president biden is in pennsylvania, on the campaign trail, pitching democrats for the midterms. he is going to try and boost them there, with less than three weeks to election day. and notably, what he's not doing, why the president is opting out of the traditional big campaign rallies, for now, and also, the january 6th

committee huddled today to hammer out final details of the donald trump subpoena, and why it has yet to be issued. plus, the justice department says its january 6th investigation is running out of money. what officials are asking congress and whether congress will give it to them. i'm katy tur in for hallie jackson. we're going to start in pennsylvania, with mbs news white house correspondent mike memoli in philadelphia, and nbc news correspondent dasha burns, and punch bowl co-founder and msnbc contributor jake sherman as well. so mike, the president is in pennsylvania, and he stood in front of a bridge that collapsed a little bit earlier this year, he happened to be there for the aftermath of that collapse, and he's using it to make a specific pitch. what is it? >> well, what the president was really trying to do in order to try to help boost democrats in these midterm elections is talk about promises made and promises

they delivered on. this is a president who really believes in trying to put forward to the american people tangible outcomes that results from voting for democrats. and so you have heard him earlier this week on the abortion issue saying if you give me a democratic house and add to our seats in the senate, we will make this our top legislative priority and today, he said look, there was a bridge that collapsed, our infrastructure has been really falling throughout the world, compared to other countries throughout the world. because of our bill, because of our law now, we are able to actually do big things. and he also pointed the finger at republicans, for standing in the way. let's listen to part of his argument today. >> let's get something straight. we managed to get some republicans involved in this. 13 in the house. and 19 in the senate. and i'm truly grateful for them. i mean it sincerely. a whole lot more voted against it. taking credit for it now. >> so katy, this is obviously a strategy which is blending the official events with the

political. notably the president not doing rallies like we saw donald trump do in the run-up to the midterms in 2018, that president obama did some in 2010 and 2014, and the white house pointing out, well, what happened to those presidents when they held a lot of rallies in the run-up to the midterms. their party lost a lot of seats in the congress. and we just heard from the president actually after that event, he stopped, as you often see, for sandwiches with john fetterman, the senate candidate, and he was asked about why more candidates on the democratic side aren't trying to get the president alongside him and he said listen we actually had a lot of calls and we're trying to put the schedule together for the rest of the year and talking about democratic chances this november, he quoted the great yogi berea, it ain't over until it is over and the white house making it clear that the president can be helpful and trying to find the best way to do that and it not always the rally. >> he is in pennsylvania and in a private event later to try to raise some more money for lieutenant governor john fetterman. he has raised a lot of money as

it is. he was way out ahead in the polls. it's tightened a whole lot. now, we're getting more information from his doctors, about his condition, what are they saying? >> well, look, we interviewed john fetterman, as you know, we aired that interview last week, where we pressed him and we pressed his campaign for medical records, for more information, more transparency, and we weren't alone by the way, there were editorials in the "washington post," and "the new york times," and pittsburgh poegz, that said we need to have a clearer picture of where you are right now, the last time we heard from any of his medical team was back on june 3rd, from his cardiologist. so this was a letter from his primary care provider. it said that he can serve with no restrictions, he can serve in his full capacity, that he is doing well, that is he recovering, and while he is also seeing other specialists, he is seeing a neurologist, a cardiologist, a speesh therapist and this is a one page letter from his primary care provider and it is up to voters to decide

how much transparency is enough transparency. i know a lot of pennsylvanians right now, katy, are counting down the days until next tuesday, when after everything is on the air waves and on social media, these two candidates finally face off. >> you spend more time than i think anybody in this company in pennsylvania talking to voters, you really, do you're there all the time, and there's a reason john fetterman sat down with you, because you are present, and you've spoken to him one-on-one in the past as well. what do voters say about what they're looking for and how do they feel about the two candidates? >> they are worried about gas prices, they're worried about crime, and that is an issue that comes up constantly, and of course, the oz campaign has splattered the air waves about ads about crime, and that might be working, the experts that i talked to said that in august, through october, as those ads were growing in volume, that voters started to look more at republican candidates, especially those independents, those folks in the middle, and

the abortion issue that had so much momentum in the summer, right now, when i asked voters what's number one for you, it's not coming up as number one. though it is certainly a concern. >> voter registration is also in pennsylvania among women, am i right about that? >> that's right. the last time i checked. and so which of these issues, right? this has become a conversation more around policy than politics, for a lot of voters which is interesting, in a state where you do have these sort of out-sized personalities. if you look at the polling right now, josh shapiro is leading by double digits. i think there is going to be a big story on november 9th, not in pennsylvania but other states about people who are splitting their tickets, and we haven't talked about that in a long time, but i think we're going to start to see that in this cycle. >> we talked about it in georgia and that can happen there as well. >> jake sherman, let's talk about what the house might look like, and be like, if

republicans are able to regain control, there's new polling out today that shows republicans are up on the generic ballot, and you tell us, what will it be like? >> well, there's been very little good news, katy, for house democrats, as the house field continues to expand. i spent much of last week, with the house minority leader kevin mccarthy who kind of opened up his playbook, so to speak, on what the majority might look like, if he's speaker. that includes what he would consider holding the debt limit up for unrelated priorities, to cut spending, investigations into the biden administration, and very little ukraine funding, he said that there's not going to be any more blank checks, his words, not mine, to ukraine. and so it is going to be a huge sea change. and i'm not entirely sure to be honest you with, based on my reporting, that the biden administration has completely wrapped its head around what it will look like if republicans do take the majority in the house. it's going to be incredibly

difficult to get anything through, and katy, i think that spills over to just a month from now, when the lame duck session begins, the lame duck session of congress begin, when the biden administration, if they're smart and if they see, if republicans take the house and if they realize how bad it's going to be, what they try to push through in that two-month long session of congress. maybe a full year of funding for ukraine. same-sex marriage bill. it's going to be a frantic, once the election is over, a frantic period from november 9th until january 3rd. >> jake, we can't talk about this like it is a normal election, because we have to talk about the people who are denying democracy, and trying to claim that 2020 was stolen. there's so many candidates out there, we're just talking to yamiche alcindor about it that say there is fraud and stolen and pushing this lie about 2020, and a lot of them could potentially win. what does that mean for what the gop caucus looks like? what does it mean for kevin

mccarthy? >> a few thoughts here, katy. number one, it means that this conference, the republican conference will be more rightward leaning and more conservative and buying into nonsense, than ever before, so to speak. there used to be a split between the leadership and the right wing. we saw that with john boehner and we saw that with paul ryan. now there is no such thing, there is no split. the entire conference is on the right side of the party. many of them, as you noted, denied the 2020 election was legit. they don't accept the results. i think when, with where the rubber meets the road, it is going to be in legislating, and how they handle big weighty issues, the debt limit, funding government, and funding the pentagon, and giving money to ukraine. these are big weighty issues that are going to be incredibly difficult for mccarthy to navigate in the two-year period from 2023 to 2025. >> should we expect him --

>> i don't know if it won't function. but it will be very, very difficult. it will make 2010 to 2018 seem like it was functional. i'll say that. and it's going to be, i mean if, if people don't have confidence in washington now, wait until you have a dwighted government with a republican conference that's really centered on the right wing of the party. >> what about when marjorie taylor green said the other day, she will have a lot of power if republicans win? >> i have been thinking about this, katy. i don't buy, let me put it this way, i think that the leadership has brought those kinds of people, like marjorie taylor green into the fold more than any other time in our history, since i've been covering congress, but here's the thing. marjorie taylor greene is one vote. one vote. if she has 17 votes, 17 people that agree with her on an issue, then she can have power. until then, she'll have a mega phone, there's no doubt about that, she can raise money,

there's no doubt about that, but as it relates to the business of government, she still is just one vote. that's how nancy pelosi by the way treated aoc and if you remember a big dust-up in "the new york times" column and she is one vote in my caucus, if mccarthy treats her as one vote and just allowed one vote, then she'll have minimal impact. we will have to see how mccarthy navigates that. >> thank you very much. a lot could happen in six weeks. you could become prime minister of the u.k., and then not. liz truss, we have details on her resignation. and also what it means. and the brutal war in ukraine rages on. it is already getting cold and winter brings a threat of a major humanitarian crisis. we're live on the ground there. plus, the january 6th committee is preparing to subpoena former president donald trump, so what happens next? we're going to answer that question after the break. question after the break

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are. behind closed doors on capitol hill. sources tell nbc news, the january 6th committee met today to finalize the timing of when they will issue the subpoena of donald trump with several details up in the air. the "washington post" reports they have been carefully crafting the language. lawmakers and committee lawyers have also been closely steadying case law about subpoenas to current and former presidents. people familiar tell "the post." the committee is expected to formally issue the subpoena soon. ali vitali, joins us and jacqueline alemany. what does soon mean, ali? >> that's sort of the question we have been asking up hire. initially i had been told that we would expect the issue in the early part of the week, and here we are on thursday and the

committee huddled this afternoon to talk about some of the final details that they're parsing through in order to actually get this out the door. it still could come as soon as today, but at the same time, and as the "post" as reported, they are still finalizing some of the key details including the actual due date for the documents and deposition requests that they will make of the former president. >> jackie, why are they being so specific about the language in the subpoena? why does it matter that they're looking at past subpoenas? is there some way that they can word it that will make it more effective? more coercive? coercive is the wrong word, but give it more weight? >> yes, that's exactly right, katy, and fortunately for them, there is lots of president, recent president really in the last four years ago since the former president took office in 2016 for the committee to be studying when it comes to litigation, lawsuits, subpoenas, that have been filed against

this former president. and one of the cases, for example, that we were told that the committee was looking was mazar versus donald trump, the accounting firm that used to handle the accounting for the trump family businesses. they no longer work together. and after years of litigating a subpoena that was filed by the house oversight committee, requesting these financial documents after michael cohen, the former trump associate made these allegations publicly in around 2019, that the former president had fabricated some of the accounting, the house oversight subpoenaed mazars for these documents. and ultimately this past month, they are finally getting their hands on some of these documents, the first trove of documents arrived just last month. but that was some very long winding legal processes, and the

committee simply does not have time for. so they are studying the language that other committees and entities have issued previously, and trying to see if there is some way that they can most effectively compel the former president to testify or provide even documents. at the end of the day, of course, despite some of the tough talk from the former president to his advisers, that he wants to testify and is going to, we're told by people close to him that it's highly unlikely that they think he is just making sort of empty threat and at the end of the day, his legal team does not think that would be a good idea. >> let's talk more about that. and compel was the word i was looking for. i'm glad you used it. ali vitali, you have lived in both of these worlds. i think on one hand there, a version of donald trump who would love there and get the attention on the tv sets and to

be able to say what he wants right to the committee because he has been frustrated that there is no one pushing back directly, and thaf avenue had a lot of prime time all to themselves, according to reporting. and on the other hand, as jackie was just laying out, legally speaking, it is pretty dangerous. >> yes, because saying what trump wants to say may not jive with saying it under oath, and there have been plenty of prosecutors that you and i have talked to on our network who say that any lawyer who would advise him to do that opens him up to the potential of perjury charges at the very least. but look, if you're the committee, you know that they did this acknowledging the fact that it is not likely that trump willingly goes before them and especially behind closed doors, which is the fashion in which they have done so many of these depositions. then you look at the polling on this. and the fact that a new monmouth poll that says roughly six in ten people that they polled say they want trump to go before the committee, and another 77% of the people in that poll say they want to see it live, there is the aspect where the transparency might be something

that benefits everyone in the public, but it is getting to that place that seems really unlikely, quite frankly, and in the course of my conversations with committee members, as they move towards this eventual subpoenaing of the former president, they were very aware of the fact that as they mulled subpoenaing trump, versus subpoenaing pence, that was a very different conversation. pence more likely to come in if subpoenaed. he said as much himself. trump unlikely for the reasons we laid out. despite the fact that it might feel somewhat cathartic to actually be able to do so, because you're right, that is the complaint, that there has been no pushback and a consistent prosecution from the committee. >> why not pence? we saw him today, it has been all over the news, asked if we support donald trump if he ran again, and pence said no, there might be another candidate that i would support more. why has the committee not handed that invitation to him, that subpoena to him, and say please come, talk to us, jackie?

or ali? >> ali, you go ahead on that. i feel like i've not asked pence questions recently. >> well, look, i think first of all, pence having the response he did, he said it quietly and you and i have watched pence for -- >> if you try to get a question to mike pence that he does not want to answer, it is incredible, he will not answer it, he just sees right past you. sorry to interrupt. i will underscore that. you're right. go ahead. >> the discipline that he has and in his fealty to trump all of these years, that answer was so striking the fact that he is clearly leaving the door open for himself in 2024, and the committee is in discussions to see if he will come forward and they thought they needed to start the clock earlier on trump but there are questions why they didn't start the clock months ago as opposed to the end of the

public hearing. but with pence, the opportunity is still there. and again, he has said as much. that if subpoenaed by the committee, we consider coming forward. which is the way that all of his top aides, the ones who have testified publicly, the ones who testified privately, they all came in, because of the subpoena. it wasn't just a voluntary interview process. but they were compliant because it is clear the pence people had a very different experience on january 6th than donald trump did. >> thank you very much, ladies, for coming on. and in another january 6th investigation, the justice department says it is running out of money to continue its probe. the d.o.j. has told congress more than $34 million is quote critically needed to fund the investigation, which the department has called the most wide-ranging one in its history. more than 870 people have been arrested so far. but it's not yet clear if congress will tack more funding on to a major funding bill in december. let's go to nbc news senior national political reporter, why

would they not give d.o.j. more money for this? >> it is very much up into the air right now. the senior aappropriate yaters that i talked to said they will not consider the $34 million thrust in the bill and that there is strong opposition and the request does not seem to have broken through and some negotiators soundsed surprised when i told them that the justice department says it is in the midst of a cash crunch and it needs more money to continue carrying out this investigation. so you know, the view of members of congress is yes, the justice department may have to put it in their budget, across the fiscal year 2023, but the appropriators, we've got a lot of requests, if you feel strongly about this, then speak out and make your case more publicly on capitol hill. there are reasons, for proponents of this funding to be optimistic and it will be included in the bill and the house democratic bill that passed the appropriations committee earlier this summer, did include the funding and showed that democrats are willing and at least some republicans that i talked to

sound willing as well. and let's put on the screen what a senior republican on the appropriations committee told me. he mentioned that republicans have to compromise while democrats have control of the house and the senate and the white house. and he said he has no problem at giving the justice department the resources it needs to bring to justice those who perpetrated the attack on january 6th. so the possibility is there. the path is there. it's just a matter of whether appropriators think that's important enough to include in that final bill that has to be passed by december 16th. >> what is the measure? it is a simple majority, right? >> so it is all democrats but a handful, it is all democrats, period. or do they need the republicans? >> a simple majority in the house. but they need ten republicans in the senate and that's why republicans have influence over this. >> is there indication that there are not ten senators that would not want to investigate this, and from what we've seen the senators have take continue seriously, but has that changed?

>> they have stake continue seriously but it is not clear to me that senior republican leaders in the senate are particularly aware. one of them susan collins is in line to be chair of the committee if the republicans take control of the commit and she was unaware of the request. and there is a real abyss, and they might need to twist their arms and make their case more strongly on capitol hill. and if we're looking at next year, then the entire equation changes because currently right now the republicans are favored to take over the house of representatives and kevin mccarthy voted against the january 6th select committee and compared the violence at january 6th to the violence at george lloyd protests that happened in the summer of 2020, he has not been sympathetic to this and firmly aligned with donald trump and we know how trump feels

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power e*trade makes complex trading easier react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity after only 44 days in office, liz truss has stepped down as prime minister of the united kingdom. >> i came into office at a time of great economic and international instability. i was elected by the conservative party with a mandate to change this. i recognize though, given the situation, i cannot deliver the mandate on which i was elected. >> her tenure by far the shortest in british history, was marked by economic turmoil and chaos in her cabinet after she laid out and abandoned a deeply unpopular plan to slash taxes without paying for it.

and now the conservative party she led is searching for its third prime minister in a matter of weeks. joining us now from 10 downing street is nbc news correspondent molly hunter. also with us is the head of bloomberg economics and former bbc presenter stephanie flanders. >> only a few weeks ago that i we were all there, i was there, covering the queen's funeral and liz truss had just been appointed prime minister. what's it like there after this news? what's the reaction from folks? >> confirm a -- -- it is har to overstate how symbolic and chaotic this country has been since liz truss came into office and the picture, the queen's last public picture appointing liz truss, asking liz truss to form a government and basically from the get-go after the national mourning period ended and the country returned to real life and got down to business, it has been kay ottic. you mentioned the economic

policies that she and her prime minister brought in right wing policies that tanked the market and the market immediately rejected, the pound dipped to a 37-year low. and mortgage prices spiked, inflation is up at 10%, and these are all things that affect real brits so it is hard to overstate not only how chaotic it has been but also how deeply unpopular she became across britain but also in her own party, but of course which is what led to today, which is why of course we started to hear in the last 24 hours, senior members of the conservative party undermine her publicly and presh her to resign today. >> she was put into office by the conservative party. it wasn't like she was elected there. they knew what they were doing. so how much of this is liz truss's fault, and how much of this is the conservative party's fault? >> well, remember, it was the conservative party membership, which is a pretty interesting kind of corner of the british population that actually elected her. a majority of mps did not support her. she had not gone into that race, she was second among mps, so i

guess quite a lot of mps are saying well, we were right, to not support her. and there is quite a desire among the conservative party not to take it back to those grass root members again, in this effort, they actually would quite like to end up with just one candidate after the votes on monday, whoever came in second is going to be under pressure to stand down. precisely said that they don't leave things once again in the hands of those grass roots conservative party members. around 180,000 people. >> i want to put up some polling about how the u.k. feels about the parties, and they don't think the government is handling the u.k. economy well, as you can see, 87% say badly. and the conservatives are in pour. and i know a general election is technically two years away, but is there a world where the public starts to demanding a say in this? because they haven't had a chance to say who they want leading things, in this crisis period. >> yes, and it has been one of the great achievements of the conservative party that they somehow persuaded the british

people that there are been three different governments since the brexit referendum in when it is in fact the same party in power and that is because they have several prime ministers. and you're quite right. we will be going into the third prime minister since the election. the fifth since 2016. the seventh chancellor, the seventh finance minister. and i think there is certainly a growing opinion, definitely among opposition parties, but also among the broader public, that there should be an election. but that's going to be resisted very strongly by the conservatives because they think they might not win any seats at all if they have an election. >> the labor leader is already demanding it which is unsurprising. would labor have it any easier with the current crisis? does brexit make it kind of impossible to fix what is happening in the u.k. right now? >> well, brexit was a sort of self-inflicted wound. it wasn't necessarily the only thing that is causing problems now. we're all -- america is going to be facing higher mortgage rates, has faced, everyone is facing a big jump in mortgage rates.

we are facing difficult times with double digit inflation. very high inflation here as well. so it is not just the u.k. that is facing those tough times. we managed to make a bad situation worse with liz truss, with her unpopular policies, and there is an argument among the conservatives, you know, let labor take this over, let them enjoy this very challenging economic environment, and maybe we'll only be out for one term and not three. >> can the party stabilize things? >> i think -- >> is it possible? >> i think the conservative party are pretty good as acting if there is nothing wrong and with just carrying on being in power and saying, you know, we have a right to be here because we have all of these mps, members of parliament who have been elected and they certainly fronted that kind of power before. and they are looking down the barrel of most of these mps losing their seats and they don't want to lose their job tomorrow. they prefer the chance two of more years. >> there is the war in ukraine as well. there are other questions about how hard this winter is going to be. you are already seeing energy prices quite high.

and there is real talk about people not being able to afford it. an again, having to choose between food and heating. does this affect nato's ability to stand strong against russia? >> you know, that's the interesting thing. we've looked repeatedly at the polls across europe, you know, as things become really tough. living without russian gas. and the price of energy. and worrying about food and heating your homes. many people already choosing between heating their homes and eating. we see a change of support, popular support for ukraine, and so far the answer is no. there is emphatic support for the ukrainian people which i suspect will continue under a new prime minister. yet another prime minister. >> thank you. always good to see you. and still ahead, ukraine's eastern region was plunged into darkness, after a russian strike pummelled the nation's energy network. a live report. first up though, we will talk to someone on the ground,

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a plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. for much of the summer, democrats were unexpectedly competitive in the battle for congress. the party was benefitting from public outcry against the supreme court's decision to overturn roe. and the ensuing state level abortion restrictions and bans. but in recent weeks republicans have gained an edge in polls as voters worry more about economic issues, it seems. and in the sienna new york times generic congressional poll 49% said they lean republican in the upcoming midterm election, compared to 45% who would vote for a democrat. that is not to say abortion does not still rank as the most important issue for a lot of voters out there. especially those in states with draconian restrictions. according to this analysis from the kaiser family foundation, half of the voters polled say

the decision to overturn roe has made them more motivated to vote in the upcoming midterms. with only 19 days left until the election, can democrats count on support at the polls. joining us is wendy davis who famously filibustered in defense of texas women's access to rep duck tive health for the 2013 fight at the texas state capitol, now the center of a new documentary, shouting down midnight, part of a new series, streaming on peacock. all right, so wendy, now that abortion is up to the states, and texas is imposed even stricter rules than what you were fighting against, what is your sense of how motivating that is for voters? >> i feel like it's still incredibly motivating, katy, and i hope as we come through these final days of the election season, democrats will be able to make the case that this issue is something that is going to

linger for years to come, and it is going to have an impact on us, our daughters, and our granddaughters, in a way that we need to really come to grips with, and understand the importance of. the economy of course is top of mind for everyone right now. and the economy is going to ultimately upswing. we know that from our experiences in the past. but this issue is going to live on and on and on. if we allow lawmakers to believe, that we're okay with the fact that they've ended our right to safe and legal access to abortion care and half of the states in this country. i think it is important for democratic candidates to make that case. and also, to help remind people that our family economies are dependent on women being able to fully participate in the work force. and that full participation has been provided by the

reproductive autonomy that came from legal contraception and safe legal abortion care. and it's incredibly important for family economies that we make sure that women continue to have that autonomy. >> you're making an argument that the access to abortion is also an economic issue. it's the same argument that stacey abrams made the other day i believe on this network. >> that's absolutely right. and you know, there is so much data to demonstrate, katy, what happened in this country, in 1972, and 1973, following the supreme court decisions to legalize contraception care and abortion. women's full-time participation in the work force skyrocketed. and it had an incredibly profound impact on the bottom line gdp of this country. and has continued to have that impact. we saw during covid when women had to leave the work force, so the consequence of not having child care, what that meant for

their family economies and the economy of the country as a whole, and this is injury to insult, essentially, allowing this continued inability for women to be able to exercise decisions about their own bodies and therefore exercise their own decisions about how they will participate in the economy to support themselves and to contribute to the health and vibrant economy of this country. >> wendy davis, thank you very much for joining us. and on sunday, be sure to catch "shouting down midnight", the first installment of the new documentary series, the turning point, executive produced by treva noah, focusing on wendy davis and ler fight for women's reproductive health care. that is sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc, also streaming on peacock. my next guest says there is

a simple solution to stopping 9% of abortions and not outlowing the medical procedure and it is for men to ejack clate responsibly. she argues abortions would stop if men took responsibility for where and when they ejaculate. joining me is the author of the just-out book "ejaculate responsibly" norman mother jasmine blair. it is a provocative title but argue the point for me. >> sure. i mean first of all, i want to say the title is provocative but also really, really smart. it is the least sexy way to talk about sex, the word ejaculate is uncomfortable to say it, the first time and two more times no one is turned on for just talking about this in a very straightforward way. it is sort of scientific, and technical. it's delightful. but anyway, the title is both a description and an argument.

it encapsulates the whole idea in two words. ejaculate responsibly. no one has control over where, you know, of the release of sperm more than men. they get to decide if they're going to release sperm or not. and it's perm that impregnates an egg. ovulation, a fertile egg is totally involuntary. i cannot control it. it happens once a month for me and i cannot control where or when it happens but ejaculation is always voluntary. you always get the choice. >> there are those who will push back and says it takes two to tango, this this is a two-person decision whether to get pregnant and you anticipate that argument, and what is the response? >> well, i mean sex takes two people. that's terrific. but sex doesn't always result in pregnancies. there are millions of people having sex around the world right this minute, and no unwanted pregnancy will be caused unless a man ejack clates irresponsibly. it takes sperm.

and we know this. and again, women are fertile for 12 to 24 hours each month. their egg is only fertile for that amount of time but men are fertile from puberty to death, 24 hours a day, every day of the week, every day of the year, and we're laser focused on trying to control the 12 to 24 hours. we have an $8 billion birth control industry. and 90% of it is purchases by women, for women. and all of that, trying to control this tiny window that is really very unpredictable. the more research we do, the more we know how unpredictable it is. and then we have men's constant fertility. and we just absolutely ignore. it we don't talk about it at all. >> you say that men can use condoms. you say that there's the pullout method. there's different ways that this argument needs to be turned on its head. there are those who will say women just take birth control. as you just mentioned, it is an entire multi-billion dollar

industry, focused on trying to control that 12 to 48 hour period of time for women. for when women are fertile. birth control is great. no one is arguing that birth control or very few people, females at least are arguing that birth control should be outlawed. but birth control is tough. and birth control is a lot of side effects. and when birth control was potentially going to be introduced for men, it was not done so because of side effects. which as you write, are pretty limit compared to the side effects that women deal with, for every day birth control. >> right. i mean so women are taking birth control, absorbing hormones, taking the pill, every single c. >> again, whether or not they're fertile. most days they're taking these pills, taking, you know, using birth control. they are not fertile. they can't become pregnant. and men, like you look at male birth control, it's so much

simpler and easy her. i think about vasectomies, women, to just get birth control, it's making appointment with the doctor, does the doctor take your insurance? do i need to take off work? do i need childcare to go to this appointment. it's an invasive physical exam. then you try the birth control. maybe it has side effects you can't bear. then you go back to the doctor and trouble shoot or maybe you need an iud. that is a whole different appointment or maybe need a shot quarterly. you have to keep coming back. there is a lot of maintenance. even you get the prescription, you have to keep filling it and keep it up to date. it is all this work and management, again, for this very small window of fertility. and then you look at condoms. condoms are easy to get. they're programs in every state for free condoms. can you store them for a year so

you can be prepared. they're inexpensive, convenient, accessible. no doctor's appointment, no prescription, no invasive exam. they're so much easier. and you only need to wear them right when you're having sex. if you don't have sex that day, you don't have to worry about the condom. there is no side effects. yet our culture is to resistant to condoms. men don't like them so we doend need to worry about them. that is a bizarre argument. the more you talk to men they say if you learn how to use them and what material you like, if you take time to figure that out, sex with a condom is great. >> thank you very much. you're turning the argument on it's head. 100 abortions are caused by men ejaculating irresponsibly. it's a really interesting book. really interesting book that you're making. thank you so much for joining us. there she goes. next up, new reports that the

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putting on goggles and swim caps and plastic ponchos. it is really striking. >> we'll start there. this was, you know, a photographer saying this was one of the harder stories that we had to shoot here. we had to shoot very difficult ones including mass graves and killings. but this one was particularly difficult because for anybody who has kids as you laid out, they're using stuff from home as biological, chemical, nuclear weapon suits. much so it's the swim caps, swim goggles, what they have forage lettic activity after school because the flack jackets, helmets, the military gear is all at the front. that's where dad is. so when you talk to kids, it's not fear of nuclear bomb but the fear of what is going to happen to their family and decision whether or not they're going to stay in the city. so many of them were brought back by parents after a year away in it poland or germany or

england. and that's part of what we're seeing with the capital city. everybody is going to take a four hour mandatory blackout throughout the day. it could be coming in eight hours or all day if things get bad here. the mayor wants everybody to shut down electronic devices. and people are fearful of the air strikes. new numbers in to give you an idea of what people are living through, more than 325 rockets and/or drones fired in ten days. half of them, katie, this is new, half of them coming from belaruse, from the north. so you now have a two front war aerial campaign being opened up on ukraine. >> cal, thank you very much. and that is going to do it for me today. we have a quick break. today we have a quick break. so here's a good look at our new thick n fluffy french toast. artisan challah dipped in vanilla cinnamon batter. french toast the way it's meant to be. try all three flavors. only at ihop.

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