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nbc news here in los angeles. welcome to alex witt reports. developing for you this hour concerns over national security growing this weekend in the wake of a bombshell new report on those documents seized from mar-a-lago. nbc news confirms some of those classified documents in trump's possession included intelligence regarding iran and china. this is according to two people familiar with the matter. then the revelation comes as trump faces new pressure on another front, of the january six committee, formally sending the former president a subpoena. trump has been ordered to submit documents by november 4th and appear for a deposition on november 14th. in an exclusive interview with msnbc, president biden waiting in on his presidency as legal challenges. >> i'm not going to comment on what he should do, but i think the committee has handled it very well. >> what would you say to the american people if he didn't testify, do you think? >> well a portion of them, they would say that's great. to a larger portion, i think

they would say, that was a mistake. >> he is right there. meanwhile, a major roadblock for one of president biden's key initiatives. a federal appeals court has temporarily blocked the presidents plan to forgive billions of dollars in student loan debt. the administration's efforts will remain on hold as the court considers and appeal from officials in six gop led states. and the midterms are now just 17 days away. heat races across the country are tightening as we countdown to election day. early on, msnbc, dnc chair jaime harrison gave insight into democrat strategies. they attempt to keep control of congress. >> what we have to focus on on democrats is our real plans to really do better for the american people. republicans don't have any plans other than to ban abortion nationwide to wreck social security and medicare for future generations to make sure that they can give more tax cuts to the rich. democrats are actually trying to solve problems for people

right now. >> we begin this hour on capitol hill, where the january six committee is still waiting to hear if trump will comply with their new subpoena. let's go to nbc's allie raffa, joining us from washington. ali, what is the latest on this major move by the house committee? >> yeah, alex, we heard reaction from mostly all of the major players in this historic move, except for the former president himself. we heard from his legal team reacting to the subpoena yesterday, saying, in part, quote, as with any similar matter, we will review and analyze it, and we will respond as appropriate to this unprecedented action. we also heard from several committee members in reaction to this subpoena yesterday, laying out all the reasons why they wanted to hear from trump on november 14th and review a whole list of documents some members say could be more enlightening that trump's testimony itself. by november 4th, notably, before this critical midterm elections. congressman jamie raskin, a

member of this committee, was asked about the timing and the decision around when the committee wants all these documents and testimony. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i support that timing because we want to make it clear this is not about getting him in to testify right before the election, right after the election. we don't want to get caught up in the politics of that. but of course we need to act swiftly, because we are nearing the end of this congress, and that that, point it is like cinderella's gown, where we lose our authority when this congress is over. >> obviously, the weights of that january deadline, not lawful committee members, because while they hope trump will eventually cooperate with the subpoena, they are being realistic. they have seen how trump has responded to other legal challenges and delaying and appealing those other legal cases. the big question now, looming

over this whole investigation as it wraps up, it is what happens if and when trump doesn't comply with this? remember, the committee is limited in its power to enforce these subpoenas. it has to rely on the justice department. we saw, we were reminded of that yesterday, just about an hour before the subpoena was released, with former trump advisor steve bannon sentenced to four months for defying a subpoena by this same committee. bannon saying he is expected to appeal this decision. so, all in all, a reminder that timing is not on the committees side as they try to wrap up this investigation and hold everyone accountable that they laid out evidence. four >>. right ali raphael, thank you for that. joining me now, mid broadway, they're congressional reporter for the new york times and criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst, then we've all. us welcome, luke, in your reporting with mike schmidt, you call the committee's choice to issue a subpoena of the most aggressive step taken so far, and what was already one of the most consequential congressional investigations in decades.

but you, ad lib will likely result in a legal battle. why is the panels request to give trump an opportunity to respond to their public charges so controversial? >> well, it's controversial for a number of reasons. the first is that it's likely to produce a big conflict between donald trump and the committee and the courts. it's never been adjudicated up to the supreme court as to whether congress does have the power to force a former president to answer questions, to compel him to come in and answer questions under oath. other presidents, and the former presidents in the past, have to fight it, notably truman. but -- and similarly on the committees side, other presidents have complied with a phenom before. we'll see how this goes. if it does go to court. but look. the committee held off on doing this for a long time.

they recognized there was some arguments that a president could invoke, and they wanted to build their case of strongest possible with as much evidence as they have behind them before they approached donald trump for an interview. folks on donald trump's side say, look the, reason they're doing this so light is political theater. but when you look to the committee, they say, it was really about amassing all our evidence first, before we went to confront him. >> they had to get the work done. i want to ask standing about the president -- but the committee says, luke, their request for documents and testimony from donald trump, that they were very narrowly defined. they were targeted information that he could, uniquely, provide. what are they looking for him to answer? could it influence the trajectory of their investigation? >> right. when donald trump was at the center of the plot, the plan to overturn the election, you know, he knows about every single element of it. the fake electors, the pressuring of mike pence, the

amassing of the crowd. he's the one person who has his hands and everything. and, so if you read the subpoena, it really is quite wide ranging what they want. we're talking about communications with members of congress, potential connections to right-wing extremist groups like the oath keepers and the proud boys. they're talking about conversations about planning the rally and bringing all those people to washington. so, if you did agree to testify, it probably would take several days to cover all the material they want to cover with him, and that's why they did block that out on their calendar. so,. yes. he is the central focus of the investigation. some questioned why it took so long to get to this point, but now, we are here, and we will see whether he's willing to answer the questions. >> we will see. so, danny, with the 16 committee pointing to seven former presidents who testified to residents leaving office.

and then, abraham lincoln natural for, they were sitting presidents while testifying for congress. if that enough to blunt trump's claims of executive privilege to keep him from testifying? or will this be a drawn out battle? >> there are even more examples of that. for example, ulysses s grant sat for a criminal deposition in eight of one of his buddies when he was in office. in about 1875, when that squeaky from from the manchin family subpoenaed successfully gerald ford in the criminal trial. he was his would be assassin. there is plenty of precedent for a subpoena anchoring precedents, and there is -- if you could subpoena a current president, there is way less of a problem subpoenaing our former president, because you don't have the same executive branch separation of power concerns that you would with a sitting president. so, in all likelihood, if pressed, congress could get this subpoena in force.

the reality is, they likely waited to log to actually get the subpoena and forced. there's going to be a lot of debate about this, but arguably, they knew what stuff or they need to know many months ago, and one of the things the trump legal team does very well is delay. they appeal, they move for stays, they could successfully lay a case for many, many years. case in point, you only just sat for a deposition in the eugene carroll case this last week. we've been talking about that for appeals at least a couple of years! >> oh, no, 100 percent. i think this is the very first rulebook on the trump legal playbook. the late, the late, lay. danny, the committee did ask donald trump to inform them properly if he plans to invoke his fifth amendment. why do they need to know that in advance? >> they would like to know it in advance. i don't think there's any requirement that donald trump informed them that, he plans to invoke them. but there is precedence for running the fix. he did it in a recent deposition, involving the civil

case against, him but so, two, expect donald trump, if you ever sits, and i don't believe he ever will sit for a message for this message, but if you did, donald trump may not take the fifth as much as you might think. this is somebody who was a veteran of many depositions, and in his mind, like many witnesses, he probably thinks he can get away with just saying, don't know anything about. it don't remember. not my problem. okay, you guys are never problem you guys thank you so much for hammering things out for us. historically an author jon meacham joins me now, his new book is titled and there was light. abraham lincoln and the american struggle. sean, my friend, thank you for keeping me company on my plane flight yesterday from new york to los angeles. i had a good chunk of time to read the book. it is extraordinary, not surprisingly. let's talk about all of this. it is not new territory, many presents including linking cooperated with the subpoenas provided evidence. providing testimony.

money did it then after leaving office and specifically we had others being spoken about biden isabel us. what about donald trump? what happens here? >> well that fundamental principle of american, and the constitution's ethos as that nobody is above the law. that is one of the reasons that we have a country, it grows out in many ways of the great western tradition that starts with -- and move sort of the own time. the question that we have to ask ourselves is, not what is not new territory on the subpoena if you will. what is new territory. and the new territory is that a sitting president of the united states sought to subvert of the election, which is a threshold issue for a functioning republic. if you can just decide and if

you can manipulate election results to achieve power in civil society, then that is not a republic anymore. it is an autocracy. maybe it's an oligarch-y with all sorts of quasi-thing worth talking to me but it surely is that american democracy. and so i think that the trigger that brought about richard nixon is true and in 1974 was a burger court decision that said he had to hand over the smoking gun tape. the tape where he is heard to try and use different agencies of government to cover up the watergate crime. the remarkable thing the couple week period, is that nixon followed the law. in the sense that he resigned as opposed to facing what he

knew would be at that point, impeachment and removal. think about that for one second. he had a sense of shame and assad's ob of wikipedia durability and legitimacy of american institutions. and so the question now 50 years on nearly is do we still believe in the efficacy durability? and sensuality, legitimacy of those institutions? >> it is, funny when i was jogging from los angeles airport yesterday, i drove past the former home of hr haldeman. of course was imprisoned after his watergate crimes there. starting as the chief of staff the president, excitement thinking about even all of this from last day. speaking up last, day yesterday before steve bannon was sentenced to four months in prison for defying a subpoena from the same congressional committee. he absurdly declared the biden regime illegitimate.

and a recent new york times poll shows 28%, more than a quarter do not trust the results of the upcoming midterm elections will be accurate. john, is there any president for the way trump folks have undermined confidence in the voting process? >> no. i will go on, but i want to be very clear. a full-on answer though that is no. sort of the closest thing i think, naturally goes to lincoln's in february 3rd to. 1861. there were fears that there would be an insurrection. that there would be an illegal decertification. failure to certify. the electoral votes and abraham lincoln's presidential election. it's a fascinating, moment to look at. lincoln understood, that was the key moment. lincoln as a lawyer sort of was being warned that it might be

assassinated on the way to washington. he was being one that he might be assassinated or disrupted, even kidnapped at the inauguration. he said no that in fact, the key point was going to be the electoral count. and remarkably, and fortuitously we had a vice president and that era. john who became a confederate general, became a confederate official. but who had sworn an oath to that particular constitution. and like mike pence, he insisted on doing his duty. and so we avoided a crisis of legitimacy at that hour. that is the closest thing and think about alex for one second, that is the analogy that we are forced to draw. there have been so many closer presidential elections. just in recent times, 1960s nixon and kennedy. 1968, nixon then humphrey and george wallace. bush freak or, it is trump

versus clinton. and that every other point, at every other point in american history, the threshold question of a democracy, only survives if people win humbly and lose graciously. that principle has been violated. and i don't want to be overly dark on a saturday afternoon. but if we break the united states of america, it's not going to be all that easy to put back together again. and i really do think those are the stakes that we are talking about. >> i will tell you, though that except humbly and not lose but at least to parker graciously, thank you very much george washington for sending that president for us. let me ask you about relative to the book. we make the case that lincoln was faced with tough choices on a time of extreme turmoil. do you see parallels between the choices that he faced and the choices that even voters faced today?

>> i absolutely do, i think this is a strong, the most important test for american democratic institutions since the civil war. for a long time, yoon i talked about this. i sort of hope that this was, imagine saying i hope this was 1933. or 1968 where there was immense pressure of the system. democratic capitalism in the 1930s. it was under profound assault, 1968, we were roiled by assassinations and domestic violence. 46 americans today were dying in vietnam. that was a dark, dark period. and what is different and what makes us more like the 1850s and 1860s is at least a 1933 and a 1968. enough of us still believed in again, the efficacy of the institutions. to prevail in the long run. what happened in the 1850s and

1860s. the crisis that lincoln face, and the crisis that americans face. white americans in particular was that where we are going to actually live up to the promise that the promise was founded on. that all men were created equal and worse and salable rights. where are we going to make that principle a practical one and put it into practice. and if we weren't we were not gonna be who we said we wanted to be and that's where we are. and we dedicated a new federal courthouse in nashville yesterday and made per fred dodson. and the former senator and hollywood actor. and we were talking about moral of law. talking about when he was a young republican lawyer. telling the white house that you better get the tapes together and get them up here

fast. you know, he did not say go and burn them. he did not deny they existed. he said you have to make this, we have to follow these protocols and politics. so what i think voters are facing in 17 days and again in 24 months. is a pretty straightforward question. which is are you willing to vote for and support a journey toward a more perfect union? even if your particular policies preferences will not be fulfilled in the next, x number of months? that is a high-level question of citizenship. and if you aren't willing to participate in the competent, then the covenant will not hold. last question about why you wrote the book. i read it wasn't so much she wanted to look at what lincoln did. many books have been lesson about that. you wanted to find out why he did it. what was the prevailing sense?

>> it was how versus why. it was how versus why. he was a principled, anti slavery politician. i am not trying to elevate him to god like status. emancipation abolition came about of this country because of a multiplicity of factors, not, at least, the courage of black americans themselves to insist on liberty. as a white politician, however, lincoln stood by a conviction that slavery could not spread and ultimately, would not stand. he made choices in realtime that were contrary to his immediate political interests. and in making choices in realtime that were contrast to your immediate political interests is the definition to's of statements friendship. my question is, why did he do it? he did it because he thought it was right. he said, slavery is wrong. they think slavery is right and

want to keep it, we think slavery is wrong and do not. there are moments, as james russell wrote, at once to every man a nation to comes a moment to decide. we are facing a similar moments. what we have to decide on, right now, is, do we allow a dedicated interest that is enthralled to one man to put the pursuit of power above american principle? and if that's the case, this experiment, as lincoln might say, might not long endure. the good news is we do have the power to make the choice, to keep this experiment going. was it once thrilling and terrifying? it's thrilling because it's up to us, and it's terrifying, because, oh jesus, it's up to us! >> jon meacham, thank you so much for this chats. i will say, this book is the

next best thing to taking a year-long college and university course with you. so glad we have that. anyway, so good to see you. best of luck with the book. that's going to be number one for a long, long time. thank you, john meacham. early voting getting underway in a state where a senate rate could tip the balance of power in washington. we'll bring you details on that, next. next what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us. anask your doctor with h-i-v, about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults.

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are heading to the polls for the first day of in-person early voting. the latest poll showing democratic incumbent catherine cortez masto in a dead heat with republican elaine laxalt, in the states crucial senate race. of course, matt thought yesterday -- to reject her gop opponent for his role in reporting false hopes about the 2020 election. >> not once did i hear adam laxalt, a former attorney

general who disdain for law enforcement, condemn what happened that day. not once have i heard him stand up for those law enforcement officers. it's been more than a year later, and all he has been able to say about the insurrection is that it was exaggerated by the media. and that, he said most of those involved should not face consequences. >> joining me now from las vegas is john ross, an msnbc political analyst and ceo of the nevada independent. john, welcome. good to see you. particularly when we talk about anything from the vada. what has happened here? cortez masto was ahead about a month ago. what is driving adam laxalt's search in the polls? >> alex, it's good to be with you, too. i have to say, i wouldn't call it a surge by adam laxalt. he has had, in some recent polls, but this race has been close from the beginning. for a combination of reasons. first, there's the general atmosphere of it being a mid

term year, and the fact that nevada is a purple state. and, catherine cortez masto is just not that high profile of a senator, and not as defined, especially, as a freshman, as some other senators might be. so, all of the elements are there for a close race. that is what we have. >> look, nevada is essentially a motto economy. it's centered around served tourism and the service industry. tell me about the relationship between covid and the economic recovery from that, and what is taking place in regards to the blame for the economy collapsing? where is that being pointed? >> that's a great question. we are still a one trick pony here. it's the las vegas strip, and basically everything else is way below that. when the governor, who is a democrat as well, shut down the strip for a few months, it's absolutely crushed the economy. and a lot of people polling

shows, alex, give him credit for acting decisive early on in covid, but he has had to wear some of the problems later in covid, including schools being shots for too long, taking too long to open the economy, and so that is being used against democrats generically. democrats, essentially, control nevada. they have been in complete control of the legislature in the capital, and they control all but one statewide office. so, that has been the generic campaign. now, this event economy has rebounded. the jobs have mostly come back. unemployment rate is now relatively low, but of, course there are still people who are struggling. we've got message appeals to that are being put out by the republicans. yes initially was fear that turn to frustration and so there was a lot of talk john about the hispanic vote in nevada. i will play about what they said about how latinos feel about cortez masto. here it is. >> the last six years he left

behind latinos in the stage, and now represent them. she has been working so hard to try and regain this vote. the last week of the election if she represents that community. they are very upset, they understand that unfortunately joe biden with the almost 100% support of senator masto had passed policies that are killing the american dream in las vegas. that have given a 16% inflation, given us almost six-dollar gas. and it is breaking the backs of the latino community in our state. >> big picture john, how accurate is that statement? which hispanic voters is he appealing to? >> of course, he is painting with a broad brush because it's in his interest to do so alex. and no, demographic -- is monolithic but polling has shown that the hispanics in nevada and the the country have not been as dominant for democrats, for cortez masto as they should be.

those numbers that you have up there now, they seem pretty good. what she needs to be well over 60%, and if adam gets 40% of the hispanic vote. that is a victory for him and the republicans who will make cortez masto's tass very difficult and imagine what that says alex, if the first latina ever elected to the u.s. senate cannot get dominant support from the has bannocks. which has been a bedrock of the democratic party here and has helped a statewide candidates and presidential candidates. to alex one nevada, that is a very bad sign for democrats across the country. >> i have to tell you john, if that happens hawaii to come back and answer that question about what it says. we will see, 17 days to go. many thanks, so will he talk about the subpoena? and front of a big crowd, how will he explain it to his fans? the expectations of the rally in texas tonight for you know who.

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here is what they had to say. >> about the subpoena? let the legal process proceed and then as the process goes along, they will be like more, more and more stuff will come up. >> it makes me disgusted so i turn it off. you know? i would like to know the outcome but i do keep it on, you know what i mean? it is on and it's off, you just get upset. >> so alex, as you heard overall, the sentiment is some skepticism asked about that subpoena will actually do anything. you ask, what if we can expect to hear from the former president on this? time will tell, he comes this evening so we will look at for that. as for who is expected, joining on this rally we know candidates he has endorsed. we are from texas governor, greg abbott that he does not plan to attend. we told us in the statement, he welcomes a former president however, he had a prior commitment. we will have to wait and see

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to help formerly incarcerated people vote. coming after a historic court decision expanding voting rights for people with felonies, who are on probation or parole. joining me now from raleigh is nbc, antonia hylton. antonia, welcome. this is fascinating. there has been issues in florida, how is this playing out in north carolina? >> you know alex, that is right. it has been interesting being on the ground in north carolina because a lot of folks that paid more attention this midterm cycle. the states like georgia or wisconsin where you know, there are candidates running more flashy campaigns or more controversies. democracy is very much on the ballot here and north carolina is actually in the midst of a historic expansion of voting rights. 56,000 people, getting the right to vote back. these are people who have maybe on felony probation or parole or supervision. who are going to be able to vote for the first time. and in a state where people lose races by a couple hundred or a couple thousand votes, this means that their voice has incredible power. i want to introduce you to a second johns voter was with me

today named -- thank you so much for being here with us. it is wonderful to meet you. what did it mean for you to vote today? >> a man who made to vote today to have a chance for a future. and i'm looking at my future right here in front of me. that is what i get from that, that is the start. i feel like taking a first step is what the future holds. if you do not take the first, that you will not get anywhere. i feel like taking the first step is what causes the gas to move forward in the future. thank you. >> what are the issues that are most important to you and your family right now? >> the issues most important to me is spending the most time, spending time with my family. being able to bond, being able to communicate and show that love. instead of just talking about it. it's easy to say, oh i love you but versus giving that person a hug, a physical hug and a physical caucus or showing physical action.

it's completely different. >> as part of that demonstrating voting for them? >> yes ma'am. >> what are some of the issues as a voter that you care about right now? economy? inflation? abortion rights, what has motivated to? >> what motivated you, seeing the struggle. i feel like if you do not go through a struggle, you don't have an understanding. if you do not go through a physical experience, you will not have an understanding. i feel like every day we make a mistake in order to learn from it. the matter is that if you learn from it, so that is how i feel like you move forward. >> thank you, so wonderful to meet you and your three handsome sons. thank you guys for being here with me. you know, alex it will be fascinating to see what happens during this early vote period as we get closer to november 8th. because again 56,000 people may not sound like a lot to some around the country, but in a state like north carolina were margin sent to be south in, it really could mean drastic change. the supreme court is going to hear this case in 2023. so voters who are in this position are really trying to

show their strength right now, because there is fear that there could be a reversal that is the makeup of the court changes here, the state supreme court that they could once again lose some access to the ballot box. many of the voters in this position to not fall into easy categories. many are concerned about inflation and the economy, they are often in a position coming out of prison where they are going to be more affected by many of those employment issues. also, they know what it is like to have a rights taken away from them. many of the voters i talked to also talk about abortion rights and women's access to reproductive care as major issues. there is a lot here in the state as purple as north carolina, that is at stake. these voters might play an important role and how all of this and that being decided, alex. >> yes, absolutely. antonia, what i love most about that interview, that father is leading by example to his three sons. that was really heartwarming. good one. >> you, see they all have the t-shirts on. >> i know, they are a beautiful family. that was great. it is the one issue that could

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having to close the doors. to canola anyone else, and it was so crowded. >> a group of 20 woman and san antonio, all in 60s and 70s, at 9:00 at night and they said we are going to the capital. they wanted to be a part of this. they wanted to say stop this. >> i have seen the woman who marched on washington back in the day. and then young people have never been to any kind of action in their life. >> it was really cool to sense a community. it was creating a bond that we know, no matter what happens that we are also going to be in this together for the long run. >> we are coming back, we are coming back. we are coming back. we are coming back. [applause] >> there were these moments in the day when the building would literally come alive. i can feel it under my feet. [inaudible] >> upset by the crowd's

behavior, lieutenant governor referred to the folks who are there as an unruly mob. they have since taken that mantra and worn it with pride. >> joining me now, the subject of the film wendy davis. founder of, founder deeds not words as well as gretchen stolte. i want to welcome you both and wendy, i know you when i became acquainted nine years ago a 2013. it was impossible to forget what you did there, the words, the moments in all of it. but in light of the supreme court decisions, why does telling the story now seem more important than ever? >> you know, alex first of all thank you so much for giving us an opportunity to talk about it. i hope that what this film will do is remind people of the individual and collective power that we have. and really, that comes with just showing up you know?

that guy in the capitol, and one of the people in the film said. it had to be close because it was filled to capacity. that has never happen in the history of the texas capital. and it was a demonstration of what can happen when we decided to own our power. and i hope as we are coming up in the midterm elections. we will remind people, that individually that if we will just show up, and do our part collectively that we can realize the change that we want to see. >> what yes absolutely. extraordinary to to think about how you are ahead of the curve. this was nine years ago. almost, in a foreshadowing of what was to come. the importance of all of it, now it becomes front and center in the conversations these days. that film gretchen reveals a disconcerting fact about civil rights. not they are always under siege. you focus on several women in fact in the film, the actions that they have taken. why was that important to you

to show all of this? >> you know, one thing that really kept me going over these last eight or nine years, when things have gotten worse for reproductive freedoms and other constitutional rights is the example of the people in our film who were so energized and galvanized by the filibuster. that they went out and did whatever they could from wherever they were. i think one of the characters was 13 when she watched the filibuster and by 16, she started a program in her high school for her fellow students. one of the other characters was 19 when the filibuster happened and when she decided to go out and stand in for the governor's office for two weeks, i really took so, i take so much inspiration and hope from their examples. that we can make a difference no matter who we are. >> yes, thus wanting to direct a whole film about this. so wendy, your filibuster, it was no small thing. it was physically demanding on.

you i remember, you cannot leave on anything, you cannot switch places with anybody. you could not even sip water. 11 hours of speaking is a lot. when you reflect on that, what stands out most to you from the experience? >> well it was actually 13 hours alex. >> oh wow, i am sorry. >> it's all, right it was physically tough obviously. i had to be fitted for a catheter that morning for example because i knew i was not going to be able to leave the floor to go to the restroom. but really what made it possible where the people who were there. because i understood that while i have the microphone in my hand, we were collectively working to gather to shout down an injustice. it really was their voices and will not just figuratively but literally in the last minutes of that evening. what that prevented the secretary of the senate from taking a vote before the midnight deadline. and it was just such an

inspiring example of what can happen. when we show up and decide that we are going to fight against something that we know to be wrong. >> can i just say that i'm glad i'm sitting down and i have this anchor decks me to prop me up at the prospect of adding two hours? to 11 already. what you accomplish there and it is extraordinary. so gretchen, one of the messages in your film is the importance of local politics. regional politics. it basically clears away for national policies and again, we saw this with roe. what do you want viewers to understand most about this? >> you know, one thing i really come away with from this story is that although all politics are local, because of the way we communicate now and because of how vocal people are online and on social media, all local politics are not global. we can learn from what women and other countries are doing to protect their rights. and other people in our country

can learn from what we have done here in our state. to come together. the radical act of coming together and figuring out how together that we can make these changes. >> yes, lastly the undp. what is your big takeaway that you hope viewers of this film will think about? >> i hope that this will inspire people to understand the ripple impacts that it could happen when we stand up for something that we believe in. and that those ripple effects even if we ultimately find ourselves in the place that we do today. they can create the voices, the energy, the people who are going to be a part of turning this around. and the only way literally the only way that we will turn this around as through voting. the simple act of showing up and voicing our discontent with lawmakers who have put us in the situation that we are in

today. >> well my admiration for you remains, wendy davis founder of founder deeds. and also to you director gretchen stolte for this film. it is great, thank you ladies and best of luck with. that all of you, we will invite you shop then down midnight. air summer at 10 pm eastern on msnbc, also we'll be streaming on peacock. also tomorrow, my -- travel to pennsylvania to talk to voters on both sides of the issue. let's talk about abortion rights, that airs sunday at three eastern. that will differ me on this edition of alex reports, i will see you again tomorrow right here from los angeles, noon eastern. yasmin is up next. is up next. is up next. covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too by asking your healthcare provider if an oral treatment is right for you. oral treatments can be taken at home

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