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i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. we are going to begin with breaking news on capitol hill. we got a lot to get to. the january 6th committee officially subpoenaing former president trump, we want to go right to capitol hill as we're kind of weeding through this 10-page document that we're getting in the last few minutes or so. ali, let's talk about this. because we're looking at two specific dates, right? we have november 4th, in which the documents that were requested by the january 6th committee, from the former president, that is the due date. and then november 14th, on or about they say november 14th, they expect the president, the former president to show up for deposition testimony. what else stands out to you? what else can you talk us through with this? >> the dates are of course the dates that we will first pay attention to in terms of being able to see where the former president will be complying with this subpoena request. the fact that one comes before the midterm election, with that document, and then another comes after i'm sure much political hay will be made over, but of
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course what strikes me the most in this subpoena, and the letter that we saw from the chairman of the committee benny thompson and the vice chair of the committee liz cheney is just the striking language that they are using. the allegations that they are leveling at trump's feet, using the words "you" multiple times as we pull them up on the screen, for example, one of the lines that struck me the most reading lieu this in the last few minutes, where at one point they say you were at the center of the first and only effort by any direct president to overturn an election, and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power, ultimately culminating in a bloody attack on our own capitol, and on congress itself. the committee specifically mentions there a few names of people who they want to hear trump's side of the conversations that he had with them, names that we know well, because these are people who have talked to the committee and in many cases had to plead the fifth, people like michael flynn, roger stone, john eastman, jeffrey clark, all of those are names that are listed and mentioned by the committee, when they say why they want to
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hear and speak to the former president himself. now, look, the reality here, as i talked to members of last few months, even as they were considering whether or not to take this step, was they knew it was unlikely for trump to come or to come willingly. now, he hasn't weighed in yet either way, but certainly the way that he has spoken about the committee work in the past probably leads to you believe that this is not going to be an easy glide path for him complying here. but the what the committee also does and takes great detail in doing is showing while this is an historic step in trying to speak to trump, it is not an unprecedented one, because multiple former and sitting presidents have come before congress and given documents or depositions and have complied with the subpoenas that were leveled to them. despite the fact that this committee is investigating an unprecedented day of january 6th, they really take great pains to show that this is not an unprecedented act of a former
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president. >> just because the subpoena has not been released, that could not necessarily mean the former president has actually been served. >> right. that's exactly right. and i think that's one of the things that could have been holding up this process. yes, the committee when they met yesterday were still finalizing language and dates and all of the things to make sure the i's were dotted and the t's were crossed on this very important subpoena abc but they wanted to make sure they had the name of someone, in the president's orbit who could serve the subpoena. there are tons of logistical complications can imagine in serving the former president and congresswoman zoe lofgren said last night they have a name of someone they could give the subpoena to and it could be holding up the process, and it has been a week since the committee decided and took the vote publicly and took the steps and now we see the subpoena being issued. >> full transparency, we thought on our end, and correct me if
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i'm wrong, we thought it would drop earlier than it actually did, possibly earlier in the week and it got kind of pushed down the road. so now, we're finally seeing the subpoena just a week later after the vote was actually leveled against the former president. ali, if you would, stick by with us, because things are constantly changing and we appreciate you for now, my friend. we want to bring in chief correspondent for "the new york times" and co-author of the book "the divider" trump in the white house, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of michigan law school and msnbc legal analyst. there's a couple of things that i want to tick through here as i'm taking a look at the subpoena here. and ali is right. with the language that they are using in this subpoena, directly putting fault at the former president's feet, right? using the word "you" over and over again. and i will begin with the very top of this thing, which says as
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demonstrated in our hearings, we have assembled overwhelming employees, including those in your staff, with a multi-part effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and to obstruct the peaceful transition of power. and then they go into the reasonings of this multi-part effort, and what that includes. the first one, being purposefully and maliciously disseminating false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid your effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions. as you have been going through this thing, peter baker, what stands out to you? >> i think that is exactly right. it is a reminder that it is as much as a political document as it is a legal document. these are not prosecutors, and members of congress who are making the case for the committee, making the case from their investigation, saying this is why this is important, and remind can the public, in effect, really just weeks before the midterm elections that, the person at the center of their investigation, who is at the
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center of all of the activities and the things that they investigated, was in fact the president of the united states at the time, donald trump. so that is what you're seeing, i think in this letter. whether he would actually comply with the subpoena, that's a whole other issue. talking about the legal consequences, bash barb can talk about that much better than i can but trying to make it clear to everybody that the heart of this conspiracy as they're basicallily terming it is donald trump. >> and there is more to this, barb and i want to kick that question to you whether or not he will comply and what happens next but just the verbiage in this is astounding. you took all of these actions, despite the rules of more than 60 courts rejecting your election fraud. they go on claims and other challenges to the legality of the 2020 presidential election, despite having specific and detailed information from the justice department, and your senior campaign staff informing you that your election claims were false, despite your obligation as president to ensure that the laws of our
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nation are faithfully executed, in short, you were at the center of the first and only effort by any u.s. president to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transition of power. ultimately culminating in a bloody attack on our own capitol and on congress itself. barb? >> yes, those are strong words. this is what we would call in the prosecution realm a speaking indictment. and that is it is enough to simply put the person's name on the document and say here's your subpoena, come speak to us. instead, they spent a lot of time and energy with a narrative as explaining why they want to speak to him and what their investigation has found. part of that is advocacy for the public, and to share the narrative with the world, but there's also an important function for including that kind of language, which is they likely are anticipating that donald trump will fight the subpoena and will claim that this is all unlawful and a witch hunt and unnecessary, so they're
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putting in there reasons they need him to testify. so if this case should go before a court and he claims executive privilege, that is where the court would look at a couple of things. one, whether it is covered by executive privilege. and two, even if it is, is the need for his testimony, does it outweigh that executive privilege. and so by putting all of this information in the subpoena, i think they're not only making the case to the american people, but they're making the case to that judge. >> and it is really incredible, right, because as you're reading through this 10-page or so document, i can't help but think whether or not he does actually comply with the subpoena, the two of you are exactly right, this in a way is the beginning of the summary you will finally get from the january 6th committee, laying out the case against the former president, the person they believe was at the heart of the january 6th insurrection. >> that's right. they talk about the report in effect, this is kind of an interim report, this is kind of a summation, as you say, of what they found, and why it is
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important to not just hear from the president but to understand what the president did, and to understand the actions that led to this event, to understand that he was not simply a side character, or, you know, somebody who is surprised by what happened, just like everybody else. he in fact was the orchestrater of the lie that convinced these people to go to the capitol and violently maraud through the halls of congress. and i think, you know, they want to, and bob says that they're speaking to a judge, that makes sense, of course, and there will be a fight, presumably, over this in court, unless the president surprises, i don't think he is going to, but basically, they're trying to say this is what we come up with in a year and a half, and we come up with, it was a president who led this assault in effect on our constitution, and on the peaceful transfer of power. it is not, you know, a small thing. it is a large thing. and it demands something that may be, you know, unusual, that is to how a president of the united states, or a former president of the united states,
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testifies before congress about his own actions. >> if you would, barb, stand by for me, i want to go back to capitol hill and ali vitali has more for us. >> i'm just looking at the specific things that they're outlining in this subpoena, and in the letter that corresponds to it, you laid out some of the allegations that they're listing in bullet point form but one thing stood out to me where they're saying they're alleging he filed false information under oath in federal court. we just got that news a day or two ago about the john eastman email, jeff carter saying in some of the emails, it was clear that the former president was made aware by eastman and others that the numbers that he was alleging were fraudulent votes in georgia, that he knew those numbers were wrong, that he went ahead and not just continued to talk about them any way, but he was also out there putting his name under oath in a legal filing as they were trying to pursue legal remedies in georgia after the election. so as we start to see how these
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puzzle pieces and the investigatory pieces fit together, that is just one of the things that struck me, the fact that this committee is still being nimble in realtime with what they know and evidence that is still coming in to bolster it, and we're seeing it reflected in this latest letter to the former president. >> and we want to go back to barb on that if we could, because i feel like that is kind of part of building this case towards intent. we have talked repeatedly about how they can build the case of intent. was it the former president's intent, what was his intent? did he actually understand that the election was free and fair, however told his supporters it was stolen, did he actually know that he was asking the georgia secretary of state when he asked for those 11,000 or so votes and it seems to me that is a reference to the former president's intent, in that he knew according to this subpoena, what he would do.
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>> this goes all the way back to one of the very first hearings the january 6th committee held where they put on a lot of evidence to show what donald trump knew. william barr came in and testified and told them that he told him it was all bs, and christopher krebs who was the director of cybersecurity, he said this was the safest and most secure election in history and they came to a lot of evidence. what they then denied until this point is some of those documents that people have failed to produce. we know that a number of witnesses refused to cooperate with the committee, and people like mark meadows, peter navarro, dan scavino and john eastman who produced some documents and not others so they had to work hard to get a judge to look at the production. and they do intend to incriminate donald trump and they are showing by a
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preponderance of the evidence, and not beyond a reasonable doubt that trump tried -- >> are we going to see more to this subpoena that we do not have access or privy to? >> usually what you see is what you get when it comes to a congressional subpoena. grand jury subpoena is usually done in secret so the public doesn't always see that. but i think this is what it is. and this narrative, in some ways, i know it sounds like an accusation against donald trump but in other ways this is a vindication to correct the record, here are the things that we found and if you think you're wrong, you have an invitation to come in and tell us why we're wrong, and that is the reason people get invited to testify in a case where they are the target, and it gives them that opportunity to buck the false claim and this is the opportunity to do it. >> the actual serving of that, will that happen within the next few hours? >> i think so, you know, he's been a little tricky because there are lawyers who have been
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a little bit careful about not wanting to receive service for him but typically a lawyer will agree to accept service on behalf of a client, so i imagine one way or the other they'll figure that out. >> barbara mcquade, ali vitali, thank you. final receiving the subpoena, the president will be served the subpoena in the next couple of hours per our own barbara mcquade. and we will be following news when it comes to the january 6th investigation. former trump aide steve bannon sentenced to four months in prison for denying a subpoena for the direct committee and did not speak at the hearing but did speak afterwards. >> i respect the judge, the sentence he came down with today, it is his decision, i have total respect for this
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entire process on the legal side. the american people are weighing and measuring what went on with the justice department and how they comported themselves. they are weighing and measuring that and they will vote on november 8th. merrick garland will end up being the first attorney general that is brought up on charges of impeachment and he will be removed from office. >> nbc's correspondent ken dilanian joins us now. and i got to say as i was watching that scene take place, i felt as i was watching a campaign moment speaking about the election, steve bannon after the sentencing. what are we expecting here? is he actually going to see jail time? >> that's a good question. on the one hand, this is a big victory for the justice department. we have been talking about this subpoena to former president trump, today was the day that shows what happens if you defy a congressional subpoena and you're convicted in a court of law of contempt of congress, which bannon was. he got four months in prison.
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just shy of the maximum under the guidelines of six months. but the fly in the ointment, as far as prosecutors were concerned, is that the judge stayed the sentence, pending appeal. so bannon walked out of there, as you saw, a freeman, defiant and he is now going to appeal his conviction on the grounds that he wasn't allowed to argue to the jury that he was acting on the advice of counsel, that he followed his lawyer's device in defying the subpoena. and a lot of legal experts don't think he will win the appeal and if he does, with a new trial with overwhelming evidence in the last trial, that he was in defiant of the january 6th committee no matter what. he had no interest in cooperating. and even today, his lawyer told the judge before sentencing that bannon had nothing to be sorry for. which is not something you hear every day from a lawyer representing a client about to be sentenced. but so in that respect, it's not clear when he would serve his four-month sentence. the judge allowing him to remain free while he pursues his appeal.
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but nonetheless he is a convicted criminal at this point. >> ken dilanian, thanks for following this for us. as always, we appreciate it, my friend. coming up next, everybody, the other big stories of the day. including whose fault is it anyway? the president's new message about the economy. some had waited months to hear. we'll be right back. 'lwel be right back. ust about sleeps in her cape. but when we realized she was battling sensitive skin, we switched to tide hygenic clean free. it's gentle on her skin and out-cleans our old free detergent. tide hygenic clean free. hypoallergenic and safe for sensitive skin. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms. and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase
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♪ ♪ pay as little as zero dollars no more waiting. no more running. [ screaming ] we finish this tonight. welcome back, everybody. want to get to the economy now, and the impact of the midterm elections, just two weeks away or so. today, the president said the u.s. is starting to see good economic news. nbc's john lederman is following the president for us in dover, delaware. josh, walk us through this. this was certainly a different pitch from the president just two weeks out here. to a certain extent, also laying blame on the hands of the former president's administration, saying look what i inherited. something we haven't necessarily heard a lot from him before.
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>> reporter: yes, there is a marching band here behind me at delaware state university. as you pointed out, if you step back to the economic events over the last 24 hours, in pittsburgh, yesterday, and this morning, at the white house, and then shortly here in dover, delaware, if you look, you will really get a sense of what democrats and president biden are up against. they're trying to drill down on these economic achievements that under any other situation would be significant, a significant accomplishment but it is unclear whether any of them are really breaking through right now. the overriding economic sentiment of so many americans which is to focus on inflation and higher prices but the
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president is hoping if he continuing to put a showcase on these other positive elements of the economy, it will start to sink in for people. and he predicted that the tide is going to start to turn again in the midterms in the democrats' favor. take a listen. >> the polls have been all over the place. i think that we're going to see one more shift back to our side in the closing days and let me tell you why i think that. we're starting to see some of the good news on the economy. gas prices are down. sharply. in 46 of the 50 states. because of what i've been doing. we're moving in the right direction. there's more to come. >> reporter: the other thing that we saw from president biden today was to go on the offensive against republicans on the economy. he predicted that if republicans get control of congress, that they will quote crash the economy by putting america's credit rating on the line. he tried to draw a contrast,
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with republicans making significant cuts to medicare and social security and there would be economic issues if they were to vote for republicans. >> you did a good job competing with that marching band behind you. if only you saw the moves that were going on behind you, they were incredible. and anything to get us started for the weekend. you did a good job, my friend. you did a good job. thank you for that, for talking through all of that. pretty good stuff. we want to bring in, or bring back, i should say peter baker, to talk more about this, who is in a more quiet space. i'm sure peter you were watching that, though, those moves were amazing, right? >> very impressive. yes, and josh was impressive not letting it fluster him. >> good way to start the weekend. let's talk about the speech which is somewhat surprising and i'll tell you why, i was out in pennsylvania yesterday preparing
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for the special we will have on sunday 3:30 on msnbc talking about abortion rights but what we got into a little bit, the concerns of the economy, both with democrats and republicans, and the one thing i heard over and over again is why the president hasn't been talking about why he has inherited, right? considering all of the accomplishments that democrats feel they have made, he has not talked enough about why we are here now and that is exactly why, what we heard today from the president. let's take a listen to a bit of what he said and then we'll talk. >> the federal deficit went up every single year in the trump administration. every single year he was president. it went up before the pandemic. and it went up during the pandemic. it went up every single year on his watch. the republican watch. and the republicans criticize our economic record, but look at what i've inherited and what i've done. >> is this something that you
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heard from the white house, it is a move, a smart move to make two weeks out, ahead of the midterm elections? is he kind of pointing the finger at the former administration saying i'm doing the best i can, basically, with what i have. >> you will never go wrong blaming the mess that you have on the previous administration and it is true, joe biden inherited a country in the middle of a pandemic and in fact in economic distress and in fact facing a once in a generation crisis and we are in a better place today in a lot of ways. obviously, unemployment is at a record low. if you want a job in america, you can pretty much have it. growth has been impressive. but back of course, inflation remains stubbornly and aggressively high and the kind of ways that it is attacking in the pocketbook and the question is whether or not shifting blame to the previous administration is going to convince anybody that is his fault when they're feeling it in their day to day
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pain. and the trick for president biden is trying to tell them what the alternative would be and he is telling them a little bit that, too and you may not like the way price, are but they don't have a plan and things would be worse if they are in control. and that is an argument. and particularly a favorite argument of democrats which is social security and medicare and the other side will cut it and we will protect it and that's the message that democrats have won on in the past and the republicans have given just enough ammunition to help the democrats try to make that argument. >> why then do you think they're missing with the messaging, when you're looking at polling, right, across the board, economy number one and "the new york times" sienna college poll earlier this week, shifting more towards republicans, an even independent voters, republicans shifting more towards yes, switching more toward republicans, and amongst independent voters, they are also shifting more towards voting for a republican candidate, because of the
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economy. >> i mean look, you know, there are obviously a lot of criticisms of the messages and the criticisms mainly of other democrats and the president hasn't handled it well and the party hasn't handled it well. and i'm reminded by someone who told me about the iraq war, we don't have a communications problem, we have a facts on the ground problem, and you can talk about it all you like and blame it on others and tell people it is getting better but if you're seeing it out of your paycheck every week, and the fact that you're paying so much more for clothing and rent and food, and gas prices, even though gas prices are back down, to where they were a few months ago, that affects you more than the message you may hear in a tv ad or a speech. i think that's always been the case. every president who has had high inflation had a tough time in the next election and we see that overseas with liz truss in britain and their inflation is worse than the united states right now and obviously that is causing political turmoil there as well. it is not surprising.
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the question for president biden, can he convince americans don't worry, it will get better and will make it better and the other guys will make it worse if you trust them with the steering wheel. >> that is a bit more than the political turmoil happening in the u.k., peter baker. we will get into that later on in the show. as always, good to see you, peter. tonight by the way, jonathan capehart is joining joy reid on the reid out, 7:00 eastern, right here on msnbc. with 18 days before the midterms, several key races are tightening, and the battle for votes is growing more intense. coming up, we're going to take you to four states where the fight is fierce with control of congress on the line and it is perhaps the biggest motivating force in campaign, and in pennsylvania, no shortage of it, a look at the fear factor in the keystone state. the keystone state now, there's skyrizi.
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the balance. and any of these races could be the determining factor. real clear politics average has democratic senator rafael warnock leading herschel walker by two points in nev nevada. in nevada, masto is a point behind adam laxalt. and the polling average in pennsylvania, shows john fetterman 2 points up oy dr. oz. and we begin with the early in person voting that begins in nevada, for several crucial statewide races including the neck and neck u.s. senate contest. garrett haake out of baby gate on the campaign trail my friend. good to see you. >> right. >> talk to us. you spoke with the democratic candidate there. what is she telling you in this final stretch? >> look, this race could not be closer. the polling has been fairly consistent with adam laxalt the
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republican challenger depending on the polls but the democrats has a machine that gets people out, the culinary union, harry reid was a big portion of the creation of that over time and this race is effectively tied and what you are seeing is the issues in play, cortez-masto has been trying to disqualify laxalt as too extreme, whether it be for donald trump and trying to get the 2020 election results thrown out or his past position on abortion, but the polling here and the voters i talked to all pushed this back towards the economy, towards inflation, and gas prices are over $5 a gallon here, and it is inescapable and cortez-masto is trying to talk about the ways in which she as a democratic senator address that, while also keeping her distance from joe biden who did win this state, but is not popular here now. listen to how she tried to thread that needle when i asked her about the president
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yesterday. >> what can president biden do to help you? what is the most useful thing he can do for you right now? >> let me tell you in general, in nevada, my priority has always been nevada, and i say this -- >> you have a party that has your back, the president from your party, what would you like to see from him, would you like to see him campaign for you, talking about abortion the other day? is that helpful? what can he do to help you? >> i can tell you what i hear from nevada, and it is not what you asked me, it is kitchen table issues, every day issues, that's my priority, and parents and single parents with ching and every single opportunity in this community has a chance of success. >> that's part of the unified message here, as you can see cortez-masto trying to reverse the nationalization of this race and make it more specifically about this state, and try to lean into her long identification with the state, and her tv ads are also trying
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to disqualify adam laxalt and make points about the law firm in dc that he works for or tie him to big oil and it is an us versus them dynamic that her campaign is attempting to set up here but early voting in person starting tomorrow, but mail-in ballots sent out to voters across the silver state. election day is under way right now here in nevada. >> garrett, thank you. good to see you. and in just a moment, everybody, we will take to you pennsylvania where fear is on the ballot and could greatly affect the balance of power in congress. we'll be right back. right back. 'h roster ever assembled. next is the new great garlic. the tender rotisserie style chicken is sublime and the roasted garlic aioli adds a lovely pecan flavor. man, the second retirement really changed you. the new subway series. what's your pick? (vo) with their verizon private 5g network, associated british ports can now precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence.
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pennsylvania yesterday and the economy is talked a lot about but certainly they talked a heck of a lot about crime. >> absolutely. and as these critical races are tightening across the country, republicans have worked toward a red october, in part by hammering on the issue of crime and nowhere is it more apparent than in pennsylvania's high stakes senate race between the lieutenant governor john fetterman and celebrity doctor mehmet oz. >> in pennsylvania, fear is on the ballot. >> the record-setting crime levels in philadelphia getting worse. >> while democrats drilled down on abortion. >> codify roe. >> republicans hoped to ride a red wave on crime. spending millions here on ads painting democratic senate candidate john fetterman soft on crime and fetterman hitting back saying oz's policies would make many in danger. >> it would make it easier for domestic abusers to get guns. >> overall, crime rate is falling in pennsylvania but in philadelphia, violent crime and
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property crime is on the rise and homicides are almost on track to reach last year's record high. the celebrity tv doctor joining other republicans in focusing on crime in an effort to cut into fetterman's strength in philadelphia and its suburbs. with small round table talks about crime and addiction. and tours of neighborhoods like opioid-rattled kensington, and that event ending with oz taking four people to a local detox center. this is a humanitarian crisis, right here in the middle of one of our biggest cities in america and we're allowing it to happen. all of the events are small, with repeat speakers. >> i'm fed up with playing politics and with the lives of us in these communities. including one who turned out to be a campaign staffer. >> what can you do as a senator about crime in pennsylvania. >> there's a lot of things i would do. and i want to get to the root cause and start there and i'll walk you through police as well, because i was endorsed by the fraternal order of police. >> the candidate telling nbc news congress should use its
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subpoena powers to press local governments for answers on crime and promoting federal subsidies for school of choice as a response. >> oz is also questioning fetterman's record as head of pennsylvania's board of pardons and being too lenient in recommending clemency. >> too often fetterman is looking at the criminals than those who were hurt. >> are you soft on crime? >> of course not. i believe in second chances. >> fetterman has endorsements of his own and highlights his record as mayor of braddock, a town outside pittsburgh. >> we funded the police and created a strong partnership between police and the community and i'm the only candidate who is running on my record on crime whereas dr. oz has never done anything about crime except going on and running a bunch of commercials lying about my record. >> those commercials may be working. oz has trimmed fetterman's lead in various polls. >> it worked by making people who were most concerned about
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crime a bit less supportive of the democratic candidate, a bit more supportive of the republican candidate. we're talking about shifts in the six to 10 point range, in favorability toward those candidates. >> and look, i have been talking to voters across pennsylvania, right from red counties to blue counties, from suburbs, to cities, and it's democrats, republicans, and independents, they are all bringing up crime as a big concern, and whether there are areas like philadelphia, where crime actually is on the rise, or in parts of the state where it's trending downward, per semgs -- perception is reality and when they see these ads all day every day, and they feel it is a concern, republicans are out there talking about it. >> and they will end up voting on it come midterm elections. dasha, as always, thank you. i also travelled to pennsylvania where abortion rights could be a decisive issue on november 8th. i spoke with people on all sides of the debate to see how they
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feel and what they believe about abortion. >> women who are pro life just feel that any time you have an abortion, whether it's medically necessary, whether it's to save the mother's life, the baby's, whatever, that you're killing a baby. and i don't look at it from that point of view. i look at it from the point of view of a woman having to make a very serious decision. >> i'm 'not for killing babies. from the time there's a heartbeat, there's a child there. i don't agree with it, you know. again, like i said, if only there is a problem, you know, if somebody is raped, but again it would have to be early stages. >> and there are so many nuances
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to that conversation that we are going to show you this sunday, you will hear much more from pennsylvanians, in a new special "let's talk about abortion rights," a frank and honest discussion between a panel of advocates from both sides of the issue, as well as medical and legal experts, sunday afternoon, at 3:00 eastern, right here on msnbc. let's go to pennsylvania. over to georgia. the senate race there. senator raphael warnock has a new ad targeting his republican appoint herschel walker. >> i'm raphael warnock and i approve this message. >> for you, herschel walker wants to ban abortion. >> i believe in life. >> there is not a national ban on abortion right now and i think that's a problem. >> but for himself. >> herschel walker paid for an abortion for his then girlfriend. she supported her claims with a $575 receipt from the abortion clinic. >> even his own son is saying walker is lying. >> is that your signature?
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>> yes, that's my -- >> ellison barber is joining us from peachtree city georgia. those are some pretty significant ads. talk us through how folks there are reacting to it. >> yes, so let me start by telling you what herschel walker's campaign is saying to us when we asked him about these new ads. they told us then. warnock embarrassed himself at the debate in savannah. he is desperate and it shows. and everything is focused on herschel on the inside, and he is focused on issues everyone cares about like the economy and crime. these ads are notable because we really haven't seen warnock explicitly go after some of the personal controversies surrounding personal walker and he talks about the abortion allegation, and walker calls it a flat out lie and adamantly denies, and the second act talks
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about allegations from walker's past as it relates to domestic violence. we have seen ads in this community, all across this state, focused on some of those personal controversies that surround herschel walker. but they're typically from outside groups. not specifically from warnock's campaign. that's what makes these ads feel different, feel notable, because it is something that he often doesn't do on the trail, his campaign will say he tries to stay above a lot of that, and warnock tends to talk about what he has done in washington, d.c., and he'll say that he believes that walker is unqualified for the united states senate, he has talked about what he describes as walker's pattern of lies, but he usually stops there. in these ads, it seems like they're more aggressive, a more aggressive approach, aggressive tactic as we get closer to election day. in a statement, warnock anything else campaign tellings that you this is not a major shift in strategy. saying this, quote, this is from warnock's deputy campaign manager, as we have done throughout the campaign, we are making sure georgians know the
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facts about herschel walker's record, including his support for a nationwide abortion ban, and no exceptions for rape, incest or to protect the mother's life. it is another example of how he isn't ready to represent georgia. so we're at this event today, we are having a get out the vote effort and early voting already under way and we are seeing more ards like this, and again, from the warnock side this is not something that we often see or hear warnock does. he so far usually lets outside groups tackle those personal controversies surrounding walker. >> thank you, ellison. everybody, we will head across the pond. the return of bojo. an all too familiar name in the works over in the u.k. after britain's stunning political implosion. we'll be right back. 'll be righ. 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence.
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there are already some names bubbling up but truss' successor will be immediately saddled with the task that was her doing, ushering u.k. into historic times. and some of the revelations shall the possibilities of a replacement, many of us don't understand the intricacies of u.k. government, however it is still shocking to think that a possible replacement of liz truss can former prime minister boris johnson. >> yes, i can't overstate kind of how symbolic and chaotic the last few weeks have been and even those who follow u.k. politics extremely closely. for the american audience, there is no general election. the united kingdom people are not getting a say in this. this could be the third prime minister, and the sixth in six years and what is happening is conservative mps are putting
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together a short list and the front-runners are the same names that were floating around this summer rishi sunak, a former finance minister came in second to liz truss in the last leadership contest. we've seen him a lot, he was really kind of front and center during the correspondence pandemic. the other person who is being thrown out as a front-runner a woman named penny mordaunt, she is not a household name in america, the u.k. first female defense minister in 2019 and we saw her preside over the procession council of king charles and boris johnson, who liz truss just took over from 45 days ago. the thing about bossie johnson and his candidacy, gaining momentum today that all of the reasons that he was pushed out of office, that he stepped down, all of those reasons are still clear. they are still present. he is under investigation. he still does not command the support of his party. none of those things have changed in the last 45 days.
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>> and we're going to be watching as this all plays out. that is for sure. and of course, the economic turmoil that the u.k. is dealing with as well. great to see you. thank you. that does it for me today everybody. it has been quite an hour. i'll see you back here tomorrow. 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence.
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