's selling democrats. saying democrats are the ones to get it done, and that he led the way. >> yes, that's right, katy, the president has not necessarily been doing the kind of campaign rallies we have seen past

presidents do around this time, of course, donald trump did a lot of these kinds of major big rallies in the run-up to the midterm election, but what the president is trying to do is use these official white house events to try to crystallize the case to the american people about promises that were made in the last campaign, and promises they've delivered on, the president making the point that he came to pittsburgh in january, to talk about infrastructure needs this this country. that day, he was scheduled to arrive, a bridge collapsed in the city. and now thanks in part to the infrastructure law, they're able to get that new bridge put in place, ready to run in december, way ahead of schedule. now you mentioned john fetterman, the sitting lieutenant governor, he is not only in the audience there for the president's event, he is wearing a suit. we never see that. but perhaps that's because john fetterman is heading on air force one with the president. that is the kind of perk we haven't necessarily seen nonproperly incumbents get in this campaign cycle, so it is an indication of how important pennsylvania is to this

battleground map. if democrats don't win this senate race, it is a key pickup opportunity for them, the math to control the senate in the next congress is extremely difficult so the president making his 16th trip to pennsylvania since taking off and the state to philadelphia will be the eighth stop to this city as well, more than 46 other state, the president doing everything he can to try to make voters, yes, you heard him say, i understand this has been a tough few years for this country but democrats are doing everything they can to try to fix these problems. republicans may be complaining about, it calling it socialism, but they want this infrastructure money, too. you heard that point made as well. >> thank you very much. and i'm sorry if you couldn't hear me, trying to figure out what is going on with my coat, trying to make it look a little bit better. thank you very much. let's bring in political analyst elise jordan. there are 19, 20 days until the midterm election. you sat down with voters. what did they tell you they were thinking about?

>> we went to philadelphia and to pittsburgh and we spoke to voters who represent every sector of the electorate and where there were commonalities is interesting, voters are all concerned about inflation, they're all concerned about the economy, they're concerned about crime, too, and i was surprised to hear what swing voters though it's been much wanted, with the appeal of roe v. wade, i was surprised to hear what swing voters had to say about it. let's show that now. >> will any of you vote specifically based on a politician's views on abortion? >> no. >> strictly no. >> if the choice is pro life and pro choice, and there is only pro life with no other sic, i would never vote for them, so yes, i would make that decision solely on that, because that's a line i'm unwilling to cross. >> i agree. >> it's interesting. >> so even if they are very pro choice, as long as the

politician isn't banning all abortion and absolutely no exceptions, they might be able to go ahead and still vote for that politician. >> so that's why we've seen so many republicans out there walk back some of their more hard line statements during the primary, and try to sell themselves as more, as they say, moderate? >> well, exactly. and look at what is happening in oklahoma, one of the reddest states in the nation. just because of abortion, you might see republicans lose the governorship. and in kansas, and then you have doug mastriano, the candidate for governor in pennsylvania, kind of trying to, but not really. and what did surprise me and it always surprises me, it is this pro life voters, most of them favor exceptions for rape, for incest, and for life of the mother, so it is not as draconian as the politicians make it out to be. >> how do they support the politicians who are being pretty draconian, and this is not theoretical any longer, we are hearing stories from women in some of these states that have

banned abortion, saying that they, they can't get one when their lives are at risk, when the baby is not going to survive, won't even survive in the room, and any longer that baby stays there, it is not just putting the baby's life at risk, which is already done, basically, but the mother's life at risk. so how are they saying it is okay to vote for somebody when they're not even as extreme as these policies are? >> they are voting though for the ones that are that extreme and that's where you see republican politicians losing and kansas, oklahoma, and probably doug mastriano is not going to fair very well in pennsylvania in that governor's race. if i were to predict today, i would say that josh shapiro the attorney general is going to win and yes partially because of abortion. >> we hear a lot of talk about economy and the pocketbook issue and voters going to the polls and voting on the economy, do you think that it's fair to say that economy is the only issue? >> no, i think economy and crime and throwing in a dash of

women's reproductive rights being trounced on and you have a lot of potent forces, but definitely, number one, certainly, is the economy, and then you can't discount how close, i was really shocked by how bad the descriptions of the scream wave in philadelphia was, and it wasn't just coming from suburban white voters, this is from african american voters in philadelphia. >> who are they blaming? >> blaming just the general state of affairs. they didn't have anyone necessarily to blame. >> were they saying republicans instead? >> no, definitely not. >> interesting. >> and you did from swing voters, you heard plenty of blame to the politicians, but it's a bad time of, you know, all of these ripple effects of the pandemic, of the money, the inequality, it's just a lot of factors. >> we have a graphic that "the new york times" put together, an interesting graphic showing what president biden and the democrats wanted during this legislative year, and what they

got, so proposed for 4,368 billion. much of it bipartisan. do voters give them credit for getting a lot of this spent. and we see a lot of republicans campaigning on this, and republicans campaigning on the infrastructure bill that they did not vote for. who are voters giving credit for that? >> i don't know that anyone is really giving credit. i haven't really seen that much of a boom yet from the infrastructure bill. let's be honest. that's the kind of building projects that were funded and i love that graphic, just because it was very easy to kind of go through and see, wow, here's where they actually got something done and climate was an area that really surprised me, that they got most of their spending, even a little bit more in certain areas of the climate spending. >> this graphic might be wrong. i think it's trillion. not billion.

4.3 trillion. 1.4 trillion. >> a lot of cash. >> yes. >> a lot of cash. >> but that surprised me. and you hear though, from trump republicans, who they want the energy economy to be independent. and they would be supportive of that kind of spending and that got a lot of money for nuclear energy and frankly that's something that is supported by plenty of republicans. >> do we still have mike memoli. we still do not have mike. elise, when you look at the state of affairs, what is your sense, i know the polling shows the republicans are on the generic ballot and you have spoken to folks, what is your sense of where things are going? >> it is close but i think republicans have a bit of an advantage, just given the state of the economy, that everyone is paying more for food, and that's something that hits you every single time you try to feed your family, feed yourself. >> talk about democracy being at stake. we talk about pocketbook issues

but there are 360-plus candidates who have at least questioned the legitimacy of the last election. questioning democracy. do voters fear what might happen if people who don't believe in democracy get elected? >> among the swing voters and the democrats, definitely yes. the trump voters had concerns and no one accepted the legitimacy of the 2020 election still, so that battle, they're still litigating that battle. but among the swing voters, there certainly was a hunger for election, improved election security for preserving the fairness of the american electoral system. >> elise jordan, thank you very much. and with the 2022 midterms, a little more than two weeks away, jonathan will be on the readout tonight, with joy reid to share his exclusive sitdown interview with president joe biden at 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. u.k. prime minister liz truss resigned abruptly this

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the role of england's prime minister isn't always the gift it seems to be. some dream about it as a kid. others are thrown into it for fear of letting their side down. liz truss was a little of both. and just as quickly as she entered 10 downing street she was spat back out, her downfall isn't unique, in fact perfectly

in line with the pattern we've seen from every brexit era prime minister. boris johnson, theresa may and david cameron all resigned under party pressure. liz truss just did it in a record-breaking fashion. 44 days in, making her the shortest serving pm in british history. it started out as a joke but it looks like liz truss did in fact have about the shelf life of a head of iceberg lettuce. britain is in disarray, facing a tough winter, skyrocketing inflation, and surging energy prices have been, people choosing between eating and heating, and almost every economic policy truss put forward triggered market chaos before being reversed by the second finance minister and former leadership rival jeremy hunt. more than a dozen torymps called for her resignation while others blamed their fellow conservatives for putting her there in the first place.

>> i really shouldn't say this but i hope all of those people that put ms. truss in number 10, i hope it was worth it. i hope it was worth it for the ministry of the red box. and i hope it was worth it to sit around the cabinet table because the damage they have done to our party is extraordinary. >> you look just furious about it. >> i am. i've had enough. i've had enough of talentless people putting their tick in the right box, not because it's in the national interest, but because it's in their own personal interest. >> truss saw herself as a modern day thatcher for an economically lost britain. after all this was her 24 hours ago. >> why is she still here? >> mr. speaker, mr. speaker, i am a fighter and not a quitter.

>> from not a quitter to quote cannot deliver, in a matter of hours, ms. truss, not boris johnson, the big question we were just asking just six weeks ago and that is about boris johnson who you see right there, is he going to come back? for one, a boris comeback, head spinning, is not off the table, and in fact, he hinted at it in his resignation speech, league likening himself to a roman politician to go to farming and then lead the country and back to power and less controversial options former finance minister rishi sunak and former defense secretary penny mordaunt and finance minister jeremy hunter as well. whoever replaces her has a tough, some might say impossible job to fill. joining me is former north american ledder for b bc news,

and here at me at nbc headquarters, financial times editor at large, this is a great group of people to do this conversation with today and get this analysis. willfred, i want to begin with you. how did it all unravel so quickly? >> i think in the last 24 hours, katy, we've got a snapshot of a broader problem that liz truss had been facing over the prior couple of weeks. when she came to power, she bet the house on a very focused set of right wing policies, in particular, as we well know, as it relates to the economy. when she was forced to u-turn on that, pressured by the markets, as she was, that started to disappoint her loyal allies, her base. and she soon started to discover she didn't have any supporters outside of that base. and last night, we got a less focused but still relevant example of that, when she clashed with her home secretary on whether they should soften,

do a mini u-turn on the policy of immigration. and it really highlighted to everyone here that even though she u-turned on the economy, and brought back the markets to a sense of calm, she still was not commanding the support of her own party, and they pressured her to resign. as you note today. >> it's been an extraordinary six weeks, an extraordinary few days. here is king charles greeting her for one of their weekly meetings, just the other day, listen to what he said to her. >> your majesty, pleased to see you again. >> dear oh, dear. >> back again, dear oh, dear. a lot of people pointed to that and said oh, gosh, it is not going to be long now, john, explain who was supporting her in the end.

>> nobody. it was just the most calamitous hemorrhaging of support i've ever seen in politics and it was like she was unable to take a step without falling over and everything she did was a misjudgment, a calamitous misjudgment, so at the end, there was a senior minister put up to go on the radio and tv this morning, to do the rounds of the interview, as the loyal cabinet member, and even she couldn't say whether liz truss would lead the conservative party into the next election. and so britain will now be on to its fifth prime minister in six years. and none of them beaten as a result of the election turning around on them. it's because the conservative party has become ungovernable. yes, liz truss made mistakes, but you have to wonder that since brexit, whether the conservative party is able to function in a normal way. they seem to have developed a

taste for this, and once they kill one, let's kill another and do something like i don't like, i'm going to take you out and have you shot as well. >> is this fallout from brexit? all of this turmoil? >> i think a lot of it is fallout from brexit. what you are seeing is extraordinary drama and everything you see on the screen, or the crow "downton abbey." and the fallout, when you have brexit, you have a big disagreement in the tory party, and she never articulated, are you going to aim for britain a backwards looking return to the past or are you going to try radical economic reform and be like, singapore or hong kong, on the thames and a free market, open economy, and essentially take away a lot of the government controls. and that was never clearly articulated and essentially what liz truss was trying to do was unveil a vision of britain was very free market, very open,

deregulated, and the reality is we don't know if the electorate wants that, and i suspect they probably don't because there hasn't been an election, and you have this monumental economic hangover on top of it all. >> she was only chosen by, i mean in the scheme of things a handful of people, 80,000 people. >> 80,000 people, yes. >> and it is like taking the u.s. primary and decide who is going to be the u.s. president. it is absolutely nuts. >> it is populism in the u.k., and how is that populism -- i mean you know with populism, fighting for the little guy, was the little guy protected? energy prices in the u.k. are skyrocketing. food costs are skyrocketing. there are people on the brink of destitution. >> absolutely. >> and what is one of the global powers of the world. >> i think one of the things people need to understand is essentially what's happened in the last few years in the u.k., it is a straightforward fight between a populist message and vision or what i like to call a techno cratic vision or message, where basically you have, if you like people who can add up and

down and sober and boring on stage but fairly competent in charge and stead, and boris johnson was a populist and liz truss was very much pursuing populist visions and messages and now you're seeing the revechk the technocrates. it is possible that boris johnson will come back in. he has thrown his hat into the ring. you've had more populism men. but the kind of people like rishi sunak, jeremy hunt, named as more likely contenders, they're very much technocrates. so we're looking at the populist donald trump and someone like the biden administration that is more technocratic. >> so your elections are a little bit different in the u.k., and you know, you can have a vote of no confidence for whatever prime minister the party replaces and until the party has a majority. and there is a scheduled election a couple of years from now. any reason to believe there will be a general election much

sooner than that in the u.k. given the situation? >> well, i think it is possible that there will be a general election before that. i mean the conservative party won't want to go into a general election, and liz truss approval ratings were minus 70. and i think the conservative party will seek to resist it but as you would just saying, we're in a position now where the british people are not having a say again in who the next prime minister will be. and i think it becomes unsustainable. even though it may be constitutional, i don't think it flies in terms of public opinion. i think the british people who say hang on, if we're going to have another new prime minister, with another new set of policies, surely we have to be the ones to will decide who that is. the only person who's, who's got a mandate to rule is boris johnson because he won the general election and i don't

think boris johnson has a chance of winning if he goes back, he has all sorts of ethics inquiries hanging over him and i think the conservative party who made a judgment on him when they booted him out are not ready to have him come back. >> is there any way back into the fold, to stabilize this? i know after brexit was voted on, there was talk about maybe having a referendum on the referendum, to try to get back in, because people felt like they were misled about it. any chance that there could be a reunification between the eu and the u.k.? or is that completely off the table? >> one day, it's possible, but in the short term, almost certainly not, because the one way labor could worsen their chances as we approach whenever the next general election is to say that they want to remain in the eu, it would make it once again a very binary general election on top of brexit and that might give conservatives or

another party a chance to win. so in the short term, i don't expect it because there is no need for a party to take that risk, of course, over the next decades, who knows. i do think the other point to note though, even if the conservative party managed to unite, and deliver some level of stability and government in the coming weeks and months, their economic task in the short term is incredibly different. 10.1% inflation. and almost inevitable recession coming. and of course, that weak pound. for an economy that is a net energy importer, it's very hard to see inflation going away any time soon. and if you ease on the energy prices, you're going to hit on the mortgage costs. and it's not like the u.s. economy at the moment where there is at least a debate about whether a recession can be avoided. it's inevitable here. >> there are a lot of other variables at stake too when it comes to what is happening across europe and the war in russia, the war in ukraine that russia is waging, and what it is doing to energy costs and how

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will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us. former president donald trump signed a legal document swearing under oath that evidence of voter fraud he was using to challenge the 2020 election was true, even after his own lawyers told him it was false. citing that, a federal judge in california has ordered john eastman to hand over additional emails to the january 6th committee. judge david carter determined that 33 emails contained possible evidence of criminal behavior, writing in part, the email showed that president trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout

those numbers in court and to the public. four of those emails according to judge carter demonstrated an effort by president trump and his attorneys to press false claims in federal court for the purpose of delaying the january 6th vote. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and "new york times" congressional reporter luke broadwalter. let's talk about one of the emails between john eastman who was representing trump legally and president trump, regarding the voter fraud claims in fulton county. describe this back and forth and what the judge saw in it. >> right, this is one of most revealing emails that the judge released yesterday. it included a sentence from john eastman in which he had been going through the data for the number of deceased voters and the number of unregistered voters, et cetera, that had been in a previous trump lawsuit. and he said, we now know this data is incorrect.

we've learned this is false information. and he suggested that the president, donald trump, not sign this because he will be signing a false statement, and lo and behold donald trump signed it anyway and filed the lawsuit in court, under oath, and now this judge is saying that those emails, especially that one from john eastman, is evidence of criminal behavior, and must be turned over to the january 6th committee. you know, obviously, there has been a lot of scrutiny on some of the actions of trump's attorneys, not just in this case, but also in the mar-a-lago case, and i think this is perhaps the latest example of when they were made aware that some of the things they were doing were false, and they went ahead and did them anyway. >> so we'll get the legal analysis on that in a moment but ali, what does the january 6th committee plan to do with these emails? >> use them. and we've seen the way that they have already tried to establish trump's intent, his motive, what he knew and what he did in spite

of what he was being told, this is actually a prime example of that. we already saw in the most recent hearing that they did the painstaking details through which they went to try to establish what the former president was being told, and the actions that he was taking publicly, and now, with these emails, they do have concrete evidence of the fact that his attorneys were telling him that the number of fraud cases that he was citing were wrong, and the fact that he put pen to paper under oath, and upheld those numbers anyway, the fact that the judge is using phrases like conspiracy to defraud the united states of america, it speaks to what the january 6th committee has been trying to establish all along, but of course, as we've been talking about, nothing happens in a vacuum, if the january 6th committee knows this, then the fulton county district attorney can know and there this and of course the department of justice can know this, so it is just another brick in the road, as these people are trying to establish the role of the former president in and around january 6th and what he was doing in various states after the 2020

election. >> thank you for the primer. joining me now is former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst john coleman. john eastman was arguing you can't get my emails between me and my client, that is attorney-client privilege but the judge seems to be cites the crime fraud exception. explain that. >> right. under the crime fraud exception neither the client or the attorney is allowed to invoke the attorney-client privilege if it is shielding a crime committed or actively occurring, so what judge carter did in the ruling was to say that you cannot use that to keep us from seeing what's in these emails, because what's in these emails, as he determined, is basically you trying to commit a crime. you are knowingly, fraudulently, and intentionally, trying to obstruct the free and fair election in america, so he is trying to get that in front of the january 6th committee and he

is now allowing eastman to go forward with that attorney-client privilege. >> the january 6th committee is a political body. they don't have charging power. but if a judge is saying hey, i think there there was a crime committed here, where might we see the emails or the evidence pop up next. i know eastman's cell phone was seized by d.o.j. >> the cell phone was seize the but if you're talking about what the january 6th committee is doing as a whole, with a subpoena, will there be criminal referrals as relates to donald trump and when you talk about this type of evidence and these emails, even as it is a political body, if they are looking to make criminal referrals eventually to merrick garland and the d.o.j., these emails could be very relevant. and so judge carter's ruling in this matter is not at all insignificant. it does matter, because as they're laying this out and putting this together, like ali said, it is another piece, it is another brick in the road. >> what does it say when a judge, we are used to prosecutors saying a crime was committed and a judge ruling a crime was committed and that person going to jail, or being

sentenced or fined or whatever. when a judge says it before prosecutors say it, there is a crime committed here or reasonably the crime was committed here, how significant is that? what does it mean? >> it speaks to probable cause. it speaks to the notion of the ability of whatever prosecuting body would be in charge of this to move forward with an indictment, to move forward in front of the special grand jury, and bring forward an indictment, and go forward with that. i think from a legal standpoint, it doesn't have an incredibly official effect, if you will, but if you will think about what it is to have a bully pulpit, for a judge to actually give you, you know, verification that probable cause exists, you know that that indictment, when it is reviewed is going to be okay, and you know that case is going to proceed. >> a lot to talk about in the january 6th committee and whether it is necessary for them to recommend charges because the d.o.j. is already investigating. >> of course. i think the d.o.j. has already decided that -- the d.o.j. knows what it is going to do and i firmly believe that as a prosecutor. we have seen more of this

investigate from the d.o.j. than we normally might because of the nature of the case. but normally, these cases, with investigations like this, go on for years and the public has no idea or an inkling of what is going on. but they are very lear about what they're going to do. there may be a question of when they're going to do it. i think the notion of a political referral depoliticizes it, and even if it is counter-intuitive to say that -- >> it comes from a political body. >> correct. it depoliticizes it, because it ratifies and verifies it and the case that they have been building throughout the course of the hearings put out by talking to so many different witnesses and literally millions of documents, only buttresses the investigation that the d.o.j. is conducting. >> i will caveat as we caveat all of these segments we don't know what the investigators have and we don't know what they will decide and we will have to wait and see before they make assumptions. charles, thank you very much for being on with us. and from election denying candidates, to maga poll watchers, how secure the vote is

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joining me now from capitol hill is democratic congressman ro khanna who represents the state of california, i imagine you will tell me, sir, that it depends on the particular race. >> sure, but i would say, katy overall, that we need to have a better, sharper, economic message, we have a lot to run on, i call it a new economic patriotism which is that democrats are bringing manufacturing back home, we're bringing back supply chains, and that actually is going to help tackle inflation. a cbs poll showed 63% of americans believe the cause of inflation is that we're not making enough things in america. and the republicans are running on tax cuts for the wealthy. that's going to be putting words in their mouth, kevin mccarthy has said they want to extend trump's tax cuts. well we saw how that worked out for liz truss who just resigned. it led to basically the bankrupting almost of the british economy. we need to frame this as an economic choice election. >> you went some places that were traditionally very blue,

and now are pretty red and they feel like they've been left behind by democrats, their voices weren't heard, globalization, ended up hurting them and when you went there, according to the "politico" reporter who was following you around, there were a lot of folks who weren't really excited that you were there, they thought what is this congressman, lawmaker, from northern california doing here, talking, this is a tech person, why is he over here in manufacturing? talk to me about what you told them and the response that you got. >> well, i said that we made a big mistake as a country, and while i think the republicans and reagan were to blame, the democrats share our blame as well, and that was that we let production go offshore. it was a silicon valley actually person, andy grow, who helped start intel, that wrote about this in "business week" if would be a strategic mistake to allow all of the production, most of the production to leave america. i met someone who complained, 40 plant shutdowns over the last 40

years in anderson, indiana. so i understand people being angry. i think we have to acknowledge that anger. we have to say mistakes, that there were mistakes that policy makers made and much more of a concerted effort to bring new industries, new factories back to america. >> you made an effort to talk to people that wouldn't otherwise want to listen to you. and you go on fox news quite a bit. when you go on, what do you talk about? and why don't more of your colleagues do the same? not to say go on fox news in particular, but you tell me, is everyone talking to everyone, or are people only talking to certain people? >> well, katy, i think we have to go talk to people with respect and partly, i think with pride in this country, i mean i'm the son of immigrants, i was born in philadelphia, i still believe this is the greatest nation in the world. i have a vision with other democrats of how we're going to make sure america leads and is

strong. and if we go, when i go on fox news, people may disagree on the policy and i don't always win the argument with the host but they leave maybe he's a decent guy and in it for the right reasons for the country. and i think we need more of that, to try to bring this country together. >> you were just in pennsylvania with john fetterman. what do you make of that race? and what do you think of how voters see him in pennsylvania? >> john's running a great race. john is talking about bringing manufacturing back. john is visiting every county. one of the things i said is look, i grew up in philadelphia which is i think one of the reasons he had me, and we grew up cheering for rocky and rocky was the underdog and he came back, and john's had some challenges, obviously, health challenges but he is showing grit and resilience and i think that's going to appeal in pennsylvania. >> congressman ro khanna, thanks for being 0 with us, we are sorry we couldn't make it happen in person. >> thank you. coming up, new reporting on republicans very partisan effort to secure the vote. blicans veryt

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the rules around elections needed to be tightened because of it. to be clear, there's not just no evidence of widespread fraud in the last election, but there are multiple high level trump officials who said the claims were fantasy, including former a. g. bill barr but much of the gop has kept up with that lie, more than 360 candidates on the ballot in november have questioned or outright denied the last election. so what happens if they win? joining me from washington is nbc's yamiche alcindor. what happens? >> that's the critical question. my story for "meet the press" reports digs into all of that, and it is airing tonight. and it centers on this part. the false claim that the 2020 election was stolen has now become a critical gop talking point and part of the pear's larger approach to -- party's larger approach to the election and the approach is to pass new laws that critics say will restrict voting access making it easier to overturn election

results and criminalize voting in unfair ways. in florida in particular, republican governor ron desantis has an election police force facing fierce criticism. i sat down with the florida secretary of state defending the state's action and here is what he told me. >> what do you say to critics to say to the office of election crimes and security, and some have called the election police force, that that was created to establish a false narrative, a political narrative about a problem that doesn't really exist. >> i think that is completely inaccurate and belies the truth, that there are people that vote and they're not entitled to vote, and every single person who votes that shouldn't undermines someone who does, the legal vote of someone else. >> now, the despite of secretary of state's arguments, advocates and lawyers for those arrested say these people should never have been arrested because many registered to vote and got voter i.d. cards from the state and months or years later that same state arrested them.

and he says his actions may not intimidate others in florida and plane got their voting rights restored in the last few years or changes in florida's law, and we could see more of these election police workers because nbc found that 45 states have gop candidates on the ballot that have questioned or denied the results of the 2020 elections, including 227 house nominees, 18 gubernatorial nominees, 17 senate nominees and 10 secretary of state nominees. so a lot of worry out there that these arrests that we've seen, that they could continue in other states. >> what about maga poll watchers, explain what they are? >> maga poll watchers are essentially part of these, this national movement by organizations to recruit poll workers and poll watchers to become part of the election system across the country. so these are the people that are counting the ballots, and i talked to a number of republican voters who say they want to be part of the system. some of them say it is because they want to see what's going on, and they want to see this upclose and to make sure that

there is no cheating going on, but there are also election officials who are worried about nefarious actors to come in and start challenging votes because they disagree with that political, that political holding, the political ideas of the person casting their ballots and you can see conservative poll watchers, and democratic votes, saying no, in fact, we don't want to count this vote because it is for democrats. there is a lot of worry out here from election officials who by the way are facing so many threats and death threats in some cases and are very worried about the 2022 midterms. >> if you want to think about that in more depth, you can go out and by our friend major garrett's book "the big truth," he poses a scenario at the top of the book that talks about an interaction, a scuffle, at a poll between a poll watcher and somebody and what might ensue from there. scary stuff. thank you very much for joining us. coming up next hour, what the d.o.j. says it needs to complete its investigation on the january 6th riot. and why they might not get it. e.

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president biden is in pennsylvania, on the campaign trail, pitching democrats for the midterms. he is going to try and boost them there, with less than three weeks to election day. and notably, what he's not doing, why the president is opting out of the traditional big campaign rallies, for now