>> yes, just the music get too excited i love that movie. tickets for back to the future that musical go on sale to the public on friday october 20th obviously i'm going to be on the in line. that wraps it up for. me i'm asking to see the, and i'll be back tomorrow 2 pm eastern. in the 3 pm hour i am going to have our msnbc special, let's talk about abortion rights. be sure to tune in for that, as well. simone sanders townsend pick things up right now. >> greetings you are watching symone we are just 17 days away from the midterms elections. i am sitting down with labor secretary marty walsh and i have to, say issues that americans have on their minds. jobs, inflation, and even the r-word, recession, the next few weeks are the last chance for the midterm candidates to

hammer home their messages to candidates and with polls showing a midterm shifting towards republicans, we are going to take a look at how democrats need to answer attacks that are frankly based on lies and take back the conversation. and, a blistering account of former president donald trump's actions from january six house committee they subpoenaed. they issued a subpoena with deadlines for donald trump to turn over documents and testify next month. will he show up? willie ignore? will he simply run out the clock? we are going to begin his shoe his legal options and what's next i'm simone sanders thompson, and i have something to say. >> today we begin with the economy and how it is shaping the final stretch of these very consequential midterm elections we are talking about the prices that you paper grasses and gas and how americans feel about

their financial future when they go to the ballot box. in a moment we are going to hear from the united states secretariat labor, mr. marty walsh, and we are going to get his take on all of that. but first, let's get you caught up on to news about the economy this week the biden administration is celebrating a first the united states budget deficit was sliced in half for fiscal year 2022. a fell by 1.4 chilean dollars. this is the biggest when your drop in history. here is what president biden had to say about why that matters the federal deficit went up every single year in the trump administration every single year he was president it went up before the pandemic. it went up during the pandemic. it one of every single year on his watch, the republican watch. and the republican criticism criticize economic record, but look at what i have inherited and what i have done. >> okay, big deal. but you and most every other voter out there probably are asking yourself right now, had this affect me? and will this affect midterm

elections? well, the fed does watch the deficit to determine interest rates, but are you going to notice it at the grocery store next week? you are not. we've also got a new poll from cnbc any finds that there is deep economic pass pessimism ahead of the november election. just 16% of voters believe the economy is either excellent or good while 45% call it pour. but the biden administration has made related progress. the job numbers are good, and their's promise of an increase in manufacturing. i had the chance to talk to the secretary of labor, marty walsh, about all of this. and we discussed is working to creating jobs talk about inflation, we've talked about the r-word, recession. and we met in manufacturing plant and connecticut called micro board. and it could help cut into a market dominated by china. microchip production. i started by asking him about that. here's what secretary walsh on to say. >> president biden passed egyptian science act. part of that was microchips,

creating more microchips. a place like this is going to benefit tremendously from that. we are going to build microchips need i'd say to america. we are going to put them together here in connecticut, and other parts of the country. and we are going to get our cars, our computers, and everything that we need to help our supply chain. >> all right, we look forward. again, this is the circuit car made in america right here. i want to get into this. you are the secretary of labor and i had to imagine, you are in a weird position right now. because if you do your job properly, create more jobs, it could cause the fed to react that would cause more financial pain. how do you manage that? >> we are at a very unique moment out in time in our economy. this is not any type of past recession that we are dealing with we are talking about coming out of a pandemic, we are talking about a different type of response. and i think a lot of people, i want to continue to push to get people into good paying jobs. i want to continue working on a

jog training and workforce development. i think it's good that people are going and get a good job. i i know that the fed is taking their own action, the president yesterday released 15 million barrels of oil. to keep our gas prices down from the response of what opec did but we are living in a very different economic time today. >> it is absolutely. two evolution is up over 8% since last year you mentioned the r-word, recession. i have heard a lot of hedging. i guess i want to ask her to, actually when will the recession arrive? >> i am not convinced we're headed that way. i think we are going to have certain areas that we might have some problems in. we have had an incredible economic run here in this country for the last ten or 12 years, there is always a potential recession but i think we have to stay focused on economic policies that are going to keep americans working, and get americans into good paying jobs well supporting companies. there is a new survey by cnbc, an all american economic survey. this is that 80% of people

surveyed called the economy fair or poor 70% said that inflation has sent them back financially. almost half of the people who responded to the survey said they expect the economy to get worse in the next year. what do you say to these folks to give them a bit of hope? >> i think we just have to contagion before. what i think to do a better job of messaging by this administration, when president took over 10 million people read work. ten people are back to work schools were closed, schools are now open. colleges were, close call just now open. we are making a major investment for the first time in decades dinner every structure we are creating opportunities to bring more manufacturing jobs back to the net save america. the president possibility inflation reduction act, not everyone knows that that is what is going to do in a nutshell is bearing down prescription cost for folks. it is going to help health care coughs it is going to tackle some of our climate issues so i think that people are going to start to feel better as we move into the next year but people have a right to be concerned because, and the president said this, the price of the kitchen table is too high. we need to do everything we can to bring those prices down.

>> let's talk about unemployment the national unemployment rate failed to about 3.5% in september when we talk about black workers, the average unemployment rate was 6.3%. that is double of white folks asian folks, asian markets about 2.7%. i really numbers here. it is 50% higher than hispanic workers this did not just happen it is a perennial issue. black unemployment seems to always be twice that or more of overall unemployment. why haven't we seen it improve over the years >> the black unemployment last month was i think 5.8 or 6%. this is historical. it's a historic problem and we are focused on it the biden harris administration number one is focused on it and the president has focused on three different bills. but at the department of labor we are being really intention about this. we have to do something different it is not working. and is not simply just getting a job for 70 in the black community. it is about how do we create a job that is a middle class job

to get somebody into the middle class of black immunity and we are focused on that in the administration right now. we are working into parts of the country on those numbers. what we are doing isn't working, we have to do something new. the democrats lose the house. have you all had conversation about how this is going to affect the biden agenda, particularly as it relates to your neck of the woods? >> well it isn't going to affect my job. it will in the sense that we will probably have one of the potential chairs of that committee has said that he's gonna come after me but regardless of what happens in the midterms, as a secretary labor i'm going to continue to represent the working people in this country. >> in our society. we have new stuff. working from, home telework, new respect for frontline workers i would argue. millennia workers and gen z workers. i'm a millennial. prioritizing work life balance respecting the workplace. how do you see these factors impacting the labor force going forward? >> i think that there still a

lot of settling to do here. i think a lot of companies are still trying to figure out what is that balance of telework versus in-person work. i think a lot of people are trying to figure out what is their work life balance going to be when the pandemic began, a lot of people quit their job and it was people who made good money. because they realize they were working 60 70 hours a week, 80 hours a week. they don't know where katy hours a week anymore. so i think it is still settling down and what we are doing at the department of labor, we are working with employers and employees to talk about what that looks like, what the workplace looks like, what their future work looks like. and we also launched the good jobs initiative to make sure that these jobs are being created. that we are creating good opportunities moving forward as all think it is going to take some time to figure out what the american workplaces going to look like. but i think at the end of the day will be stronger >> what is the thing that surprised you most about the stop? >> when you think about the department, labor thing about, farmers evening where the federal government really does and how it impacts people on the ground i don't think i understood the impact that it had on the average american every day, all the work that

happens in the federal government. it really is important, the work that we do. and i certainly would love at the secretary of labor artificial prior to that, i would look at people with more respect or more understanding for what elected officials do. >> marty walsh, secretary of the department of labor, thank you very much for your time and you have a meeting to get. to >> thank you. >> all right, folks. my political panel standing back reaction to secretary walsh and we are going to get into how democrats can take back the message on crime. the republicans have hijacked. and frankly, they have hijacked and are using the dishonest and debunked talking points. later, we will have my conversation with that president of sigma gamma rose so incorporated, rashida liberty. she will be here virtually i'm going to ask her about the vital work that organization is doing to reach voters 17 days out from the midterms but first, my colleague and first checks again layton is here with today's other top news stories

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well democrats said abortion rights and climate change for the most critical for them. i think if we layer in some demographics and dig a little deeper, we might see some overlap. then we got to the voters in swing states. they are going to determine the balance of power in congress. the senate, the house, democrats. they want to convince undecided voters and base voters to that their party is the best to handle the issues of inflation and crime. but you have these republican attacks are aimed at convincing voters otherwise. again, the maternal actions already here. we are not waiting on them, they are. here over 7 million early votes have been cast. that is according to the united states elections project. with so many close races in key states, the next few weeks could not be more urgent. joining me now to discuss is my political panel, eugene daniels. an msnbc political contributor. we also have former democratic congresswoman donna edwards, she is an msnbc political analyst. and read galen, friend with the best to you first names. he is the cofounder of the

lincoln project and host of the lincoln project podcast and an independent political strategist. welcome to you all. eugene i want to start with you. i want to hear your reaction to secretary washes comments on jobs on the economy. what did you think? >> it sounded more optimistic that i think a lot of people are feeling. and that is something that every time that i talk to the white house, comes out. the way that they are talking about it is very optimistic. they talk about it as most people do. they find the things that are getting the economy, they want to push forward with. that they want to talk about, he's gotta get this inflation we have made a sturdier economy but that is not what people are feeling. that is not just the issue of the midterms, but how did people think about this administration overall. they don't feel good. i think that is something that they sometimes ms.. they know that. people feel disconnected. >> you know, i wanna hear thoughts because when i was speaking to the secretary, he made the case that, to eugene's

point, something that obviously the administration officials have sent to eugene that voters just don't understand what is happening and i said, well that is also part of it. but he also said he thinks that people are gonna start to feel better about the economy next year. i'm wondering if you agree with that? >> look, they might i think the problem is that we are in the midst of three, four, five-year malaise for black about way to put it as far as people how people feel that everything. we shouldn't underestimate the toll that covid has still taken on so many. that inflation is a real thing. that i do believe politically it feels like the democrats did peek a little bit early. but that being said, i think that we shouldn't underestimate that survey showed which is that democrats look as far as their voters are concerned, there things tend to be more coastal issues, younger issues, more liberal and progressive issues that are different from the middle of the country. i would definitely also say

that we shouldn't underestimate the fact that it is october it isn't even hear republicans are trying to scare the white people. they are probably doing a pretty good job. i would say that the conservative media machine in this country is unending. it is expanding and it never stops and is relentless. and some of that even by osmosis -- . >> we are going to talk about this crime issue in just a moment because i am like, about the fact that i feel like we are having a disingenuous conversation when it comes to crime. let's hear what president biden had to say because he had a conversation with my colleague jonathan capehart that people will see in this totality tomorrow the sunday show. and in this clip they talk about the importance of the midterm elections. take a listen to this. >> i think that this is not a referendum, this is a choice. a choice between what kind of country you what republicans have made it clear, firstly that what they want to do as most of them have voted against

saying the bill to reconstruct america through the infrastructure, the highways, roads. they all voted against the inflation reduction act which provides for environmental security and safety they don't have a platform other than tear down what i have able to do, what we've been able to do and i don't know what they are for. >> congresswoman, republicans just said that republicans don't have a platform, he doesn't know, therefore and he made the case that if they win control of one or both houses or win these governors seats, that will roll back all of the progress that was made. do you think that that message is getting through to americans? >> first of all, i think most of these elections whether the house races or senegalese races are going to be decided by very very narrow margins. i think that the president was speaking to voters who are in that one or 2% who are going to decide. look, i think it is a tough case to make, when people are hurting and clearly they are i

think it is important to acknowledge their hurt. two point to the things that the administration has done to there benefit. and then try to convince that one or 2% and there is still a couple of weeks left to do that. although some ballots are still being castrate now, but i think the administration actually has a strong case to make on the economy. we just need to start saying it over and over again. i, mean conservatives don't have a problem repeating repeating, rinse and repeat. democrats have to do the same thing. i absolutely agree. democrats need i said they're out there talking at the economy. insofar as they are not talking about it, when i don't think maybe some of us are listening but you, they need to repeat repeat repeat. we need to take a page out of some of your playbooks. let's talk about some surface defect races. nevada, we talk about what people are voting. early voting is underway as we speak in nevada and i think

read it is the republicans let's hope that we've got democratic. he's fighting for her political life against republican adam blacks off he's the former attorney general. they will talk to my colleague about each other in the. ground here's what they had to say. >> he's a post prescription drug. he's opposed to my bipartisan work that's been done in the state, and he is opposed to the creation of jobs and growing the economy. there's extreme radical agenda that he is literally leaning into because it is for his own political jane game. there is a difference, i stand nevadans. he stands with big oil and big pharma. >> her whole message that she doesn't know who joe biden has never supported joe biden, that is what she's but the spring and summer doing. now the voters understand that her record is her record. she never breaks from her party. that is why you are seeing the huge break our direction. people that we need change. >> read, do you think the senator's message is clear enough to counter?

>> i think it probably. as if i had been advising her i would have told her chief of what she was talking about. i would have started with adam laxalt, the extremity. frankly, he is weird. he's a really weird guy. nevadans know that. so i would have started with this. you know, as much as i want to say, when they go low we go high. like, i would take it as well when they go low we pull at the flame thrower. >> well on this, show we read, when they go low we go toe-to-toe. there's a line we don't, crossbow we gotta. let's talk about going toe to toe on crime. crime is a major issue and i'm speaking to all of you on here. crime is a major issue to i think everybody. not just republicans, it's an issue for democrats, than issue for republicans, it's an issue for black, people for white, people but it's being framed in a dishonest. way are months in this conversation about the border. open borders, it's a lie. democrats are just not soft on crime, they are trying to say the democrats want to crime. i just really think that we are

just not having a real conversation about an issue that is truly affecting folks across the country. am i wrong? somebody tell me. what's going on, eugene? >> i think you're right. you look at republicans and what they do very well around the midterms is scare people. they look at where the places are that they can get people, fear is an important driver to voting. that's something that they know they do really well. and then you have to defund the police moniker. which had a senior advisor at the dnc and former white house official said wisdom. that is something that has stuck with him for really long time. and the truth of the matter is, democrats, largely do not want to defund the police. president biden give more money to police. democrats john about that around the country. it is not because of the conversation about defund the police that happened is creating a barrier. so you have you seen people having crime in their streets, and they're getting worried, black people also delay kyler streets right. >> what is your take on this

because like it frustrates me because no one wants crime >> well this is where democrats should not run away from hitting republicans know straight-up. democrats passed the first gun safety legislation in 30 years. democrats did that, not with republicans help. that is hard on crime issue. democrats put money as eugene said into law enforcement, smart long forsman. community policing. republicans, democrats, urban rural, that is what they want to see. so democrats shouldn't run away from the crime issue, they need to run toward it and point to the things that they have done. i think that is a winning message. >> well i wish we could have this conversation all day. unfortunately out of time. as reed said, okay, when folks go low, it's time to go toe to toe. eugene daniels, do you not allow yourself to big atletico the crime issue, folks. do not allow.

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with the presence of the divine nine. historically black led organizations. and today we are speaking with the international president of sicknick anna rose 4g semi gamma roe was founded on november 12th 1922 at butler university in indianapolis indiana by seven educators. the organization has a membership of over 100,000 with more than 500 chapters in the united states in the virgin islands as well as the bahamas, bermuda, germany, canada, south korea, and the united arab emirates. with their slogan greater service greater progress, the sorority is committed to and has a long history of leading positive change to help uplift that community. at its, core cigarette gamma rose outreaches force focused on promoting education, service, and leadership development. richie the liberty as the international president of sergei so gamma rose incorporated and the chair of the council of presidents of the national and like panel. she joins me. now it is great to see you, madam president.

as we mentioned, yes i'm so happy we could have this conversation. as we mentioned, you are the new chair of the council presidents for the and phd. and we had president low shear on, longer on from alpha alpha fraternity incorporated. i know he was the outgoing president. you talk about the work that has been shown to create synergy among the divine nine. you are getting that baton very pivotal time. how are you picking up the torches and continuing the work that has been done this year? i had the opportunity to actually have served during the time when we were making some big strides in 2020. as the national president, as the incoming national president per se mike our role at that time. so i remember the work that we did on the ground to really give when we all vote going, the owner vote process with oprah winfrey's network. so we did a lot of great work to build momentum in 2020. so it is just a repeat of 2022. and it really is about getting people more engaged because sometimes we lose focus when

there is not a presidential election. so we want to keep our foot on the gas and so that is a momentum bet i am hoping that we continue to create as we follow through these midterm elections. >> i don't think that second gamma row has had their foot on the gas because you all have been hosting judicial and issue forms and i really think it has created conversation about what is at stake in this year's elections. can you talk to us about these forms over the country? >> yeah. so our forms are really focused on what i would say our three critical issues for us. so health equity. us being a women's organization. we want to ensure that women are treated equally through the health care process. and so that is about our children, as well as being mothers for the maternal process. human and equal rights. so what does that mean for us. we'll make sure everyone is treated fairly. voting rights falls into this category. and of course the biggest one that is top of mind for our communities that we serve is economic impact. what are we doing to create opportunities for individuals to be successful financially

for the long haul for their families and the success of the communities that we serve. >> specifically in georgia, i found very interesting. you are partnering with the na w and the urban league to motivate,, educate and encourage voters head to the polls. in addition to your, forums you are setting up texas just, making phone, calls even put up ads. it struck me because there are so many important races a, cycle when specific focus on georgia? >> georgia is on our minds. it in singing meg gamma rose sorority incorporated. we felt like our impact was very strong in 2020 and we know that there is, we have a lot of tension in georgia as about a ground state the organization, actually the majority of our membership is centered in the state of georgia. we have 10% of our core sitting in georgia. our largest chapters. so we want to take care of our people said that they continue to serve their communities. so georgia is very important

for us as a battleground state, as well as florida, as well as texas, wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania. >> name the states, madam president, name. them >> all those battleground. states to when you get to advertising for us, we went to the communities that were not as intensive with voter registration, but needed to be. and we assured that billboard advertising was put specifically in those areas to really drive our faces, are images, to say this is about us and you need to be there. >> you know, i used to hawaii formalize i was involved in some polling apparatuses and we used to call that targeting and registered likely voters, and sometimes people thought that was an anomaly because if they are unregistered, how could we voters? but it is meeting people where they are it strikes me that you are not waiting for them to come to you, you are seeking the voters out. >> absolutely. we are seeking them out and not only that, when you are a voter, a registered voter, sometimes you make the assumption that everyone has a voting plan and everyone does not every voting

plan. and so when it comes to election day, you have to think about do i have work meeting scheduled, school events are my kids? what wintry from voting? therefore, we are really pushing early voting. because that is going to be that key for us and give us the long term success for our communities to be engaged in the voting process. not waiting in long lines, not being impacted by weather, school schedules, cars bringing down. we want our members to have a voting plan and those around them to do so as well >> all right, i love it. thank you for coming on today. i remember seeing you and so many of the other sister president of the fine nine at the black women today and i asked you to come and go of shown up. i appreciate you. international president of to get mcmorrow throaty incorporated, and chair of the council presidents for the -- thank you very. much >> thank you so much for the opportunity. all right straight ahead, we are going to get into the new shockwaves coming out of the mar-a-lago mastication. including more details on those

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call or that is anything to do this hundred reissue deals. thank, electors collection similar, tough to stop the electoral count. and any interaction that they had with members of congress. . this is enough again but now we have to ask these real legal questions. will the former president had anything over. will he show it to testify. how far will congress go to try to force them to comply. meanwhile, we have got some new bombshells coming out about the mar-a-lago mastication. abc news is now reporting that among that's classified documents, the fbi seized, remember? those was intelligence on iran and china. that is according to people familiar with the matter and the washington post sites to people familiar with the matter who confirmed that. at least one of the documents according to the tune of vigil seized by the fbi, describes iran's missile program. and d.c. news has not confirmed this. but let me say began, we are talking about iran's nuclear missile program. i told you all that it was in those documents.

let's bring in attorney monique pressley, host of the digital show make it make sense. because we really do need someone to make it make sense. monique, i am just, i was speechless. this news matters. let's talk about the subpoena because a subpoena former president, it was jaw-dropping to me. the committees price chair epicenter cheney said the panels will take the quote, necessary steps we need to make trump comply. what options do they have? >> they can enforce the subpoenas. i mean they can, >> congress? can >> if he does not do it on his own voluntarily, except the fact that they have a right bylaw to subpoena him and to subpoena documents, then they can go to the court to get enforcement. we have got a prior associate and comrade of former president trump, bannon, going to, for real this united states of america penal institutions. >> yes he has been sentenced to

jail for four months. >> yes, for four. months for this very thing. like none of the other criminal enterprise things. i like to call them criminally criminals because they are criminals, and then they're extra criminals. and we are dealing with texture criminals. and frankly, simone, i think that is one of the reasons why you are shocked, i'm shocked, so many people are. because we just thought in terms of moral thin standards and systems. when we elected a president, that they would at least try. that their goal would be to follow the law. that was not the case. >> no, it was not the. case i mean donald trump, he told us who he was from the beginning. it was not out to be decided here. you talked about steve bannon. there's been this mean going around on social media. you know, you mess around and then you find out. well steve bannon restaurant and he found out what happens when you ignore congressional subpoenas. he is going to jail for four months. he blamed president biden. take a listen to what he had to say. >> the biden administration and on the eighth evening, the 8th

of november. and let me say one thing. the department justice, merrick garland, will end up being the first attorney general that has brought charges of impeachment. and he will be removed from office. >> now, steve bannon, he has been sentenced to, the judge said for months. but he has an appeal. and he will not be sentenced to jail until his appeal is over, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> okay, now this is cnn. bannon is not the former president. can we blame anything from would have to see banded about what potentially happen to the president? >> i will go backward and say, third, what we can glean is that he is going to take this time, that he is gonna have to secretary has to serve it as a badge of courage. as a badge of earner honor, and something that he can come out with like he really did something and the crowd that embraces him will embrace and because of that. so it doesn't mean anything to him, nor does that penance of.

i mean he would've paid more than that and happily gone to jail longer than that in order to avoid talking. second, we can see that a former president, if this is what happened with him we can expect that trump will not follow the guidelines, will not follow the law, will not voluntarily submitted the subpoena. but first, what i want to say is, please know because i couldn't come on and not say it, that there is no black man in america who would be permitted once found guilty to stay out on appeal for such a serious crime. there are black men by the hundreds of thousands that are in correctional institutions right now for dime bags. marijuana, coke. didn't have an opportunity to appeal. so what we are seeing is a travesty on more than one front. >> along these lines them, you have got, and we can talk about the fact that classified

documents about the nuclear program refined of the presidents home. if you or i had that kind of information, we would not be out here walker and freely. you mentioned, what you just mentioned made me think about what is happening in florida. you have rhonda santas, the tyrant of tallahassee, he is targeting people that the state of florida allowed to vote. they issued voter cards to, now saying that they voted fraudulently and they are walking around arresting people their homes. i want to play this for people that did not see it. because indystar. and disproportionately the people in this videos are black and brown. listen to this. >> we have a warrant for your arrest. >> good, how are you? sir >> how's it going. >> oh my god? >> we'll tell him, he's right. here >> sir. can you put your hands when you're back. please >> monique, you are.

thoughts >> for, y'all. time is of the absence. all hands on deck. november 8th is going to matter. that's not illegal answer, that's a human answer. if we want to democracy, now is our time to ensure that every single person that can, does. because things like what we see now is only a preview of what will happen if we don't. >> that is voter invitation. i also think that is a form of voter suppression, what we just saw. trying to scare. people monique pressley, you made it made sense for me, thank you so much for being here, as always. my next guest is part of a new generation of activists who are standing up for reproductive rights and against something that i am shocked to believe to even know that this exists. non consensual pelvic exams on women. yes, you heard that right. our conversation and what expired her journey is next. expired her journey is next. expired her journey is next. will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪

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our time. the first film to premier in that series shouted at midnight, it focuses on the stand that davis took that. they are next got a young woman who's featured in the new series as she discovers something that is so chillingly invasive in bile i could not believe it was legal. please watch this. >> what we are about to tell you may come as a shock. medical students who perform pet book exams on women who are under anesthesia for training purposes. >> even more surprising, these exams were often done without the woman's knowledge or consent. >> because of have honorable people in that position are, we thought it was very important that they consent to a pelvic exam being conducted on them. >> critical shauna's rice be graduate and she joins us now. i am so happy you are. here i want to underscore what people just heard in that clip non consensual pelvic exams. this is while women were under anesthesia without their consent there are some states

that have already banned this practice, but there are others that just haven't how? how is about this practice still exists and why hasn't been stopped? >> thank you so much for having me today, simone. to answer your question, when i first found out about this issue i think since the some states had started taking action and professor wilson entered team from the illinois college of live a work in this for years. and i discovered it while i was a sophomore in college. and it just completely shocked me. and to answer your question of why some states have taken action and others have, and it's because a lot of people don't know about this. part of it comes with the fact that there is, like most of the protections right now for these an authorized pelvic exams are just the standard of implicit consent. so when you go to a doctor's office, your pages of age the paperwork. and that is sort of a consent that is taken into account what you sign the paperwork that

medical students may get involved in your care, and teaching hospitals, you are essentially giving consent. but, me in a few other student that rate just did not think that was nearly enough for the fact that public exams are putting people in such a vulnerable position. >> to say the least. this is quite possibly the most evasive thing i think that can happen to someone short of rape. i don't think that that is hyperbolic to say. we are talking about texas and i think it is safe to say that the nation is facing an urgent crisis when it comes to the reproductive autonomy of women. wendy davis as who this documentary really centers on. i'm wondering if you can talk about the sand that she took nine years ago and why it was that that had such an impact on the work that you are doing today. >> absolutely. so when that happened, i think i was in middle school. and it was just such an important and big moment for so

many people in texas because i think when she took that stand it was just something that was so unprecedented for us. and for me, and a lot of young people, it was like wow. anyone can really take action and create change. and that is i think what brought us together, we brought somebody people that are features in this documentary together the idea that all of us can take action. and since then, i have worked with wendy davis's nonprofit, days not, words that has the similar theme that we can focus on our deeds, our actions, our together as a community to really bring about a better future well, i think, i just want to thank you for all that you are doing. when i read the synopsis i was like, what is happening? we have to talk to her. what am i good girlfriends ratio is a graduate of rice, and i know that women of color race get things done. so, thank you so much. and you will sure to watch shutting down at midnight.

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