good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. today new evidence democrats are struggling to connect on issues average americans care about most. look, we know the economy is

number one, but fears about crime are up there, too, and republicans are winning the issue by double digits. but should they be? >> the fact is the rates of violent crime are higher in oklahoma -- >> that's not true. >> -- under your watch than in new york and california. that's a fact. >> oklahomans, do you believe we have higher crime than new york or california? that's what she just said. >> well, here is a fact check. she's right. so should more democrats take joy hofmeister's lead and talk about what people are talking about around the kitchen table. steve bannon sentenced to four months behind bars for thumbing his nose at a congressional subpoena. he's heading home instead of to jail. we'll explain that in a moment. finally, if you're joining us from the west coast. look up. numerous ufo sightings over the pacific ocean by more than a dozen commercial pay lots. mysterious lights caught on

camera. some of them 10,000 feet above where the planes were flying. what the heck is going on? we'll have more on that later in the show. but we start with the midterms and democratic candidates running out of time to address americans' top issues, the economy, inflation, some, including north carolina's sherry beasley and ohio's tim ryan, are trying to take these issues directly to voters. >> folks are feeling everything from pain at the pump to the cost of prescription drugs and congress can address these important issues and shouldn't run away from them. >> i want to talk about jobs. i want to talk about wages. i want to talk about pensions, making sure people have dignity. >> but sometimes they can seem like outliers. the message from national democrats has often been to focus on other issues including abortion. and now this new poll shows voters overwhelmingly trust republicans to deal with the economy and crime. it may be participately the function of ads like this.

>> 2020 -- murder in cincinnati at an all-time high. >> homicides up. >> and the response, defund the police. >> mandela barnes, dangerously liberal on crime. >> catherine cortez masto is dangerous for police and dangerous for nevada. >> there may be lessons from the deposed liz truss in the uk, and here is what it is. if people feel uneasy about their everyday lives, you'd better convince them you're the one to turn things around. i want to bring in garrett haake following the senate race in nevada, the political correspondent for "the washington examiner" and reporting on the ground in nevada, michael steele is former rnc chairman and msnbc political analyst, and with me here on set dasha burns. i know you've been talking to the candidates there, you've been talking to voters. what are they telling you. >> you mentioned it there. democrats have been trying to drill down on abortion but

republicans are trying to ride that red wave on crime, and it seems to be working. you spend time in pennsylvania, the televisions are absolutely full of the ads like you just played. when i talk to voters, those key voters in the suburbs, they are concerned about crime, they're concerned about public safety. i'm not talking about republicans. i'm talking republicans and democrats and independents who are watching this play out and are seeing oz hammering fetterman on this issue. >> i'm curious, do those concerns always align with where there actually are rising crime statistics? >> no. that's the thing. pennsylvania overall, just a quick reality check on crime. crime rates are down in pennsylvania overall but they are on the rise in places like philadelphia and pittsburgh. we're talking violent crimes and burglaries. but when i talk to voters in philly, they feel this, but also suburban women hundreds of miles

away from philadelphia or pittsburgh that are seeing these ads on televisions and their neighborhoods may be safe but it doesn't mean they're not getting that sense from what they see on television and the rhetoric from the right. >> my takeaway from that, michael, sometimes we think voters get a lot of nuance but their lives are pretty busy. and if you see an ad and it talks about crime and maybe it doesn't really impact you on a day-to-day basis that doesn't mean it doesn't hit home, right? >> that's exactly right. you create the environment, and the environment sometimes is created for the voters, and sometimes it's created by the voters. and i think in this instance what you have is looking at statistics particularly as dasha just noted in those states where crime is not on the rise, and where there may be an uptick in the more urban communities, it's not an aggressive increase, that

still doesn't allay the concerns voters have about crime, period. >> can i ask you this, though, michael, out of the states with the top ten violent crime rates from 2020, seven are run by republicans. those are the ones mentioned in that exchange from oklahoma. we know there's a message there that democrats have but they seem to be shying away from it. how are republicans turning around what would seem on their face to be the facts that are against them? >> because they're playing in an old notion that crime is committed by people of color. crime occurs in areas where people of color live. crime doesn't occur in white suburban america. crime occurs in the inner city. when you have -- what you saw the governor in the clip coming in basically saying to oklahomans, well, you know, you think we have crime like

california? of course we don't. we don't have those kinds of people living here. so there is this subtext that you have to be cognizant of as well and what's still amazingly stunning to me is the democrats didn't see this coming. i mean, this is page two in the playbook. after the economy, page one, is crime, page two. and you couldn't figure out that that's the sandwich they were going to make this election about? not abortion. they don't win on abortion. they're not going to find republicans engaged in trying to defend their position on abortion. no! i'm going to get you to talk about something else, something that is arguably a lot less scarier but actually is more scary to voters, and that is the crime in the neighborhood in which they live even though the crime is literally 300 miles away in an urban center from them. >> garrett that brings me to nevada, one of the tightest senate races in the country. you spoke with the candidates.

how are the economy, inflation, crime, the top three issues almost everywhere, playing out in that race? >> reporter: well, it's interesting in a race with two former attorneys general on the ballot as is this senate race here that crime is taking a secondary position. endorsements from various police groups are split between the two parties on that issue. they spent money on tv ads. it's the economy, stupid, and that is the case here in nevada. it's the state with the highest inflation in the country. gas prices in the las vegas metro area around $5 a gallon and cortez masto is in a tough place. she defended her vote for the american rescue plan pointing out they need it had and they needed the money, the infusion of resources, defending the bipartisan infrastructure bill,

what they have pointed to as inflationary. she doesn't want to get punished for the national party, the perception democrats are somehow behind inflation or these high prices. and so she's trying to keep her distance from her own party. as you can see here when i asked her what she'd like from the president, joe biden, in terms of helping her out in this race. you have a party that has your back here, a president from your party what would you like to see from him? would you like to see him campaign for you? he was talking about abortion. was that helpful? what can he do to help you. >> i can tell you what i hear from nevadans and that's my priority and it's not what you just asked me. it is about everyday issues, kitchen table issues, how we do this together. that's my priority. >> reporter: in point of fact, the cortez masto campaign has not invited him to be here. he has only been here once for a funeral. for cortez masto she will try to keep some distance from the

national party. that is a very difficult needle to thread on these economic issues that are front of mind for everyone and not just in nevada but around the country. >> let me, to that point, david, play what president biden said just an hour or so ago. >> i think that we're going to see one more shift back to our side in the closing days and let me tell you why i think that. we're start to go see the good news on the economy. gas prices are down sharply in 46 of the 50 states. state unemployment today, state unemployment, all-time lows in 11 states and 17 states have unemployment rates under 3%. the election is not a referendum. it's a choice. it's a choice. and the republican can criticize the economic record but look at what i've inherited and what i've done and look at what they're offering. >> so my question for you, david, is that wishful thinking, or is there time for messaging and circumstances to turn

momentum around? >> well, there's a little time but not much. as you know early voting has begun across the country, a big kickoff in nevada in the coming days. barack obama is coming to town, prominent republicans will be coming to town, active in las vegas and reno. one of the things republicans have been able to do in this election, in this campaign, is make a big push for the latino vote that really hasn't existed before. the party has targeted latinos in the past, but i'm right now on the east side of las vegas in a heavily latino area. the store signs are in spanish. i'm steps away from a republican national field office dedicated solely to reaching the latino vote. and so democrats have a lot more competition for these demographics and voting blocks that have been solidly democratic, if you will, for several years. and in talking to latino voters here in nevada, as garrett mentioned, they are as concerned

about the same issues republicans are concerned about as anything. they're concerned about the economy, they're concerned about inflation, they're concerned about what they believe to be rising crime. we spoke to some of them yesterday at a little bakery where senator cortez masto spoke to a lot of her supporters. they are her supporters but they, too, are concerned about the issues republican voters are concerned about. so democrats have a tall order. they have to push back against president joe biden's low approval ratings. they have to push back against the national issue set that is moving against them at the moment. and with early voting and mail-in voting, they don't have a lot of time to do it. >> so, michael, i guess that brings us all the way around to what we sort of premised at the beginning which is that, hey, look at liz truss. she barely lasted long enough for you to blink, and the next thing you know she's gone. is the message from that, that if you don't answer what

people's concerns are, there is no patience? >> yes. that's the lesson for democrats today, and it will be the lesson for republicans tomorrow, meaning january, when they take the house, and if they take the senate they're going to have to govern over 18 months, and what do they do? i think, if nothing else, what the voters are saying we're kind of sick and tired of being sick and tired about being sick and tired about you doing nothing. and so as this economy tightens, and it will, as the pressure grows on the political parties to respond and these electeds to govern, as we step into '24, this window that we now see from truss and the tories in london will be more -- it's going to be widened for the political parties here in america because it'll be there but for the grace of governing well and attaching ourselves to the concern of the people go us.

and i think that's going to be interesting to see how the parties pivot off this election in actually getting something done because at the end of the day voters still want that to happen. >> garrett, dasha, david and michael, thank you all so much. so here in the u.s. we can channel dissatisfaction by voting, but -- but -- take a look at the front page of "the daily mirror." if it's right, that's what folks in britain want. do we have that graphic? there it is. general election now. they're not going to get it. instead, with liz truss out, party leaders get to decide who will be the next prime minister with the possibility of bringing back boris johnson, very much a participate of the conversation. nbc's molly hunter is in london for us. molly, the number of conservatives who will pick the next prime minister represent a fraction of 1% of the population, the same folks who chose truss. do people you talk to see a larger failure of leadership, or

this is just one bad politician in their eyes? >> reporter: hey, chris, without a doubt not just one bad politician but a failure of leadership, a failure of a party to govern. truss was the second prime minister chosen. we are about to get the third prime minister by next friday. this is the fifth conservative prime minister, chris, in six years. let that sink in. and now there's all this talk about boris johnson coming back. he left office 45 days ago in july when he stepped down, when he clearly did not command the support of his party, those reasons, those scandals, alm of the reasons and the problems that he stepped down still exist today. he left office 45 days ago. he is under investigation. the idea the conservative party would bring him back, i think to many people out on the street, chris, is pretty nuts. there is also a sense they are not getting their say, not only is it the conservative mps who put together this short list over the weekend, we will get

that by monday, that vote then goes out to about 200,000 party members and they decide the next prime minister. there are a lot of people who feel the next leader of this government might not represent them, might not be leading them in the direction they want to. we are hearing they want stability and clearance. from the people we're talking to though there is affection, there's not a lot of faith that he is that unity politician that this country needs right now. >> molly hunter, interesting times where you are. thank you so much. the latest numbers here in the u.s. show worries about the economy are keeping more and more home buyers on the sideline. existing sales at their slowest pace in a decade outside of the pandemic down almost 24% from this time last year. it doesn't help that mortgage rates have skyrocketed. the average for a 30-year fixed mortgage is more than 7%, and that's more than double where it

was at the beginning of the year. he was once known as one of the most powerful figures in the trump white house. now he's headed for prison. steve bannon's sentencing and what it means for others who defy congressional subpoenas. plus, president biden's on the move to delaware where he will address student debt relief later today. the supreme court justice that kept that plan in play might surprise you. and children's hospitals are overwhelmed. the respiratory illness now spreading like wildfire and how to stop it. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. orts canw precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. ♪ what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪

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former trump adviser steve bannon has been sentenced to prison, and in the complex legal tentacles stemming from january 6th and the big lie, it's one example of is this. if you decide to ignore a subpoena, you'll likely have to pay a price. the seemingly upbeat bannon going into court, and then after

being sentenced to four months in prison for refuse to go refusing to comply, he was defiant. >> the american people are weighing and measuring what went on with the justice department and how they comported themselves, weighing and measuring that and they will vote on november 8. merrick garland will be the first attorney general that's brought up on charges of impeachment and will be removed from office. thank you very much. >> but it seems the judge is sending a different message not just to bannon to lindsey graham and even donald trump. ken dilanian was there and a political and investigative reporter for "the new york times" and an nbc news political analyst is back with us. so, ken, less time than prosecutors asked for, but the judge also didn't seem to be buying bannon's lawyer's arguments.

give us the headlines and what happens next. >> reporter: bannon's lawyer told the judge before he passed sentence steve bannon had nothing to be sorry for, which is not what you hear every day from a client about to be sentenced. the judge gave him four months, which was almost as much as the prosecution asked for. they asked for six months. that would have been the maximum under the guideline. the judge passed a fine of $6,500, which is somewhat less than the prosecution asked for. overall a resounding victory for the justice department. steve bannon, now a convicted criminal, a message sent. you don't defy a subpoena. if there's a fly in the ointment from the prosecution's point of view, the judge stayed the sentence pending appeal. he doesn't have to serve the sentence anytime soon because he will be allowed to pursue his appeal. he believes he should be able to

tell the jury he acted on the advice of lawyers when he defied the subpoena. the judge acknowledged that is a legitimate issue. >> joyce, do you see grounds for appeal? >> well, bannon is going to make this argument and it should be vetted out on appeal. we give criminal defendants the opportunity post conviction to test whether there was error that might mean their conviction was wrong. that's an issue for the court of appeals to determine. in terms of this release the judge ordered for bannon while the appeal is pending seems to violate the federal standards which say you can only release a defendant while an appeal is pending if there's a substantial issue on trial. here there's no substantial issue because the law is very clear. no reason to believe it will be altered on appeal and is rather

unusual bannon can remain free on bond while his appeal wendz its way through the courts. >> a federal appeals court yesterday. senator lindsey graham's request to block a subpoena from the georgia grand jury. did you look at today's sentencing and say, well, maybe that changes the equation for graham and his lawyers or donald trump as we wait for the january 6. >> there is gravity still, a force in the world of politics and in the courts. you can't just wave a magic wand, make up claims. what we saw was the judge saying, look, you can use the speech and debate clause to avoid being hauled into court. you can't use that clause to get out of testifying about an allegation you've broken the

law. it's not a get out of jail free card. we'll see if he wins that one on appeal. certainly it shows there is some accountability. you can't just wave the magic wands as the president has on some occasions as bannon did. in his case the child was contempt of congress and he showed contempt for the entire proceeding. sometimes you negotiate with your lawyer over conditions and appearance. he didn't really do that. >> joyce, there's news, devlin barrett reports this. some of the classified documents recovered from the fbi from donald trump's mar-a-lago home and private club included highly sensitive intelligence regarding iran and china according to people familiar with the matter. if shared with others, the people said, such information could expose intelligence gathering methods that the united states wants to keep

hidden. nbc news has not confirmed this but from a legal standpoint, does it up the ante in any way? >> well, i do think it's important to note we don't know exactly what this information entails and whether it's precisely what's being reported. the sourcing is unclear. if it were information of this type, it would be extremely serious. you know we've had this conversation in the past that when doj is considering whether it will indict and charge someone in a case like this, they're looking for plus factors that can involve very cavalier treatment of extremely important information and so the evidence gets worse for the former president. not only did he obstruct and try to lie to doj and try to hang on to these documents long after he knew they needed to go back, of course the evidence suggests he knew that from the get-go, but this is the sort of information that could really compromise

national security and relationship with other nations if it fell into the wrong hands. >> nick, we mentioned we're still waiting for the january 6 commission to issue that subpoena to donald trump. do we have any inkling why it's taking so long? >> look, it's a big decision. he is the final piece of that puzzle. we have now heard a lot of testimony that points to his state of mind the knowledge he had on that day. he was aware that the scheme to replace the electors was illegal and had no foundation. he was aware of the violence perpetrated by supporters. he was aware of a lot of things. we haven't heard from him. i'm not sure we need to hear from him to establish what happened that day. certainly it would give the committee and any future law enforcement a chance to test what he says against the other evidence. it's just basic. they proceeded, as you would imagine, they're going to do him less.

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new video from russia shows a visit from putin to a base aired on russian state tv. he fired a sniper rifle and visited troops trying to send a message of strength as russia's battlefield losses in ukraine continue to escalate. and today we know iran did not just send russian drones to use in ukraine, they sent troops to help use the drones, too. >> credible information that points to the presence of iranian drones inside ukraine. the presence of iranian trainers inside ukraine operating in crimea. >> the new information comes right after iran's u.n. representative denied sending those drones at all. meantime, ukraine's citizens continue to show extraordinary resilience after the drones

destroyed a third of ukraine's power infrastructure. here is our cal perry talking with one 65-year-old woman. >> reporter: there could be no gas left, she says, no light, then we will heat up the wood burning stove, get warm and make some food. everything will be fine. >> to cal with more on what's happening now in kyiv. >> reporter: the u.s. secretary of defense today speaking with his ukrainian counterpart and the main subject of discussion not surprisingly the air defense systems protecting ukraine. it has been ten days of almost nonstop barrages from russian forces, talking about more than 150 rockets, more than 150 drones fired in just ten days. ukraine has been asking for help. the u.s. saying it will help improve and send more ammunition needed to shoot down those rockets and drones. russia continues to carry out its air campaign across the country targeting the energy infrastructure, trying to make

life miserable for people who live here hoping, according to president zelenskyy, to cause a migration of people leaving this country once again to europe. it would be the second wave. the fear now is winter is around the corner. people will not be able to stay here and will want to leave the country. the power plant in zaporizhzhia remains a concern. forces are there embedded in the plant. this country calls that nuclear terrorism. a hydroelectric power plant, russian troops have mined that dam. he says an act of terrorism they could blow it up at any time flooding everything down river. some 30 villages including the city of kherson. >> senior adviser to the state department. it's good to see you. there is a difference between sending equipment and sending troops to help russia. what's your take on what we see unfolding with iran?

>> as we see the ukrainians being bombed fighting for their country. we see a delicate difference with the different countries involved. the united states has been providing military equipment, has been providing funding, but has not put any boots on the ground in ukraine because the united states and nato allies are not making this about the u.s. versus russia. now we see that iran is doing the same thing but on the russian side of the equation providing trainers in crimea. that is, unfortunately, a part of ukraine that russia took over more than ten years ago. the world effectively sat by and let russia take over it. the iranians can say they are in russian territory right now. they have provided drones that are part of the attacks on kyiv. they said they are tracking to see if iran provides surface-to-air missiles. that would be a different level of equipment and support but at

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they try to make clear while this is a ratcheting up in terms of their goal of speaking to the former president it's not unprecedented for former presidents or even sitting presidents to come before congressional committees and submit documents or to testify. they lay out two important dates here, chris. one before the election and one after. there will be many in the political sphere who point to that immediately but they have november 4th on the calendar at this point for the day they want trump to comply for their request for records. some on the committee think those could be more illuminating than any kind of deposition with the former president itself, but they ask trump to come in and talk to them himself in person saying that november 14th will be the deadline for that. they're not shying away from using the word you when leveling allegations at the former president's feet. this comes after all those multiple hearing and they point

to that in part using language saying in short you were at the center of the first and only effort by any u.s. president to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transferp of power ultimately culminating in a bloody attack on our own capitol hill and on the congress itself. that is part of the letter issued from the committee, from chairman bennie thompson and vice chair liz cheney to the former president, now donald trump. >> and i think it's not insignificant when you look at this one-page release they do name, as you say, former presidents. former presidents john quincy adams, john tyler, theodore roosevelt, harry truman, gerald ford, each testified after they left office. president roosevelt explained during his congressional testimony an ex-president is a citizen of the united states like any other citizen essentially preemptively what they know will be one of his

arguments against. >> reporter: we often talk in this trump era about how unprecedented things are. in fact, in this case what the committee is trying to point out is that despite the fact that january 6th was an unprecedented and historic day it is not unprecedented for a former president to be asked to come in and talk about it. if trump were to not comply he would be out of step with other people who previously held the oval office and still complied as former presidents and even in the case of sitting presidents who provided documents when asked for them by congress. so they're trying to take all the novelty out of this despite they're a committee investigating an unprecedented day. >> tell me, ali, the latest you're hearing out of trump world. there were conversations, we understood. oh, yeah, i want to answer questions. and maybe i'll answer questions if i can be live.

where are we with that? what's the latest you've heard? and not that the last thing we've heard might end up being what the decision finally is. >> reporter: this is very much up in the air. we've seen in the past trump trying to say he wants to talk to the people who are investigating him, whether it was mueller or other committees who have investigated him on various fronts. we know those never came to fruition. whether or not this is a conversation going on in trump world, what it doesn't include is the fact that many lawyers probably wouldn't want him to be opened up to that wide-ranging q&a from this committee that has so much, they say, evidence around what the former president did on that day, what he may have known and been told by advisers and the actions he himself took and you have to imagine the way that trump has talked about the committee publicly on the campaign trail also plays a role here.

he has said many times it is a witch-hunt and it's not steeped in fact. but, nevertheless, the committee has presented a compelling case. i would add when you look at the public sentiment around this while the hearings themselves haven't changed people's minds about what trump did, how responsible he may be, those opinions are baked. the monmouth poll that says 6 in 10 americans do think the former president should go before congress and testify, so there is an overwhelming majority in the american public who want him to comply with the subpoena. >> ali, stick with us. i want to bring in legal analyst danny savalos. it raises the question former presidents are protected by the secret service logistically. how do you serve a subpoena to a former president? >> i am fascinated by this issue because it doesn't come up all that often. yes, the secret service protects

the president and typically when you use a process server it might be a private investigator or a regular civilian. and it might be the kind of person secret service will see approaching the president or the former president and they might have a problem with that. i expect there will be a lot of, i hope, cooperation between secret service, former president, former president's lawyers and committee lawyers to make sure this is done in a convenient fashion to a lot of times for lawyers will call up and say, hey, we'll accept service and process. i expect everyone wants to make sure it's proper in this case. hopefully committee and trump's lawyers, his legal team, both open lines of teams, both open lines of communication to make sure that the former president is served safely and correctly. >> let me read a little bit more about this, ali. as you say it, is a very pointed statement. they are not pulling any punches here but they say as dem stated

in our hearings, we have assembled overwhelming evidence including from dozens of your former appointees and staff that you personally orchestrated and oversaw a multi-part effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election and to obstruct the people's transition of power. one of the things that was pointed out at the last committee hearing when they were essentially making what seemed to be closing arguments was that most of the people they showed us, many of the people they interviewed were family members or republicans, were people who worked for the president. >> that's exactly right. those are the people that the committee has gotten to tell the story of what was happening in the white house. many of the people who were in the white house, who were in the conversations with outside allies, who are republicans, those have been the main people testifying and telling the story for the american public through the january 6th committee by way of subpoena or voluntary testimony. but i also think that one of the things that may have held up this process, because again, a week had lapsed between the time that the committee said they

were going to do this and the actual issuance of the subpoena. yes, there were conversations about making sure that the language was final, there were conversations about what the dates for compliance should be, but there were also conversations about the way that they could best serve the subpoena, the process piece that danny was talking about. last night on msnbc for example, congresswoman zoe lofgren admitted that is one of the things they were dealing with but they did have the same of someone at that point who was willing to receive the subpoena. they were trying to do this in a way that dotted all the i's and crossed the t's because they knew it would be a heavy lift to get trump come in and comply. that is the mind set going into this, the former president has yet to indicate either way whether or not he is going to end up complying with the subpoena but there is no mindset shift terms of the committee, they new it would be an uphill climb to get trump in front of them, but there are two requests for him to come and do the interview and for him to do

documents and the documents could be the more important and helpful piece of the puzzle for the economy. >> in the meantime, as you well know, we talked about this before, ali, the clock is ticking, and this committee, members of it, will no longer be members of it in the new congress. so we know what donald trump's tactics have been previously, three parts, delay, delay, delay, right? >> yes. >> so what are you hearing from committee members about any concerns they have about the timing right now? >> they're not being forthcoming. and this is not necessarily surprising, on what they're willing to do in terms of enforcement. but the fact that this comes on a day that steve bannon receives his conviction, thumbing his nose at the january 6th committee subpoena is not necessarily how it will go for trump because bannon is certainly in a much different position than a former president, but instructive in terms of how long it takes to go from the committee, having someone defy their subpoena and then move forward with criminal charges, through the house, and then referring them to d.o.j.,

it is a lengthy process. we've seen how long it takes once the gears of the justice system have to start working through this process. and so they don't have time on their hands in the way that they did with bannon or meadows or navarro or any of the other people that they put through criminal contempt charges out of congress and over into d.o.j. this is a subpoena that expires at the end of the year. and look, when we reported that they were even going to move forward on the subpoena in the first place, again, this has been an awareness that almost every member that i talked to has. they knew it wasn't going to be an easy road, that it wasn't just going to be a quick ask or a quick subpoena and trump would comply with it, but they thought it was important to get it in the rd, that they were willing to do this after establishing over nine hearings this year, 10 hearings overall, the role of the former president in what has happened on january 6th. >> i want to bring back justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. you only had a few minutes to look at this, but what stands out to you? >> chris, the first thing that

jumped out at me is the expect apparently has a reason to believe that former president trump is using an encrypted messaging app called signal. if you look at the first demands for documents, the numbered part of the subpoena, they're looking for any records of telephone calls, text messages or communications sent through signal or any other means, placed or received by you or at your direction. so that is interesting, because many reporters use signal to communicate with sources, if both ends are on signal, then that means the transmission is encrypted and can't be intercepted. you can also set signal to have your messages disappear so they're not stored. but it doesn't have to be set that way. so the messages can be stored. and signal messages have been obtained by the government in various investigations, if you get somebody's phone and they store the messages, you can get the signal messages. but remember, this is a man who famously does not use email, we're told, does not write many things down, so if there is a trove of signal messages either by him or by aides about his

communications, and apparently the january 6th committee believes there may well be, that jumped out at me at something very, very interesting. >> so just to reiterate the breaking news, if you're just joining us, the select committee, the january 6th committee has issued a subpoena, to former president donald trump for testimony under oath and records relevant to their cause. ken, ali, danny, thank you very much. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 eastern time right here on msnbc. and this weekend, msnbc films presents "shouting down midnight", the first installment of the new documentary series the turning point produced by trevor noah and shines a light on wendy davis who stood up against her state's 2013 restricted anti-abortion bill, sunday, 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. still ahead this afternoon, president biden will talk

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