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>> we were getting ready for a big celebration. we were winning everything, and all of a sudden, it was just called off. so we'll be going to the u.s. supreme court. we want all voting to stop. we don't want them to find any ballots at 4:00 in the morning and add them to the list. >> that, of course, was donald trump on election night, calling for the nullification of mail-in ballots. that was part of the plot to overturn the election. and now, text messages have surfaced from former georgia senator kelly loeffler revealing even more details of that plot. >> plus, the phony republican narrative that abortion rights is fading as an issue. they're gaslighting women about what's at stake in the midterms and tonight's democracy defender is taking on the powerful maga forces in arizona. who want to control how votes are cast and counted, as the threat of violence increases

against election workers. we begin tonight with the midterm elections. now just 19 days away. but here's the thing. for many americans, election day is not the only day to vote. in several states like california, arizona, and georgia, the election has already begun. 46 states offer early in-person voting. and when it comes to early voting in the modern era t is democrats as well as younger voters and black voters that tend to vote this way. while older and republican voters have traditionally relied more heavily on absentee voting. while election day voting has historically been more of a jump ball. that's why republican states keep trying to mess with early voting. why they're fixated on limiting or flat out terminating early in-person voting on sundays, a move aimed at black churches that conduct souls to the polls events after service, and why republican so-called voting reform has almost always left

absentee balloting alone. so this election, new numbers by target smart re-enforce these points. showing 56% of early voters so far have been registered democrats. and just 34% have been republicans. that's more than in usual years. here is where it gets weird. voter trends got flipped in 2020. due to the pandemic. but also because of one man's desperation to stay in power, win or lose. donald trump did something no republican in my lifetime has ever done. he vilified absentee voting. why did he do that? because even red states were making absentee voting more available as a safer, health saving option during the pandemic. so both democrats and republicans and independents, everyone was using it. but what trump wanted his voters to believe was that absentee voting was inherently bad. his postal director even interfered with mail delivery, seemingly to hurt absentee vote

delivery. and trump voters responded by turning against absentee voting and shifting to election day voting as the only legitimate form of voting. thanks to the january 6th committee, we can now put together why trump would do that, upending decades of successful republican use of absentee voting. it's because of the way votes are counted. on election night, states count the same day vote. some states have precounted the early vote by election night. ah, but the absentees, those come in later. and those tallies can change the whole count. so what looks like a republican victory on election night suddenly is a democratic victory days or even weeks later. as the sometimes slow, laborious and in 2020, contentious process of vote counting continues. a narrative form, a false one, of course, that the shift in who was winning as the absentee votes got counted meant trump's election night victory was stolen and a stop the steal

movement was born, but trump needed more than fake outrage to stay in power. he needed house and senate members object. enter kelly loeffler. she was once the richest member of congress who called black lives matter a marxist organization. almost 60 pages of text from her iphone have been obtained by the atlanta journal constitution revealing conversations during her final weeks in office as she fought to hold on to her seat. remember, she was in a tight run-off battle against democrat raphael warnock. a special election in january 2021 at the very time that trump and his allies were working around the clock to cast doubt over the november election results. the texts reveal how at the time, loeffler's georgia colleagues pressured her to join trump's crusade, like marjorie taylor soon to be mrs. ex-greene, who in early december texted to loeffler, hey, i need to talk with you about a plan we're developing on how to vote

on the electoral college votes on january 6th. i need a senator and i think this is a major help for you to win on the 5th. marjorie would text loeffler again on december 20th inviting her to a white house meeting that she said she organized with trump, his legal team, and members of congress who are going to challenge the electoral college votes for joe biden in several key states on january 6th. loeffler responded, i'm with ivanka all day monday, but i have said everything is on the table with regard to january 6th. the atlanta journal constitution reports loeffler ultimately could not resist trump's insistence that she support his plan. given threats that he would abandon her campaign. he demanded that she announce her support in exchange for trump holding the last-minute georgia rally that she desperately needed. loeffler would lose to warnock on january 5th, 2021, the same day that trump adviser steve bannon warned on his radio show

that all hell was going to break loose the next day. january 6th. and we know what happened next. so what happens in two weeks if republican candidates who think they're winning on election day end up not winning after all, after the votes are tallied? but even the most skilled liar must sometimes face his lies. something the january 6th committee is diligently working on. the january 6th committee met today to finalize the timing of when it will issue its subpoena to donald trump, the subpoena is expected to drop any day now. joining me is charles coleman, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst, and stuart stevens, senior adviser of the lincoln project. stuart, i want to be with you. i have been aware of politics my adult life, but ever since i have worked in campaigns, it was always republicans who voted absentee. it's how in 2004 it kind of looked good for john kerry when

i was working down there in florida for an outside group, watching this election come in. the early vote was strong for kerry, because black voters, young voters, people who have to work every day and can't necessarily hang out on election day, they voted strongly for kerry, and then you had the election day vote where really republicans usually have to catch up and see if they can overwhelm the number of early votes that democrats have put in place, and then the absentee votes almost always meant that if those came in and it was close, they were going to win. what do you make of what looks like evidence now that trump deliberately turned that table over, deliberately turned his voters against this form of voting so that he could claim that absentee votes were the steal? >> you know, you're absolutely right, joy. when i was coming up in the republican party, it was sort of a rite of passage to work in the absentee chase program, like working in the mail room. and we always prided ourselves

on doing it better than anybody else. there was a whole system, three touches, you follow up. it's how connie mack got elected to senate. took a while, like 48 hours before they knew who was going to win that. you know, the irony of this is what trump did probably played a key role in one of the more astonishing days in american political history when two democratic senators were elected at the same day in a run-off, and people don't grasp how difficult it is, it's like winning the world series with four perfect games. it's a self-defeating thing, and i can guarantee you that people inside the republican senatorial committee and the congressional committee, they hate this. they hate that trump did this. but it is part of this process that republicans are engaged in in destroying faith in our electoral system. and that's what they want. >> right, exactly, and the thing is they have broken absentee ballots, but also it feels like, charles, let me bring you in here. it feels like this is the seeds

of the conspiracy. he's thinking what can i break here? you want your people to vote, but you want them to vote in a particular way that you can say the way that the other people voted is demonstrably fraudulent. let me play, this is a little mash-up of some of what republicans who went to the january 5th and the january 6th ultimately, you know, capitol hill events, the events in d.c. that presaged the january 6th insurrection, this is what these republicans were saying. take a listen. >> i have got a question for you, is there any person here that actually thinks that joe biden won this election? >> we will not allow the liberals and the democrats to steal our dream or steal our elections. >> let's have trial by combat. >> one more quick thing, i want

to play this piece of sound, this is steve bannon on january 5th. take a look. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's all converging and now we're on, as they say, the point of attack. the point of attack tomorrow. >> if you're in the justice department, charles, does it now start to come together as a conspiracy that trump must have been involved in? >> i think we have been closer. we're not all the way there entirely, but i think that in terms of the groundwork being laid and the dots being connected, there's very little left to go. we have seen quite enough to understand that donald trump was very much so even if he wasn't the originator or the orchestrator, he certainly was someone who was in on the execution of what it was this conspiracy was intended to do, which is disrupt the certification of votes on january 6th. that's what we're talking about

with respect to the committee and ultimately the goal of what everyone sought to accomplish. so while we don't necessarily have trump's finger exactly on the scale or caught red handed, this is another brick in the road leading directly toward donald trump being a key figure, if not the key figure, in terms of being involved in the overall january 6th plot to overthrow the united states government. >> and we'll see what happens had the subpoena comes out and what the wording is. stuart, the one thing we do know is donald trump has left this strategy behind as basically a permanent strategy, to vilify any form of voting that is not on election day. here is marco rubio, part of the new schtick. here it is. >> there's a danger involved in drop boxes. people need to think about it. imagine someone decides, oh, there's a drop box. i'm going to put an explosive in it and burn the ballots and the votes don't count at all. >> that's dumb, but it's part of the schtick, right? now what you have happening,

arizona, alleged voter intimidation at drop boxes. people following people from drop boxes, intimidating them. you have trump allies probing for election system weaknesses in texas and other key states. you have the arizona attorney general's office who is a republican asking for a federal investigation of true the vote, which is known for following voters and intimidating them. you have now created a narrative inside the republican party that all elections are suspect, and anyone who votes any other way but election day is suspect. that means that we are all in danger just going to the polls. >> yeah, i mean, look. the reality is that no one in the history of sports ever tried to change the rules of a game they were winning. there's a reason republicans are doing this. and that is because they're trying to reduce the number of people who can vote, and they self select the number of people who can vote. and it is a critical process and the way to an autocracy to develop a legal theory that will support it. if georgia changes its law so

the state legislature can overturn the popular vote when georgia overturns the popular vote, it's not going to be illegal. it all goes back to on january 6th, this was all about race. all of the areas that they talked about having suspicious votes were atlanta, detroit, philadelphia, and it was just another effort to deny african americans a way to express themselves, to vote, to participate in the american experiment. and it's an ugly continuation of jim crow. and those that supported it, but look, 57%, i think, of the house voted not to certify. and i don't know any good reason. that's probably not going to be 70% plus next time. >> and charles, i'll give you the last word on this because you were given a nonverbal amen here, but that's the thing. republicans have lost -- they don't have a strategy to get black voters, young voters, voters who care about climate, you know, working class nonwhite

voters to vote for them. the majorities of those voters are going to vote for democrats and just that's kind of gone, right? they have lost that opportunity because of some of their rhetoric. so what they seem to be doing is the ways in which those voters vote, we'll just take them off the table, then we win. >> joy, what you and stuart have so eloquently and respectfully put into play, i will call plain for the viewers. republicans have given up and abandoned their strategy on anything resembling inclusion and doubled down on the idea of codifying white nationalism. and i say that because white nationalism, it was for first for the systems and involvement of politics and of other systems that are fundamental to american democracy. and the belief that those systems are reserved for certain people. those people not being people who look like me and you, joy. i think that what you're seeing is since they can't win, as stuart was saying, and they're already behind and leaving the

notion of inclusion outside of anything that they're willing to consider or to engage, now these strategies have to be how do we make it illegal, not just difficult, but literally illegal for more people to participate in these civic processes. >> yeah, it's why their very favorite cable news host touts white replacement theory which is a fundamentally racist dogma and whines as if he's the victim of racism and complains about people on this network when he's pushing a white nationalist view on tv every night. it's quite interesting. charles coleman, stuart stevens, thank you. >> up next on "the reidout," the republican effort to gaslight women voters. you don't really care about abortion. all you care about is inflation. got to feed your hubby and kids we're going to make you have, right, gals? but guess what, reproductive rights are an economic issue. "the reidout" continues after this.

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midterm election is now less than three weeks away, and in the final stretch, i have noticed and i don't know if you have noticed, frankly, this gaslighting of women voters. this message that says, you don't really care about your right to control your own body, dears, it's the economy, stupid. republicans certainly want you to think about that and the beltway media is helping push that narrative with headlines touting recent polls some with tiny sample sizes, suggesting republicans are surging.

the red wave is back, we can go back to the pre-dobbs narrative because the economy is the most important issue. add to that bad faith questions like this one president biden took in on wednesday. >> just hoping to clarify for midterm voters. top domestic issue, inflation or abortion? >> all important. unlike you, there's no one thing. >> i mean, this may be news to republicans and fox news reporters. but women are part of the economy. abortion is an economic issue. it's an economic issue in texas, where a woman nearly died of an infection because doctors couldn't perform a legal abortion. health care is free in america, as you know, and if not being able to get an abortion leaves you sicker, that costs. it's an economic issue when as the "wall street journal" reported, a tennessee doctor had to send a woman in a medical emergency on a six-hour ambulance ride, again, not for free, to end her pregnancy in north carolina. where she arrived with dangerously high blood pressure and signs of kidney failure.

north carolina has become a sort of haven for patients seeking access to abortion care, as neighboring states across the south have outlawed the procedure, and the republican candidate for senate, ted budd, is very clear about his vision of a post-roe future. he's backed senator lindsey graham's bill for a national abortion ban after 15 weeks. regarding exceptions for rape and incest, budd told the raleigh news and observer, quote, every life is precious and i think let's focus on the law enforcement there. and expanded on that this week in an interview with a north carolina nbc station. >> much rather it be like what the supreme court said, it needs to go back to the states. in the exceptions for life of the mother, rape? >> i always -- i'm pro-life and i have been long before politics and i have always been about supporting life, including the life of the mother. >> exception for rape? >> about the life of the mother. >> he made that clear. joining me is sherry piecely, the democratic nominee for juice nat for north carolina. let's talk about that, because i

do feel gaslit at this point that you have a media narrative that says that women don't really care about abortion. women don't really mind if the states control their bodies. they just care about the price of milk. is that what you're experiencing when you're talking to women across north carolina? >> no, women care about freedom. and they are deeply angry and fearful about what they see on this national narrative. and not just narrative, but what you just showed about congressman ted budd is a modified position. he's always been very clear, and he's leading the charge on an absolute ban for abortion without exceptions for rape, incest, or risk to a mother's health. and what we know is that, yes, there are women who are traveling from texas and louisiana and other states to north carolina to get an abortion. but we know that women who have experienced a sexual assault, these women will be forced to carry these pregnancies to term. septic uterus, miscarriage the body won't release, or ectopic

pregnancies, it means women will be forced to carry these pregnancies which is impossible because the life-saving treatment for a woman with these conditions is an abortion. and it means women will die, which is absolutely unacceptable. i will fight when our freedoms are on the line, and i will fight to make sure that roe v. wade becomes the law of the land. >> you know, what's sort of fascinating about it, for instance, florida has an abortion ban at 15 weeks with no exceptions for rape and incest. so north carolina is one of those states that women right now can go to. that wouldn't be true if republicans sweep these midterms, that would mean that your democratic governor would lose the ability to protect women and veto, if they increase their majorities in the state house and the state senate, republicans, that means they could override his veto. if they get a veto-proof majority in your state house and senate, there would be nothing anyone could do to stop your state legislature from passing a draconian, they could pass a

six-week mississippi style abortion ban. north carolina, which is a more progressive sort of southern state that people feel is a bit more welcoming, it's not as far, far right as some of the other states are going, it would revert. what do you make of the irony of some people being willing to allow the united states senate to go back to the party that caused us to lose our right to our bodily autonomy, give it back to the republicans, and then to let states go that way as well? >> you know, this is serious. i mean, the important thing we have to remember is that this is a decision that a woman should make with her doctor, and without the interference of politicians up in washington. and women and families and people are fearful. i heard from a grandfather just a couple nights ago who was concerned about his granddaughters. folks know what's at stake. and the reality is, the majority of folks in north carolina and this country support the protections and the restrictions as outlined in roe v. wade. and the reality is, whether it's

protecting our wallet or protecting our fundamental freedoms, i'm the only candidate in this race who has solutions for both. >> and you -- how would you vote on lindsey graham's bill? lindsey graham says he will put forward if republicans take back the senate, and let's be clear, if your opponent wins in north carolina, he will vote for that abortion ban. how will you vote? >> you know, these decisions are made between women and their doctors, and there is no place in the exam room for congressman ted budd. it is important that the protections and restrictions that are outlined in roe v. wade be the law of the land and that's exactly what i would fight for. >> you would vote against the 15-week national ban? >> absolutely would. roe v. wade, ought to be the law of the land. it provides protections and restrictions and i would ask folks to go to sherrybeasley.com for more information about my campaign. >> the last thing i will ask you is, you're very close, you're

already a state-wide elected official. people have proven they will vote for you state-wide. so what is your strategy in the close here? i know economic issues are important, and abortion is an economic issue. has anyone seen what the price of diapers are? they're expensive. they're expensive, and forcing someone to have one means taking on economic risks. what is your strategy in the close of this race? because president obama carried north carolina in 2008. it's possible for a democrat to do it. there's a democratic governor there. what is your closing strategy? >> you know, folks are feel everything from pain at the pump to the cost of prescription drugs and everything in between. and congress can address these issues and shouldn't run away from them. we're working hard in the last 19 days. we know national republicans and congressman budd are spending millions of dollars to distort my judicial record. they don't do that unless they know we can win. we're working hard for every

single vote across north carolina. we're talking with folks about the things they care about, and i'm fully committed to standing for what's right, calling out what's wrong, and leading courageously in the senate for north carolinians and i wl always put us first. >> north carolina is a beautiful state, a state that i feel is giving like a sane version of like a kinder gentler south, and it would be sad to see it become more like florida. so we'll see what happens. sherry beasley, thank you very much. best of luck. >> and another reminder that early voting did begin today. it began today in north carolina. please get out there and vote. make sure you're registered and vote. for more information on voting in your state, scan the qr code that you see on your screen right now or go to nbcnews.com/planyourvote. this programming note, the battle over women's reproductive rights is the focus of shouting down midnight, from executive producer trevor noah, the film shines a light on former texas state senator wendy davis who stood up against her state's

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inspired by the laughable widely debunked documentary 2000 mules by trump pardoned former felon and conspiracy theorist denish de souza that alleges that widespread ballot harvesting occurred in the 2020 election, which it did not. joining me is tonight's democracy defender, the democratic nominee for maricopa county who would be responsible for overseeing the board tasked with certified future elections. is it gunagug. >> it is. >> i feel so good about myself. let's start with this, it's frightening, it would be sort of comical if it weren't so terrifying. what it sounds like is happening is these self-apointed vigilantes are showing up and doing what right-wing evangelical protesters used to do outside abortion clinics.

is it that bad? >> you got it exactly right. not only is it that bad, it's some of the exact same players. we're talking about extremists in arizona, and to really understand the problem, we need to recognize it wasn't just the fraudit, not just that arizona attempted to send fake electors to re-elect president trump even though he wasn't duly-elected in our state. we had people storm our reporters office in 2020, and the problem has not ended there. it's only been made worse. >> so, and arizona is an open carry state, right, for guns? >> that's exactly right. >> so this is what scares me. the idea that people may be armed people could be tried to intimidate voters at the polls. what's being done or what can be done to protect election workers who are critical to our democracy and to protect voters? >> sure. i mean, everything that can legally be done is being done

right now in the state, from secretary hobbs complaint asking the doj to come in and investigate, to the fbi's very warranted concerns on attacks on election workers. what isn't being done is that candidates who embrace extremism aren't telling their supporters to knock it off. we're literally seeing only people who are being emboldened, whose conspiracy theories and lies are being mimicked by their candidates, and frankly, that's terrifying and unacceptable. >> tell me what your job would be, explain it to people. i think this is the thing, the down ballot races people don't understand what the job is, so sometimes people skip it. explain what the job is that you're running for and why it's important that people vote on that ballot item. >> with pleasure. so i'm running for maricopa county attorney's office, and other areas this would be called your d.a. or prosecutor's office. and it fulfills two key roles. this would be the office

enforcing arizona's abortion ban, something i vowed not to do, not now, not ever. we shouldn't be involving police and prosecutors in those decisions. but also, this has a robust civil division that defends our board of supervisors and our county election program. meaning the third largest prosecutor's office in the country is going to be one of the most pivotal figures when it comes to certifying this election and the 2024 presidential election for arizona. >> you know, i'm so glad you explained both of those things. here's the thing, people will complain about the criminal justice system and not think maybe i ought to choose who the prosecutors are. do you know if your opponent is committed to enforcing the abortion ban and prosecutoring women and doctors over abortion? >> she's flip-flopped so many times like so many gop hopefuls on that side of the ballot, but yeah, she said she would enforce our 1864 abortion ban. >> when was it passed, i'm

sorry, when was it passed? >> it was 1864. back when arizona placed the age of consent at 10 years old and allowed husbands to freely sexually assault their wives and partners. that's the ban that places a mandatory minimum of two years in prison and a maximum of five for anyone who procures an abortion in arizona. it has no exemptions for rape or incest. and it has placed all of our providers in absolute fear and terror. and to make matters worse, it's being proposed to be enforced by my opponent who is rachel mitchell. you'll remember her, she was the prosecutor from the kavanaugh hearings that ran cover for powerful men like brett kavanaugh and is going to be potentially enforcing these laws against arizona women and pregnant people. >> that's why we're doing the democracy defenders. you have to vote down ticket for these offices. these are the people who will be enforcing these laws now that the supreme court has said your state can own you.

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i have a different set of rules for negroes down there. are you listening? >> yes. >> you have to be extra careful with white people. you can't risk looking at them the wrong way. >> i know. >> be small down there. >> like this? >> that was the warning mamie tul mobley gave her son mehmet or bobo as his family called him before he boarded a train to mississippi to visit his cousins. he would never come home alive. true to life, that was actually a scene from the new movie "till" by a young director. the movie portrays in gut-wrenching detail mrs. till's journey from excruciating pain

and anguish to steely determination in her quest for justice for her only child. her son emmett who was just a 14-year-old boy was abducted, torched and lynched in mississippi after being accused of making advances at a white woman, caroline bryant dona. the two white men accused of this barbaric crime, roy bryant and his half brother jw, both world war ii veterans, were acquitted by an all white jury. a year later, they proudly admitted to murdering him, saying they did it because they wanted black people to stay in their place. caroline bryant who during the trial accused emmett of grabbing her, later admitted to lying about what happened that day. earlier, a grand jury in mississippi declined to indict bryant who was still alive, even though there was an unserved arrest warrant for her role in the abduction. it was mamie till mobley's decision to publish the images of her son's battered,

disfigured body and her decision to hold an open casket funeral attended by thousands that helped galvanize the montgomery bus boycotts and the civil rights movement. to this day, not a single person has been held accountable for emmett till's murder. and the new film, viewers are spared the gruesome violence because the director did not want to make a movie about black trauma. what we do see is the story of a mom who loved her outgoing, carefree boy. the task of bringing till to life was left to 14-year-old actor jalyn hall, who had only learned of emmett's story when he was 12 or 13. and jalyn hall joins me now. i said only learned of it when you were 12 or 13. you're only 15 now. to me you're still a little kid. how are you? >> i'm good, i'm good. you know, my eyes might be a little glassy, a little red because it brings me to tears even thinking about this. you know, and where we have come, and i'm just so excited to

be a part of it. >> listen, i have to tell you, i had a hard time reading through the script. there's something about emmett till's story that just does make me cry because it was the way you portrayed it really is what brought it home. he was so joyful, and you portrayed him as such a fun, happy boy. he reminded me of my kids. >> yes. >> how did you approach doing a story that is so tragic? what was your approach to it, and what did you know about emmett till going into your audition? >> so as far as information wise, like, i didn't know everything. i didn't know in such detail, you know. i really only knew the tragic event that happened to him. and that was kind of told to me as a, you know, a cautionary tale, a means to prevent something like that from ever happening to me. my mom was the one who shared the story with me. even she didn't know in great

detail about the series of events like we do now with going through the production. when embodying a human being like this, there's of course the research you do to try to gain those traits and those aspects and understand the time period, so the dialect and things of that nature. but it's also, like, conveying an authentic, accurate 14-year-old boy, a joyful boy. a curious boy. and that was kind of my approach on it to really fall into that, you know, that sort of dynamic. i was 14 when we filmed this. >> that had to be hard, though, right? because we live in an era where right?s it's happening to boys, girls traumatized my kids and they were his age at that time. was it hard for you to get through playing this role when for real he is your age?

>> yes. well, i wouldn't say it was hard for me. i looked at this as one of the things that needed to be done, that had to be done to the best of my ability. and as efficient and accurate and authentic as possible so the world could really connect with him on a different level. and of course, there is that kind of first instance of pressure with giving a voice to historical figure who never really had his own at least for our world to see today. but after that i had to realize a shun i embraced the responsibility the honor with open arms and i'm just so blessed and thankful to have been able to done that. >> you did such a good job. the lady pledge your mom was brilliant as well. she was so good.

your chemistry with her was so perfect. will be colder was the executive producer who originally had thought about playing me till at one point. you're working at a high-level young man! give us a little bit of where you came from. your background, because this is your first big thing. you're a star! >> this is my first big movie, you know, at least in the theaters and stuff. yes, this is really big. i started out in atlanta, georgia which is where i am from and then i moved out to l.a. which really started my career. i made my way there, starting with all american which is now in its fifth season. and yeah, just continuously going on my journey and climbing and stuff, so i'm really appreciative.

i'm most appreciative of my mom who was there with me who was really the main reason i'm here. without that support and without the push she gave me and the nurturing of my dream and i wouldn't be here today. >> okay don't make me cry now, because the reference mom, your mama, you play basically a perfectly kind of sort of moms little madsen, a beautiful boy and you did such a good job. it was hard for me to watch a puck you made it easier because you are so good in. we're gonna see a lot of you. thank you for being here. i don't have to call you nephew now. >> pleased! >> okay, nephew have a good night. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> all right till is being shown in theaters,-limited release and debuts nationwide on friday, october 28th. it's brilliant, you won't be sorry. we'll be right back. right back. scent set the mood. ♪

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another prime minister, their third in three months. the current pm liz truss threw in the towel today. her state was brief, very brief. let me run through the highlight reel of some of her most significant accomplishments. she was the final prime minister during the reign of queen elizabeth, the first to resign under her son king charles who literally only met with her a couple of weeks ago. and she is the shortest serving prime minister in uk history, lasting just 45 days in office. trust was forced to resign after she proposed the uk's biggest tax cuts in 50 years, which included tax cuts for the wealthiest, tax cuts for large corporations, and rollbacks. that sounds a lot like current republican policies but, you don't have to take my word for it! here's trump sky larry kudlow saying the exact same thing. >> the u.s. midterm elections cavalry arrived early in

london. what i mean by that? well, the new british prime minister liz truss has laid out a terrific supply side economic growth plan which looks a lot like the basic thrust of kevin mccarthy's commitment to america plan. liz truss is basically operating a immigrant thatcher policy. >> i should point out that the markets did not agree with my good friend mr. kudlow. in fact a freak. tour proposals triggered a major sell-off in government bonds that was so extreme that the bank of england had to step in. the markets were so spooked that the international monetary fund issued an unprecedented rebuke of the proposed tax cuts. that was real bad. and based on mr. kudlow's logic, we can look forward to the same thing here in the good old usa. since the trust plan is the basic thrust of kevin mccarthy 's plan. yay!

here's one major distinction between our country and there's. the conservative party of the united kingdom had zero qualms getting rid of the party leader. none. and boy, did they move fast to give her the old heave-ho. meanwhile, back on the u.s. farm, our modern conservative party is still terrified of their defeated leader. yeah, when trump incited an attack on the capital, mccarthy literally flew down to florida and give the guy a big old hug. just a tale of two conservative parties with very different and verging visions of accountability. it's weird right? and that's tonight reader. be sure to join us tomorrow night on the readout. it will bring us's exclusive sit-down interview with president biden was able disgusted, at the midterms, a state of american democracy much more aid i want to miss it. all in with chris hayes starts. norah tonight on all in. >> it's