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high. >> i said this election about ideas. but both parties each the opponents as a threat. >> don't sit this election out. >> majorities of americans are worried about the economy and believe the country is heading on the wrong track. while gop enthusiasm is growing, voters are evenly split on which party should control. plus, ordered to testify. the january 6th committee officially issues a subpoena to president trump, as steve bannon is sentenced to prison. with us this morning, liz cheney. >> the solution cannot be we're going to torch the constitution. >> i'll ask her about the direction of up republican party, and her own split wall future. joining me for inside analysis are kristin welker, "the washington post" ashley parker, cornell belcher, and danielle pletka. women to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. just 16 days until the midterm election. we have brand-new poll numbers

to shire that indicates interest in this election is at an all-time high. we record 70% of voters interest in the election is a 9 or 10. what is significant about 2018, that was the highest midterm turnover in 100 years. this will indicate we'll be even higher than that. overall the battle for congressional control, a dead even 47-46, but if you go under the hood, you'll see most likely voters -- and the republicans have the advantage. that's why it feels as if the wind has shifted a bit. we asked, what message would you send? democrats, the number one message clearly is protect women's rights. it goes along with all of those abortion rights ads we've been receiving.

if you ask republicans, it's a bit mixed, one is fix the economy, reduce the cost of living. presidential job approval is one of those numbers that seems to be indicative of which way the wind is blowing. president biden sits at 45%, two points lower than barack obama in 2010, two points lower against donald trump.

the wrong track, 71%, all-time midterm high. how about presidential disapproval, sitting at 57%, again, we hadn't recorded that ever that high in our poll. the third one, the direction of the economy, will it get better or work -- worse the next year? 50% say it will get worse. going further, this interest in the election, it's high on both sides. this 69% number for democrats is astonishing, 78% for republicans. that's extra astonishing. the big gap. african american interesting, this is why you'll see a lot of barack obama in the next two weeks. there is one lone bright spot here for democrats. biden is seen as a bit more --

his agenda a bit more agreeable that is trumps, those everybody is negative. if you agree most of the time -- how about donald trump 36% agree, 56% disagree most of the time. if you want to call that a bright spot, there is one there for the democrats. most important issue facing this country, number one for the second poll out of three, threats to the democracy. this issue of threats to democracy rose to number one this summer after the start of the january 6th hearings. >> our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make them hold regardless of the political cost. we have no guarantee these men and women will be some place

next time. any future president inclined to attempt what donald trump did in 2020 has now learned not to install people who can stand in the way. >> joining me now is advice -- vice chairman liz cheney. welcome back. >> when we look at our process, that is the basis and the foundation on which we can have these debates. >> on the wyoming ballot we know of two election deniers, i assume they will not get your vote? >> they will not. it means, in the case, for example for kari lake and mark meacham in arizona, both say they have looked at the facts, looked at the law, looked at the facts that the courts all ruled against donald trump. we looked at the audits and are willing to ignore all of that and saying we would not have certify that election. they're telling you they will

only certify an election that they agree with. there's no greater threat to democracy than that. >> garrett haake asked about your critique of republicans that were campaigning with kari lake. here was his response. >> i believe everything state deserves a republican governor, and arizona deserves another republican governor. >> a lot of reps in the last three weeks that i have described as empathetic to what you're doing, have suddenly said party over country. what do you make of that decision. >> i think they're indefensible decisions. i think governor youngkin has done a good job, but nobody should be on the advocating for someone who will not honor the sanctity of our election.

>> it seems like it's been harder to ignore kari lake, and some have campaigned with doug mastriano, this win it, whatever it takes to win, winning trump is everything. how do you blow that up? >> i think you have to remind people that everybody has an obligation to defend the constitution, the obligation to do what's right. now you have a lot of republicans -- democrats do the same thing, it seems like our candidates are more dangerous

right now, but you have a lot of republicans saying, you know what? i'm going to ig know the threat posed by a former president who attempted to use force to overturn an election. i'm going to ignore that, ignore these people who embrace him. i'm going to ignore the danger and focus on the near term, is the republican party going to prevail? >> i just came back from georgia. brad raffensperger, kemp beat back -- they won, and it looks like they'll be in better shape. why can't other republicans look at it and say that's good politics, not intoed? >> i'm hoping that our peat will ultimately come back to that, it

maybe take a couple cycles, but people have to understand they're accountable. words matters, and when you support and endorse somebody who said that they will only honor results if they win, you are responsible and accountable for that. >> somebody who has been walking this line has been mitch mcconnell. on the one hand, i think you and him agree on some thing with trump -- >> in his mind she was committing a cardinal sin relinquishing. why, he wondered allows by continuing to condemning trump. just ignore him, like i do, is what he said. what is your response? >> obviously the idea we could simply ignore donald trump and the threat would go away is clearly wrong.

i think leader mcconnell and leader mccarthy have obviously taken slightly different approaches. mccarthy hand embraced him, mccarthy has ignore him, and thought we could go forward as a party. that's clearly not the case. my view from the beginning, one of to reject insurrection, we have to reject what he stands for. i don't think this is an issue about which you can make a political calculation. >> he had a chance to vote to convict donald trump. do you think -- how much of a mistake his decision not to vote to convict was? >> i think it was a mistake, i think it was the wrong decision. the fact that all the of the republicans who did not vote to convict -- some did, but not enough -- you know, we were in a situation i would have liked to have seen that trial take place immediately. i don't think the articles of impeachment should have been held.

i think there's a number of people responsible to that delay of that trial, and that was a mistake, and clearly this was an offense for which he should have been convicted. >> do you think less of mcconnell? >> he and i do not agree, and i would not like to characterize it beyond that. you think you are concerned about mccarthy's speakership. >> look, the speaker is second in line to the presidency. at every moment since frankly the aftermath of the election in 2020 when minority leader mccarthy has had the opportunity to do the right thing, he always serves his accomplice cat purpose. such as the aid to ukraine, the idea that the party who will no longer support of ukraine want people. for somebody who has the picture of ronald reagan on his wall in congress, the fact he will make the leader of the pro-putin wing of my party is a stunning thing. the fact he's willing to go down

the path suggesting that some eric will no longer stand for freedom, i think tells you he's willing to sacrifice everything. >> do you think this is a game, or it's an isolational streak that's actually taking hold? >> we certainly have isolationists, also in the democratic party as well. but leaders have to lead. when a late leader is suggesting that somehow the american people will not support the fight for freedom, which is the front lines for freedom happening in

ukraine right now, and the notion he would be willing to embrace that, to enable it, tells you he's not fit for the office. >> we have iran now on the ground in ukraine helping the russians. at the same time, iran sits on opec. our supposed ally saudi arabia, who doesn't like iran, is sitting here making decisions that essentially are helping the russians, helping the iranians, hurting the west. what kind of -- what should our foreign policy be to saudi arabia right now, consider the current circumstances? >> look, first of all, we ought to absolutely and clearly walk away from the negotiating table with the iranians. the notion that the iranians are

now providing these drones to the russians to use in ukraine, if nothing else, has convinced us to walk away from the table, that should. also, the russians are having a hard time replenishing the supplies. the sanctions are working. we ought to do more with sanctioning against iran, but across the board, i think there's too many people around the world who no longer think they can count on the united states, no longer think they can trust us, that they'll stand with our friends and ensure we're standing against other adversaries. >> the middle east, though, looks problematic from -- some of our closest allies are kind of neutral in this war. israel has been son of neutral,

kind of helping late, obviously saudi arabia. how much of a problem do you view this? >> it's a big prone, and it's a problem of leadership. we had need to be doing more faster. when kevin mccarthy suggests the republicans are not going to support aid to ukraine, that is incredibly damaging to america's standing in the world, damaging to the efforts that the ukrainians are in, we have to be a leader in the world. we're not going to go back to the days of isolationism, which has been a threat ever since of end of world war ii. >> at the other side of the break we'll go deep into the january 6th investigation. for four years you were publicly supportive of the trump administration, you were never a big fan, and but you voted with him 93% of the time. do you look back at any moment, boy, may i should have spoke out sooner? >> at the time, i was confronting him on the policies when i disagreed. they tended to be mostly national security policies. i'm a conservative.

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welcome back. on friday donald trump was officially subpoenaed by the january 6th committee, ordered to turn over documents and he's ordered to appear before the panel by november 14th. all this came just hours after steve bannon was sentenced to four months in prison for contempt of congress, for disobeying a similar subpoena. the sentence was stayed pending appeal. the congresswoman is back. you've got as to start with steve bannon first. you both successfully showed that your subpoenas were enforceable and will serve time.

>> steve bannon is a number of individuals who clearly have something to hide. he actually, as you've seen, was convicted of contempt, and sentenced to prison. others have come in front of committee and taken the fifth, and i think it lead the american people to ask, what is it that all these people are attempting to high? >> you issued the subpoena. i assume you'll let it play out. what happens on november 5th if you don't have materials. >> we are anticipating that the former president will understand hi legal obligation and comply with the subpoena. we made it clear, if he intends to take the fifth, he all to alert us ahead of time. i would also encourage everything to read the letter that accompanies the subpoena. understanding what a grave and

serious situation this is, the committee took great -- made a great effort to lay out in the letter itself the specific information we have gathered in donald trump's role in this plan to overturn the election. >> is the committee open to his supposed offer, or at least behind the scenes off of going live on television? >> the committee treats this matter with great seriousness. we are going to proceed, in terms of the questioning of the former president under oath. it make take multiple days, and it will be done with a level of rigor, discipline and seriousness it deserves.

we are not going to allow the former president to turn this into a circus. this isn't going to be his first debate against joe biden and the circus that became. this is far too set of issues. we have made clear exactly what his obligations are, and we proceeding with that set out. >> if you don't get cooperation from him, do you have time for this legal fight? >> we have many alternatives we will consider if the former president decides he is not going to comply with his legal obligation, a legal obligation every american citizen has to comply with a subpoena. >> there was news from a judge this week on what e-mails from john eastman need to be turned over.

some would and you have you've made a circumstantial case, but this maybe be something he signed something that he knowingly was false. >> what we have laid out in a number of instances includes the extent to which the many himself, the people in the room, his most senior officials talking about his personal and direct involvement. we know, for example, from his own actions and his own inactions what hey failed to do while the attack was underway. it appears from judge carters's latest decision that the president himself signed information that he knew to be false and submit that had to a federal court. i think it's one more piece we have seen of a president who fundamentally does not believe he has an obligation to abide by the law or abide by the rulings of the courts and demonstrates how serious it is. >> i'm not asking to influence any attorney. what crime do you believe he committed? >> i believe there are multiple

criminal offenses. i don't want to get in front of the committee, but that we are looking at. i think it's important for everybody to recognize, when you are faced with a set of facts, with evidence as clear as this is -- some have said, well, we don't know what his intent was. maybe he really thought he won the election. we actually know that that's not the case. but even if -- even if he thought he had won, you may not send an armed mob to the capitol. you may not sit for 187 minutes and refuse to stop the attack while it's underway, you may not send out a tweet that incites further violence. we have been clear about a number of different criminal issues that are at issue here. in the department of just determines has the evidence and they make a decision not to prosecutor, i think that calls into question whether or not

we're a nation of laws. >> they have a lot of issues they're dealing with that may be criminal when it comes to the former president. if they make the decision to charge him on the mar-a-lago classified document situation, because perhaps it's an easier case and prosecutor and they don't choose to go down this road, do you find that to be a mistake? >> i have confidence in the professionals in the department of justice that they are taking seriously their obligations with respect to every aspect of the potential criminal conduct by the former president. let's just have the american people pause on that. we're talking about multiple instances of criminal conduct. >> separate criminal investigations in the justice department. >> right. >> i'm cure with you about something in history that may

have mistakenly guided our views of history, gerald ford's pardon of nixon. if nixon this niced prosecution, do you think the country would be more open to dealing with trump in the same way. >> president ford promised president nixon after president nixon had resigned from office and left. i think it was the right decision to make. president trump continuing to glorify the people who attacked the capitol. he continue to say the things he knows caused violence. >> richard nixon never admitted culpability, though gerald ford insisted -- >> he resigned from office, but look, we've never in history had a president do what donald trump did and frankly continues to do. we have to take that seriously. >> you, among politicians, have you had a unique experience. you were extraordinarily demonized by the left. >> i don't remember that time,

chuck. [ laughter ] >> what has that experience been like for you? >> look, i think that we have to deal with sort of the facts that are in front of us. my view is the job that i have to do right now and that i have had to, especially as soon as january 6th, is so important that really is my focus. i think that we have seen across the country, certainly seen on our committee coming together people despite partisan differences, to say the most important issue is the defense of the republic. i've been extremely disappointed and very sad by the response to

the vast majority of my colleagues on the republican side. i truly believe, you know, when the chips were down, people would do the right thing. it turns out not many do. >> you have said you will do whatever it take to prevent donald trump from getting back to the offensively office. >> there's very few certainties in politics, but one thing you can absolutely count on is that there are tens of millions of americans who will do everything we need to do to make sure donald trump is never the president again. the threat he poses is too great. he's demonstrated his

willingness to use force to attempt to stop the peaceful transition of power, and there are simply millions more americans who, despite any party affiliation, understand how dangerous those, and will make sure he's never in the orlando -- oval office again. >> >> how do you bring a country back together. ? we see this division, seal it in our own polls. it see very difficult. how would you try to bridge in divide? >> i experience a unity every day, as i travel around the country, as i work with colleagues on capitol hill. there are responsible and rational and sane people in both parties who want what's best for our country and who want to election politicians who are going to do the right thing, who want to see elected officials engage on the basis of substance and policy difference. not minimize the differences, but engage on the basis of that.

so i've been have i heartened by the unity i have seen. so many people who understand we have to say stop, we cannot go over this abyss. >> donald trump ends up the nom near in 2024, you've said you won't be a republican anymore, so it implies you think the party can be saved. >> i think the party has to come back from where we are right now, which is a dangerous and toxic place, or the party will splinter and there will be a new conservative party that rises. if donald trump is the nominee of the republican party, the party will shatter, and there will be a conservative party that rises in its place. >> i was with a voter group this week who both were exhausted by the january 6th committee, and wanted to see you in for president. what would it take for you to run for president? >> i'm going to be focused on all the things we've been talking about. i care deeply, as i know you do, as millions of people do about this nation and about the blessing we have an a constitutional republic. whether that means helping other candidates, helping to educate people around the country, you've been on a number of college campuses, very inspired by the young people, but i'm

focused on what we have to do to save the country from this very dangerous moment we're in, not right now on whether i'm going to be a candidate or not. >> some people suggest if he would be a third-party candidate it will by enough to stop trump. >> we'll so whatever it takes. he will not be president of the united states kben. again. this investigation has an expiration date if republicans take control. there's no report out before the election. i know you, on the one hand, want to take politician out. should the decision to continue this investigation should be on the ballot? >> i think it's important to take politics out of it. the committee is investigating in a way that's not partisan at all. i think as people go in to vote, they need to recognize there are certain candidates who are anti-democrat city. they need to recognize there are election deniers and they should not vote for those people. where does this investigation go? >> if we were in politics the

way it should, it would proceed. i think republicans are not interested in holding people to account, and i think that's something that americans are paying attention to. why would you not want to understand how this happened? >> congresswoman cheney, i still have questions, but i'm out of time. >> thank you for all the time. >> stay safe on the trail. >> thank you very much. before we go to break. yamiche alcindo took a deep dive. >> schmidt was targeted for not echos the maga conspiracy theory that the election was being stolen, and for not question the integrity of the vote count.

>> well, i was a republican before donald trump was a republican. it's important that we stand up against these lie lies, and that we not surrender the republican party. >> you can watch 9 full episodes available wherever you get nbc news. when we come back, the midterm momentum shifted. our panel is here to discuss whether it will shift again. to get pregnant in the future. find it yourself in the family planning aisle no prescription, no id. i've got this. ♪♪

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we are back with the panel. kristin welker, and ashley parker, senior national political correspondent for "the washington post." cornell, and danielle -- all right. let's start mid terms. i want to start with joe biden, in his own way acknowledging the shift in momentum. >> i think that we're going to see one more shift back to our side in the closing days. let me tell you why. we're starting to see some of the good news on the economy.

>> ah, there it is. they're looking for the good news on the economy. again, kristin, they seem to acknowledge that things turned against them. >> they have acknowledged that, and a lot of democrats think the president is being overly optimistic. what is he trying to do to shift things back. he's trying to put the spotlight on roe, almost trying to turn back the clock, remember the outrage you felt on the day it was overturned. because there's a sense that the outrage is baked into the cake, and with voters largely issued on things lie threats to the economy, and he had the announcement about the release of the strategic reserve. it allows him to show, though, that he's working on this problem. i think to send a message to democrats more broadly we can't just be talking about abortion,

and also crime, chuck, which has been a very big issue. >> i have to put up another quote from nancy pelosi from the beginning of this week. we'll have to message is better. i think we're in great shape. other people don't want to believe that. she was talking about the economy. what are you messaging better? >> this has been the challenge bedevilling the administration. we reported today there was a big debate in the administration how they should take about it. some people argued to not address inflation, at least early on head a. he may have been calling it transitory, of course it was not, and they wanted to focus on

the good economic indicators like the low unemployment rate. there are those, but at the end of the day the numbers that voters feel is key, is the inflation regardless of all these positive indicators, when you drive to work or drive your kid to a soccer game, each sign at a gas station is a billboard. it's not something they've been able to figure out this entire year. >> dhani, it just feels like the mid terms look like traditional mid terms. there's always the but-for, but everything else looks traditional. >> i cannot wait. no, look, all elections are traditional elections in the sense that most of the base votes for the guy they were going to vote for in the first place.

i think what's different in this instance is we do have these overhang issue, we have the question of donald trump and his insanity, we have this unbelievable, as ashley said, inflation that a lot of us haven't experienced. i just went to giant -- our supermarket -- i couldn't believe how fast i got to 100 bucks. it was nothing i bought. before they feel outrage about abortion or democracy, they feel that. >> i think the housing crash is have a big impact. cornell, i guess the big question is, if this is a more competitive election, that will mean the democratic coalition turned out. >> i think broadly, a lot of you are all wrong, eye specially you. >> always. >> we may find out in 16 days or

25,000 years, however long it takes to count the ballots. i don't know if we're actually shifting momentum in our narrative. what was the nbc news generic democratic support in october of 2018? it was 48%. right now it's 47%. shift? i don't know. right now, and nbc polls show we have enthusiasm like we've never seen before, and what we already know, we have more people early voting than in 2020. this will not be a regular midterm election by any chance. >> the thing about our poll that struck me is how familiar it looked. it looked like the have a is a exit poll, rural versus the suburban. suburban was good, rural was through the roof. >> but you need more people. where we've been losing

population since 2010 is rural voters as jay-z would see, you need more people the top lines -- we don't know what the university of voters will be. >> the fact, one thing i pointed out is that african americans were not at the same leave of interest. the barack obama schedule is about to get busy, isn't it? >> it's about to get busy. he's going to be in georgia, raising money, milwaukee, las vegas. >> where is philadelphia on here? i assume he's going can be. >> well, we'll have to see. that race, for obvious reasons, they're become very careful about who they invite. i think it's worth noting we're seeing a lots of president obama, not the occurrence president, and he's sort of breaking with the past. he's versus the issue-focused

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♪♪ welcome back. data download time. a bit more from our important nbc news poll. when you look at the most important issues, a picture emerges of just two sets of voters, in two americas. there's really only one issue both parties agree on. it may be the most polarizing. among democrats, the number one issue is threats to democracy, abortion rights second, cost of living third, climate change fourths, and abortion rights is what you see more in advertising than threats to democracy. among republicans, jobs and economic is one. immigration and border, which you're seeing more in advertising, cost of living is really only the issue in the top four for both parties. will the other party's agenda will destroy america? >> 81% of democrats believer this about republicans. 79% of republicans believe that about democrats. how about anyone bring the country together when both parties feel this way? i am a fighter and not a quitter. >> i am resigning as leader of

the conservative party. we are back. so, brexit and donald trump, dhani, both seem to have it all came about the west at the same time. i think we have to thanks our i am a fighter and not a quitter. >> i am resigning as leader of the conservative party. der of the conservative party

we are back. so, brexit and donald trump, dhani, both seem to have it all came about the west at the same time. i think we have to thanks our founders, because our system of government has prevented the chaos that the uk has gone through, but what are the similarities between the uk and here? >> well, i think much more than a crisis of democracy in the uk, what we see is a crisis of

conservative. this is the tory party. it's not just here, australia, all over europe and, of course, it's in the uk. you know, we're just seeing it all out in the open. it's like what burt used to see much watching democracy is like watching sausage being made? it's a particularly gross sausage in the uk. we don't even know who will be prime minister at the end of this week. god knows we don't know who will be prime minister next year. >> can i make a quick point? from what i know hanging out in the bar in london, there is a durable democracy. you know why? you can't imagine republicans forcing trump or forcing a leader out here in america. you cannot imagine that. why i think more durable is tories forced their people out. >> it's -- competent it's not a

freaking pez dispenser. [ laughter ] i'm an analogy woman today. >> kristin, you had, believe it or not, less than a week ago you interviewed herschel walker. i had to remind myself. >> we asked the question of mobile failures, would that drive you away from supporting that candidate. your party has a major moral failure. 63% of democrats, 67 of reps said they would still vote. 22% of democrats, 16% of republicans said they would probably skip the race, and just 4% and 6% would vote for the other party. >> that was very clear being on the ground in georgia, and i have to very the fact that herschel walker denies all these allegations that he paid for an

ex-girlfriend to have an abortion. it was notable, not only did he take a page from the trump playbook, very defiant in the face of these allegations. in this final stretch he almost feels emboldened, in part because of thor numbers, in part because he had a better showing in a debate, but i think the name recognition, some of that is baked in. but it's notable, this cuts to democrats, too. not just republicans. >> but at least they were honest. bill clinton got a pass from democrats. donald trump basically got a pass from republicans. why not herschel walker? >> what's so striking, right after the allegations broke, an operative said to me, i don't care if he performed the abortion himself, i'm still

voting for him, which again was quite honest. that said when you look at the rafael warnock campaign and some of the ads they are running, they're sony of betting, they can give some republicans, some independents a structure that i find this so abhorrent i'm going to vote for a democrat. >> take a look at this ad. >> announcer: things work surprisingly well together. >> pizza with pineapple. >> french fry and frost. >> rafael warnock and ted cruz? >> announcer: that is right, warnock partnered with ted crew to send i-14, connecting military units, to create jobs from columbus to macon to augusta. >> sometimes i wonder, is the benefits of that -- could it hurt you with any base voters who don't want to see you working with the other side at all? >> that's a good ad. two points here.

one, the broad swath of middle american voters, what we hear all the time. i want to see them work together, and please work together and accomplish something real. he's showing he's accomplished something real, so he's not above the partisan fray. >> you're talking about the difference in most of these elections. >> it's not a lot of people, but # is it -- >> last time a democrat won alabama? what happened? right? >> herschel walker? i have absolutely no idea. i mean, you were telling me before, it's impossible to know. there's no crystal ball. i think he has a good chance, and i don't think anybody cares about morality, perhaps it's worthy of a more than 30-second discussion, but the fact as a nation we don't care about this

anymore says something simply not about our system, but about our democracy as well. >> this is the question of -- i don't know how we true already i brought together. if the two parties think the other side is a threat to the nation, you know, the whole point of politics is to avoid violence. sometimes you wonder how we're going to do it. >> and that's what max the warnock ad so notable. you know, this attempt to almost bend over backwards to look like he can reach across the aisle. he was schedule if he supports president biden if he runs again. he wouldn't answer that. >> that's a politician. >> being on the ground in georgia, chuck, the voters didn't buy it, and didn't like it. so i think it's an authenticity as well. >> and there's a somewhat cynical calculation, not just one party, but you look at for instance, with former president

trump, you had republicans, evangelicals, hold their nose and vote for him. i don't like what he's lived his life, but i like what he'll do for the courts. that's how roe got overturned. that's a calculation to the morality that a lot of voters in both parties are willing to make. >> doesn't this bring about the worst type of candidates? it opens the door, why not? i can run. and we'll populate our offices with morally compromised individuals. >> and it's mapping all over the country. level set around biden. i worked for a guy who in 2010 didn't want him either, and 2006, a lot of folks didn't want george bush on the campaign trail i think you'll have more manufacturing jobs. i think his arc will have something to run on well in 2024. >> and if it's a republican congress, maybe something to run against.

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