from nbc news in los angeles, welcome everyone to alex reports, this is new development in the multiple investigations surrounding donald trump. there are new national security concerns this weekend as we learned, the fbi found classified records on iran and china at mar-a-lago. first, the january six committee is now issued a subpoena to donald trump for documents, as well as testimony, nbc monica alba at the white house in the very latest details, how is donald trump responding. hi, monika. >> hi there, alex. january 6th committee took its most aggressive step yet to try to gather additional information about the attack on the capital. formally sending the subpoena to former president trump with key deadlines set for next month. paving the way for what will likely be a lengthy court battle over his testimony. >> former president trump

officially subpoenaed by the january 6th committee. order to turn over documents related to the capital riot by november 4th. and appear before the panel on november 14th, after the midterm elections. congressional investigators arguing that you were at the center of the first and only effort by any u.s. president to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transition of power. which included, according to the committee, purposefully and maliciously disseminating false allegations of fraud. attempting to corrupt the department of justice, illegally pressuring state officials to change election results, and filing false information under oath in federal court. mr. trump has not indicated whether he would reply -- comply with the request. a lawyer represented him both brought, we will review and analyze it, and respond appropriately to the unprecedented action. the subpoena coming on the same day his former top advisor

steve bannon was sentenced to four months in prison for defying a similar request. mr. bannon does not have to serve the time right away, pending an appeal. >> on november 8th, the american people a real judgment. >> meanwhile, the d o g and mr. trump continue to battle about the handling of -- what the mar-a-lago documents case. nbc news confirmed the washington post reports that records from the florida club contain highly sensitive secrets about iran and china, according to two people familiar with the matter. mr. trump firing back, accusing the government of quote, leaking nonstop on the document hoax. president biden, for his part, way internally on his president -- president hazard legal challenge and an exclusive interview with msnbc on friday. >> i'm not going to comment on what he should do, but i think the committees handle it very well. they have been straightforward point, and it seems to me that

it would make sense. >> lot of questions now, alex, i know what will happen next with the subpoena to mr. trump. there is limited time here, the committee is planning to finish its work by the end of the year. in large part, since republicans could take control of the house, and if that happens, the expectation is that the group will be disbanded was the new congress is sworn in. alex? >> i think you are right, thank you so much, monica. joining me right now, charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor, an msnbc legal analyst analyst, as law as well as hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. hugo, is the peanut has been sort of the donald trump, how did the january six committee frame the need for him to testify. >> yeah, it really framed around the fact that there are a bunch of unresolved issues that the committee has been unable to untangle. some of the questions go straight to the heart of what donald trump knows. some of these questions, in fact, about the contact of

people say michael flynn, -- as well as any potential contacts with the -- those are that only trump would know. there is a line in that subpoena that says, look, these document requests, these testament requests on what is uniquely positioned to answer. >> to that end, charles, they subpoena repeatedly uses the word you in its list of charges against the former president. for example, you personally orchestrated and oversaw a multi point effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. is this language uniquely issuing a subpoena? also, what stands out to you in this document? >> well, i think it's unique in the sense that we are talking about the former president of the united states, which is not something we normally see. in terms of what stood out to me from the document, this is the most direct evidence that we have seen in terms of the committee actually laying out and playing language, what it

is that we believe donald trump has done, and what they are alleging in terms of the investigation as we have covered. number, one you were aware that you lost a 2020 election, and you continue to pedal falsehoods knowing you are speaking to a specific demographic. number two, you knew the demographic was being engaged in energized by the rhetoric, you also knew was false, and you knew they were going to come to d.c. on january 6th, they were angry, they were armed, and they intended to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. number three, when they came to d.c. and they did exactly that they knew what you are going to do, and arguably had summoned them to, do you did nothing to adverse the damages that was being done to the u.s. capital, the u.s. democracy overall. those things, i think are very clear direct lines to how the committee laid out, the direct line between donald trump and what he has to do with. the other thing, alex, that's

on the subpoena that allow stood out to me was, it is very clear that they have the information they need. they know what it is they need from donald trump. at the end of the day, they already have it. i know this because of the -- around the scope of the request, as well as the specificity around talking about other applications that may have been used for communications. that call for information that they have gotten from other witnesses, other documents, and other evidence. it is very clear, as it is with most investigations, but they already have the pieces. it's a question as to whether donald trump will give them the cherry on top that they ask for with a subpoena. >> it is absolutely extraordinary. i am reading this as we are talking about this. it appears almost unequivocal with the way they have written this and presented this. hugo, let's talk about steve bannon, who as you know, was sentenced yesterday to four months in prison after being found guilty on two contempt of congress charges. this will defy the 16 committee,

should the sentencing have a pretty powerful signal to anything that trump would consider whether or not complying with his own subpoena? it seems that the committee got ahead of any potential trump claims of executive privilege. because they named seven presidents, starting from john quincy adams, to gerald ford. all testified before congress after leading -- leaving office. >> yeah, it's a very interesting question. i don't think trump is looking at bannon's sentencing and using that in his calculus. i think trump is using his own reflexive views on whether or not he should testify to the committee. in terms of the actual sentence and the way it has played out, i think there is an element that with the trump lawyers are considering is, does trump have to testify at all? not based on executive privilege, but because he is absolutely immunity. that has been the discussion they were talking about by some of the lawyers on that team. it goes back to harry truman,

when he declined to initially testify to congress, he later did, but in that statement that he provided to congress, he said president and former presidents need to be immune and not testify to congress about their actions on this. and the justice department has created a lot of -- based off of that statement. i think the trump lawyers are looking at that. >> yeah, interesting that former presidents need to be immune, that is very curious. charles, what kind of legal hurdles could the committee face if donald trump says i am not going to comply? do you expect this could lead to some sort of constitutional crisis? >> i don't, alex. not necessarily because the issue is straightforward, but because as monica pointed out, we are up against the clock. that committee knows, that donald trump knows that as well, his lawyer knows that. the notion of donald trump exercising any sort of executive privilege over any of the thing that they have asked, and the subpoena, it is a legal

battle that could take months, if not longer than that. even if it was a matter of some sort of emergency situation that was told by the committee. it is unlikely that this would be resolved before congress. because of that, everyone expects that the committee will be resolved after the midterm elections, and the new congressmen and congresswomen are supported in january. from trump's perspective, all they want to do is wait it out. they want to delay, delay, delay. as we know, the strategy, for as long as we have been in the situation, that we will see nothing different here as it pertains to the subpoena. they will fight it for as long as they can, and hopes that ultimately, when the new congress this morning, january 6th committee disbanded, and this becomes a moot point. >> delay, delay, delay. it seems to be tactic number one. let's go to the latest in the mar-a-lago documents case with two sources telling nbc news that the fbi found documents containing classified u.s. secrets about both iran and

china. this is in mar-a-lago. the washington post first reported of the story, it also said one of the documents seized by the fbi describes a missile program, that is according to the sources, there nbc news did not intend independently -- hugo, how does this new information contribute to what we already know about the documents in mar-a-lago? what concerns does it raise for you? >> i think if you're serious because if you are talking about foreign country defense programs, like missile programs, that is squarely falling into the category of national defense. that is the hodgepodge that we know -- in this case. i mean, there are some people that think -- charging hearing after a case, the more this develops, the more it is sounded like justice will go down the national defense route as well. because the documents the most

serious crime that they can. so i think, the fact that there is actual national defensive measure, things that squarely fall into state secrets in that sense, i think it's a very ominous development for trump in a way that we have not seen previously. >> 100%. what about, another major development that happened late yesterday, i want to ask you about, charles, senator lindsey graham is asking the supreme court to spear from testifying before a grand jury in the election investigation in the state of georgia. justice clarence thomas says today, he wants a response from the fulton county grand jury by this thursday. what will he need to consider when deciding how to rule on this? >> i think ultimately, what we will see from justice thomas in this case is whether the interest of justice, if you will, or the county da's going to be served or hindered by whatever that lindsey graham is

claiming that it's prejudice to them the happens to be a part of this. he is basically claiming that, you know, he not only did have not have anything to do with this, but it's an overreach by -- the district attorney's office. what he is going to be looking for is the direct connection to whatever valuable information that is believed that graham has in more or less against what he is saying that is involved in testifying whether it will be from a public service standpoint as an elected official, or whether it will be actual -- associated with it because of the fact that he is a south carolina, south carolinian senator, i'm not just necessarily within the jurisdiction. all of those things are going to be considered by justice thomas as he considers the motion from both senator graham's attorneys and one of the response. >> okay, but not to police.

charles coleman, hugo lowell, thank you. now to a major roadblock to president biden student loan forgiveness plan. late yesterday, in appeals court, temporarily blocking a relief program, it considers a relief from six republican led states. nbc's josh lederman is traveling and delaware. josh, welcome to you, how has the administration just responding to the decision by the court? they must be bummed out about it. >> they are bumped out. there is no doubt, it is a big blow to the biden administration on the student loan program. it's also, frankly, a major blow to the sub 22 million americans who already, in the first week or so of the program, signed up to that relief. according to the white house. about 18 million who have not yet applied, but are still eligible. the white house is saying, they should still continue to apply. white house spokesman say and they are full speed ahead on the program, they will take new applications.

pointing out, what the court did hear, did not get rid of the program entirely. it's simply says the administration cannot actually discharge any of that debt until the court resolves the broader question of whether this is even legal. it was literally yesterday that we were with president biden in dover, delaware. that he did an entire event to showcase the fact that the student debt relief is coming. here is president biden and what he had to say when he was in delaware state university. historically black school in dover speaking yesterday, take a listen. republican members of congress and republican governors are doing everything they can to deny this relief, even to their own constituents. as soon as i announced my administration's plans to cancel student debt, they started attacking it, saying all kinds of things. they are outrage, and it's wrong, and it's hypocritical. but you know, we're not letting them get away with. it [applause] now, in the wake of

this court decision, the white house is saying something very similar. they are going to continue to fight republican efforts to get this student debt relief program. this certainly couldn't come at a worse time. it's just a couple of weeks out from the election, and democrats are really scrambling to find anything they can put in front of the american people to show winds, specifically on the economy, as they try to overcome the headwinds from those concerns about inflation and high prices, alex. >> gotta say, it is so confounding, josh, because what do they think? there are no republicans out there with student loan debt? it's such a political move. it really is extraordinary, because to the detriment of some of their own, some of their own colleagues and the like. all right, josh, thank you so much. we will talk to you again. meanwhile, 17 days before the midterm elections, early voting begins today, and one key race could determine control of the senate. there is one factor in that race that may divide -- provide a big boost for democrats. and congresswoman marjorie taylor greene appears to be

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are heading to the polls for the first day of in-person early voting. in the senate's pivotal u.s. senate race. the latest poll showing republican neck and neck with democratic incumbent catherine masto. that is the contests that could decide who controls the upper chamber. joining me now from las vegas is nbc's garrett haake, in the same time zone as me, garrett. thank you for joining us. i know you spoke with both candidates this week. so, what is their pitch to voters, as we head down the stretch? >> hey, alex. good morning, in the western time zone. first, a word about where we're are. we are out of the culinary union headquarters here in las vegas, the culinary union is going to valero here this morning to start off early voting.

the union is typically good for a little bit of a boost in turnout, sometimes, as much as a point or two, powerful turnout machine for democrats in the state of nevada. they're going to need it in this race right now. the polling is consistently showing republican alec lacks off ahead by a point or two. he has been running primarily on economic issues. he's talking about inflation. he's talking about job recoveries for covid histories. he's talking about crime in the border, traditional republican issues, and that's allowed him to consolidate some report here. but the democrat, catherine cortez masto, is engaging on those issues, particularly trying to engage on those kitchen table issues with latino voters, but she's also trying to broaden the spectrum here about what issues are on the minds of nevada voters. she has tried to link laxalt's support for then president trump in 2020 and overturning that election to the rise and crime, saying he essentially can't talk about crime when he's talking about overturning election results. and of, course the abortion issue has been big here. nevada is a state that has

abortion rights enshrines by referendum, going back to the early 90s. it's a say that's quite proud of that heritage. when i asked both candidates about their views on abortion and how they think it will play in the races closing weeks, here's what they told me. >> what has happened now in the repeal and the fact that there are federal abortion bans being introduced that would absolutely preempt our state law, people are up in arms about it in nevada. i hear from the baton, not just women. i hear from men. i hear from all parties, democrat, republican, independent, because it matters to them. again, let me just point this out. from the -- voters took to be a pro-choice state, my opponent is opposed to. it >> eventually that question 1 million times. i've answered that. i will vote with where i think the people are, and what is reasonable. i will not vote for an abortion ban. no matter what everybody does, in trying to distract from what's really going on in this race, people are very, very

upset and we are hurting in the state. you see that run all day long. and thankfully, people are seeing through. it. >> so, you see, i'm laxalt trying to take this issue off the table for nevada voters, re-focused things on the economy. in some ways, he's got an easier job here, running off the challenger. there will still be a democratic president. his campaign policy on a lot of these economic issues boil sound too, if you think things are bad, that's the democrats fault. they control everything in this state and federally. he says he will vote against that. and alex, look. that may be enough for really frustrated voters in a state that is decidedly purple. only about 30,000 votes was the margin for joe biden here in 2020. it could be at least that close again here, come next november. >> listen, that is what justifies putting you right where you are, my friend, and keeping a very vigilant eye on things for us. thanks for that report, there. garrett joining me right now was virginia congresswoman -- a democratic member of the house oversight and bureau. good to see you.

here we are, 17 days before midterm elections, thank you. how confident argue are that democrats are going to make control of the house and senate? you just heard garrett haake's report there. it is tight in the vada. so what is your message to voters to keep democrats in control? >> you know, i think we see that type of race all across the country. democrats or expected early in the gear let's remember to somehow succumb to a red tsunami. and that hasn't materialized. as a matter of fact, with fall back to the point where we are ahead of some key races where he wouldn't expecting to be, and we are a very competitive and others, where we were expecting to get wiped out. nevada is a contest. i want to point out, historically, nevada is one of the few states where democrats are under polled. in other words polling tends to understate democratic -- in nevada historically. so, i think it's going to be a very competitive race, and at

the end of the day, we're gonna pull it out. but this is a hard fought campaign. midterms, generally go against the presidents party. i think we have a lot that is working for us. we have some things that are working against us. so, everybody needs to be all hands on deck and we are at defcon for. i just came back from a rally. i saw extraordinary enthusiasm, for merrick 2018 and almost presidential level enthusiasm for people going out and canvassing in some of our precincts in virginia. >> let me bring up something that might alert things to a deaf con five level of concern or that is marjorie taylor greene. she's got a warning for kevin mccarthy when republicans retake that my -- house. she said new york times magazine quote i think that to be the best speaker of the house and please the base he's going to give me a lot of power and a lot of leeway and and

quote, if he doesn't, they're going to be very unhappy about it. she goes on to tell us us the magazine that she'd like to be on the oversight and judiciary committee, saying, i think both of those, i'd be good on. question to you is, any thoughts on the prospect of marjorie taylor greene serving with you on the house oversight committee? >> you know, i'm struck at odds by the fact that a member of congress is now threatening her leadership with very unhappy results, that they're going to be very unhappy, because i'm going to rile up the base if i don't get what i want, and in these committee assignments. i've never heard of anything like that before. and i think that's a horrible way to begin. should the republicans become the majority, she is going to be the new face. if they appoint her, she is the new face of the republican party in congress. that is a face that is engaged in antisemitism, advocacy of violence against congressional leadership, homophobia, racism,

and not responsible voice or face at all for the republican party or any party. so, that's what they want, if that's what they want to reward, we'll be joined in the battle. we are prepared to do that. but i think that would be a terrible message to the american people on behalf of kevin mccarthy and his acolytes. >> well, frankly, we have never heard the likes of which she said before, which got her in trouble in congress and remove her from her committee assignments, starting with the education committee. none of that made sense. okay, let's turn to the january six committee. we know donald trump is now compelled to give testimony to the panel about november 14th. you expect him to honor the lawful subpoena and truthfully answer questions? >> i think your early reporting is probably accurate. he's going to try to play up the clock. that's modus operandi. and in this case, there will be

a new congress, come january 3rd. so, why not try to run out the clock? however, he has also said this process is not fair, because i haven't heard from me. well, here's your opportunity. to be heard and to testify under oath as to your behavior, your words, and their impact. there's lots of precedent for former presidents and even current presidents testifying before congress. abraham lincoln voluntarily showed up before a congressional committee to testify while he was president of the united states. there's nothing unusual, particularly, here. what is unusual is his testimony is being compelled because he incited an insurrection. and violence flowed from that. so, several people died. i think the american people, as well as the u.s. congress, are entitled to hear from the gentleman who incited that violent, and -- >> all over this subpoena i have here in my hands, it is

all over. that last question to you, and it's regarding the oversight committee's probe into the secret service spending of the trump-owned properties. your panel, sir, has revealed that records show the former president's company charged excessive hotel rates as much as 1100 and $85 a night. on the dozens of trips. that is more than 1.4 million in taxpayer dollars, essentially paid to donald trump. chairman maloney says you are waiting for complete information on the total amounts but by the secret service. do you know sir, what items are still missing, and when you might get them? and can congress stop this kind of thing from ever happening again? >> you know, many of us sounded the warning bell in december of 2016, before donald trump was even sworn into the presidency. the -- had a hearing with several prominent emphasis on the obama white house and richard -- of the bush white house,

warning that donald trump had so many far flung economic enterprises that he was immediately going to be in a conflict of interest. -- -- that far exceeds with the government itself says is a reasonable price to stay in a hotel in washington, d.c. for one night. what we don't have, yet is a comprehensive list of that four-year period of secret service expenditures at donald

trump properties. i think we have 40. when we issued the request of the secret service for the comprehensive list, i believe that are going to be more revelations that are going to be most unsettling to u.s. taxpayers, if this is how donald trump basically used the presidency to squeeze every financial advantage he could. >> and to that point donald trump could have -- the owner of that hotel could have complied with those regulations i put maybe $201 a night as for the charges of the rooms, but, nope. okay. -- >> alex, if i could just say remember his son eric promised that they would either provide accommodation to secret service free or at best at cost. of course that was a lie. >> well said. that will be the last word sir. good to see you my. friends thank you so. much >> thank you. >> hard to believe, perhaps but there's grumbling amongst some democrats about former president obama's upcoming midterm campaign.

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voter fraud, but they've reduced it to 500 dollar bonds. so, it's $1,000 total. >> oh my god, man, what the! i didn't -- what did i do wrong? >> we don't know. >> joining me now lawrence -- has been all over this story for the tampa bay times and civil rights attorney charles coleman is back with me. let's get into this. lawrence, starting with you, because we are going to get to the judge's ruling in a second. these videos we just show, appeared to show there was no fraudulent intense by these voters. they believed they were legally allowed to vote. some, after officials told them they could, by the way. what has caused this confusion and why were they arrested? >> yeah. this all goes back to 2018, when florida voters passed amendment for. basically, eliminating florida's lifetime ban on fellow voting. this is widely celebrated as the greatest the expansion of democracy in the country since

the civil rights movement. however, it did not apply to certain groups of people. if you were a felon with a murder on your record or a felony sex offense on your record, or if you had not paid off or completed quote unquote all terms of your sentence, substitution of victims and other financial penalties included in that. you were not allowed to vote. however, this whole process has kind of broken down with felons actually go to sign up to vote. they show, up they fill out the form, and there is basically nothing the secretary of state, which is responsible for identifying people who are ineligible, can't do. so, these people, you are seeing body cam footage from not that 20 people who were arrested because they all had either a murder conviction on their record or a felony sex offense on the record. all these people signed up to vote. the state gave cleared them,

they did initial check, cleared them, they were all given voter i.d. cards, and they voted in 2020. nobody stop them from voting at the polls. these people weren't even noticed and removed from the polls until this year, and so the question is, you know, when you fill out the form, you are supposed to sign under penalty of perjury that you are not a felon, or if you are, your rights have been restored. and the question, of course, is, people don't often know that the rights have been restored, because this process has been confusing, the state can clearly say, they can immediately say if you're eligible, and so people just signed up, they get their voter i.d. card, and they've been voting. >> and point well taken there. they get the voter i.d. card. so, lawrence, miami judge milton hirsch yesterday rejected the idea that the state prosecutor could even file these charges, saying the crime must have occurred in two or more jurisdictions. that's another caveat there. even quoting shakespeare to say, prosecutors were overreaching.

so, how are prosecutors reacting to this? >> well, as he pointed out, this is a technicality, but an important technicality, and the question is, will other judges across the state, these 20 arrests were in tampa bay, those are some of the orlando, some in miami and broward, will other judges interpret this the same way. the state has said they will appeal the judges decision here. they think they don't agree with the interpretation here, and this could decide the fate of these other cases, if judges in other places actually agree. >> charles, i'm curious what you make of this jurisdiction arguments on both sides? >> well, alex i do think that lawrence raises a good point. as much as it is a technicality, but right. the way it's written in the way it's written at. the end of the day, you are going to provide voters with voter i.d. carson 11 to participate in elections, you can't then turn around and try to arrest them for veiling

themselves of the rights they have been told they are now able to exercise. i think we are looking at something that is highly politicized, and in many ways, we would refer to this in plain language as a trick back, and they tricked back here is you see what the images are, you see the video, you see he was getting arrested, and i'm referring specifically to the notion that many of these people are black, our brown. what does that? so it ultimately changes the narrative in such a way that it creates a problem where one arguably did not exist before. that problem is getting people to fear that there is a problem with voter fraud that is much larger than reality than actually is and that's what happens with this, and that it's a narrative that actually is being fueled by this body cam footage. what's happening, that's why the reporting -- of so many others is so critical. you are framing this in the right way, because without it, it can seem as though this is a wider spread problem than it actually is, specifically as it

relates to voter fraud. it is virtually nonexistent in the state of florida. >> let me pick up on that with you, lawrence, because to charles's point. you have reported the 13 of the 20 arrested are black. let's play another exchange. this is when ramon oliver was arrested. take a look at this. >> we have a warrant for your arrest. >> for what? >> for voter fraud. >> i know your caught off guard, but -- unfortunately, that's how this stuff works. >> [inaudible] ,! i voted by the end commit no fraud! >> i don't know exactly what happened with it but you do have a warrant. that's what it's for. >> lawrence are officials they're offering any explanation for the high percentage of black voters being arrested? >> no they're not. and you know that's one of the questions. how did the state decide on these people? you know, you hear tony patterson saying exactly. that is one of the other people arrested that you showed.

he says you know why? me why? now? that's one of the big questions. there's many more than 20 people who are ineligible to vote. we're talking other news outlets we've identified people on the roles who shouldn't be on the roles in 2020. you know, this is not something that's a new idea. the issue is that the state has not invested the resources and actually identifying these people, and removing them, if not immediately and quickly after they signed up to vote. right now the state takes years to do that. >> yeah. at the state hasn't delivered the resources to do something that people commanded them to do with their vote back in 2018 as we were talking about. last question to you charles. these folks now face fines of up to about half 1 million dollars person terms potentially, up to five years. just for voting. by their account, they had no intent to commit fraud. this group is already

marginalized, so as a civil rights lawyer, do you see a point where the on states actions cross the line to the abuse of power? >> absolutely. i do think that in many respects, the punishment does not fit the crime, at least in terms of what is mandated by the statue, but i will say this. for viewers who are out there, i highly doubt that any of those penalties will be exercised or, at least in the cases we're learning about, particularly because of the egregious nature that we have been talking about with respect to the states inability to actually truck or confirm what it is the arresting people for. that being said, and i say this rather tongue in cheek, it is florida. i can't make any predictions there in terms of what is likely to happen, but at the same time, eye to see that, in many cases,, well not statewide most judges will be likely dismissed these things and then the worst of the worst is perhaps disorderly conduct. if that, which is not a crime

of any sort, it's just a violation, in the event that it turns out that the people who should not have voted. but i anticipate the majority of peace people will be dismissed. >> all right, charles coleman and lawrence mueller thank you guys. coming up next, a warning from president biden about what might happen if republicans win control of congress next month, and what democrats would have any misgivings about barack obama hitting the campaign trail. why those dems now may be saying if only. saying if only . so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. p keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq. rinvoq is not a steroid, topical, or injection. it's one pill, once a day, that's effective

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country you want and republicans have made it clear, first thing they want to do is, a lot of them, most of them, voted against the bill to reconstruct america through the infrastructure bill. highways roads they all voted against, to a person, and voted against the inflation reduction react, which provides environmental security and safety. they don't have a platform other than tear down what i've been able to do we fund able to do. and i don't know what they're for. >> joining me now is kurt bardella, democratic strategist from former gop spokesperson for the house oversight committee who i'm going to spare from singing happy birthday for everybody to hear, but i've sent you the wishes. nonetheless, let's also welcome adrienne elrod, democratic strategist and former -- from the biden harris campaign. adrienne, the president is warning voters the republicans are going to undo everything that he's done. will the urgency in his message get democrats anymore votes? >> well, i like, i certainly

hope. so he's exactly right. when the president said elections are about choices that is exactly the truth. and those choices have consequences. i really like the way he laid out this frame with jonathan capehart in this interview. he went into details about not only the policies that he have been able to pass president along with democratic led congress, but, also the fact that a lot of these policies have been passed without one single republican vote. inflation reduction act, which puts a lot of money in the pockets of american families, at a time when inflation is high at, least democrats are trying to do something about that. i hope, look alex when people go to the ballot box, they're not just going to be thinking about the economic issues affecting them. i think what we want to do as democrats on the president is trying to do, is remind voters also the party that has tried to help them. and that is simply the democratic party. republicans they've been jumping up and down with inflation, inflation rises, because to them they feel like that's what's going to get them

the power back. and that's not putting people first. >> yeah. so, kurt, a federal appeals court temporarily blocked the presidents student loan forgiveness plan, as it considers a motion from six republican led states to block the program. this initiative is not something that would only benefit democrats students with the repo and that but republicans to. could this backfire on the gop? >> yeah, i think the message here is very simple. when the issue is supporting and billionaires republican party is all for it. they are all for spending into oblivion to make sure that the richest among us the top 1% continue to get tax breaks and when the ppp was going on they were happy to get breaks and loans out to people who flew private jets for crying out loud. but what students who are hardworking people trying to just get past college and enter the workforce without having the burden of crushing crippling debt hanging over them when we tried to give them relief republicans are suing to make sure they still have that that! to make sure they still have that burden!

that they don't get any kind of head start into the next phase of their life! what responsible parent for all the talk about being pro-life in this country they think life means helping the living. trying to kill people get ahead in this country. helping people try to achieve the american dream. republicans are doing everything they can to keep their foot on the necks of the people who need help the most while still giving outbreaks and handouts to the richest among us! >> yeah, but it's an extraordinary way to put it all. so, adrian, as we look at the president on the midterm campaign trail this week we also former president obama set to start stumping for democrats in key states. as he prepares to hit the trail, the hail reports of democrats are kind of grumbling it's too late with obama. one democratic strategist told the hill that obama shouldn't be the closer. he is still seen as the party's rock star. do you think obama's star power has been unleashed a little too late to help? >> no absolutely not,. alex this is very typical for some of the quotes unquote biggest rock stars on our party most popular surrogates i.e.

the state's president. it's common for them to be the closer to go out on this snap and really help the candidates out there in tough races give their closing arguments. i think president obama's going out at the first victim. he's an incredible surrogate. everybody wants him in their states. he's doing exactly what he should be doing by focusing on some of the top tier races for somebody like him that really vocalize and energize voters at a critical time. so i think, he is doing it at the exactly right time. you're always good to have people grumble that i think, sometimes, when you are doing less on the campaign trail you become a more effective surrogate when you do the offense you are doing and that's exactly what president obama is doing. going out when he has. >> how much, kurt do you think president obama can move the needle for democrats? >> when it comes out of these elections and we've seen it over and over again it's about turnout. it's about getting your side your base to turn out in the most robust numbers possible. president obama continues to be one of the most popular figures in democrat politics so having

him out there on the hill, having him energize and mobilize our base will be incredibly effective. and adrian is right. they don't bring out mariano rivera in the seventh inning. they wait for the ninth inning to bring him out to close the deal. that's we're doing the president obama. >> thank you so much. adrian thank you kurt happy birthday copy of a good one. good to see you. both a midterm election it's just one of the topics in jonathan capehart's exclusive interview with president biden. you can get it tomorrow morning on the sunday show, ten eastern here on msnbc. next, dates and that line. the time crunch facing the january six committee to get donald trump to testify, and as the potentially pivotal midterm elections approach, there's increasing worry about perils facing one of america's most fundamental rights. i'm going to speak with noted historian john meacham. ian hnjo meacham peaceful state. full plate. wait, are you my blind date? dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview. buy or lease? masterpiece. inside joke. artichoke. game with doug. brand new mug.

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