that said, girls just want to have fundamental rights, and that's what they need. and that is not asking for much. and now it's the girls just want to have fundamental rights fund, which will raise money for safe and legal abortions. >> cyndi lauper coming up next week, our next guest on mavericks. and i want to remind you, there's a very special edition of "the reidout" with joy reid coming up right now, as we have told you, it has this newsworthy interview, jonathan capehart and president biden. that's nexturic. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> well, i think we should be concerned. look, nothing automatic about democracy. i think we're at one of those inflection points in history. where we have reached a point where there has been such a

division that you have what i call the mega maga republicans who think it's all right to threaten violence, think that's not inappropriate. >> and msnbc exclusive, president joe biden sits for an exclusive interview with jonathan capehart. >> also breaking news on several front involving trump and his cronies. including the january 6th committee issuing a subpoena ordering trump to testify under oath and turn over documents within weeks. steve bannon knows what it means to defy the committee's subpoenas. today he was sentenced to four month in prison. plus the bombshell reporting on what was in those highly classified documents that trump stole and stashed at mar-a-lago. >> we begin with president joe biden and what he faces in the closing weeks to election day. it's a critical time for any first-term president, but an especially weird one for biden who inherited a pandemic his predecessor worsened along with a nation in shambles only to now

face the persistent yet false narrative he hasn't done anything. this flourishes despite his approval rating of 46%, a ten-point increase since july, according to a new cnbc poll. that's a little below president obama's first term average, but better than where donald trump stood at this stage. numbers or facts mean little to republicans who revel in hating president biden. looking for anything and everything to pin on his shoulders from inflation to gas prices to crime. and just for a fact check here, we should note that inflation is an international phenomenon hitting the entire world, not just the u.s. gas prices have been falling for months, and violent crime is not historically high. and it literally has nothing to do with the president of the united states. still, republicans have decided those are the issues they can win back power on, so they're closing midterm message is that biden isn't paying attention to the real issues impacting americans. in real life, biden has

objectively had a successful term, especially this year. there's the american rescue plan which included a third direct stimulus payment while expanding unemployment payments. the inflation reduction plan, the infrastructure act, which will get blue collar americans working physically rebuilding america. he also broke a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun legislation. that's a lot. biden has arguably done more for young people than any president in generations. his student loan forgiveness plan is expected to benefit 30 million americans. lifting crushing debt as soon as this weekend. as for campaign promises, he nominated the first black woman to the u.s. supreme court. something he promised to do. we also saw the largest act of clemency in a generation, his mass pardon for people convicted of federal marijuana possession, as well as taking marijuana off schedule i. there's more, a lot more. with election day just weeks away, this seems like a good time to hear from the president himself. so today, he sat down for an exclusive interview with my colleague, jonathan capehart.

we now bring you that interview, airing for the first time right now. >> mr. president, thank you very much for being here. >> happy to be with you. >> we're here at delaware state university, where you talked about college affordability, your student debt relief program, and we'll get to that in a moment. but we gotta talk about some of the big news today. the biggest being the january 6th committee formally subpoenaed a former president, donald trump. there are a lot of issues involved here. should he comply? >> well, look, i'm not going to opine on what he should do, but i think the committee's handled it very well. they have been straightforward and to the point, and it seems to me it would make sense, but i'm not going to get -- because if i get into that, they will say i'm influencing the committee and the rest. i have been very circumspect about anything i'm saying. >> one more question on that, though. what would it say to the american people if he didn't

testify, do you think? >> well, a portion of them, they would say that's great. and to a larger portion, i think they would say that was a mistake. >> mr. president, i'll be honest. i'm scared. millions of americans are scared. they're concerned about the concerted attacks on democracy, on voting, and how that's going to impact the midterm elections. we're seeing everything from governor desantis' election police force arresting people for alleged violations of voter fraud, we're seeing election workers quitting because of threats. and then, on top of it, you have election deniers up and down the ballot, running for election. a good chunk of them could win. so why shouldn't we be scared? >> well, i think we should be concerned. look, there's nothing automatic about democracy. remember when you're in

undergraduate school, they talk about every generation has to protect democracy. it really does. i think we're at one of those inflection points in history. where we have reached a point where there has been such a division that you have what i call the mega maga republicans who think it's all right to threaten violence, think that's not inappropriate, talk about how they're concerned about security, but yet you saw what happened on january 6th, the whole world saw it. but i think there's reason for concern, but i'm optimistic about two things. number one, we have been here before. and i believe that the essence of who we are as a nation, the soul of our country is really about our commitment to the basic fundamental elements that make us americans, which is the idea of fairness, decency,

honesty, and i think it's baked in to a majority of the american people. and i think as long as we take seriously the threat, i don't think the threat can come to fruition. >> on that point, mr. president, there is a startling headline in "the new york times," let's see if i can find it, where it said that a majority of americans believe that democracy is under threat. and yet they don't see it as a priority, protecting democracy. i mean, why do you think that is? >> i think they do. i think under threat and they're concerned on other issues, meld, in other words, when they say it's under threat, they worry about basic rights being taken away. they worry about the idea that you can have people in public life talk about one another the way they do with such bitterness. look, you know, the organizing, we're unique in all of history, we're the most unique nation in the world.

and i'm not being -- i'm not trying to beat our chest about who we are as americans. we're the only nation that is not built on ethnicity, geography, whatever. it's on a notion that we hold these truths to be self-eft, that all men and women are created equal. we have never fully lived up to it, we have never walked away from it. it's core of all this, that concern. it's a concern that, you know, the soul is sort of the breadth and essence of who we are, and it ultimately gets down to not supporting violence, not supporting making sure that you have -- you count the votes when they're cast, not intimidating anyone at the polls. not intimidating anyone who wants to vote. and i still think that's rock bottom core issue in america. >> how did we get to this point, though? >> well, i think there are a number of things that happened. number one, i think that we

began to -- we had a leader who concluded that truth didn't matter a whole lot. and used the modern version of the old racist kind of baiting that we use -- that used to be the case 40, 50 years ago in parts of the country. and i think it just -- i don't think enough people took it seriously to begin with. and for me, what changed things for me was i hadn't planned on running again. i think you know this. i'm taking too much time, stop me, but when i saw those folks down in charlottesville coming out of the field carrying nazi swastikas with torches, singing the same anti-semitic bile that was sung at the time in the '30s in germany, and accompanied by

the white supremacists, a young woman got killed. and they asked -- and i talked to her mom, and when she got killed, the president was asked what did you think? he said there were fine people on both sides. no president has ever said anything like that. and it's a reflection of this notion that whatever it takes to have power is appropriate. and i just find it disturbing. and i believe, though, that in 2020, for example, more people showed up to vote than any time in american history. i think they're going to do it again. >> on that point about people being in it for power's sake, far right conservative person said earlier this month about the senate race in georgia, and i quote, i don't care if herschel walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles, i want control of the senate. you were in the senate a long

time, 1973 to 2008. you know that institution inside and out. better than anybody probably who has ever served. and in that time, you served with many republicans. >> many conservative republicans. >> right. super conservative republicans. my question to you, though, mr. president, is can our democracy survive when the republican party is -- it only cares about power? >> look, i think that if we allow the republican party to continue to metastasize into what a minority of the party as a whole is, look, i think one of the reasons there's not more mainstream conservative republicans running out there is because they are so concerned about not only their physical wellbeing but also the notion that how can they win when a minority of republicans are showing up to vote and they're really hard edge. look, i don't agree with

anything that liz cheney believes about the substantive issues but i admire the hell out of her. she means what she says. she doesn't support the notion of the use of violence. she insists there are basic fundamental rules. it used to be that way all throughout the senate. i mean, i served with jean eastland and strom thurmond. i served with really conservative members of the united states senate. but afterwards, after we had argued like hell, we would go down to the senate dining room and everybody would eat together. there was still an understanding that the differences may be profound, but they don't justify a kind of activities you're seeing today. >> you mentioned congresswoman cheney, who has battled a lot with now house minority leader kevin mccarthy. he could be the next speaker of the house if the republicans take the majority. and he said about support, financial support of ukraine, that ukraine -- support for ukraine, quote, it can't be a

blank check. in response, you said among other things, these guys don't get it. and they have no sense of american foreign policy. but given what leader mccarthy said, should he even be speaker? >> well, look, i can understand somebody having that view who is uninformed, and believe it, because it costs so much money to help them. we're spending a lot of money helping ukrainians. but there's so much more than ukrainians. it's about nato, about western yourm, it's about making sure that putin is not able to succeed in a way that he is using the brutality of his activities. and i think that -- i just think it's about, again, this notion of power. and either lack of knowledge or power. one of the two is the driving

force. maybe both. but i don't know. look, jonathan, i think that this is not a referendum. this is a choice. a choice between what kind of country you want, between, for example, do you let -- do you make sure that we're able to afford prescription drugs for people that are elderly? do we have a circumstance where we're able to negotiate, medicare is able to negotiate drug prices? are we in a position where, and you go down the list of all of the issues out there, and we know that, look, the republicans have made it clear, first thing they want to do is a lot of them, most of them voted against the bill to reconstruct america through the infrastructure bill. highways, roads, you know, they all voted against to a person, voted against the inflation reduction act, which provides for environmental security and safety, and i mean, i just

don't -- they don't have a platform other than tear down what i have been able to do. we have been able to do. and i don't know what they're for. >> much more with jonathan capehart's exclusive interview with president biden when "the reidout" returns. she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice and long lasting gain scent beads. try spring daydream, part of our irresistible scent collection.

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in 40 years. and yet, poll after poll shows that the american people trust republicans on the economy and think that republicans should control congress. how do you -- >> first of all, i'm not sure about the polls. because the way people conduct polls today, it's hard. 90% of it is you get on the telephone where you have to call seven times to get somebody to answer the phone. number one. number two, a lot of what we have done and we have passed has not kicked in yet. for example, we have all this money to rebuild the highways, bridges, internet, et cetera, but it's going to take time. it's not like we passed a law and all of a sudden the highways and bridges are all functioning. it's not like we're in a position where we're seeing no senior, which we do, is going to have to pay more than $2,000 a year for their drug costs.

it hasn't kicked in yet. it doesn't kick in until next year. a lot of what we have done, people are hurting. they're hurting because when you take away that margin for people sitting around the kitchen table and they're paying, you know, three times as much or two times or 1 1/2 times as much for gasoline, it matters. i grew up in a family where when that occurred, it was a discussion at home. and so i think this is a process of people making sure that what we say we're doing really is going to happen. and so that's why these last several weeks, what i'm doing is saying here's what we're for. here's what they're for. and make a choice. and vote. and i think people are going to show up and vote like they did last time. >> one of the things you said you're for, mr. president, is codifying roe. you said you need 51 or 53 seats in order -- in the senate in

order to make that happen. what happens if republicans take control of congress? how are you going to protect women? >> veto anything they do. they have to -- for them to make dobbs -- for them to outlaw roe, outlaw the right of a woman to make a choice with their doctor, to not make exceptions for rape and incest and et cetera, and pass it out of the congress to make it the law of the land, the president has to sign it. i'll veto it. >> one more question, mr. president. you haven't officially said you're running for re-election, but nbc's mike memoli, who you know well, quotes a senior staffer to the first lady that a 2024 re-election campaign, quote, is something both dr. biden and the family fully support. and seeing that took me back to

your 2017 book "promise me dad." you wrote about how your late son beau insisted you run for president in 2016, as we know you didn't. you ran in 2020, but you write in the book that beau said it was, quote, your obligation, your, quote, duty to run. and you also write, duty was a word beau biden did not use lightly. you're president now, and there are plenty of people who are saying that you shouldn't run again because of your age. i'm wondering, what do you think beau biden would say to those people who think you shouldn't run again? >> it's not so much he would say to those people. what he would say to me, in my view, the only reason to be involved in public life is can you make life better for other people? and depending on who the opponent is, if they have a view

that is so -- such an antithesis of what i believe democracy and what i believe is good for average americans, then his argument was, dad, you have an obligation to do something. the reason i'm not making a judgment about formally running or not run, once i make that judgment, a whole series of regulations kick in. and i have to be -- i treat myself as a candidate from that moment on. i have not made that formal decision, but it's my intention. my intention to run again. and we have time to make that decision. >> dr. biden is for it? >> dr. biden thinks that -- my wife thinks that we're doing something very important. and that i shouldn't walk away from it.

>> joseph r. biden, president of the united states, thank you very much. >> thank you, jonathan. >> joining me now from dover, delaware, is jonathan capehart, and michael beschloss, nbc news president historian. joseph robin biden was not going to tell us what dr. biden really thinks about whether he should run for president. that was a very diplomatic answer. i thought it was interesting too, he's a process guy, a senate guy, and he said if i say i'm running, a whole lot of stuff kicks in, hatch act, all these regulations. i found that very interesting. did you get from him, you have covered him a long time, a sense of sort of determination to run again for president, a sense of duty is the word that you used regarding what his son might think? >> well, before i answer your question, joy, i want to thank you very much for giving so much real estate to show the interview i did with the president today.

thank you very much. and to answer your question, i came away thinking, he's running. that last line, what he said in the interview, was like, what we're doing is important, and i shouldn't walk away from that. after you know what duty means to him and obligation means to him, you can't hear that last line and not think he's running for president again. and throughout the interview, he made it clear, he's ready to go after republicans. he's ready, his mega maga trickle down economics line, his, people say this election is about a referendum, no, it's about a choice, and ticked through what the choices are in this election. yeah, the president -- president biden is determined. he's determined to do everything he can to help democrats in the best way he can, to hold the majorities in congress, and then looking forward to two years, i think he's running.

>> and funny, he said -- not funny, he even has a plan. you know, if roe -- if they try to take away a woman's right to choose, he said i'm ready to veto it. he has a pen and a phone, as his buddy president obama used to say. let me bring you in, michael. one thing i think is interesting about joe biden, he's been in politics for so long and he comes off also as a bit of a historian of the united states senate and talked about even having worked with some of the most racist dixiecrats ever but they could work together and figure things out. he talked about the fact the united states is not built on ethnicity. it's unique in that, but built on a notion and idea. we heard him say that before. that comes to the core of the battle we're having right now, that the u.s. is not china or india. we are a country that is not based on ethnicity, and we're kind of at war. >> we are at war, and you know, you both know that joe biden was a history major in college that i think doesn't get enough attention because he reads a lot, he thinks of these things in these terms.

plus, he's been in national politics for 50 years, so he's seen a lot of history and made it himself. jonathan, great interview. i love the way you began by saying, i'm scared because that cut through everything. a lot of americans are right to be scared tonight, because we could lose our democracy, and it could happen in 17 days with this election. if you had been interviewing lincoln in 1860, i would think you would have told him you were scared that the union would break up or franklin roosevelt in 1940, that you were scared that the world might be overcome by hitler and mussolini and the fascist japanese. so using that long view of history, joy, that you're talking about, you know, let's get down to it. 50 years from now, what's likely to be the most important thing that future historians and americans say about the election of 2022? i would say it's going to be democracy is on the knife's edge. without democracy, you can't have a better economy.

you won't have elections, won't have rule of law, won't have institutions of democracy. so everyone who is watching us, all i can say is that if you have something better to do during the next 17 days, fine, but you'll have to live for the rest of your life with the possibility that we could lose our democracy in 17 days. thank got we have a president who understands that. >> indeed, and as always, as jonathan would want to do, those of you who enjoy the sunday show as much as i do, jonathan always has to make us smile at some point in the show, no matter how horrible the news is, but i know you had a moment. a lot of folks have come to know your auntie who you get a lot of wisdom from, and you brought up auntie to president biden. i want you to describe that moment for us and what happened. >> so i brought up aunt gloria because she's been in his corner since he ran in 2020 when no one else wanted to be. but then i asked her in preparation for this interview,

aunt gloria, do you want him to run again? she said i love joe biden. but i -- i think he might be too old. if trump runs, i want him to run. but i don't know. so i asked the president that. and he gave probably the most extensive answer on the age question that i have heard him give. >> yeah. and we're going to get that on the sunday show this weekend. so there it is, oh, there it is. wait a minute, who is he calling? >> oh, yeah. he's calling aunt gloria. after that, he said, what's her number? let me call her. so he called her. right there, you see him. he took it off speaker to talk to her. she didn't believe him. you'll see on sunday what happens after that. >> and that's a heck -- you see how he did a tease. you have to wait for the sunday show to find out what was said on that phone call. aunt gloria got a phone call from biden. that is biden bidening. excellent interview. thank you very much for bringing

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okay, now for the other huge news of the day, disgraced twice impeached former president donald trump has officially been subpoenaed by the house january 6th committee. in a letter to trump, bennie thompson and liz cheney spelled out why in the clearest possible terms. quote, as demonstrated in our hearings we have assembled overwhelming evidence that you personally orchestrated and oversaw a multipart effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election and to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power. in short, you were at the center of the first and only effort by any u.s. president to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transition of power.

ultimately culminating on a bloody attack on our own capitol and congress itself. he has until november 4th to produce relevant documents and appear after the midterm election. the subpoena also requests his communications with steve bannon, who showed why he didn't want to testify to the committee since like a scooby-doo villain, he gave up the whole plan in advance. >> what trump is going to do is declare victory. he's going to declare victory. that doesn't mean he's the winner. he's going to say he's the winner. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's all converging and now we're on, as i say, the point of attack. the point of attack tomorrow. >> and would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for the darn kids and their stupid dog. after the committee asked him to explain those comments, today a federal judge sentenced trump's

chief strategist to four months in prison and a $6500 fine on contempt of congress charges. joining us is joyce vance, law professor at the university of alabama. she's one of our -- we have all our friends in our unofficial law professors. i love listening to you guys explain things. i read through the subpoena. i found it very interesting as a lay person to read it. a few things stood out. first, this is what they're asking for. this is what they're alleging. trump purposely attempted to corrupt the doj, lyly pressured state officials to over turn results, pressuring pence to refuse to count electoral votes, pressuring members of congress to object to state elections, filing false information, summoning thousands of supporters and refusing to disband them. one thing i found interesting is there are only a few people who are named specifically in this filing. one of them is representative scott perry and then they lump him in and say other members of

congress. is that significant if they pick out individual, one individual congressman out of all of them? >> it is very interesting. they have asked in part for all documents that trump has that represent communications he had with perry. and that's a very intriguing detail. i don't think the committee does that sort of thing lightly. look, joy, the way this subpoena reads, it's like if this was a drug case, they would be telling trump, you're the drug kingpin, the guy who is running the cartel. they're putting him right in the center of everything. >> to that very point, because i also found this interesting too. they are looking for any communications with the united states secret service, they name tony ornato specifically, another person who is individually named and they ask for anything regarding paying the legal fees for any such witnesses, finding, offering, or discussing employment for any such witnesses and any conversations with ornato and the secret service.

you're talking about a drug kingpin. it sounds like they are maybe alleging that he was tampering with witnesses. >> that's the insinuation. it's tough toread this any other way. whether they have strong reason to believe that or not is an open question since they haven't really told us what they have. i think one thing that we can be sure of is that if there is any response to this subpoena from trump, which is certainly a question that's up in the air, there will be a privilege law that will be yea long. he will claim executive privilege, he will claim attorney/client privilege. he will fight like crazy to resist turning this information over if he has it. >> and one more thing they name the proud boys and the oath keepers. we know there are seditious conspiracy charges now. hot is the significance -- from the period to the present, all documents relating to the oath keepers or any member of the proud boys or other militia

groups. denver riggleman said a call came from the white house to somebody involved in the insurrection. do you think they're trying to make a connection between the seditious conspiracy we know is being charged to members of those groups and trump? >> i think they have to be. this is really the missing link. based on the public evidence, it seems very clear that there is evidence that trump was involved in a conspiracy to defraud the government or interfere with the government, but the seditious conspiracy piece which requires the use of force, has always been a little bit more opaque, and this is certainly the committee saying hey, if you have anything, we would like to see it. >> yeah, absolutely. and one more little thing here. you have got trump has finally found a firm to handle his january 6th subpoena. there was this weird thing where it didn't seem like anyone would accept the subpoena. now they have a firm. how much -- this is the dillon law firm. they represent multiple witnesses who appeared before the committee. they represent michael flynn,

sebastian gorka. you're a firm representing all of those people, how do you avoid conflicts of interests? what if one of them wants to testify against trump in a later proceeding? >> it's awfully hard to avoid that conflict, as you point out. maybe les of a problem if you're talking about january 6th committee proceedings. if you're moving into some form of a criminal investigation, that conflict becomes very apparent. >> fascinating to see if he shows up for it and what happens if he doesn't. that's the music we play when it's a tease. joyce is going to stick around with us. we have a lot to talk about including explosive new reporting on the documents recovered from trump's hideaway in florida.

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the justice department spokesperson declined to comment to nbc news. trump put out a statement earlier that did not directly deny this reporting. he only criticized the supposed leaking of the claims and he claimed the fbi may have planted the documents. he didn't offer why he would need to retain those documents. joining me is the former senior director for counterterrorism at the national security council and associate professor at the university of michigan's ford school of public policy, and our friend joyce vance is back with me. mr. ali, let me go to you on this. this is scary stuff. i don't understand how somebody could possess this kind of very, very sensitive material and the fbi knows that he had it because they took it from his house, and not be in jail. your thoughts. >> joy, thanks for having me again. and based on the most recent reporting today about what apparently some of these documents reveal, certainly the

ones that had the top secret sci markings that you have shown on the images before, as a former intelligence analyst and someone who used to write these kind of intelligence products for senior officials, this confirmed an assumption i had that the very highly classified documents that president trump had were probably being delivered through an intelligence product called the presidential daily brief, and as the name suggests, it is a product that gets delivered five to six days a week to the president. and other senior officials. and within it, it contains the most sensitive intelligence and the stories that policymakers need to know to keep the country safe. so how some of these were retained by president trump and then taken to mar-a-lago, i mean, this is one of the mysteries of what's been uncovered. >> can you think of any reason why a president would take their presidential daily brief

documents home? >> not home. now, as the commander in chief, theoretically, one would think that any president would have the authority when that presidential daily brief, if that's indeed what the documents were, these most sensitive ones, to request them to be retained. but then even if they were to be retained, and acting in your capacity as the president, you wouldn't just stash them in the resolute desk. you would put them in some other part of the white house in which you could store very sensitive intelligence products like this. so that's how they would be handled if in your official capacity you made the request. there's no scenario in which you would then upon leaving office takeupon leaving office, take them with you to your personal home. >> that should be self evident. i think this is what a lot of folks don't understand. i don't think there is any other person in this country who could take home classified documents, this sensitive,

about iran's missile program, about china's national security and not be arrested. you also have a bloomberg headline here, that trump prosecutors see evidence four of destruction charges. a group of justice department prosecutors believe they're sufficient evidence to charge him with obstruction, but the path to indictment is far from clear. it isn't like the officials would bring only obstruction charges amid the trump investigations and potential crimes. i do not understand how this person seems to have so much impunity can you explain that to us? >> i think the reality is, trump does not have impunity here. the facts continue to be worse in this matter, joy. they have been bad from the get-go. doj prosecutors this kind of case when there are plus factors, and they executed their search warrant, knowing that there was already plus factors in the room. there was obstruction of justice being committed for by

the former presidents. now, this news makes this incredibly serious. yes, this sort of information, about iran for instance, isn't the sort of stuff that you could pick up on the internet. it is specific sorts of sourcing, and intelligence work. there is extraordinarily serious, and never left to mar-a-lago, because they compromise our country's ability to continue that collection worth. there is the intelligence community work with the kind of people, who ate us, in collecting this information. it was not remaining contained in mar-a-lago. i think that the point is where the assumption is prosecuting this matter, and is when the doj will indict? >> let me jump back for a moment. trump has a subpoena for the

january six committee. to indict trump, the way they did bannon, with contempt of congress without a formal request to do so from the committee. republicans now control congress, joyce. >> doj does not require a referral from congress, although that is the convention in this case. it would be unusual to see that without a referral. it was the doj getting their hands full with trump. they are already looking at january 6th. now, they are looking at mar-a-lago. do they really have the bandwidth to take on this additional case? it points to the criminality that this former president is willing to engage in. >> is it a one-man crime family? quickly, to you, job it, if anyone else had those documents, with u.s. unintelligent professional, what would you assume they're doing with that?

>> if they had taken them outside of that official capacity, and is a wooden tension only speculate that there would be some financial purpose, or sell them to another foreign government, or some other stakeholder who would have an interest in something insensitive is that. now, is that indeed the case is what was going on with president trump? we don't know that. the fact that they in and of themselves were not officially declassified, which is clear, based on how those documents were recovered. so, that is also very concerning. it was all together. >> drove it only, thank you so much, don't go anywhere. so, it's been a crazy week. that's straight ahead. that's straight ahead. some days, it felt like asthma was holding me back. but asthma has taken enough. so i go triple... with trelegy.

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thank you jesus. it can only mean one thing. it is time to play -- yes, who won the week. back with me in in-house a story and, michael beschloss. who won the week? >> british people. they chose a disaster of liz truss as prime minister, and i'm like americans, they got rid of her in 44 days. we elected a disaster in 2016, and we were stuck with them for four days. it was the british system. >> a writer, who said we are much more like south america, than europe, and i feel that every single day in terms of the way our countries are structured. my who won the week is even better than that. she didn't last as long as a head of lettuce, but mainz better. you know who won the week michael beschloss? you did. you. you won the week. i, actually, wanted to go to

this event, but you were awarded -- there it is, the national archives foundation with the records of achievement award, this week. historians are heroes, you won't make sense, you, personally, makes sense that can't be made sense of on the show. we value you so much, we value your voice, your integrity, here just a lot of fun my friend, you won the week. >> so grateful. >> thank you very much. michael beschloss, have a good weekend, you won the week. before we go, with two weeks to go before the winter mist, two weeks. readout is on the road. i will be live from the flying saucer in fort worth texas, tuesday night, from 7 pm eastern, it was a democratic nominee for governor, beto o'rourke. here is chris hayes, right now. ight now