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hi, everyone. an extraordinary revelation by a judge who said he found compelling evidence that donald trump may have committed crimes of adding a new dimension to trump's legal jeopardy and reminder after incredible reporting and after more than a year of an intense investigative probe by congress, there is still more that we don't know and more to learn about the details of the trump plan. as we reported on this show yesterday, in a ruling ordering attorney general john eastman to hand over dozens of his e-mails to the january 6 committee, the federal judge says that eastman's clients, that is donald trump, signed a legal document describing evidence of election fraud that he knew was false. "the new york times" has more on carter's ruling. he knew the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers. both in court and to the public judge carter wrote. he added in a footnote that the

suit contained language saying mr. trump was relying on information providing to him by others. repeatedly the panel has argued that a crime fraud exception pierces the typical attorney huff client privilege and often protects communications between lawyers and their clients. judge carter wrote on wednesday that the crime fraud exception applied to a number of the e-mails related to trump and eastman's efforts to delay or disrupt the january 6 vote and, they're knowing this representation of voter fraud numbers in georgia when seeking to overturn the election results in federal court. judge carter is the very same judge carter who back in march ruled that trump and eastman have most likely committed felonies in efforts to overturn the election. calling the efforts a coup in search of a legal theory. now judge carter says that he found four e-mails that show that the barrage of lawsuits that trump's legal team and

allies were filing in court filled with baseless and unprovable claims of voter fraud served one single purpose -- stopping president joe biden's electoral college victory from being certified on january 6th. here is what "the new york times" says. quote, in one of them, trumps lawyers advised him having a challenge to the election pending in front of the supreme court could be enough to delay the final talley of the elect ral college votes from georgia. this e-mail was in context with other documents in this review made clear that president trump filled certain -- filed certain lawsuits not to obtain legal relief but to disrupt or delay the january 6th congressional proceedings through the courts. a stunning, brand new piece of evidence in the trump coup plot is where we start the hour. luke has been reporting and writing on this all week. "new york times" congressional reporter, of course, and andrew

wiseman, former prosecutor, former prosecutor on rob urt mueller's investigation and adie stoddard is here. and mary mccord is back. a former top official in the justice department. she's going to be with us in a couple minutes. luke, this is your reporting. you mention this. the you flagged this for us as breaking. we have you back today. you have written sort of the definitive piece of reporting on this. take me through what judge carter is saying. >> yeah. really is an extraordinary opinion by the judge here. we knew that judge carter several months ago felt that donald trump and john eastman had committed more likely than not committed two federal felonies, obstruction, official proceeding of congress and conspiracy to defraud the united states. and what he said yesterday on this ruling is that specific e-mails from john eastman that have not yet been turned over to

the january 6 committee is more evidence of one of those crimes. there's one e-mail he honed in on where he is going through some of the data where they're going through deceased voters and unregistered voters. he's saying, guys, the stuff we p nut our lawsuit is not accurate. and we've been told it's false. and the president knows it's false. so i'm advising that president trump not sign verification documents, attesting this is true. what does donald trump do? he signs the document and file the suit. judge carter is saying that is evidence of a crime. and so i think now he's e-mails will go to the january 6 committee. >> andrew, i want to read more

from the ruling. and i'll save my questions until after i do that. president trump and attorneys in a georgia state action that fulton county improperly counted a number of votes. eastman relaud concerns from trump's team about including specific numbers in the parra graph dealing with felons deceased moved, et cetera. he explained the next day, although the president signed verification on december 1, he has been made aware that the allegations and offers by the experts is inaccurate. for him to sign a new verification with that knowledge and incorporate by reference would not be accurate. trump signed a verification swearing under oath that the incorporated inaccurate numbers

are too incorrect. >> what does it mean that we have crossed over to this point where a federal judge is alleging criminal behavior. >> i think it's great you started there. one thing find myself getting lured to is the idea that a federal judge has found that a former president of the united states has committed obstruction of justice and fraud. by the standard of more likely than not. the federal and state prosecutors obviously need to wait to see what the documents actually say and whether they bear out exactly what judge

carter found. >> he relied on the advice of counsel. he's doing the exact opposite which is he has counsel saying don't do this. the numbers are inaccurate. and he went ahead as luke said and signed anyway. donald trump publicly presenting himself as if he won the election. and saying the whole series of falsehoods but privately being told by the attorney general, by his campaign manager that he lost the election.

this is inaccurate. so this is going to be more proof that can be used both federal and state level. >> andrew wiseman, i can not go back in time to the georgia efforts without doing two things, make the call and reminding everybody about the human collateral of trump's lies. have they had a civil legal pursuit against donald trump? does that meet a judge's standard? >> well, the answer is, yes, but that the judges finding -- you can't just take the finding and introduce it into a criminal case or a civil case. but the evidence that is about

to be produced is something that you can use. of course, if there were a civil proceeding, the standard is exactly the same. they're making a finding that civil liability. they applied the exact same standard as judge carter. you would assume he would get the exact same result. and there is more evidence than what was before judge carter. he is looking at a sliver of the evidence that january 6 committee and georgia prosecutor is looking at. it's worth remembering also that rudy giuliani is alleged to have made exactly these representations. and the team internally knew it was false. so this is also, i think, a pretty bad day for mr. giuliani. >> so i want to do this. mary mccord joined us. i want to play the call.

this is an important distinction. this is first time that we know that trump knew that all of this was bill bar's favoritage emtive, bs. here is some of trump with him. here is some of trump with him >> he said the numbers at the time were wrong. but he continued to tout the numbers. let me play one more thing.

this is them questioning him about what he knew to be true. >> so secretary, did your office investigate whether the allegations were accurate? did 5,000 dead people in georgia vote. >> >> no, it's not accurate. actually, in the lawsuits they alleged 10,315 dead people. we found two dead people that i wrote any letter to congress that stated january 6th and subsequent to that we found two more. that's one, two, three, four, people not 4,000. a total of four, not 10,000 and not 5,000. >> so here's what trump was told specifically about that number, 10,315. this is in the e-mails. eastman relaid concerns from trump's teams about including this specific numbers in the paragraph dealing with felons, deceased et cetera. he knew at the time it was a lie. didn't stop him. didn't pump the brakes. what do we have in our justice system to hold him accountable

for that? >> i heard you making i think the very good point about the human klatt damage to all of trump's lies and all of his stories. but there is a big difference between the judge finding, you know, by a civil standard that president trump likely committed crimes, obstruction of an official proceeding and also fraud and, of course, with the georgia case we're talking about fraud there. like human beings in georgia that would be able to directly link trump to the threats and harassment and violence put upon those individuals.

people engaged in threats and harassment but there is more steps between these things before you can get a civil liability. i think lawyers will be looking into that and how do they fill those pieces in? what did trump know about the things he said were going to do, how they were going to affect people that were going to act upon those things and make hars harassing phone calls and go to people's houses. this is something that i thought ever since january 6th is an important to track down. what does trump know because of his own briefings and own consumption of social media about the impact of his words on what people do on the ground including committing acts of violence and threats and harassment. >> mary, the january 6 committee made an effort to prove in the court of public opinion.

>> it's to stack the evidence in three towers. one that they lost. it started and ended with all of the taped depositions under oath of everyone from the campaign data guy to the data manager to the campaign lawyer to bill barr everyone knew he loss with the dramatic testimony saying they collided outside the rose garden. it was always the plan. something he conspired with back in the summer before his defeat.

this not the intention of violence but there is a bunch of new evidence that we've seen in the most recent public hearings he was briefed on the violence. he was enthusiastic about the weapons his supporters were carrying and confident that the weapons would be used to harm him. now the federal judge, the same one that said eastman committed felonies, the reason the committee can have these is because of the crime fraud exception. we know enough about that to be deeply concerned. what do we do with this additional ruling saying that the reason the committee can have these e-mails is because crimes were committed? >> yeah. it's still an evidentiary finding, right? it's not finding -- it doesn't have an impact of creating conviction, of course, due process requires that if a person is going to be charged with a crime, they have to be charged based on probable cause.

every element has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt at a trial. then a jury gets to make the determination by a verdict about whether a crime is committed. so i think, you know, it's very significant that a judge has this opinion. but it's one judge and it doesn't actually, you know -- it doesn't move the ball forward in the legal sense of criminal responsibility. i think this is very important, though, because it corroboration for what the committee has been, you know, showing the american public through its hearings. it's corroboration from another source. john eastman's own e-mails, right? this is one of trump's closest advisors. the architect of the fraudulent electors' plan himself acknowledging these numbers aren't right. and trump shouldn't be using the numbers. and so for those people who would criticize the house select committee as being partisan or not evenly balanced or not giving, you know, time for

opposing views or cross-examination or what have you, the various criticisms that there have been, here is other independent evidence in the form of john eastman's e-mails that corroborate all the things you were talking about. trump knew he lost the election and didn't matter. his strategy was say win and then just keep on telling the lies. >> does it mean the committee will get hands on the e-mails? >> yes, there is 33 documents they'll get. according to the judge, four of them get our piercing the crime fraud exception. specifically about using lawsuits not for actual reasons. but to try to delay and obstruct the certification of the

election. i think that is the other key point in the judge's decision here. is that, you know, we knew for a long time that the trump legal team was filing suits for the expressed purpose of giving a cover, so to speak, for fake electors, to put in their, you know, their fake slates and for -- to give reason to give cover for legislatures potentially meet. all these different plans they had in the works to try to overturn the election. they needed the lawsuits in the courts as something to point to to say, look, there is something going on. a judge might rule in our favor. and so that's what the judge is getting to there. now, of course, once they get the e-mails, you know, a number of things can happen. the committee could use them in the report. they could potentially call another hearing and, of course, they're working on that criminal referral which may or may not see. but there is that team of four lawyers on the committee who i am sure will look at the e-mails and incorporate them into the

decision making about a referral. >> amy it took everybody a minute to call it a coup plot. but what this ruling makes clear is that the lawsuits were never designed to be won. they were designed to create chaos. the rally was never designed as a rally. it was a cover for the militia groups well armed who trump said take down the f'ing mags, they're not here to hurt me. it wasn't supposed to happen. pence was supposed to fall into line because every day until january 6th he had done just that. this was all that donald trump worked on from before his defeat through january 6th. and the thing that is probably more opaque than people understand is it's what he is working on now. we don't know what the folks who gotten dorsments from him had to promise him they would do. maybe they had to promise them. maybe herschel walker had to

promise they would keep working on this. talk about the fact that this went on in plain sight and has not stopped. >> it's -- it was so remarkable to learn about the e-mail with him. but it was dated july 2021. we were on the show in the summer talking about -- sorry. july of 2020. we were on this show talking that summer about the intent on donald trump's part to put to joy in a position of running the postal service, running it into the ground. intentionally literally screwing it up in a pandemic when people were waiting for social security checks and medications. so that he could begin to malign the postal service in advance of the election as he maligned mail in ballots.

thats what the ticket. he was urged by other republicans to champion mail in ballots which were so successful in florida and other states. he has used them in that state when he voted. he wouldn't budge off that topic. that was his ticket to be able to say the election is rigged. we talked about that at the time. but he was saying oh, it's going to be a mess. this is going to be terrible. the postal service. and the mail in ballot. so he's starting officially to discuss this plan in july. and then we know that donald trump's entire life, he has used money and lawyers to escape his ethical conduct and his starting of the law and violating of the law. he never had to pay. he's never truly been punished. so it's not even surprising that he would be advised by john eastman to stop there and not file something that is knowingly false. to donald trump this is a game.

and he is always used just like he did with president zelenskyy, plans to force people to open investigations, for his investigations it looks like one of the political enemies is up to no good. just like the other investigations. the so it looks legitimate and it continues the conversation. so we can live to fight another day. that's what he did with the lawsuits to be able to drag it into january. and he was led to believe it could actually delay everything on the sixth. so, yes. fast forward to today in 2022, the people that he endorses, the people he sports, the people that are afraid to be on the outs with donald trump as he gets ready to announce a third campaign for the presidency know that litmus test and republican party today is the big lie. you cannot back down. and we have election denier as we talked about recently who are running for the 2024 election with donald trump's backing.

it is not only not ended, it's grown in strength. >> grown in strength and numbers. just some important and harrowing reality. all right. no one is going anywhere. when we come back, we're learning more about the pressure of campaign among republican lawmakers who keep trump in power. new texts from former georgia senator's phone after the election between the election and the riot. we'll show you some of those exchanges and messages and tell you who she was messaging with. plus, what the pentagon is saying to reassure u.s. troops who are left without access to health care and abortion care and other reproductive health care in their states. later in the show, election officials are sounding the alarm for many months that it wasn't just 2020 but that threats against them continued and will continue. new reports are showing just that is exactly what is happening. what states across our country are doing to protect those individuals who are simply doing

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capitol, mob who believed the lies she echoed about the 2020 election result that trump had been pedaling for months. an eye opening piece of brand new reporting in the atlanta turnl constitution today that pulls back the curtain on what was going on behind the scenes. days and weeks before january 6th. and specifically on lefler's role in the campaign to overturn the election results. the ajc obtained dozens of pages of text messages from her phone including message from the wife of secretary of state brad rafensburger. hours after kelly called for her husband brad to resign from his post as secretary of state and a bid to appease then president trump, the measured grandmother made clear exactly how she felt about lefler. never did i think you were the kind of person to unleash such hate and fury on someone in political office of the same party. noting that her family is under

siege because you didn't have the decency or good manners to come and talk to my husband. with any questions you may have had. i told you -- i hold you personally responsible, she added, for anything that happens to any of my family, from my husband, my children, and my grandchildren. we're back with our panel. way look at how devastated the family was by their own state senators trusting trump who we learn even trump knew he was pedaling lies instead of their fellow republicans in the state. kelly was giving very bad advice to do the political things that she thought would help her win the election. but they have real world

consequences. campaigns of hate poured down on fellow republicans. it really is, it really is horrifying to think about it. and i remember -- i remember seeing in the senate that night when she seemed to have a moment of clarity. she was wanting to go along with these plans to object and overturn the election. the mob stormed the building. it's no the fun and games anymore. there are other senators that said the same thing. he carried the fake slates of electors at one point. >> what you really see here how it all came together. you see marjorie taylor green texting with kelly le if fler telling her to come to the white house. will we'll have a strategy session with trump.

what are we going to do on january 6. you can see a lot of the things in order. i think it's very revealing to what is going on behind the scenes particularly in georgia. he is tired knowledge of violence. they knew that what they were doing would lead to violence. this is also from the ajc's reporting on this. after lefler noted that marcia blackburn of tennessee planned to object to the results and that cruz was trying to hold other republicans together following the insurrection. her campaign adviser mallory thompson wrote of the violence unfolding on the tv screens, quote, this is a tinder box and beyond politics now, she said, adding, quote, this objection will not ultimately prove to change anything but it will feed into the violence and condone it. moments later, lefler texted advisors she was likely to be onehe gop senators to reverse course. a rare example of a staffer

replacing a lawmaker's conscience and sense of responsibility. but this staffer saying it's a tinder box. it's beyond politics. it will feed into the violence and condone it. a republican senator can see that for herself. it's a sad, sad moment. >> well, both of those in the days leading up to january 5 which was the date of the runoff we were d they scramble together to try to get trump's base to come out for them, even though he is telling the base for two months the election was rigged and to made believe the next one will be, too. we know of other members from these books that have been written that were saying things to kevin mccarthy like these people are going to show up on january 6th and they believe trump won. and it's going to be crazy. and, you know, talking about the need for security. i mean, people were well aware of what a tinder box this was in

the house and the senate. and i do want to say something, nicole, about rafensburger, it is stunning that he survived and he is willing to do that job again in the face of what the base still believes. even though senator didn't win the gubernatorial primary and he thinks he looks like he's going to win again. had his family, the rafensburger family, they lost a child. they had been through so much. they were hunted and harassed and threatened. and it is an extraordinary reminder of what they went through. back to that press conference. somebody could get killed. it's a very serious matter. he looks to fight another day.

it's amazing that he and his family don't want to just run and live in peace somewhere else far from the state of florida. it's quite remarkable. >> there is that size of the story from georgia. he also and gabe sterling supported a law predicated on the big lie they stood up against to make it more difficult to vote. now they'll tout the early voting numbers this week to say, ahh, people can still vote. the lie about fraud and they want to bring this back to judge carter's ruling, the lie infected so much of our politics, of the executive branch of the government. it seeped into every nook and cranny of the justice department. jeffrey clark was the attorney general for a few hours.

>> key to bringing a criminal case and frankly also as you noted, nicole, civil case that could be brought, is presenting to a jury the juxtaposition between what is being said and touted publicly. and what the person knew privately. i've done a slew of cases where that is basically the theme that you go to a jury with. you need to show criminal intent. you need to get the jury to think about the mind of the defendant. and what better to show what the person is saying publicly and contrast it with what you can prove the person knew privately. so that is something that you can see in all sorts of facets of the scheme to overthrow the vote for -- in the presidential election as you note. with respect to georgia, that

plays out on both the state and federal level. the scheme to present to the public the idea that this was a stolen election, to lie about the fraud that was going on in the election, that the numbers are being presented by donald trump and by his minions like rudy giuliani. you get people under pressure to make these representations. you then contrast with what was known publicly and privately. so this is where the judge carter decision is so important. and then the final piece is there are lots of individual stories of people who were directly hurt and threatened like the rafensburgers and sort of poll workers who were working to just make sure the election worked well. but the larger picture is we were all hurt. this is a threat to democracy. with, yes, people that are facing greater individual

threats of safety but the larger picture both in georgia and to the nation at large is that we were all victims of the scheme that donald trump and a lot of people who he was pressuring to be participants with him were engaged in. >> if you had to guess, do you think that donald trump's conduct overturn the result in georgia by repeating statements that he knew were false and using doj to try to overturn that result. do you think that is under criminal investigation by doj right now? >> i think that's part of the investigation that is going on now. it also relates to the scheme to put forth these fraudulent slates of electors which we know are being investigated. subpoenas are issued to people that are in position to have information about these things. i don't think the doj is going to try to step on the toes of the state investigations. there are parts of what happened

there as we are, you know, learning more and more about it that are very relevant to the department's overall investigation. i also just want to comment on, you know, we used a few times here the past tense. but it's not past tense. i mean i just have been on multiple, you know, meetings today about what is going right now fueled by the same lies. the same lies about the 2020 election. they fuel the january 6 violence. that fuelled the false statements that led to threats to secretary of state rafensburger and others. we currently are having a poll workers threatened. you'll get to this later in your segment. we have new voter intimidation effort that's are being driven specifically by claims of fraud. they're intimidating and fraudulent signage outside of drop box polling places in various states. i watched this morning footage of people setting up cameras to -- and standing sort of, you

know, ominously out sued drop box ballot boxes. videotaping people putting ballots in the boxes. and this is being driven by organizations who are trying to there are people because of lies of the fraud are pushing their county commissioners to actually go back to hand counting ballots. it is less relouable, the machine counting based on this fraud. so it goes on and on and on. i could continue with all the fallout that is still hurting people. >> we'll get ourselves -- get you back on to tell us about those conversations and what's being done to protect ourselves and our country and our election

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defense secretary lloyd austin announcing new protections for women and their families in the military to access abortion health care and to protect their health information. saying the supreme court ruling that overturned roe v. wade impacted the recruiting efforts. it comes as the biden administration is making an all hands on deck push to advocate for abortion access as the midterm elections inch closer. including hearing from first lady jill biden. she spoke the aa fund-raiser telling a deep story of helping a friend helping a fwrend abortion before roe. secrecy, silence, danger, death, that's what defined that time for so many women. women will not let this country go backwards. we fought too hard for too long and we know there is just too much on the line. joining us now, former president secretary to the first lady, michael larosea.

thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me here. >> you know more about this story. is this the first time? >> when i read it, it is the first time i heard the story. this is what she talked about a lot. when the decision came down, how this is not abstract for her shechlt lived it. she lived pre-roe. that's what fired her up. but if you know dr. biden, like you know she is sort of the protector of her family's privacy and of her own privacy. >> yeah. >> she doesn't share stories like this very often. that sort of like --that's what blew me away hearing her own personal story about how this affected her. she stepped out of had her comfort zone, i think, because she knows how high the stakes are. that's what she's trying to articulate to women and voters generally about how high the stakes are. >> i worked for a president for whom he was proud that laura

bush was in greater demand. >> yeah. >> really almost from the beginning. but certainly by '06, everybody wanted laura bush. joe bud enis in demand as well. but dr. jill biden is in high demand. does she like doing this? what is her mindset about being on the campaign trail? i don't know what she would say if i said she likes it. she has her own job. her own schedule. but that didn't stop her from campaigning everywhere in 2020. and she was doing three or four events a day in iowa, new hampshire. she never gave up. she never gave up hope. she believed in him so much. >> yeah. >> but she's pretty -- she's pretty good at it. i think what you see, like when she goes into the coffee shops in iowa and the small towns, she sounds like real america. she has this sort of -- just listen to her say coffee. she sounds like she's from the northeast. but she sounds like you and me. she sounds like your aunt. she is normal.

she has a normalist to her that is secret weapon for campaigning. >> the abortion issue, when the decision was made, it was top of mind. and you can say you saw republicans reject the kind of bans that republicans envisioned for whole country. does communicating on this come from this personal place you're talking about or is it sort of matched by the political imperative of reminding people the stakes in the mid terms? >> i think it's more. i think it's both. she made it as such. you know, we were in florida when the decision came down and actually with governor desantis backstage when they were going to deliver remarks at the surf side anniversary, the memorial. and we flew back. we got on the plane. we kind of, you know, all the alerts came in. i can't believe this actually happened. so there was a period where she was just sort of shocked that it happened. but i was really proud of her

first instinct. her first instinct was to fight. that wasn't the most popular idea. i loved it. i was all about it. she is very good at it. i think as a senate spouse, she knows how important the majorities are. and as the wife of a judiciary chairman, she knows that pro-life candidates will not protect women's rights. >> a.b., when this was front and center, as we said, the interest and the sort of voting instincts, it seems like they should bring this issue back to the forefront. >> right. the energy was so high after the decision on june 24th. i was very surprised it was not after the leak of the draft opinion on the second of may.

i think most americans truly did not believe that that was going to be the opinion. and they just went on with their lives. there was this explosion after the dobbs decision on june 24th and all this energy and the kansas referendum and overperformance by democrats. outperforming the polling in special elections throughout the summer when this was front of mind. i think that what is interesting about jill biden is that women in their 70s and older do remember living in the pre-roe america. i think that in addition to younger women and their male counterparts, gen-z americans who have never not known roe v. wade and who are not want roe versus wade, i think it's those women in jill biden's age group that will be the most energized by this. just because they're not telling pollsters it's top of mind, i think the polls show inflation is coming home for republicans. that doesn't mean, i don't think, that abortion voters are

not going to come out in huge numbers as well. >> i totally agree. i will just say this, women all over the country are deleting ovulation trackers from their phones. do you think they're going to tell pollsters who they're going to vote for? i think not. the president has hit the campaign trail. we'll tell you about it next. we'll llte you about it next moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now,

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speaking of the campaign trail, president joe biden making a stop on behalf of lieutenant governor john fetterman as the polls tighten between fetterman and tv personality dr. oz. we're back with michael. pennsylvania is tight. pennsylvania is always tight. you know pennsylvania, but pennsylvania is also personal for this president. talk about what he's trying to do today. >> he's raising a lot of money. >> there's a fund-raiser tonight. >> he's going there to raise money forfeiterman and that's what he needs to do. fetterman needs to stay on par with oz because he's getting pummeled with tv ads. they're using the president effectively. it's a close race. if you look at the polling from 2010, the last time this seat was open, pat toomey led the entire time. maybe once or twice did sestac

pull ahead. fetterman is leading in every poll. if i was the oz campaign i'd be worried about not leading in any poll. it's going to be close but they mirror the polling a similar climate for democrats. so, it looks good forfeiterman, i think. i'd be optimistic, if i were there. >> you mentioned that dr. jill biden, a former senate spouse and president biden is a former senator. everything falls on whether they can keep the senate. >> she talks about how he needs partners. i think, you know, democrats have complained a lot about some of the moderates in our party or some of the roadblocks and barriers in our party. the only way to make some of those barriers less powerful is to elect more democrats. >> to widen the margin. >> yeah. >> it's great to have you. thank you for being here on set with us. we love having friends on our

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upside down. i no longer give out my business card. i don't transfer calls. i don't want anyone knowing my name. i don't go to the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere at all.

>> there is nowhere i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me, lady rub. >> hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york. unfortunately, that is who we are right now. that was the harrowing and devastating testimonies of shaye moss and her mom, ruby freeman. they were just election workers in georgia during the 2020 election. not just. they held our democrat together. that testimony was some of the most troubling we heard during the january 6th select committee's public hearings. they're public servants. they were attacked for simply doing their jobs.

they're now frightened to even go to the grocery store, today. as the ex-president's big lie about vote fraud in the 2020 election continues today unabated. his supporters have become even more emboldened, even more convinced of their delusions, driven to take action on the lies they still believe, making the intimidation and pressure that shaye and ruby experienced an unfortunately common phenomenon in america. a stunning new piece of reporting by reuters takes a detailed look at how elections officials in nevada have been driven out of their positions because they fear for their safety with specific focus on the county and the actions of a nevada businessman named robert beadles. quote, let's tau about treason, that's what beadles told a february 22nd county commissioner's meeting in washo county, the second largest county in this election battleground state. that activism falsely accused of

registering voter and told commissioners to either fire her or lock her up. she and her family faced escalating threats after that accusation. a few months later, scared for the safety of her children, she resigned. reuters examined this problem across the state finding this, quote, ten of nevada's 17 counties, including washoe have seen their top election official resign, retire or decline to seek re-election since the 2020 vote, which the state government calls a drastic exodus. this trend is not just happening in nevada. in pennsylvania more than 50 county election directors or assistant directors have left the state's 57 counties since the 2020 vote. in south carolina's 46 counties, 22 election directors have left office and 30% of texas election officials have exited over the same period of time. in one county, the entire election staff resigned. many officials in those states

said threats, harassment and incessant voter fraud claims were the driving factors in the resignation. once again, it's the whole point, the resignations are the strategies, all part of the goal of trump and pro-trump activists who want to disrupt and dismantle our democracy, transform how elections are run, making the stakes of the upcoming midterms and all future elections do or die. quote, it's going to keep going, spikula said, because you know what's coming on the other side of the election? more nastiness. the harassment and intimidation of election workers is where we begin the hour with our favorite friends. chair of the department of african american studies at princeton university, an msnbc contributor. back with us, because she mentioned she had been working on this all day long, former acting assistant general mary mccore and rick stengel, former

top state department official and msnbc political analyst. mary, when you said you had been on calls all day and you said what we tried to convey all day, that the damage to our democracy is ongoing, the damage to our sense of domestic security and the damage to our national security because our weakened democracy, we wanted you to be part of this conversation. tell me what you see from your perch. >> well, the data you gave and that reuters story is so important. new data has come out, one in three election workers have quit since 2020. the u.s. department election task force has had more than 1,000 reports of threats. 11% they're investigating as criminal threats. and a large -- more than half of those come from swing states. part of the reason i'm talking about this with people today because there are so many people concerned. i'm was talking to former elected officials in one swing

state this morning about the fact that what is happening, and this is part of a very concerted strategy, a decentralized localized strategy, is that threats are being made against election workers, election officials. they're leaving out of fear. and they're being replaced by people who don't believe in the results of the 2020 election and won't commit to accepting the results of the midterms or the 2024 election. that is a serious threat to our democracy when we will have people in positions to actually be in charge of the tabulating ballots. of course, we have others running for positions like secretary of state and governors, which also will be in positions of certifying the votes in their state who don't believe in the 2020 -- the results of the 2020 election. so, it's extremely destructive to our democracy. and i want to reiterate a point that representative liz cheney made last week in the last hearing of the select committee,

she said our institutions held in 2020 because the men and women of good faith who made them hold, but there's no guarantee those people will be there in the future. they certainly won't be when they're driven out by threats and violence. >> so, when policymakers travel abroad, they get briefed on the country. and when i worked in the white house, the state of democracy or the state of that country's elections was always included. what do you think it would say when a foreign leader comes to america, what do you think that briefing looks like for the state of our democracy? >> well, that's such an interesting question because there are indexes on the fragility of democracy. the u.s. didn't use to be on that index but they are now. that's remarkable that a country that has been founded on the idea of representative democracy that deliberately has, you know, the federal government and the state governments, and then within each government you've

got checks and balances within the federal government between the branches, judicial, legislative, executive, and the same at the state level. this effort to override all these established checks and balance, override the structure that our framers had intended, and do so through threats and harassment and violence, that's something that, you know, we haven't faced in modern history. and my guess is that, you know, depending on where foreign leaders are going and who they're meeting with, i guess that would adjust what kind of briefing they're getting. you know, we can't be looked to any more as a beacon of normalcy and stability and transparency when it comes to our elections. >> and what is the consequence of that? when we're weakened on the world stage, when we're not viewed as an example of a democracy that's driving and healthy, what happens? i think that, too, was donald trump's point. >> yeah, you know, as you

indicated in introducing me, i was former acting assistant general for national security. this is a national security problem because our democracy is what has sustained us over so many years. it's what allowed us to flourish economically, militarily, you know, in civil rights, everything, and when that is weakened, we're no longer a leader on the world stage and that will make us suffer across many different vectors. i think it's important also that people understand one of the issues, one of the drivers behind some of these efforts to undermine democracy, we're the drivers behind this idea of the fraudulent elector scheme, the scheme by which swing states put forth slates of electors for the losing candidate, donald trump, in order to try to convince vice president pence not to accept the electoral college votes. either send it back to the states or accept these fake

votes. this is all part of an effort to, you know, really push forward this idea of independent state legislature theories, a theories in the supreme court this fall. one that would at its broadest view, the view being advocated by partisan actors would really entrench within one party in a state legislature the ability ever more to entrench that party's place, you know, leading the state. so, that's probably more than we can get into right now. it's probably worth a whole other segment. there's a lot of pieces at play. the house select committee has done its work, as doj has done their work, investigative reporters are doing their work, we're seeing puzzles come together. >> we're going to give you moonlighting job as executive producer. you said something so important and you said it in passing, but economies can't flourish. this is where they're nudging the country, right?

in autocracies, ailing democracies, economies can't flourish. what's the -- what is the destination, right? is that where in the future debates about seceding, where does all the power end up in independent state legislatures? >> if you have election deniers in charge of elections and election deniers running for state legislator, you have the ability for those people to win those positions and at the broad view of the independent state legislature doctrine, or theory, i should say, because it's not a doctrine, that would mean the legislature could draw the redistricting maps that are done after every census, they could draw those with excessive and partisan gerrymandering and there could be no state constitutional review of what

the independent legislators what do. that is the theory now in front of the supreme court. that the state legislature's authority over the times, places and manner of choosing senators and representatives is solely with the state legislature by virtue of a provision of the constitution called the elections clause. at that most -- but most scholars throughout history and supreme court precedent throughout history has always viewed a state legislature as just piece of the state government that is structured under the state constitution. so, if the state legislature has this plenary authority t can entrench one party forever more and we will have a serious divide among the states that is irreparable. there could be nothing more antithetical to the idea of the framers of having representative democracy. the idea of the state legislature the framers had is that the state legislatures were the closest to the people, the

most representative of the people. but this theory would throw that really on its head. don't get me started about the electors clause because at the broadest view of the independent state legislature theory under the electors clause, the state legislature could actually overrule the vote of the people by determining the electors that would be sent up on behalf of that state to vote in a presidential election. so, it's a dangerous theory and it's one that is currently at issue in the supreme court. >> no one should be mistaken, but what mary just outlined is their plan. now, because donald trump seemed so ignorant of policy and law, we don't always associate him with it, but it is precisely, it is precisely the natural extension of what is under way on the right. >> there's a realization they can't win. they've lost the popular vote repeatedly.

they're trying to read the terms of the game. what we just heard was the blueprint for an effort to really undermine our democracy. and that blueprint consists of a number of different elements, a number of different parts which we've just detailed, and you've been detailing for a while now. then the architecture of terror. there's the blueprint that gives us the idea of what the plan looks like and the architecture of terror is how they execute. how they go about building this thing. and part of what we see in this is that the architecture of terror is not just the terror itself, the act itself then generates fear. it has a chilling effect. it's like leaving mike brown's body in the middle of the street. it's like arresting people in tampa bay. it leads people to make decisions. i'm not going to come and volunteer to participate so downstream you begin to move people out of the political process because of fear and then you can put your people in place and take it over. we saw this at the -- this is at the hard of redemption.

at the end of the civil war and collapses ive reconstruction. these were some of the clear elements of how some local governments were literally overthrown by forces not committed to democracy at all. >> rick, we are so -- we don't have any of the synapses firing to be so critical of ourselves. what mary has done in both of our hours is extraordinary. i'm sure her entire career of protecting u.s. national security was protecting us from threats outside. we have not yet transformed ourselves to protect ourselves from threats within. >> yes, democracy -- voting is the primary right by which our other rights are guaranteed. >> which is why it's under attack. >> it is under attack. to go back to that point about how we're regarded around the world, people never liked us lecturing at them and they're saying now you're not a bastion of democracy. one place, freedom house, has shown a decline of democracy around the world for the last 16 years. and the u.s. for the last three

or four years. so, that's tragic. to go to the election theory, one of the things -- and mary stated it beautifully. remember, what republicans are trying to do is take us back to the 18th century where senators were not elected by voters, where the president wasn't elected by voters. this independent legislative theory was that we're not democracy, that individual votes don't matter. that's what's to dangerous about this. it undermines this idea that people choose, we count the votes and we're majoritarian country. part of the reason republicans are doing this is because they can't win fairly. once upon a time poll workers just wanted to count the vote. they might have been recruited by republicans or democrats. today i was preparing for this show, i was so depressed, i registered to be a poll worker

in my county. >> that's amazing. >> you can do it on your phone. i would advise everybody to do it. it's really easy. certainly in new york city. >> are you nervous at all about doing it or do you feel it's your duty? >> well, it's -- well, everybody's duty to vote and to help people to vote. i don't feel nervous about it at all, no. >> i'm glad you did that. someone said to me today that the test that we are all taking, if we know it or not, if within two years if trump ascends to power again and the john durham style investigation predicated on a corrupt idea that ultimately yields in nothing and has the power of the justice department to investigate and destroy lives, that that becomes the norm, can you look your family in the eye and say, i did everything i could? how many people do you think can answer that question and say yes, in our politics?

>> not many. to be honest with you. you know, courage is in low supply. i mean, we're running deficits in courage and conviction these days. and it seems to me the reason for that, and that's a really interesting question. the reason for it is to be a kind of odd, toxic brew that i've said before of greed and selfishness and cowardliness and grievance and hatred. i don't know if people -- even look at the latest poll data, nicolle, where some independents and some democrats are saying they're willing to vote for some people who may be election deniers, if i understand the question correctly. we're running deficits in courage and conviction. so that line wouldn't be very long, in my view. >> mary, in the national security establishment, i know there was a sense when trump won that the country could survive four years but not eight. i know that feeling became

particularly acute in the period between november and january when national security officials who tend to have the most multilateral conversations and relationships, we're hearing the kind of things you cited and rick looked at, around the world democracy is no longer viewed as the best, far from it. what is the conversation and what is the sense about whether or not people really understand -- it's not the voters' failure if they don't understand the stakes. it's our failure as a media, a policymakers' failure, what is the sense of whether or not people understand the stakes right now before our country and protecting the democracy before it's too late? >> so, i think that's a really difficult question for two reasons. i feel and you can probably tell by the things i said today, this is a purposeful strategy. i'm not suggesting there's one puppet master directing everything in every state or every jurisdiction or every county. if there was a puppet master, it

would be donald trump. he is the driver of the disinformation that is causing this decentralized, localized strategy. i may have said it before, but we know that's a strategy of extremists because they promote it as county over country. capture your county, maybe a few, capture your state. that's the kind of thing we see happening. so, i feel compelled to make people understand that what might be going on in their own small town or county or state is part of a much bigger strategy to use lies and disinformation to drive this political violence and these efforts to undermine democracy and that people are being use the, really, as pawns when they're being fed these lies over social media, over cable news that is not responsible fact-based news. even in some brit newspapers that are not responsible, fact-based news.

and people are vulnerable to this for all kinds of reasons that should be discussed and things that need to be addressed, are but they're vulnerable to this and they need to be able to steel themselves for it. on the other hand, the more air we give to the movement, whether it's through media, whether it's me talking about it or anybody else, the more we give an outside attention to what still is -- even though it's pervasive and it's important and it's dangerous, it's still, you know, i hope, not the mainstream. by giving more coverage to it, do you just exacerbate it? one of the events i did today was a panel for members of the media, about how to talk about things. not naming some extremist groups, not using hyperbolic language. making sure when you do interviews, you're also interviewing people who have been targeted, who are victims,

if you will, of whether it's threats and harassment or voter intimidation and not just focusing on the bad guys. all of these are things i think we need to be thinking about as a country. you know, it's -- it's tough right now because of our social media environment and the lies that are just continuing to be propagated, including by trump and his surrogates. it's a very tough thing to push back against. >> people should understand, you just articulated a counterextremism approach. you don't celebrate and lift up the extremists. you humanize the victims, you make people see themselves and the victims. it could happen to anyone. rick here is a poll worker. ruby and shaye moss are poll workers. it's extraordinary we're having this conversation about our own country. it should never feel normal to any of us. eddy, mary mccord, thank you for spending time with us. mary, thank you for pivoting our entire conversation for today.

we're really grateful to you. rick sticks around. when we come back, the resignation today of prime minister liz truss has thrown the uk into chaos. it should be a flashing red warning sign for some of us at home. that is because the economic policy that truss tried and failed to put in place is basically the same policy republicans in this country are pushing and promising if they win in three weeks. the results could be equally disastrous. we'll have that conversation next. plus, iran has been engulfed in protests in response to the death of a 22-year-old woman killed in police custody, who was arrested for improperly wearing a hijab. it is a major movement in support of women's rights in the islamic republic. it could be a tipping point. one of their leaders will be our guest at the table. we're so excited about that. more on our deadline special report about the mental health emergency in our country. today our focus is on our kids, the teenagers and unique and painful struggles they are facing right now and some

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michael is back. and he's more dangerous. maybe the only way he can die... is if i die too. [ screaming ] sure, there are some rays of hope. i love what liz truss is doing. i think it's exactly the right agenda of cutting taxes, reducing government spending, deregulating, moving back towards fossil fuels. it's exactly what the united states should be doing. >> you know, seriously saying that biden and the democrats will cut taxes, lower regulation in the united states -- >> no, they're not going to do that. >> they're not going to do that. >> they're going to do the exact

opposite. >> you're right. they're not going to do it. as my friend, larry kudlow would say, the cavalry is coming. >> did they think we wouldn't find that? that was less than a month ago, stephen moore, served as economic adviser to donald trump himself, heaping praise on an economic plan and set of policies that would ultimately result in the shortest term for the uk prime minister ever. ever. never anyone lasted less time. right now, i'm sure you've heard the news, liz truss, aforementioned british prime minister resigned after 44 days in office. to say her trickle-down economic plan based largely on $48 billion in unfunded tax cuts, would be overstating things. the pound plunged. the approval rating fell to minus 70 and a tabloid newspaper set up to livestream to see if her term would outlast a head of

lettuce. it did not. by the way, we sent our congratulations to a shead of lettuce. as the parliament and tory party get ready to select another leader, remember what stephen moore said at the top, quote, the cavalry is coming. he's talk willing about republicans retaking the house in three weeks in america, which would allow the republican party in america to enact economic measures identical to the ones that resulted in a resounding rejection by the british people of truss. let's bring in katty kay from bbc studios and rick is still here. i've covered brexit with you, i've covered american elections with you. i don't know that i've seen something like this story. tell me how it's being covered and received in the uk. >> i was just listening to your introduction, and i had that kind of -- my stomach is slightly turning from the amount of chaos that the uk has gone through. i guess in some ways it's quite nice to be sitting here in

america and thinking this is not the only country in the western world where politics seems to be in complete shambles every now and again. look, this is serious because it's -- brits are facing an awful winter. the economic situation is terrible. and the last thing, frankly, the democracies around the world need is a democracy like the united kingdom, which is generally looked at as being stable, centrist, effective, being in the kind of chaos it is in. just listening to your last conversation, we don't need that. we don't need another sign that democracy can't deliver and that democratically elected leaders are massively out of step with their populations in the way the uk government seems to have been over the last 45 days. so, it's -- it would be funny if it weren't also very sad. >> and what was rejected, rick, were the policies that republicans are out in public running on? >> yes.

i mean, trickle-down economics in an inflationary cycle is exactly the thing that makes inflation worse. that's economics 101. but, you know, i want to make a larger point in keeping with our theme of democracy's decline. as inept as she was, that was democracy working. >> absolutely. >> she's a leader of a democracy who was responding to incredible outrage on the part of the public and her own party and who resigned. and because of those terrible economic policies. you know where that didn't happen? that didn't happen with mao in china, fidel castro, that didn't happen with putin, all of whom had terrible economic policies, and in the case of those three, killed millions and millions of people. that's not democratic. so, you know, i -- i'm not happy that the uk is unstable at the moment and katty made a good point about that. in the largest sense, it was

democracy working. >> and a responsive government. it is responding. katty, tell us what happens next. >> look, i think it's responsive to some degree, right? liz truss was selected in this strange parliamentary system by 100,000 odd people, not by a country of 50 odd million people, but by 100,000 conservative who tend to veer to the right of the party. now the whole conservative party has to grapple with the question of, what do we do to get a prime minister into power who can get through those -- a bit like the right of the republican party, who can get through that, if you like, that primary process where things tend to be more extreme, but also reflect the general will of the public? liz truss did not do that. yes, she was democratically elected, but in a way the democratic system was not reflecting the will of the people and was certainly not reflecting what financial markets thought was good for the united kingdom. boris johnson, who was on holiday in the caribbean, classy

boris johnson, is now flying home to see if he can succeed his successor. that may be where we end up. the torys say they want a unified leader. i think a bit like the republican party, someone who unifies the right of the conservative party with the center of the conservative party is going to be extremely difficult for them to do, especially as they promised to do it within the space of one week. >> rick, what do you think happens next? >> rishi sunak who ran against liz truss among the conservative party voters, right now it's either rishi or somebody else. if the election is just among mps in parliament rather than the whole party as a whole, he will become the next prime minister. if it goes to all of those conservative party voters, the 80,000, which will take time, it might be something else. i think it's just rishi versus all the people against him.

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so important today, but this may be the most important story. for nearly two months, protests have erupted and been sustained all over iran after 22-year-old mahsa amini died in police custody. she was arrested for violating that country's strict dress code, failing to fully cover her hair with a hijab. police say that she died after slipping into a coma after an illness, but her family said, no, no, no. they reveal witness accounts that say she was beaten to death by officers. her death ignited nationwide protests, led primarily by women and young women and old women, women of all ages. which is posed one of the most serious challenge and threats to the iranian regime since the 1978 revolution. these demonstrations have also been met with harsh and brutal resistance from the iranian revolutionary guard. they have restricted the

internet, shut it down in some cases, arrested thousands and used deadly force to silence these protesters, many of them women. according to the nonprofit iran human rights, at least 215 people have been killed, that we know of, in the protests since they started. 27 children are among the dead. our next guest has been and continues to be an important leader in this resistance against the iranian regime since 2014, journalist and activist -- let me get this right -- masih alinejad has published videos of women removing their head scarves allowing millions to see their bravery and serve as a beacon for their protests. as the protests continue, masih is turning her attention to the west. in a leader to president joe biden she is pleading with him to change policy to iran. she writes, islamic republic is a radical cause, not an ordinary

country. its supreme leader has consistently prioritized the welfare over its own citizens. your administration has made the contest between autocracy and democracy a central theme. we are honored to welcome you to our table. >> thank you for having me. >> tell me what's happening right now in iran. >> first of all, i have to say that leaders are inside iran telling me and millions of people around the world that this is a tipping point. >> really? >> yeah. >> wow. >> because they are sacrificing their life, facing guns and bullets. it has been more than a month. teenagers are getting killed. people know that. if they go to the street, they might not be able to go back home. but they say, we are here to end this regime. that is why i actually sent a

letter to president biden. in my meeting with secretary blinken and jake sullivan, i said that, if you stick with nuclear talk and ignore these people, the history will judge you. but i have to say now, i think they're shifting their policy. i think they're hearing us, especially president biden are now more tough to islamic republic, but still we need more actions. >> tell me about the women, tell me about what they risk to be -- i mean, a climber, right, was arrested. she's in jail. we don't know how she is. she competed in south korea without her hijab. tell me about what women are doing. >> can you believe that? competing without hijab, just like us. >> like us. >> and then she is like criminal in the eyes of the islamic republic. >> will she get out? >> of course. she is now being used by the islamic republic to say to the rest of the world that we're not going to touch her.

thanks to international coverage, that's why i say if international communities, media, politicians get together and give voice to these leaders and powerful women inside iran, powerful men inside iran, then the regime cannot touch them. still, this is a barbaric regime, which is going to use the world cup next month, sports to whitewash its murdering. there is a petition going around among iranians calling the democratic countries that people are getting killed. clearly for fighting against gender apartheid regime. now this is your turn, this is your time, that you have to close their embasembassies, kic the diplomats and kick out the islamic football federations. half the population, women are not allowed to go to stadiums. >> gender apartheid, that's exactly what it is. they view you as a threat. i've read lots of reporting about the risks you take in

speaking out for your country. >> because i'm a woman. they're scared of women. for years and years i have been warning the rest of the world about the danger of hijab police. i launched a campaign eight years ago where women were practicing their civil disobedience, walking, lonely soldier fighting against compulsory hijab, morality police. the world ignored us. female politicians were going to my country, wearing the same hijab that iranian women were resisting. so, my -- >> and that weakens the movement, right? >> of course, of course. like, i remember that i was interviewing two clerics. they were telling me that look at katherine, look at federico, the high representative of eu, they wear hijab to respect our culture. who are you? how dare you? so, that actually shows now the rest of the world, if we don't get united, if we don't support each other, these deckdictators

are going to kill more people. president zelenskyy recently announced that the iranian regime provided drones to kill -- >> civilians. >> -- ukrainians. so, they are helping putin. it's not too much to ask that democratic countries get united the same way dictators are united to end this gender apartheid. i keep saying gender apartheid regime because i want people to understand, this is the 21st century and we deserve to have freedom of choice as well. >> what do you need from the west and how do we sustain attention -- women are taking the risk, you're taking a risk, people try to harm you and your family. >> new york, on u.s. soil, they were trying to kidnap me. if the fbi didn't stop the kidnapping plot or didn't arrest the man with loaded gun in front of my house, i don't even know how -- imagine he would -- he open fire. how many of my neighbors, americans, would get killed.

so, that's the regime, killing, torturing, taking hostage is in the dna of the islamic republic. people can help a lot. in america, they can actually call to their senators, representative. they're working for you. ask them, ask them to be tough on the islamic terror. the fact that what came from the leaders of my country, my people don't say death to america in the streets now. you don't hear a single slogan like saying we want to have nuclear deal. clearly they say we want to end this regime. this is just the beginning. we -- it's a marathon. we have a long road and tough road ahead. >> do you feel hopeful that this is it, that the regime will fall? >> yeah. look, the regime have two options. they can kill more people, that creates more anger. they can say, okay, we're going to abolish morality police or

get rid of hijab. this is going to be an end for islamic republic because hijab is the main pillar of isis, taliban, and islamic republic. >> yeah. i mean, what's so amazing, a younger person was asking me, a child, and i was showing them pictures from the early 1970s when -- i mean, it's such -- it's such a modern phenomenon. thank you so much. it's great to have you here. >> thank you. i hope one day i can have you in iran without forcing you to wear hijab. >> i won't wear one. thank you for being here. when we come back -- thank you very much. when we come back, our new deadline special report, a look at the mental health emergency facing millions of americans. today a the unique struggle so many of our kids and teenagers are going through and what's being done to help them. we'll be back with that after a short break. short break.

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providing mental health care for kids. just reading about the teens in crisis and feeling their pain or living through it firsthand through your own family or through a close friend, it's gut wrenching. but it's a really big component of the mental health emergency in our country. as part of our special series, i sat down with one doctor who's leading the way with an innovative and successful approach the getting teens and kids the help they need when it comes the their mental health, starting knowing when there's a problem. i asked her what warning signs every parent should look for. >> not wanting to go to school. that's a benign basic thing we'll see. there could be a host of reasons for that. then not going to school. not talking about feelings. not trusting enough to let out some information. we don't need our teens to be telling us everything that's going on with them. they're not going to gain independence that way. they need to be able to make

mistakes, but just a baseline of trust established. we can't write them off at just, oh, they don't talk to me and they isolate in their room, and we're okay with that. that's a big warning sign. hearing from the teachers about certain behaviors that are happening in school. but don't just react. take the time to recognize that something's going on internally from a kid and let me help figure out what that is. >> that was the amazing doctor director of an innovative high school in new york, it's called the cares. it incorporates mental health treatment into school, regular classes. joining me now, dr. michael anderson, senior adviser to the children's hospital in washington, d.c., working on the front lines to confront this crisis, the children's mental health crisis. let me show you more of that. she talked to us about what

would have happened if she hadn't had this intervention, if she hadn't met the doctor. >> what do you think would have happened if you hadn't are come here? >> i think i would have dropped out of school. >> totally? >> yeah. or maybe taken my life or been in the hospital. >> really? >> yes. absolutely. >> wow. >> yeah, it wasn't a good time for me. it was horrible. >> so, for you, there was this fork in the road, right? >> mm-hmm. >> and cares is sort of at that fork. what about the way you can connect -- and you talked about grounding, even if it's just within yourself and it's not something you're showing with others, what about this approach where you can walk out of an academic class and recenter and deal with the trauma or deal with whatever put you on that path, what about this is different and special? what works?

>> definitely better than being in a regular public high school. being here where people -- you're surrounded by people who care so much to actually pay attention to you and give you time you need, no judgments. it's a really good thing. >> so, dr. anderson, i was so moved by z and by the doctor, but it's also these simple things, being listened to, being heard, being believed that you're in pain. >> it's such a crisis, and that's what you said at the beginning. and what an inspirational story. and first, i must say thank you, thank you for bringing a spotlight to this crisis, because first and foremost you have to talk about it. it's not easy to talk about it. we don't like the talk about mental health, but we've got to talk about it. number two, there are real tips and tools and important things that families can do,

downloading -- don't just say -- to your child, look for these warning signs. three, i think it's wonderful that that high school provides resources for kids, and that is terrific for that school. we've got to make sure the rest of the nation starts to bring these tools so everyone can benefit from them. we're not going to get out of this crisis unless we expand those kinds of tools and services. >> i had every conversation with you about the pandemic, about the pandemic, right? and i think a little bit in i started to ask you about our kids and mental he'll. and you always convey that pediatricians wanted both. wanted them safe, but believe they belonged in school. what are you seeing now on your three learning to live with the pandemic? kids are back in school, but it's just kind of still there. >> it is, and it's terrific kids are back in school. i think we are seeing the nation thaw. we're getting to this new normal. but a year ago, the american

academy of pediatrics declared an emergency in children's mental health and just sent a letter to the administration highlighting advances, and there have been some am them, but there are disconcerting numbers. the number of children waiting, just like you showed in the headline, to get a bed are through the roof. children with anxiety and eating disorders and the mental health professionals is one-fifth of what this nation needs. it is good kids are back in school, good we're getting back to some new normalcy, but it's a year in from that declaration. the aap and children hospitals are still declaring -- we're still in crisis. we have a lot of work to do. >> i don't know that there is a more important national imperative without any political agenda, but taking care of our kids, physically and mentally. dr. anderson, thank you so much for being part of this conversation and helping us

highlight the special. you can watch the entire interview with the doctor and z. the interview and all four episodes of "deadline special report," are streaming now on peacock. check it out and let me know what you think. tomorrow we'll be on the "today" show. tune in if you're up. quick break for us. we'll be right back. right back. ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.

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