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of arizonians. >> 740,000 ballots violated. >> it's gnaw true. the maricopa county board of supervisors put out a 98-page report. >> that is a fact. check your facts. >> not true. not remotely true. but the threat to democracy is real. and with two weeks until election day, we're already witnessing how that threat is becoming a reality. >> also tonight, you would think justice clarence thomas would stay out of any cases involving trump's big lie, given that he's ginnee's husband, but he's gotten involved again to help out one of trump's washington cronies. >> and republicans love to point the finger of blame about ifflation, but do they even have a plan? what would it mean for the u.s. economy if their plan was implemented? >> plus, if you want to be the republican nominee for president, apparently, you have to break a few laws. new reporting tonight on the migrant flights organized by ron

desantis. we begin tonight with the open unabashed rise of anti-semitism. over the weekend, a hate group hung a banner over a busy los angeles freeway in support of kanye west. who as of this evening has lost his agent and his lawyer after a bizarre dissent into anti-semitic hate on social media including declaring, death con three against jewish people. the group's sign said kanye is right about the jews and they added to the hate by flashing the one-armed nazi salute. and that would be bad enough. if this was just one isolated snebt, but of course, it's not. in pennsylvania, extremism and anti-semitism continue to dominate the governor's race where doug mastriano is running against the state's attorney general, josh shapiro, who is jewish. a senior adviser to mastriano recently tweeted that shapiro, is quote, at best a secular jew.

a bizarre comment reeking of anti-semitic undertones. mastriano has lashed out against his rival for going to jewish day schools and sending his kids to one. it echoed donald trump's long history with anti-semitic tropes, something we saw earlier this month when he posted that jews in the united states must get their act together and show more appreciation for the state of israel before it's too late. and there's arizona, where election denying cand democrat mark finchem routinely traffics in anti-semitic tropes including the now familiar right wing tack of invoking the name of billionaire george soros including in a tweet over the weekend defending the action of poll watchers in arizona. with just 15 days until the midterms we're seeing in real time that arizona is a microcosm for election lies, spawning voter suppression and intimidation. maricopa county elections

department confirmed two armed individuals in tactical gear and masks stood watch over a drop box in mesa, arizona, over the weekend. not intimidating at all. officials are warning about the prospect of things getting even worse, saying they're fielding voter intimidation complaints which as far as the maga crowd is concerned is very much the point. arizona officials are warning of more uninformed vigilantes and numerous reports of a growing army of self-proclaimed election observers, recruited by right-wing groups promoting the former president's big lie. they're abetted by election deniers like republican candidate for governor, kari lake, who despite arizona's 2020 election being the most scrutinized in the country, repeated election lies while refusing to commit to accepting the results of this year's election. >> why it is that you have not said or maybe you'll do it now,

you have not said that you will accept the certified results of this election even if you lose. this election. >> i will accept the results of this election if we have a fair, honest, and transparent election. absolutely 100%. >> if you were to lose, and you're ahead, but if you were to lose and you went out and had all of your appeals, they went through. >> as long as it's fair, honest, and transparent. >> also all but promised to do away with mail-in voting if elected and thefirmer news anchor is a leading maga republican warrior against the bogeyman of wokism, as evidenced by another one of her threats on sunday. >> i'm not going to be taking marcher orders from the nfl. i'm taking marching orders from the people of arizona. >> apparently, the not actually all that progressive nfl is a problem for lake. she doubled down on twitter, daring the nfl to pull the 2023 super bowl from glendale,

arizona, after she declares an invasion at the southern border. following some not unprecedented racist footsteps from an arizona republican, republican evan meacham ran for governor in 1986 on a pledge to rescind the state holiday honoring the reverend martin luther king jr. and did just that after being sworn in. in 1990, arizona faced a proposal to add the holiday back to the calendar days after a warning from the nfl about the fate of the 1993 super bowl set to be played in phoenix. so how did that go? >> by election day, the measure to celebrate martin luther king day state-wide, though it had been leading in the poll, was defeated. led by governor memem, and paul tagliabue said he would make good on his threat and make the nfl go elsewhere. >> was a very negative and divisive message in that vote

rejecting the holiday, and we didn't think it's appropriate to play the game in those circumstances. >> joining me now is maria teresa kumar, president and ceo of vote latino and political analyst matthew dowd, the chief strategist of the bush/chaina 2004 presidential campaign. it feels to me like the biggest retrenchments led by maga republicans have been in states that have actually progressed. arizona used to be an anti-king holiday state, then a john mccain conservative state, and now it's actually got two democratic united states senators. it's seen as becoming a bit more progressive. you're seeing texas, which demographically is changing. there's lots culturally going on in places like texas, nevada, they're fighting really hard to pull that backwards. georgia. and the things that these places have in common are lots of immigration. lots of brown people that are turning voting age who are u.s.

born and they're able to vote. and that feels like that's triggering a lot of this backlash. what do you think? >> that is exactly right. and that's one of the reasons why every single state you mentioned, voter latino has been working in for the last decade if not more. in arizona, we're expecting 80,000 young people to turn 18 by november's election. that is a state where joe biden won with less than 12,000 votes. and so when we talk about the vigilante that's happening, it's about demographics. in georgia, when you look at the african american community, the latino community, and the asian community, all of a sudden you're talking about a voting bloc that is vastly different from what georgia has historically been accustomed to. but that needs to adapt. and when we talk about what's happening now with the voting booth and the access to it, every single american, joy, should be absolutely angry that they're trying to change the rules and the middle of an election. that's why tonight, this is breaking news to you, joy, voter

latino along with the arizona alliance for retired americans has just filed a lawsuit against the clean elections usa. those vigilante photos you showed us are part of that cohort of individuals recruited by this extreme right wing clean elections usa, who is claiming they have to insure that there are clean elections, but what they're doing is intimidating voters. disproportionately older voters and individual people of color. so we can't stand -- we can't sit by. this is what's happening right now in our democracy, and the more that we say that it's business as usual, then all of a sudden we're allowing individuals of the far right extreme take essence of our democracy in a way that will not be able to pull back. it's almost like we're seeing this really very much a fight for the soul of our nation, whether we're talking about anti-semitism or anti-blackness, whether we're talk about whether a woman has agency over her boddo or whether people talk about immigration reform under

the guise of hate. we have to push back and say not on our watch. >> matthew, it does all go together, right? sort of the conspiracy theory that underlines fascism and that's always been that communistic jewish people have a conspiracy to bring in more black and brown people, and that those people are going to vote and they're going to overwhelm and replace white christians. like, this goes back to like the '50s and '60s, right, but now it does feel like it's accelerating. you think about a state like georgia where this is a woman, marjorie taylor greene, who traffics in blatant anti-semitism, qanon conspiracies. she's now telling people donald trump said she'll be his running mate. 100% i believe it, and the thing is that somebody like marjorie greene, to emerge at the same time that you have the first jewish and you have an african american united states senator in that state, it feels like those arecoincidental.

what do you think? >> i don't think any of this is coincidental. you mentioned the '50s and '60s, this harkens back to what was going on in the south with intimidations by sheriffs and deputy sheriffs because as african americans began to actually take their power and vote, they were then subject to all kinds of intimidation, but it goes further back. every time there's an influx of immigrants or the face of america begins to change, you look at every period of history where that happened, in the early 1900s, in the 1800s whether it's italians, irish, chinese, japanese, jews. every time that happens, there's a rise of this hate, and there's a pushback by the power structure in this. i think all of this is a sign, a reflection, that republicans and this white nationalist movement knows that america is a multi-cultural diverse country. all of this. and they know without these

things, they cannot win. and they're going to do this. this is an awful strategy in the short term. i mean, for us, all of us, it doesn't work in the long term because the change of america, but in the short term, that's their only play. they know if a majority of people vote and go to the polls, they can't win. so their goal, like it has been throughout our history, to keep anybody that isn't a white christian nationalist from holding power in this country. >> you know, and i mean, you go through state by state, mara teresa, cortez masto, the only latina in the united states senate. you think about josh shapiro, who is a jewish man who is running for the united states senate or running state-wide in pennsylvania. the targeting is direct. then when you see vigilantes, i don't know if we can put the picture back up. vigilantes standing outside drop boxes. who uses drop boxes? lower income voters, people who were hourly jobs, students.

people who can't take election day off. people who can't necessarily get to the polls and so the drop boxes are for them. that's who uses them. and trying to essentially scare people away. you had nazis marching in florida, waving desantis signs. he didn't even condemn it. it's at the point now where republicans can't even condemn naziism. they have embraced kanye west, and by the way, kanye west has no actual power. he's just an entertainer, but he's become sort of almost a thematic sort of member of their tribe. they're embracing him at just the time that he's submerging himself in anti-semitism. that's when he's tucker's best friend? it's so open and obvious now that it is a little bit frightening. >> well, and this is what's concerning, it's very clear they're also using kanye west because they want to be able to emdemnify it's not a white nationalist thing. this is absolutely a white

nationalist thing that is being percolated and it's not just happening in the united states but worldwide. we have been historically the leaders of making sure we stamp the stuff out, and we have to make sure that this election is a referendum on what the republicans are doing. being very clear that this is not the country that we want to lead into the future, and for folks that are right now looking at the polls, everyone is saying we're seeing the levels of enthusiasm among voters in georgia closer to what we saw in 2020, but that's older people. the majority of votes we're seeing in the older votes right now are older people. we desperately need young people to come out. the multicultural generation that really reflects what matthew was talking about, this new generation of americans. their numbers are down. part is because people always talk to high propensity voters. by default, young people aren't, but we need them to come out to be part of this idea that we are holding the line, we're making sure that we're not going to have anti-semitism, anti-immigrant, making sure women have agency over their bodies and it's real.

this is not a drill. this is not an exercise. this is happening right now on our watch. and some day if you're not participating in this election, when everything goes south, people will say where were you, and you're going to say, i am not sure if my vote counted. >> democracy on the ballot is not just a slogan. we're talking about women literally using agency over themselves. donald trump said you know where he's going to challenge the election, already in advance, philly. that's a dog whistle. it's not even being hidden at this point, it's just fascism in the open, and what scares me is that i'm not sure everybody minds. you know, i think there are some people who will just sit back and let it happen. thinking it won't be that bad. and that, to me, is almost more dangerous than the radicals. >> well, i mean, i'm not calling -- i'm not going to say that the gop are nazis at this point or whatever, but it certainly sounds very familiar to what happened in germany,

which is a bunch of citizens, adolf hitler gets a third of the vote, nobody thought it would happen, they went along because he said he would solve the economy and fix inflation. you can hear those sorts of things, and oh, lo and behold, a few years later they lost their democracy and they're all like, how did that happen here? that's my worry. that is my worry. obviously, the price of a hamburger, the price of milk, the price of gas is concerning. but that is a short term problem. the loss of a democracy will decimate everyone's freedom. i think this is -- we shouldn't try to be saying you need to adopt our culture or whatever it happens to be. that is the white nationalist. it should be we stand for democracy. we stand for the constitution and the dignity of all. that's what we stand for, and if you're with us, join us. >> that's exactly right. and we can all argue about tax rates and normal politics later, but we have to have a democracy to have anything to argue about. otherwise there's no point, nothing to argue about. you have no control over your

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about anyone or anything associated with donald trump is either under investigation, facing a criminal trial, or a

witness to a potential crime. today, jury selection began in the criminal tax fraud trial of trump's family business in new york city. the trump organization iscused of a 15-year scheme to provide off the books perks to its top executives including rent and luxury cars and even private school tuition to help both the company and the xk executives avoid paying taxes on the millions of dollars in those perks. the star wince for the prosecutor will be the former chief financial officer, allen weisselberg who pleaded guilty over the summer. he agreed to testify against the company. what feels like the bigger news today happened in the supreme court. where justice clarence thomas came to the rescue of trump's friend and partner in trying to overturn the presidential election results in georgia, senator lindsey graham. graham is fighting a subpoena to testify before fulton county district attorney fani willis' grand jury investigation for some reason. justice thomas has temporarily blocked a lower court's order

requiring graham to answer questions about the phone calls he made to georgia election officials in the weeks after the 2020 race was called. oh, and get this. the ultimate decision as to whether graham will have to testify could be made by justice thomas himself, or he could bring it to the other justices on the 6-3 supreme court, to decide. and joining me is glenn kirschner, legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. i saw harry lipman tweeting about this and it was sort of a calm you down tweet. it sure is suspicious looking for clarence thomas to be the one to rescue lindsey graham from having to testify. talk me down. is this something i should be concerned about? >> joy, i can only talk you down in part because it seems like the supreme court is willing to embrace the stench of illegitimacy. i don't understand why they continue to dig themselves deeper and deeper into the hole of illegitimacy. their reputation, their

credibility is being damaged every day, i believe, in the eyes of the american people. and there are ways to avoid it. you know, the word recusal doesn't seem to be in clarence thomas' lexicon. he's wading in to the same territory in which he has a conflict. he's the one who voted to withhold his own wife's deeply damaging and potentially incriminating text messages to mark meadows, urging him to overturn the results of a presidential election. but here we go again. now, we can perhaps talk each other down a little bit because it looks like this is a temporary pause, and it looks like clarence thomas said we're going to wait to receive the legal brief from fani willis and her team, which is due on thursday. and then as you say, clarence thomas can still act on his own and either reject lindsey graham's claims or accept them

and say, yeah, we do think lindsey graham is above the law, and he shouldn't have to testify about the crimes of donald trump, or clarence thomas can give the issue to the entire court, which i think is the only way to at least pretend the decision will have some legitimacy. >> and even then, i don't trust those six people. they're politicians. i think they have made it very clear. let me read some of what democrats are saying. the thing is, the court doesn't have an army. all they have is illegitimacy. this is what some democratic representatives schakowsky, ano another day of clarence thomas. he has no business being on the supreme court and though shame. clarence thomas, husband of 2020 election denier, blocks grand jury. disgusting. any other judge in the country would recuse. katherine clark, we need

answers. >> glen moore says again and again, we see the supreme court justices making partisan rulings. it's really hard to disagree with any of that, because it's very clear that the six of these, at least five of the six have a very clear agenda. and they're going to implement their agenda regardless of whether we see it as legitimate. and there's nothing that can stop them. do you think there's a risk now that because they're being so blatant, more democrats might sign on to the idea of expanding the court or taking some other action to reduce their unbridled power? >> yeah, i think there has to be some way to clean house, to sort of level the playing field, and i think expanding the court makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons. but at this moment, some of the justices seem content to revel in the stench of their own legitimacy, and here's my concern. we all have a stake in a legitimate supreme court, because once the people begin to feel like the courts are so

illegitimate that, you know, why should they obey the law if the ruling class criminals don't need to obey the law, you know, that presents real problems for our nation. >> and by the way, very quickly, i could say the same thing about what's happening in new york. the reason we did the supreme court story first is i don't think anyone watching the show has any confidence that trump is ever going to pay a price for not paying taxes for 15 years. a $1.5 million fine, that's the max they can do. they can't dissolve the company? you cannot pay taxes for 15 years, commit blatant tax fraud, and that's it? you can steal documents and get away with it, take home your white house classified documents. it's almost as if trump is above the law and i think the courts are making that clear. >> yeah, joy, to this whole prosecutor, this looks like a show trial in new york, like a sham. why? because you have the chief executive officer who benefitted

from a 15-year-long criminal scheme to defraud in the first degree, you have an organization that bears donald trump's name that benefitted from that same 15-year-long criminal scheme to defraud. and the man who sits atop the organization, who ran it, who similarly benefitted from all of this fraud, is nowhere to be found. no accountability for him. this to me feels like a show trial. >> the rich live in a different system from the rest of us and it keeps getting repeated over and over again. thank you very much. >> before we go to break, i want to tell you about yet another school shooting that happened today. at a st. louis high school. two people are dead, including a 61-year-old teacher named gene, and a female teacher whose name has not yet been released. the suspect, a 19-year-old, who graduated from had high school last year, was killed in a gunfire exchange with the police. as of october 13th, there have been 140 incidents of gunfire on

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with the midterms just over two weeks away, republicans frankly with some help from the beltway media, are counting on

inflation to be the winning issue that gets them back in power. okay, let's take them up on their narrative. how would the republican senate and house tackle inflation. take a listen to what one republican senator said yesterday when asked that very question. >> oh, i think a lot of the solutions is an all of the above energy policy. two years ago today, we were a net exporter of energy, now we're a net importer of energy. energy factors into every other cost. there's no reason for us to have the energy concerns that other countries in the world have today. we need to stop saying that spending more money like the democrats did in the bill they passed this year again on a totally partisan basis, is going to do things that really stabilize the economy. >> okay, putting aside that that wasn't exactly an answer, reducing inflation will not be as easy as they try to make it sound. for one thing, the inflation we're all experiencing right now is a global issue, not a local

one. primarily driven by the pandemic and the war in ukraine. countries all over the world are dealing with high prices and soaring inflation. most countries worse off than the u.s. look at this. the u.s. is tenth on the list under the netherlands, the uk, italy, spain, germany. and unless joe biden is the president of the whole world, it's doubtful he's causing that. or that any u.s. political party can end it. and when it comes to the economy, republicans have been quite transparent about what they would do. including gutting social security and medicare, turning them into temporary programs. and holding up the debt limit, essentially to take it as a hostage, threatening to let it crash if they don't get to gut those programs that americans already paid for in taxes. and of course, giving more tax cuts to the super rich and to corporations, it's what they do. this is not an exaggeration. these are all policy proposals republicans have said that they intend to implement if they get control of congress. and president biden today warned if they did, there would be ugly

consequences. >> in order to cut social security and medicare, the threat to default on the federal debt. there's nothing, nothing that would create more chaos, more inflation, and more damage to the american economy than this. think about it. republicans are determined to hold the economy hostage, either give in to their demands on social security and medicare which millions of americans rely on and earned and pay for, or republicans are going to crash the economy. >> stephanie ruhle, my friend, joins me now. she's business analyst and host of the 11th hour on msnbc and my pal. listen, stephanie, this to me when rick scott came out and said, hey, i got a whole booklet on how i'm going to sunset social security and medicare, every five years, and basically make them have to beg for their supper every five years to exist, and they're going to slash it and cap the age at 90, so basically, if you're old, they're going to make sure

you're extremely poor into your dotage. i don't know how that fixes inflation. but you're the money lady. does that fix inflation? destroying social security and medicare. >> not only does it not fix inflation, but i don't know how it gets you re-elected in the state of florida. do the good brothers and sisters who live at the villages hear what rick scott wants to do and rush to the polls? when i hear about those policy proposals, what i wonder about is what republican voters actually hear. because if they want to hold up the debt ceiling and tank the markets, that's certainly going to upset the business community. and for senior citizens who loyally vote republican, they certainly don't want their social security messed with, so yes, republicans have done a brilliant job hammering fear, problems around inflation, and they are real problems, into the hearts and minds of american people. what they haven't offered is a prescription to solve it. it ain't easy. >> and the prescription that they have wrapped their arms around is the liz truss solution. she lasted, what, 42 days. given the solutions they want to

do, larry kudlow was like, i love it. she wants to slash the tax rates on the super rich, which is what they always want to do. does slashing taxes on the super rich does not do anything about inflation, but that is their only policy and drill. drill, drill, drill, drill all over alaska and stuff. >> listen, you're going to quickly see republicans back off from what they said just a few weeks ago complimenting liz truss, but i sat down with janet yellen today and asked her that very question. a lot of people are looking at what is happening in the ucurb. at this point, there's no financial stability there. the markets have dried up, so they can't even address inflation, and i asked her, are you worried about what's happening over there could happen here. watch this. >> are you worried, are you looking to the uk that is obviously in peril, where they can't even address inflation because they don't have financial stability? could that be us? >> i think a responsible fiscal

policy in times like these is important. and the markets really questioned whether or not the fiscal plans that had been put forward in the uk were credible or whether or not they would lead to spiraling debt. and i think it's important for the united states, i believe we are on a fiscally sustainable path. >> i mean -- go ahead. >> janet yellen is in a difficult spot. here's why. the biden administration has done a lot to address the economy. from infrastructure spending to the inflation reduction act to just last week, you can now buy hearing aids over the counter. huge positives. but most of what they have done are going to take time for the american people to see. and you know this as well as i do. we live in a world of short tempism, and people are saying my life costs more money.

i don't remember how bad it was two years ago or ten years ago even though it was terrible in the financial crisis, horrible two years ago and they're saying i don't particularly like the person in office. the question to voters and what democrats need to push in these last few days is what are you going to get on the other side? i mean, they can't make a bumper sticker that says it could have been worse, but that's what they need to do. >> i mean, the thing about it is biden has presided over, sinking unemployment rate from 6.4 to 3.5%. we're at total employment. we have -- businesses are begging for people to come work there. it's basically a seller's market if you're looking for a job, but you're right. the short termism of the way people feel mood wise about the economy, i don't know what else biden could do. he's given student debt relief, he's taking marijuana off schedule one, he's doing stuff that's immediate, but to your point, his larger economic plans will kick in a year from now. are democrats basically hobbled by the fact they do all the policy, and republicans just

cheat off their homework, go home and hail the bridges in their district, and then do nothing but cut taxes for the rich? >> yes, and -- but let's just be honest about democrats. sometimes democrats need to tout a better economic message. sometimes democrats are too afraid to do it because, you know what, not everybody is ever going to win. there are always people who are going to be vulnerable and suffering, and i get that. because of that empathetic voice, democrats don't want to run a victory lap, but in a game of politics, you need to because people want to feel like i want to be with the party that's going to help me be financially secure. they're the ones doing it. they should say it. >> yeah, they should absolutely say it. and look, i don't know if a lot of seniors understand what it would mean to sunset social security and medicare every five years but you don't want that, baby. you don't want to live in that world. but that's what they're saying they're going to do. believe it when they say they're going to do stuff. stephanie ruhle, my friend.

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governor ron desantis and his challenger, former democratic house governor, exchange blows over the current governor's future. >> i talk about joe biden a lot, i understand you think you will

be running against them. i can see how you might get confused. but you are running for governor. you are running for governor, not -- why don't you look in the aisle as a people in the state of florida and say to them, if you are reelected, you will serve a full four-year term as governor. yes or no. [applause] yes or no, ron? will you serve a full four term if you are elected governor of florida? it's a fair question. he won't tell you. >> we do not agree on the candidates asking each other questions. governor, is your turn. >> i know charlie is interested in talking about 2024. i want to make things very, very clear. the only worn out old donkey i'm looking to put out to pasture is charlie chris. >> joining me now is florida state senator and democratic nominee from florida's 27th district -- i will have quiz for the two of you. it is clear that ron desantis

is running for president. what he lacks in a charisma, he definitely has in one liners and stunts. isn't it clear to everyone in florida that he just needs to get reelected for president? >> absolutely, that was a very awkward moment that we got from him where he didn't even know what to say. of course, he always resorts to the main colleague which is his m o. >> the smog look on his face, charlie, it tells me that he is very confident that he's going to get reelected. look, i lived there for a long time and i can tell you that i've seen some progression. florida is a red state now, i don't really think it is really a swing state. when you look at it just as somebody who used to be on the republican side, do you still see a swing state here? i see a red state. >> i think it's become increasingly red. look, what's interesting watching this debate, this was a lively debate. charlie crist is a veteran politician. he is a heavyweight, he has been doing this for a very long

time. he was extremely well prepared. he brought everything, i made a list of all the things that charlie crist should say. he hit every one of them. i also have to say that i am looking at charlie crist through this 2024 lens. he clearly did not want to answer that question. i have to say that it is going to be interesting how that played out in mar-a-lago. charlie crist, let's be honest about it, he held his own in this debate whether you agree with him or not. in many ways, this was a little bit of a rehearsal for 2024. could he take the heat? could he stand up to a veteran debater? i have to say, nothing to happen this debate tonight is going to change the outcome of this election. but it certainly is going to increase some of the buzz, that is my prediction. >> the thing that is, for a lot of people who don't know florida, the hispanic vote, but we do know vote is very diverse

around the country. if you look at mexican americans, they tend to be 60 5:35 democrat. if you look at cuban americans, they are overwhelmingly republican, at least first generation humans. one of the things that is been interesting about the way the venezuelan migrants -- sending out migrants to massachusetts. it hasn't hurt desantis with republicans. talk a little bit about the way that the hispanic vote in florida is reacting to that. is there a reaction? is there a negative reaction? it sure doesn't seem like it. >> well, i will put it perfect for you. two weeks before those flights, the lieutenant governor actually went on spanish radio and announced that they were going to be doing this. they were actually going to be doing it with cubans in buses to delaware. then they pushed back because there was such outrage from the community that they said, oh no,

we scrap that. texas is taking care of all of that. we don't have to do that. that is when they started to go to texas to find people to fill the plane. it turned out to be venezuelans. the other issue that we are running into is, the republicans love to stand in miami and talk about how they are here to fight communism. we are here to save everyone that is fleeing communism except when it is not politically convenient for them. here, if venezuelans are fleeing communism, i don't know what they were thinking. they are showing their true colors. they even said, oh well there is not enough of venezuelan voters so we don't have to worry about it. that shows that this is all political. it is really, really horrendous what they've done and how they are playing with peoples lives. many of us who have had to flee to come here. >> absolutely, i know that your background is from columbia. the thing about it is, charlie, desantis has been very surgical

about doing this. he is hurting the right people, that's the idea. that's always been the idea behind mega-ism. the base wants you to hurt people, but we have to have the right people, you can't hurt the cubans, the cuban americans are on our side so we will leave them alone. you can hurt anyone else, anyone from central america. you can hurt lgbt people. this drag show that he is obsessed with in orlando, the head shut down because they are really attacking, particularly trans, but lgbt people. you can attack black people, you can attack black history, as long as desantis is hurting people he is actually doing well in the republican party. what does that say about florida and what does that say about the republican base? they want to hurt people. >> it's only says that he is making a play for the trump mantle. he understands exactly what the trump base wants. he is giving to them in a relatively skilled way, as you point out, the way that he has picked out the one group that he could treat this cruelly and get away with. clearly, what you are also

seeing is, other people obviously have a deeper understanding than i do. the border issue is hurting democrats with hispanic voters in a way that i don't think people anticipated. what desantis is doing is he is saying, this is terrible, i'm really sorry we had to do this but why do we have this kind of outrage when it is happening in florida, or texas, or california? why do people only care when it's in martha's vineyard? the crowd like it. i think this is something going forward that people are going to have to realize about that. >> a fashion is coming to america, look at florida as the canary in the coal mine because the anti woke's have not had empathy. they don't want empathy because if the young people are and pathetic they might vote for things that make taxes go up. for state representative charlie sykes, thank you very much. make sure to join me tomorrow night live from the flying saucer. that is a cool name. the flying