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i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we have a new poll. and basically here's what it says. americans are ticked off and they're pointing fingers. it shows millions of voters who are frustrated, who are increasingly furious at folks in the other party, believing the other side's agenda could end america as we know it. right now president biden is preparing to speak at the dnc. he's one of the folks arguing that democracy is at stick next month. so, what's really motivating voters? is it anger or issues? or is it impossible to separate the two? if so, what does that mean for candidates's closing arguments? plus, a major townsment from merrick garland is moments away. it's not about trump, but they say it involves a foreign nation trying to spread its influence here in the u.s. we will have that as soon as it starts.

finally, anyone with kids in school, knows the pandemic was absolutely brutal. but new nationwide test scores show the impact is even worse than the experts feared. one called the drop in math and reading scores, quote, stark and troubling. another said it's an urgent wakeup call. but to do what? let's start with the midterms. and the stunning mix of fear, anger, and distrust that's driving voters. the issues that are top of mind are basically the same we have been talking about for months now p. people are worried about the economy, democracy, abortion, crime. but more than ever before, they believe the other party is to blame. roughly 80% of democrats and republicans say the other side is hell bent on destroying america. perhaps not surprising when you hear this. >> this is madness. what's happening to our country is madness. if you support the decline and fall of america, then vote for

the radical left democrats. if you want our country to fail, vote democrat. >> democracy on the ballot, we want it to be strong. the planet on the ballot, we want it to be safe. our values on the ballot, we want them to be respected, and we fully intend to win. post election day, how many races will be contested, ly jit matly or otherwise. >> -- legitimately or otherwise. >> if you were to lose, you had all your appeals, they went through. >> as long as it's fair, honest. >> if it's certified. who is going to determine that? >> my opponent might have to determine that. that's an interesting conundrum, isn't it?

>> elise jordan is an msnbc political analyst, former aide for george w. bush. matthew dowd is country over party and msnbc contributor. i want to dig into a poll. we know many voters will be casting ballots with anger on their minds. we don't know which side will be angrier. how did that come through on this poll. . >> you can see it take you through the numbers. this is the bottom line number here. this is the generic ballot. republicans with a one-point advantage among likely voters. take a look inside. this is what you're getting at here. we asked this question here. do you consider that the other parties's agenda, if left unchecked, would destroy the country? among democrats, 81% have that view about republicans, among

republicans basically identical. 79% from that view. you talk about what is motivated, what is driving voters in either party in this election. it is a lot of negative energy about the other party. a lot of fear about the other party. a lot of reaction to the other party. the other thing that's interesting that goes hand in hand with that is, well, which side is more motivated by that phenomenon. and this is an interesting finding here, too. this gets to basically asking voters to rate how interested they are in the midterm elections, potentially how likely they are to vote. two things jump out here. overall, 7 out of 10 voters put themselves in the highest category basically of interest in this election. we have never had a number that high at this point in the midterm election cycle. notice there is a difference between the two parties. these numbers are enormous historically speaking for both parties. almost 8 in 10 republicans who put themselves in the highest

interest category. it's about 7 in 10 democrats. there is a gap there. a gap of nine points between the two parties. that is a change from over the summer. over the summer we were talking about having surprising political momentum. some of it coming in the wake of the supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade. the prominence of donald trump. over the summer, this is what the enthusiasm numbers were looking like. it was a two-point gap. it was a three-point gap. democrats had erased the gap. now the gap is back. we're 15 days in front of the election. it's a nine-point advantage on enthusiasm for republicans. again, there's a lot of volatility here in terms of trying to figure out who is going to turn out. this could offer you a powerful potential clue right here. republicans have a number. republicans will be happier with the numbers than democrats are with their number.

they expect the economy to get worse the next 12 months. a cloud of pessimism. when you are the out of power party, that is to your benefit. . >> i was going to say at the beginning of a 16-day stretch we could only hope it would be a 16-day stretch. we'll see you a lot in the coming weeks. matthew, i guess the number that struck me was how much -- we knew there was a huge chasm. they think it's the end of the world if the other side gets elected. have we ever seen anything this angry.

>> i mean, i think it's not really. it's a sign of not really about issues per se. it's about the values of the country and the culture of the country. the democrats on one side said we're supportive of a multicultural, multiracial diverse democracy. and the republicans on the other side fear a multicultural, multiethnic democracy and want to go back in many ways to what they thought it was before 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. >> this is the culmination of a cultural battle that has been brewing in america that's now seemed to bubble over in this election. we saw it in donald trump. we saw it in 2018. but we're in an election that is anybody's guess how it will turn out. it's a huge, huge cultural battle. >> yeah. the volatility is unbelievable. you went, elise, to

pennsylvania. it's always a fascinating state, right? when i looked at some of the conversations that you were having, what really struck me, people aren't just disagreeing. we talked about that chasm. it's like they are in two totally different versions of reality. >> chris, it's disturbing that we don't have any, you know, collective sense of facts that we all can agree on. just the very basic sliver. you've interviewed so many voters over the years and have experienced the anger that voters have had a lot certain elections. the numbers will be surprised just to quantify the anger that trump voters have of president biden. i did so many focus groups during the trump years. i heard democrats ex possess their disgust with president trump, which we know was very, very high. i would say it's equal to that, if not even a little bit higher. trump voters are very fed up with joe biden and what they

perceive as democrats who are running the country into the ground. and so we talked to them about a host of issues and here if we're going to talk about not having a shared reality, let's listen to our trump voters in pittsburgh about january 6th. doug mastriana was photographed breaching one of the restricted areas. which area? because i saw video where capitol officers were taking away barriers and unlocking doors to people. >> they opened the gates. >> so it shouldn't be disqualifying for an elected official -- >> no. >> he didn't strike anybody. he didn't hurt anybody. . >> the only one that died was a protester there, not a capitol police officer. >> unarmed female protester. >> a police officer did die of

stroke. >> that's because he shouldn't have been a police officer. it was one woman >> what do you make overall of january 6th. watching that footage was pretty disturbing. there were people throwing excrement at the walls. it's the capitol. . >> approximate it looked like antifa. >> except on a much smaller scale it looked lying black lives matter. >> that's what i saw. >> it burns. >> it's okay because -- >> if it's good for one it's good the other. >> anybody who harmed anybody, anybody who caused property stkrubgsz, that needs to be dealt with. but making your voice heard at the people's house, no less, it's again a fundamental constitutional right of an american citizen. and people should not be held political prisoner because of it. >> that's east germany tactics. >> yeah. that's what's scary.

>> it was a mostly peaceful process. >> was the protest legitimate in your eyes because -- >> the administration, i feel, is using them as their rcichstag. >> one of the men said what's good for one is good for the other. when you have both sides about 80% thinking the other side is hell bent on destroying america, what's to keep people from, no matter what, and we heard a little bit of this from carrie lake, even before the results are in, questioning the results. >> i think the change is that more americans than ever -- it's not just polarization. they see the other side as the enemy, as a political enemy, opponent to be crushed. it's not just going up against another side.

now, we really look at it almost as warfare. that was kind of the language that you're hearing the political matchups described in. and i don't have any good answers about how we actually come together again. but at least we need to talk to each other and listen to each other. that is so upsetting sometimes to hear police officers and their death talked about in such a callous way. we need to know that a significant portion of republican voters believe that it was not a free and fair election. this is going to influence the fate of our democracy. >> i get to the point, matthew, what we will see the next couple of weeks. knowing that, what do you think is the actual number of undecided voters in any given close race, and then how do you take that reality? because the reality isn't necessarily what they're saying, right? it's the reality that's what

they believe. you're never going to change their minds. how do you take that and figure out messaging in a tight race in these closing days? >> well, to me, this election is going to be decided by 2% of the vote, which is roughly when you look at it about 300,000 voters total will decide the house of representatives, the united states senate and key statewide races. we're going to have 100 races in this country decided by less than a percentage of it. to me at this point in time there's very little persuadable voters. there are some in ohio and wisconsin that you can do, a small percentage that you can still persuade and what do you do to motivate the voters. to me at this point in time that focus group and everything in this election shows we are on a night's edge on of our democracy. because if we don't have any common set of facts, especially among the people that are a majority of the republican party and have no ability to get to the common good as you heard in that discussion, no desire to

get to the common good, our democracy is in serious, serious jeopardy. and it's going to be decided by a couple hundred thousand voters. >> math through, thank you. elise, informative panel. thank you for that. to the extent that it motive ates voters next month, they have kept it in the headlines. they're not done yet. now that he has been subpoenaed, vice chair liz cheney is eager to hear from donald trump and won't rule out taking his testimony live on tv if they can keep it under control. >> the committee treats this matter with great seriousness. and we are going to proceed in terms of the questioning of the former president under oath. it may take multiple days. and it will be done with a level of rigor and discipline and seriousness that it deserves. we're not going to allow the former president -- he's not

going to turn this into a circus. >> we will bring in ryan nobles. good to see you. so, do we know if the committee has heard back from trump's people. >> reporter: no, we don't yet, chris. he has retained a law firm in his feelings on this specific issue. as of friday, the attorney told nbc news they had yet to receive any formal communication from the january 6th select committee. and the committee has not said whether they have served trump with that subpoena. once it take place and it's expected to just be a formality at this point, it will then begin a negotiation between trump's attorney and the committee to try and find someplace if there are both sides where people feel comfortable with trump coming before the committee and testifying for what liz cheney could be multiple days and hours. we have seen committees in the past be willing to negotiate with these witnesses to find a place where they're comfortable coming before the committee. but at the same time they want

to do it on their terms. and house speaker nancy pelosi is keeping a close eye on deliberations. she's predicted the former president will not appear before the committee. listen to what she had to say. >> i don't think he's man enough to show up. i don't think his lawyers will want him to show up because he has to testify under oath. but i don't think he'll show up. i don't think he's man enough. we'll see. >> reporter: and the speaker's thoughts track with conventional wisdom. very few people actually believe that donald trump will sit and answer questions. but the committee believes that it's important to get this on the record, that they asked him to participate and get his side of things whether or not it ultimately happens, chris, still an open question. and of course time is running out. this committee likely won't exist if republicans are successful in the november midterm elections. >> ryan nobles, a veterans of

capitol hill but new to our msnbc viewers. we're so glad to have you on "chris jansing reports" for your first time on msnbc. welcome to the team. we really are so pleased and happy to have you with us. >> reporter: well, chris, you and i both veterans of albany, new york tv. it's a thrill to be on with you as well and the nbc team. >> upstate new york rules. good to see you. next monday, be sure to listen to all six newest original podcast "the revolution with steve car knacky." you can scan the qr code to follow now. breaking news on another subpoena. justice clarence thomas granting a request from senator lindsey graham that temporarily blocks an order from his testimony in atlanta. that testimony is connected to the fulton county d. a's investigation.

graham's testimony is now on hold while the full court raises its request to cancel the subpoena. two big events we're monitoring at this moment. democrats try to motivate voters ahead of midterms. and what the doj says is a big announcement on significant national security cases. we're going to go live to both of those when they happen. jury selection begins in the trump organization's tax fraud trial. could there be legal ramifications for the former president even though he is not on trial. we're taking the stand here. and troubling new report card for the nation. the pandemic tanking children's test scores. can schools turn it around? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ansing reports" only on msnbc can now precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence.

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today the trial over charges of financial misdeeds by former president trump's family business is under way with jury selection. trump himself is not charged. but his company engaged in a tax fraud scheme by giving top executives perks like apartments and company cars off the books, which allowed them to avoid taxes on millions of dollars in income. the star witness for the prosecution will be the company's former chief financial officer, alan weisselberg, who pleaded guilty in a related case two months ago. tom winter is at the courthouse. and carol lam, nbc news legal

analyst and former prosecutor. he is not on trial or even expected to testify. so give us the important background on this case and how it fits into the broader picture. >> right. essentially, if it works out the way that alan weisselberg structured it and he is not going to cooperate against the former president himself, the only time we will hear trump is when they mention his company. it is not expected we will hear from him. alan weisselberg, somebody who was involved with the very books that they allege were being mishandled, mismanaged and taxes that weren't being paid, as you laid out, he's testifying against the place that he was working at when all this went on. so it's a very unusual circumstance. it's going to be difficult for people to cross-examine him at

this point because it would only elicit more damaging testimony about those in the trump organization. but, look, chris, in the grand scheme of things, the scope of the type of legal challenges that the former president faces, this might be a little bit more down on the list because it is so focused on weisselberg and the maximum penalty is shy of $1.6 million in fines. there's nothing other new york state law that says the trump organization would be dissolved if they were convicted. >> having said that, carol, talk a little bit about weisselberg. on the one hand, he knows anything. probably nothing financially that went through the company that he didn't know that. he's been someone very loyal to donald trump and his family. what do you make of him as a witness? >> well, there's not a lot of wiggle room right now for alan weisselberg. he's already testified in front of the grand jury.

he's already pled guilty. the new york prosecutors have a ton of documents that sort of nail him into exactly what he did. so there's not a lot of wiggle room for him. and a bunch of unusual things about this prosecution. one is that usually because an individual defendant faces going to fail as weisselberg is likely to do, they usually fight harder than the corporations and usually the ones to go to trial are the individual defendants not the corporations. here they have the reverse where he has pled guilty and yet the corporations are going to trial and alan wise el burg was the cfo. the other unusual thing is there are reports that weisselberg met with counsel. very unusual. it's hard to know what went on behind closed doors. but it's very unusual for the prosecution to agree that the

defendant and the cooperator can talk to defense counsel when they have agreed to cooperate with the government. this is a carefully choreographed appearance by weisselberg. we are not going to see a lot of surprises here, a lot of aha moments on cross-examination. >> when you talk, though, about it being carefully choreographed, could this trial potentially serve as a fact-finding mission for any future case against trump or more directly the trump organization or trump family or do you think this is a one off? >> well, remember that letitia james has a large, large civil lawsuit, not criminal but civil lawsuit against the trump organization. and the trump individuals as well. and so she could take a lot of the testimony under oath here and use that potentially in her civil case. now, she knows a lot about what

is going on because she has prosecutors working with the d.a. on this very case. again, what happens under oath at trial is sometimes a little bit different from what you've heard before. yes, there are ramifications. and there are also ramifications for other jurisdictions. they will hear many for the first time, testimony under oath, that is going to be testimony that they could potentially use in their own cases against the trump organization or potentially the former president. >> so, carol, stay with me because i want to talk about another high profile trial in los angeles where one of hollywood's most were powerful players is facing a sentence that could put him in jail for the rest of his life. opening arguments have begun in the second sexual assault trial of harvey weinstein who faces 11 charges, including rape and sexual battery. of course he pled not guilty. weinstein was convicted on similar charges in new york two years ago. but then he's been granted an appeal on that conviction.

so this trial becomes all the more important. among the expected witnesses, the governor's wife and actor mel gibson. both for the prosecution. so, carol, we've got 80 witnesses potentially here, including those high-profile ones expecting to take the stand. some of the charges date back to 2004. give us the 30,000 foot overview of what both sides are facing here. >> yeah. so we are looking a the a long trial. people often put prosecutors, defense attorneys often put a lot of witnesses on the witness list so they are not precluded from calling them. they unend up not kaulgt -- they ended up not calling the witnesses. in this case the l.a. prosecutors included a large number of women, large -- that is five women in the same

indictment. so partly what happened in new york that raised a lot of issues is that the judge let in some testimony from people who claim to have been assaulted, who were not actually named wilms in that indictment. and then that raises a question about whether some of that testimony was unfairly prejudicial to harvey weinstein. but here, all of those women are actually named as victims in this indictment. and so it is going to be permissible to hear from all of those women. and i think that's going to perhaps make a difference in this case. . >> in your experience, how does a high profile witness play with the jury, especially someone who might be familiar to them, seeing them on tv or in movies like the governor's wife or mel gibson? >> well, the thing about courtrooms is they are an evening sort of situation. although perhaps there is a moment or two of excitement when a recognizable public figure

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president biden at democratic national committee headquarters. he just said this is a choice between two vastly different positions in america. >> -- after having made $40 billion, leaving the burdens to teachers, firefighters, working folks to pay more of their fair share to keep things going. we, the democrats, are the ones that are fiscally responsible. let's get that straight now, okay. we're investing in all of

america. reducing everyday costs while lowering the deficit at the same time. republicans are fiscally reckless, pushing tax cuts for the wealthy and exploiting a deficit that is making inflation worse. look, folks, democrats are going to predict social security and medicare. republicans have been very clear, they have stated boldly they want to cut social security and medicare. and to the point that they'll shut down the government, they say, and send the nation into default, which raises the price for everyone if we do not cut social security and medicare. i ain't going to do it. [ applause ]. we're going to protect -- [ applause ]. democrats are going to protect the fundamental rights and freedoms like the right to choose, the right to privacy, the right to vote. our very democracy. republicans have introduced

legislation that will ban abortion. at the same time republicans are threatening to take away to marry the person you love. you don't need to imagine anything this time around. look at what they're saying. they are saying it out loud for everyone to hear. let's go back and see what we inherited from trump and the maga republicans when we won the election when we came to office. we inherited a nation in crisis, the pandemic with no end, an economy on the brink. a national debt that they increased in their short time by $8 trillion. and because of the inaction and incompetence of covid running and ruining american lives, look at how far we've come. 20 months ago, covid rules our lives. today infections are down 80% from when we took office. deaths are down 90%. and we did it together. one of the biggest health

efforts ever undertaken to the united states of america. we went from 2 million to 633 million shots administered in people's arms. [ applause ]. and something that's going unnoticed, but i'm going to keep reminding people, republicans in congress are still preventing funding we need to stay vigilant ahead of the next virus. we're not going to relent. we haven't relented. we won't do it. together we carried out one of the biggest public health efforts in the history of this country. 20 months ago, the economy was in ruins. trump is the first president since herbert hoover, it's a fact, since herbert hoover to lose jobs over the course of his presidency. fewer jobs when he left than when he came to office. we created, with your help, 10 million new jobs so far. [ applause ].

when trump and the republicans left office, unemployment was 6.4%. we got it down to 3.5%. a 50-year low. [ applause ]. on his watch, literally hundreds of thousands of small businesses were closing. they make up 50% of the economy, these small businesses. today we have the highest number of people applying to start small businesses than ever during an economic recovery ever, ever, ever. [ applause ]. and y'all know i was determined, with your help, to bring back manufacturing back to the united states instead of companies going overseas for cheaper labor. on trump's watch, american manufacturing was headline lowed out. made in america isn't just a slogan. it's a reality. it's a reality. [ applause ].

700,000 manufacturing jobs. advanced technologies. for companies like ibm and intel investing billions of to build a future here in america. later this week, i'm going up to syracuse, new york where i went to graduate school, where my deceased wife was from. we are going to build semiconductors. the biggest investment of its kind in our history. [ applause ]. >> we passed the most comprehensive infrastructure spweul since eisenhower. roads, bridges, ports, airports, clean water, high-speed internet to every american. and we're just getting started. you know, we had infrastructure week. and it kept happening, happening, nothing happening. now we have infrastructure decade.

we've got enough money to do us for a decade. we're going to create tens of thousands of job making our companies competitive worldwide. we know a lot of folks are struggling with inflation. driven by putin's war in ukraine and the global pandemic. it's a little solace, but we have a lower inflation rate than almost any other nation in the world. that's why i'm determined to reduce the burden i'm working in middle-class folks, by bringing down the cost on evident things they have to work their families through. it's not just food and energy, which is critical. we brought down the cost of energy. but prescription drugs, health care costs and so much more. we finally did something with these things. even without even a single solitary republican vote. not one. not one. after decades of trying, we finally gave medicare the power to negotiate for lower drug prices. [ applause ].

>> i want to bring in monica alaba at the white house as the president continues to talk to members of the democratic national committee. you know, our polls show today, as you know, monica, americans aren't happy with where things are now. they are worried about where things are going. the president, and his vision for the midterms, believe the democrats do have a message they can run on. tell me what the strategy is here. >> reporter: yeah. this was a distillation, chris, of what the president and this white house view as the major accomplishments when it comes to legislative victories the last few months. we saw a bunch of different events highlighting some of those things. this was the president trying to package them altogether as a sort of closing argument. but it's notable where he's doing this. it is a pep talk to staff at dnc headquarters. it is a version that maybe he would be giving at a larger campaign rally. instead, they have been far more

selective about where the president is appearing. they've wanted to focus on these more official events when it can comes to manufacturing, infrastructure, lowering the price of some health care items, and drug costs. but the president trying to put that all together to talk about why he thinks democrats could have an edge even though your recent polling, our own just showed when it comes to voter enthusiasm, gop voters actually right now have that edge. so the president trying to ta you can about this and rally people with just 15 days to go in the midterm elections. thursday he will go to new york to talk about manufacturing before heading to pennsylvania friday with the vice president to deliver this closing argument once again, chris >> monica, thank you so much for that. as candidates are pushing out their own individual final midterm messages, some democrats are left asking about cash. what about us? in iowa, democrat michael franken is, as the "washington

post" puts it, within striking distance of incumbent republican chuck grassley. nobody expected that. with little party investment, it might be a blessing in disguise. because this is what the "post" wrote. some iowa democrats point to franken's freedom to run the race he wants. untethered to expectations and directives from the national party and outside consultants. similarly, democrat tim ryan out in ohio says he's come to terms with the fact that we're probably not going to get any help. i'm playing with the team we've got on the field. i want to bring in david pepper, former chairman of the ohio democratic party. you have said this yourself. ryan is fighting as effectively as anybody can with that national money. it could be the country's unlikeliest senate battleground. they point out that ryan is awfully running with a silent d. would party money have made that a big d, less silent and maybe

hurt him? what do you think? >> you know, i don't think so. tim is who he is. people in ohio know that. when you see the other side putting in tens of millions, mitch mcconnell, tens of millions. trump's pac, tens of millions, evening it out helps. tim would still be on message saying who he is. he's running an amazing campaign. j.d. vance is just a terrible candidate. if you told mitch mcconnell a year ago you would have to spend tens of millions to bail out ohio, it would have been a nightmare. >> so, are you frustrated by the lack of it? >> i mean, i'll just simply say it. this is a pattern. it's been happening for years. i think it's a mistake. here's an example, though. it's not just in tim ryan's race. we have an ohio supreme court race, where if we were to defeat one republican justice, we would have a majority democratic court

that could protect choice and potentially impact three or four congressional races in 24. the current legislature keeps gerrymandering illegally. some of us are begging and pleading to get anything. a national party has to compete anywhere. when you announce you are not going to certain states, it is a huge mistake and invites the other side to come in guns blazing. then your side walks away. long term, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. our candidates for supreme court justice are great either way. when one side is going all in and spending millions because they understand the stakes and the other side walks away, again, the polls today tim ryan is tied in this race. he is an amazing county. advance is a flawed candidate. they see a flawed candidate can

save them. a tied candidate can't get any help. it is a bad message long term for states like ohio and many others. you've got to play everywhere. do you don't play everywhere, the other side wins. you never know where your victories might be. look at kansas a few months ago. the right has gotten so extreme they lost kansas. if you don't compete, you don't know where your wins might be. my hope is it will help tim's campaign. go to forwardjustice.com to help us. these are races all within reach. but as tim is doing, we all have to find it within ourselves to help the larger powers that be won't do it. >> a big picture question. when you look at tim ryan, michael franken, they wouldn't have been expected. you have the sitting dccc chairman, who has just been moved by the cook political report from tossup to a lean

democrat. we're talking about sean patrick maloney's seat. how unsettled do you find voters to be, both in ohio and nationally, do you think these tight races really are? >> i think they're very tight. i can't speak to his race. i think he thats a different district than he did. >> sure. >> they're looking for authentic candidates. tim ryan is way overperforming the governor's race. because a lot of people voting for republican governor are also voting for tim ryan. why? tim is an authentic candidate. j.d. vance looks like a phony in so many different ways, whether it's parachuting in from california, starting a phony nonprofit he said was about opioids. especially at this time where politics looks so broken, people are looking for real people. that's the campaign tim is running. that is the long-term winning campaign will win in iowa and ohio. it's the kind of candidate we should be looking to support

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