story, and the beginning of our story, does maggot really stand for making a chinese get attorneys? this was kind of a dark joke that was going around in trump's inner circle. it is true that if donald trump tries to use his lawyers as tools to do the things that he does not want to do, he often doesn't listen to them, and when he gets into trouble, he wants them to do the things that he will not do. this is a story that has repeated itself throughout the trump administration, and now the post presidency. >> michael schmidt, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner's tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. agner's >> i still don't undersy anybody signs up to be a lawyer for donald trump. >> they have been going down the depth charge quite a bit. >> whether you're crossfit

lawyer, it hence the same way. >> it really is wild to watch it happen over and over again. >> and so it goes, the will keeps turning, thank you chris as always. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. imagine somebody write you a check. you take did the bank, you cash, it deposit, whatever. and then the czech bounces. you didn't write this check, you had no idea that it was not good. up until today, banks across the country could charge you for that transaction. you would get charged a fee for being a victim of a fraud. that's just one of the laundry list of what president biden is calling junk fees, that he announced his administration is going to cut down on. have you ever shown up to the airport and had your flight canceled, and then the airline tries to charge you a fee to rebook you on a new flight? to our place the flight that they canceled? this thing happens.

biden today is directing the department of transportation to make rules so that airlines can no longer do that. have you ever gotten an internet bill with a cvs receipt sized list of surprised fees tacked on to it? president biden is directing the fcc to make a rule mandating internet service providers to be print transparent in their pricing upfront. president biden is telling the ftc, the fcc, and the department of transportation, even the federal maritime initiative. he's telling all sorts of agencies across the u.s. government to seek out surprise fees and unfair charges, and make them illegal. altogether, this effort is expected to save americans tens of billions of dollars a year. >> most of those roles will not be finalized until around the end of this year. two of them, the new rules about fees for catching bad checks, and another rule about banks charging surprise overdraft fees, those rules are in effect as of today. they are the work of the

consumer financial protection bureau, essentially founded after the great recession to stop the exploitation of consumers. instituting those two rules alone should save americans more than a billion dollars a year. you would think that something as common as this would have at least a chance of being bipartisan. you would think. but no. these are letters to the director of the financial protection sure borough. one is from the republican senators who are likely to chair the senate finance committee, the appropriations committee, and the banking committee, should republicans win back the senate. the others from the republican congressman who are likely to cheer their face -- and oversight committees again, if the gop takes back the house. both of these letters are not shy about how much these republicans hate the work of the cfpb. the house letter and by saying that they're going to use their committees to forcefully reassert control over the cfpb.

the senate letter specifically defends the surprise overdraft fees, which they call optional overdraft services. you can't make this stuff up. republicans are for surprise overdraft fees. that's not something that i thought when could before, but apparently they are. for publicans control congress following the midterms and 13 days, in biden, we cannot expect crazy bills passed by republicans to be vetoed. even without the power to pass legislation, republicans taking over even just the house would give them a ton of power tyreek have a. they've already floated the idea of holding the debt ceiling hostage, and that ukrainian cannot -- in the form of a, quote, blank check. they could obstruct basic legislation just to make biden look weak. and they will almost certainly use their power to interrogate the biden ministration over the guise of congressional orcas -- to conduct investigations, and possibly give impeachments.

some of that has always been expected. it is a generally expected principle that the republican white house will be -- as a way to fill fox news airtime and sling mud at democrats. the prospect of impeachment, we may want to listen to what republicans are saying that they're planning here. >> i don't know how kamala harris does not get impeached if the republicans take over the house. >> last friday, ralph norman from south carolina and i filed a resolution including impeachment articles for secretary blinken. >> it is time for action! impeach biden, impeach kamala harris, and throw in the secretary of state if you can get him back from vacation. >> these are articles of impeachment on president biden. >> what's good for the goose is good for the gander. i said at the time, when we had a democratic president, in a republican house, you can expect the impeachment proceeding. >> the house of needs to

impeach merrick garland, and they need to impeach alejandro marcus, the secretary of homeland security, and we have to have trials in the united states senate on their abuse of power. >> do you expect an impeachment vote against president biden, if republicans take over the house? >> i think there's a lot of pressure on republicans to have that vote, and put that legislation forward, and to have that vote. i think it's something that some folks are considering. >> wow indeed. at the atlantic, there are today with a new piece in titled the impeachment of joe biden. in, it he argues that quote, sometime next year after an interval of performative investigations, republicans in the house are going to impeach joe biden. that is a major assertion. they've been, right and he has been right early about big things like this before. and september of 2020, in a

piece entitled the election that could break america, gellman reported that the trump campaign was discussing contingency plans to bypass election results, and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where republicans hold -- with it justification based on rampant fraud, trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote in their state and exercise the power instead to choose a slate of electors directly. does that sound familiar? trump claiming victory on election night, claiming fraud when it started to look like he lost, and trump using those fake fraud allegations to stop the counting vote electoral votes. gellman wrote about the plans for all of that in september of 2020. weeks before the election. why does he now think biden will be impeached by a republican congress? joining me now is barred gellman, staff writer at the atlantic, and former -- >> thank you for having me.

>> every time you publish something like, this it sends a chill down the spine of most americans, or perhaps those watching this television show, and sitting at this desk. you see a strong correlation between election denialism and the last four impeachment on the part of republican voters. can you talk a little bit more about that? >> it's almost a mathematical relationship. if you believe or profess to believe that the election was stolen, that joe biden is an illegitimate president, and we know that about two thirds of all republicans do believe that. you are either joining a militia to overthrow the government, or at the very least, you want to see him removed from office. impeachment is correlating very closely with the big lie. you have actually 68% of republicans that believe that

joe biden should be impeached, and a majority believe that he will be impeached. >> if a, b, then c, then d. the end point is that they must ultimately be impeached. in the same way, you talk about kevin mccarthy, who could become speaker of the house. it does not say right now openly that he is going to impeach joe biden. you also explain the host of various pressure points that are on the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. wonder if you could detail specifically where the most pressure could come from inside of his caucus. >> the interesting thing is that i don't think that kevin mccarthy actually wants to impeach joe biden. the people who want to are in the freedom caucus, and on the right of his conference and congress. but he has risen to where he is, and will if republicans win the

house, rise to speaker of the house, on an explicit strategy of never fighting with the extreme right. he vows to everything that they asked for. people like marjorie taylor greene, lauren, some of the others you showed on screen a few moments ago are determined, and will impeach joe biden. he's going to lose control of his agenda to those folks. >> he has not proven himself to be the one with a ram run spine so far. it is being highly -- to some degree, it's built in today's modern republican caucus, if you're the speaker of the house, you will ultimately pledge fealty to the far-right wing of the party. witness paul right, and -- and you also detailed the jim jordan of it all, which is to say that jim jordan, who could end up being the head of the house oversight committee, you

seem to align and battle of eta goes between who is going to be the face of the impeachment movement, which could be political mana to republican voters. why does he essentially fall into the impeachment plot, in your mind? >> that's the right question. it is going to be the key leverage point. in the office of jim jordan, because it is expected that he will join the committee leadership, that he would run the judiciary committee, which by the way is the committee that has jurisdiction for impeachments. he is therefore part of mccarthy's leadership team at the moment, and so he has got an institutional vest, and an interest in making sure that things go smoothly, and according to plan. he has been carefully hedging his public comments about impeachment, saying that it

would need to be something that the entire republican conference could get behind. before they did that. but the problem for him is that he has always wanted to be right on the front line of confrontation with joe biden and the democrats. >> and he has lived there pretty well, i would say. >> he's boxed of that terrain, and is not going to want to let himself be outflanked by greene, -- and those folks. as soon as impeachment starts to build up any steam at all, he's going to realize that if he does not take control of it and make sure to stake his claim to the committee chair, and it's going to get away from him. that is one kevin mccarthy loses control of his caucus. that's when he can no longer stop the push for an impeachment. >> the inexorable pushed impeachment. as discussing this, wondering

what he could get impeached for. what's interesting in the article is that that's the part of this that seems like it's the detail. it's not just an epic academic debate over what is an impeachable defense. it's about what vehicle we can use to get to this in point, which is the impeachment of joe biden. but let us, for the purpose of a full explanation of this article, explore those reasons why republicans at present think they can impeach joe biden. you outline a few, there are hunter biden, immigration policy, afghanistan withdrawal, the moratorium on evictions that was issued over covid. and then there was joe biden tapping into the strategic petroleum reserve. i'm not a constitutional scholar but none of those things sound like they are impeachment worthy. is that a consideration at all inside of the caucus, or according to the republicans you spoke with? >> you have to look at it several ways. first of all, high crimes mean

whatever congress wants it to mean. there's no legal standard that says the legal threshold has to be passed. none of the things that they have talked about so far rise to the level of an impeachable offense by historical standards. that might not stop him ted cruz said that it almost doesn't matter what grounds there are. he said that he will be impeached, whether justifiably or not, out of revenge. what's good for the goose is good for the gander. if the democrats can weaponize impeachment, as republican seat against trump. there is no reason why republicans cannot do the same against biden. >> and that's where this is at the end of it. it's revenge. let's not forget the motor in all of this is donald trump. the grievance machine that is donald trump. the revenge fantasist that is

donald trump. how much will the indictment play into all of this? the vigor in which they pursue impeachment. >> a lot. if the indictment does come. i don't anticipate impeachment coming first quarter of the new year. congress is seeded on january 3rd, they're going to go through investigations, momentum will start to build. i, about the base will demanded. if they find that it hurt the president, then the base is going to want to go in for the kill, and go for the job. if the investigations on their own do not heard the president, they're going to be doubling the interest in impeachment to remove him. the one person who does have the most control over the republican caucus is donald trump.

i don't want to say that one post on truth social controls the agenda, but if trump decides that he wants to see biden impeached, and he pushes for it with the base behind him, that's going to be an influence that the republican leadership and the house cannot really resist. i think it's going to come down to a precipitating event. the one you mentioned is certainly a likely one. if trump gets indicted, he is already threatened there would be violence on the street. he always deflects charges against him on to someone else. he was humiliated by his own impeachment. it was a wound to his ego, which he has not recovered from. he will want to see the same thing happened to his successor. if he's indicted, that would be

a pretty strong moment. >> the terrifying certainty of martin gellman and his writing for the atlantic. i don't even know it to say, except thank you for alerting as to what may be our future. staff writer for the atlantic, thank you for making time today. thanks for joining us. still ahead this hour, three men have been convicted of supporting a plot to camera -- gretchen whitmer. michigan attorney general will join me live to talk about that, and her race for reelection against an election denier. and how a brutal attack in florida is drawing attention to the far-right. that is next. we are officially two weeks out from election day, and democrats are worried about where they stand with voters of color. we will talk about what the group is doing to turn them out this election. stay with us. stay with us are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean?

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to. she doesn't back down, and she gets the job done. of the last few years, governor whitmer has moved michigan forward. she is five for tuition free higher education, and job skills training. paved the way for the first new car print in detroit in decades. and she's leaning on next generation battery and microchip manufacturing. governor whitmer is tracking opportunities for everyone to get ahead.

we can't let up. the stakes are too high. governor whitmer, start move -- >> there was a new ad released yesterday with president barack obama stemming for -- and her reelection campaign. obama will be campaigning with whitmer at the get out to vote rally in detroit this weekend, part of a pre-halloween blitz from the former president, who is set to hit the trail forget democratic candidates in georgia on friday, and wisconsin on saturday. dispatching the parties closer is a necessary strategy for democrats, worried about turning at their base, and are particularly worried about turning a black voters in a central part of the coalition. in a recent political morning consult poll, only 25% of black voters were extremely enthusiastic about voting in this election. 12 points lower than white voters, and ten phones -- as one democrat says, i'm concerned that there does not seem to be a lot of energy. democratic groups are trying to

solve for this quickly. the democratically aligned group priorities usa announced that they have invested seven point $8 million to cycle spurs -- in pennsylvania, arizona, michigan, nevada, wisconsin, georgia, and new hampshire. the group spent another $4 million on engaging with tina voters. and they are on the airwaves in states like michigan and wisconsin, running at targeted black voters. some people of color feel left dead or taken advantage of in the democratic party. like this man, which street -- only ever ask their place to vote harder as republicans continue to chip away at personal freedom and democracy. >> and i'm tired of folks coming around telling us just to vote. they're coming for our rights, our people, you, so no, just vote won't fix everything. that's no excuse to need to do nothing. make a plan to vote today. >> joining us now is geisel,

chair of priorities usa. guy, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> what can you tell me, and us about why specifically voters of color, black voters are not enthused about this election, especially in a moment when it feels like racism is unfold display, the calls towards white christian nationalism and white persons have -- are significant. why is there a lack of energy coming from this part of the democratic base? >> first, i think it's important to recognize that, as might be obvious, i don't speak for black voters. and it's important to recognize that a year ago, we saw 12 or 14, 17 point differences between white and black voters on whether or not they were more or less enthusiastic than usual about this election. over the course of this year, we have seen in those polling, those numbers closing tomorrow at five, six, seven points, still a gap. the reality is, for democrats to be successful, we have to

build a diverse, broad based coalition. black, latino, young, lgbtq voters, white voters in many of these states. most of those voters are online. younger voters, younger black voters are online. those are the folks that are the most likely to be disengaged from politics. they don't think that politics are doing enough for them, they're exhausted by politics. this so it happened in 2020, they thought that they did what they needed to do in order to win, and to have results delivered to them. it's our job to make sure that we are not censoring the candidates in her ads, or censoring the voters. and we're trying to connect the things that they care about with voting over the course of the next two weeks. >> that is almost unapologetic -- the strategy behind that was almost apologetic. we know that you think we've taken you for granted, but we still kind of have to do this. explain to me the psychology of an app like the one you just talked about. >> the most important thing you can do is treat voters like

they are smart, thoughtful people who engage in their life in a meaningful way, in a thoughtful way. and tonight just tell them that they something is not true. our number one job is to meet voters, whether they're black, white, hispanic, young, old, exactly where they are. it's hard. let's be clear, it's hard to find a democrat or republican that is particularly happy with the way that our politics at large is running for them. our job is to meet people where they are, and do our job to meet people and tell them what the difference between republicans and democrats are. as joe biden says, compare me to my opponent, not the eye almighty. >> you literally say that they're coming for you, that advocate in that ad. an explicit existential steak. how has abortion played a role among -- it looks like there are different ways to talk about abortion, four different

subsets in the democratic electorate. when it comes to hispanic voters, and when it comes to black voters, how are you seeing this lines different, and how do you see the difference in a way the democrats talk to white voters, white women? >> one of the things that people are misreading is that when you ask a question, what issues most important to you? economy usually comes first, crime might come in second, or abortion, and so you think that abortion is not going to be a deciding factor in this election. the reality is, when you look at every poll since the initial week of the dobbs decision. you've seen increased enthusiasm by black and latino voters, because of the decision. and also because the decision fits in line with what many of these voters believe about republicans. they are extreme. extremist attacked the capital, extremists want to get rid of social security and --

they want to make sure that the government will not negotiate -- and control the woman's right to choose. this fits into a pattern that they intuitively understand about republicans. of course there's going to be conservative latinos having a different view on choices, the same where there are conservative whites that to. our job is to make sure that we are connecting the choice issue with the larger fight between democrats and republicans, that they're extremist at every turn, and failed to take into account the views of black, latino, lgbtq, young, and frankly, white voters across the country. >> you're saying that abortion is a proof point in the argument rather than the argument itself? >> obviously for some people it's a core argument. for others, it's another way for us to connect the extremism of the republican party with other issues. if you believe that republicans -- and about controlling the right of a woman over her own health

care. you're also more inclined to believe that they would do things like keep restriction drug prices high. these are all connected, not separated in the way that we think about polling. >> i don't know if we think about them as separated so much as -- do you feel like democrats in the mid term season have been making the kind of broader argument about extremism? it feels like, at least from the ads that we've seen, and the spending that we have, seen that their focus more explicitly on the abortion issue itself. i'm not saying that's necessarily wrong, i'm just trying to understand the way in which this has been folding into the broader narrative. >> there's no question that the issue of choice on its own has been a primary message from democrats. i think that added together with all of these other issues, it helps us affirm a primary, into mid of argument about the trump republican party. it's that they are extremists who have a entire range of issues. this is just another thing that they're going to do to make your life more difficult. i also think as an aside, it's important to recognize that the way that you know how

republicans are going to win this election, is how they're sending their money. when you look at how they're spending against john fetterman, it's about taxes, the economy. what they're spending on mandela barnes, or cheri beasley, it's about crime. explain to me why the majority of money being spent against whites and democrats is on the economy. the majority of money spent against black senate democratic candidates is on crime. >> riddle me that, i think that i know the answer. race based strategy, also known as racism. i, cecil shared priorities usa, thank you for your time and thoughts. we have much more ahead this hour. the conviction of three michigan men in their plans today -- is part of a background for this consequential election in november. the attorney generals office can secure those convictions, and retain the rule of law in michigan. she joins me to talk about that, and more. first, one story out of florida this week is drawing attention

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where it appears that a guy outdoing political canvassing, handing out flyers and that sort of thing, that he was attacked and beaten up in miami-dade county. the reason this has gained national attention is because of a tweet from florida republican senator marco rubio, who shared what he said or photos of the victim of the attack wearing a rubio campaign shirt. rubio claimed in his tweet that his victim had been attacked because he was a republican canvas or. the senator appears to have gotten a little bit out in front of the known facts on this one. the police have two men in custody for the attack, and have said that there was no indication that it was politically motivated. obviously, is a terrible thing either way. nobody should be attacked physically walk in passing. once marco rubio put the pictures out on social media, it opened up this entire other story about florida politics. local journalists saw that guys picture and said, hey, wait a second, don't we know that guy? >> they're learning more about

what -- after he was attacked on sunday. we first interviewed christopher in 2017. we were covering a story about changing the names of street signs, and confederate generals. and a onetime leader of the kkk. he's holding a confederate flag. he got into a shouting match with the crowd. we led to this, police arrested him and charged him with aggravated assault, inciting a riot, and disorderly conduct. >> that is christopher man zone, the victim of this week's attack, charging in a crowd with a confederate flag in 2017. a few days earlier, he had been at the infamous white supremacist unite the rally in charlottesville, virginia. here he is at that rally, pledging to die for the south, and repeating the rallies mantra, they will not replace us.

he has his own page on the website of the southern poverty law center, which tracks hate groups, including the white supremacist group, lead of the south of which he was a member. the things that he posted on social media in 2017 about african americans and jewish people are so vile that i'm not going to share them with you. all of, this as far as we, know has nothing to do with the violent attack that he suffered this weekend, an attack that has been condemned, as it should be. the publicity that marco rubio brought to this guy, who is canvassing for his campaign, had led to the revelation that christopher was on the payroll of the florida republican party through at least last month. the florida gop paid christopher over $10,000 over the last several months. why is this white supremacist unite the right rally charging it people with confederate flags? why is he on the payroll of the florida republican party? we have reached out to the

florida gop, and to marco rubio's campaign to ask them that. we have not heard back. maybe it's because folks with that kind of history are increasingly finding a home in the florida republican party. the new york times reported this summer about the tightening grip that groups like the proud boys and gaining on each miami-dade gop. along with several proud boys, until recently he was a member of the miami-dade republican executive committee. he claims to the times that he has been on a path to deradicalization, and has disavowed his previous racist ideologies. but when he ran unsuccessfully for city council last year, he maintained his online ties to the white supremacist lead of the south. the miami news times reports that when members of the media were invited to interview him at the hospital this week, they were blocked from his room by proud boys. and so again, there are still a lot of questions to be answered about this awesome --

violent attack this week. there have been arrests, maybe we will eventually know whether senator rubio's claims as a politically motivated attack. maybe we'll eventually know what the claims are accurate. but apart from that, there are also questions that need to be answered about why a guy with a violent white supremacist history is being paid by the florida republican party. floated gop, are you okay? this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth and tongue, or trouble breathing.

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under michigan's anti-terrorism law. and also a victory for the rule of law and safety of all michiganders. the prosecution of these cases prevents it acts from taking the lives of innocent people. my office will not simply sit idly by and watched while -- civil unrest with the cause of mayhem. >> general, dana nessel thank the positives from her office from successively try the case against three men accused of assisting the plot to kidnap michigan governor, gretchen whitmer. today, after a three-week trial, they were all found guilty of gang membership, firearm violations, and materially aiding terrorism. they will be sentenced in december and each one of them faces up to 20 years in prison. if you remember, these men were members of anti government group called it wolverine watchmen. who yes, wanted to help kidnap

the michigan governor over covid health protocols, and they also wanted to start a civil war or a boogaloo after the summer of black lives matter protests in 2020. those men were among the 14th arrested in october of 2020. those were the main nestles office spent two years building a kiss against, and then finally spend some jail time. setting an example for other civil war enthused watchman. so what dana nessel an office it did is a big deal. it's also argue that she's operate in that election in less than two weeks and that she is not guaranteed to win. the most recent detroit free press poll has nessel a head of a republican opponent by just four points. which is a significant drop of her nine-point lead in september. now her opponent, by the way, it's an attorney named matt deperno. a trump endorsed election denier near whose under criminal investigation by the michigan attorney general office for his efforts to substantiate false claims of the 2020 election fraud.

yes, you heard that right. matt deperno is running for the office that is currently considering charging him for a crime. and he has promised to prosecute people like dana nessel if you went. and the odds of him winning are not slim. attorneys general across the country are prosecuting some of the most important cases in the nation. and many of them are up for reelection in november. like in minnesota, where residents are still struggling with the aftermath of george floyd's murder. the democratic incumbent, attorney general keith ellison is up for reelection. alison's office prosecuted former officer derek chauvin for murdering floyd, securing the states first conviction of a white officer for murdering a black person. alison's opponents, schultz, criticizing allison for the reform policy he endorsed after floyd's murder. schultz accused ellison of supporting funding cuts a police, which he says increases crime. those two men are currently tied. in texas, republican state attorney general ken paxton is running for reelection.

you might recall that he is the guy that led the effort to try to get the supreme court to overturn the elections of the 2020 election. the texas state bar that sued tax and sexual misconduct. this is a medicine against rachel guards off, democrat, -- shows guards out seven points below packs, and so it looks like ken paxton is going to run away with this one. the stakes here are high for the entire country. election experts worry that paxton maintaining his seat as texas chief law enforcement officer could spell real trouble if trump runs again in 2024. these races are a big deal! they will determine who the top law enforcement officials are in each of these states. who can bring criminal and civil suits for the state. who can potentially challenge election results like ken paxton did in 2020. election day is in 13 days. joining us now is dana nessel, michigan attorney general whose office prosecuted the three men

convicted today. attorney general nessel, thank you so much for being here tonight! let me just first congratulate you on securing these convictions. bringing wrongdoers to justice. i have to ask you, as someone who is involved in this plot to kidnap the governor so early on, i think of that as the preamble to january six, this idea that an armed group of -- of radicals were going to capture prominent officials who weren't doing their bidding, and otherwise stoke violence and mayhem. in terms of policies as a retribution for policies they didn't like. do you think the country paid enough attention to what was happening in the state of michigan just months before the election? >> well, i saw that even before it occurred, on april 30th of 2020, you remember that armed individual took over our state capitol in lansing. and it as it turns out, that

was really a meeting place for many of these individuals who later became involved in the plot to kidnap and assassinate governor whitmer. and also, many people who were involved in the event at our nation's capital on january six of 2021. so, yeah i think a lot of that originated in michigan. but it's permeated throughout the united states. >> the implications here for someone like matt soprano taking over the ag's office, in a state like michigan where i believe there are 2 to 3 dozen militia groups headquartered in the state. can you paint a picture of what the implications are to help someone else, not you, in charge of what could be a hotbed of domestic terrorism? >> it's not just anyone else. we are talking about a person who has called these proceedings a sham. even though, you know these convictions were in cash jackson county. which is a very red county. but the jurors understood that

this was not just a threat to governor whitmer. it was a threat to all people in my state. these are individuals who wanted to cause mayhem and murder, and chaos, and not just two numbers of our government, but also to law enforcement, the local law enforcement as well. they weren't republicans, they weren't trump stairs, they were anti government insurrectionists who wants to do as much damage as possible. but that being the case, my opponent has said that he believes the fbi orchestrated all of this. in fact, he has called the members of the wolverine watchman antifa, which we all know of course is ridiculous. but the concern i have is this: we still have five more defendants to be tried and her county. and i think my opponent has made it very clear that if he succeeds me, he will dismiss those cases and i think he will abolish my hate crimes and domestic terrorism units in its entirety. which is needed more now than

ever! >> let me ask you one more question about the implications here, because we are looking at an election that could see as the work record number of election deniers, elected in two positions up secretary of state. we are talking about election deniers as attorney generals, what is your expectation for the post november landscape? first of all there could be cries of election fraud, but in terms of enabling groups that want to see institutions undermine, that would like to change our democratic way of life, if you well, what are you girding yourself for, especially in a state like michigan? >> [inaudible] you can have someone who's an attorney general, the top law enforcement officer in our state be as lawless as the people that i'm running against. who seeks to undermine democratic elections. and undermine the will of the voters. he doesn't respect the law himself, you know? call me old fashion but i think that an attorney general should

prevent and prosecute acts of domestic terrorism, not support and encourage them. >> dana nessel, michigan attorney general, we will keep a close eye on your race, thank you so much for your time! >> we have one more story to get to tonight. remember florida governor ron desantis's recent political stance, fly venezuelan night grants up to -- its coming back to bite him, and the most spectacular fashion. that's coming up next. stay with us! ♪ ♪ ♪ us ♪ ♪ ♪

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strange parallel universe of governor ron desantis is florida. it is not yet been a week since the judge dismissed charges in one of the 20 voter fraud cases that desantis announced with considerable fanfare this summer. but today, another court is slapping down the governor's attempts to hide the details behind another one of his pen project. migrant flights. a judge ruled the governor desantis violated the state's public records law by

withholding information linked to those flights from texas to martha's vineyard in september. those flights have attracted a lot of attention and record request and lawsuits. especially about how those flights were coordinated saying as the migrants came from an entirely different state, texas. when the governor turned over some documents last week, we learned that his chief of staff and his public safety's our work together to plan the september 14th transport of 50 venezuelan migrants. and now, thanks to the judges order, we will get to see more phone and text logs from the governor chief of staff and presumably learn even more. the judge has given governor desantis 20 days to hand those logs over. dismissing arguments from the governor's attorneys that they should be allowed to turn them and on december 1st. according to a previous record request, december 1st is also the new proposed date by which the transport of another 100 migrants could take place. from florida to delaware, or illinois, or some other states where democratic presidents

have come from. apparently, governor desantis wanted to restart these migrant stunts much sooner on october 3rd. why the delay? we don't know yet! but stay tuned! that does it for us tonight, we will see you again tomorrow and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening lawrence. >> >> we have mandela barnes joining us tonight. he's innocent the sickle tie in the senate race and wisconsin with ron johnson. so it is a really tight one, like so many of the senate races and we are going to hear from him about what his closing strategy is. >> it is a fascinating race, mckellop arms is really compelling candidates, and the ads that they have been running against mandela barnes are shameful. so you have a lot to talk about today lawrence. >> thank you alex, thank you! >> good show. >> thanks. i could not live with that champagne, in victory i deserve it, in defeat i need it!