long. "morning joe" starts right now. this week musk announced that he is going to buy twitter and the deal will be final by tomorrow. in anticipation of the takeover, musk changed his twitter bio to chief twit. not bad. it's not too bad. >> elon musk's $44 billion takeover of twitter is now complete. did he really want it, willie? you know, i'm not sure. >> he got it. >> i think he's got it. he's in and the company's top two executives are out. we'll discuss what could be next for the social media platform. plus, president biden delivers his closing message ahead of the midterms, focused on the economy as polls show inflation to be the top concern of voters. we'll play his remarks and talk about what they mean moving forward. we'll also play the moment

senate majority leader chuck schumer was caught on a hot mic telling the president the senate race he's most concerned about, and also, willie, in that moment, he showed joe biden his socks. there's some political cartoon socks. there was a lot going on on the tarmac. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, october 28th. along with willie and me, we have former white house press secretary jen psaki, and jonathan lemire, and eugene robinson joins us along with presidential historian, jon meacham, his new book is titled "and there was light," abraham lincoln and the american struggle. a great group this morning. joe is of but we have a lot to get to, willie. >> elon musk is officially in charge of twitter.

the tesla ceo closed the deal last night, purchasing the social media giant for $44 billion after the deal closed, musk fired four executives, including the ceo and cfo, the head of legal policy, trust and safety who reportedly led the team who decided whether or not to ban then president donald trump from the platform, ultimately did. musk has said previously he would reverse that ban. the moves came just hours before a deadline set by a delaware judge to finalize the deal by tonight. the new york stock exchange notified investors it will suspend trading in shares of twitter before this morning's opening bell in anticipation of the company going private. musk is expected to speak to twitter employees directly later today. jonathan lemire he's spoken loudly, firing everybody at the top of the company, including the executive who ultimately decided to ban donald trump from twitter. elon musk said back in may that

was a bad decision. it was the wrong decision. they shouldn't be banning people. his idea is that this is an open town square where anyone can say anything effectively. there's the business side of it, there's the political side of it, do you think donald trump is coming back now is this. >> buckle up for what's coming on twitter. musk said he disagreed with the decision. trump has said publicly, i don't want to go back on twitter, i have my truth social, which no one uses, don't believe him. donald trump will likely be back on twitter, aides tell me. it might not happen immediately. at some point, he will want a return to the platform where he had 80 million followers, and as we know, used it for six years to wield political influence. it was taken away from him after january 6th. and musk has become a hero to those on the right, very politically incorrect, sort of in the almost trumpish mold, the way he uses social media as well, and a lot of conservatives really rejoicing yesterday about

the takeover being official, whether or not trump himself comes back in the next few days, and there's a lot of trepidation as to what happens to this platform. we should keep in mind that terms of an overall population, few people use twitter. it's a smaller audience than say facebook. it's extraordinarily influential. musk is not going to fire 75% of the staff which had been reported earlier in the week, but he has removed a couple of top officials. this is elon musk's twitter, and we're interested to see where it takes us. >> it's interesting, and who knows, joe's always said bringing him back on twitter could have its own consequences. people getting a break and then seeing him again could be interesting. we'll see what happens, not to sound trumpy, but it may not happen. we'll see what elon musk decides. former president barack obama is throwing his political weight behind democrats in key swing states. today, obama will join senator

rafael warnock and gubernatorial nominee, stacey abrams in atlanta in an event aimed at rallying black voters to the polls. in pennsylvania, the former president is starring in a new campaign ad focused on quote the fate of our democracy, and a woman's right to choose. let's take a look. >> in pennsylvania, you've got some important choices to make this year, so when the fate of our democracy and a woman's right to choose are on the line, vote democrat on november 8th. >> all right. gene robinson, how much of an impact do you think barack obama can have in some of these battleground states where, you know, when you talk to some voters that are not voting for democrats, the fix is in for them. they have made a decision. they don't seem to care about the facts. >> look, i don't think he's going to persuade a lot of republicans who are people who

have made up their mind to vote republican to switch. what he's going to try to do is drive democratic turnout, and get democratic voters who don't usually vote in midterms and there's a lot of them, to vote in this one. in particular, in the places he's going, he's going to, you know, he's talking to people in pennsylvania, democrats, but he's going to go to milwaukee, he's going to go to michigan. he's going to go to some places where he can drive african-american turnout, in particular. or hopes to do that, because that could make a huge difference. you know, the early voting numbers in atlanta suggest, in georgia suggest that african americans are coming out early to vote in large numbers, and that sort of thing is hopeful for democratic candidates.

that's what obama is going to try to do, and he is, you know, the most popular, arguably the most popular person in the party. i would say not arguably, i think he is. >> it's also all hands on deck in the state of pennsylvania. democratic candidate john fetterman is speaking out after his difficult debate performance this week. in an interview with msnbc's joy reid, fetterman was asked how his stroke might impact his ability to serve as senator when he wins. >> all of our doctors believe we are ready to be fit to be serving. one of the things we remind everybody is that by january i will be much much better, but oz will still be a fraud, you know, and i really on the judgment of real doctors, not a fake doctor like dr. oz that has spent his entire campaign ridiculing and counting how many words i might miss. again, i acknowledge that any

debate is going to be easy for somebody in recovery, and we thought it was important to be there, and we showed up. >> democrats also playing a little defense, believe it or not, in the state of new york, senate majority leader chuck schumer was in syracuse yesterday for the president's visit to that city. while they were on the tarmac, a hot mic picked up schumer's assessment of where democrats stand in key senate races. we put verbatim words on the screen in case it's difficult to hear over the plane engines. take a look. >> looks like the debate -- lik- and we're picking up steam in nevada. it's hard to believe that they would go for herschel walker. >> and by the way, barack's down

there tomorrow. >> but our vote, our early turnout in georgia is huge, huge. >> speaking of the turnout, georgia voters are shattering early voting records, 1.1 million people have cast their ballots in person. half a million more votes at this point than in the last midterm elections in 2018. jen psaki, a lot to digest there, a lot to touch on in georgia and pennsylvania. what's your sense talking to your former colleagues in the white house and democrats working on these campaigns about how they feel where the focus should be? >> the hot mic will get you every time, chuck schumer. i've been there. what we heard there and what you saw on the screen is similar to a lot of the conversations democrats are having behind the scenes and people i talked to as well. people are fearful about where the momentum is going in some of

these cases. there are encouraging signs, but numbers in the house races are not where they should be. people are trying to get -- a lot of people i talked to are worried about voters being encouraged and excited about people at the top of the ticket, and maybe not excited enough to vote for the congressional candidates and that's a real concern. so i think it's a reflection of the fact democrats are worried about where this is going. we only have 11 days to go here. that's why i think you see barack obama, joe biden, all of these people out on the trail because they're trying to light a fire with democrats right now. >> and jen, i want to focus in on pennsylvania, and big picture with john fetterman and dr. oz. i think all of this attention on his stroke has taken away from a point that he made so well in his interview yesterday, and that is that, you know, he'll

continue to get better. people have strokes earlier in life. people have strokes later in life, and people recover from strokes, but dr. oz will still be dr. oz and let's talk about who that is because it's all been so distracted from, number one, he is someone who has misled his viewers on the dr. oz show. for years, he was even brought into washington and grilled by lawmakers for his quack recipes and fixes for medical conditions that didn't work. and the very person who created him, oprah winfrey, i don't see her anywhere. i don't think she wants to get anywhere near him because it's embarrassing, and yet, you know, the focus is on this stroke. i think he brought it home. you went to pennsylvania. you're talking to voters. what are they talking about when it comes to these two candidates and their choices overall? >> that's right, and i was in

braddock, the home of john fetterman, and i spent six hours following canvassers around and listening to their conversations with people at the door, and what won't surprise you at all is these conversations are so different from what you're hearing in washington. people are talking about, yes, they are concerned about abortion rights but a lot of times they go straight to their concerns about access to health care and paying for child care and the economy. people have a lot going on. and what it really, my biggest take away was there's a disconnect between washington and how we talk about a lot of these issues and how voters and people in the country actually talk about them because none of these canvassers were going to the door and saying, listen, we're going codify roe, are you with us? that's not how they talk, but what should be encouraging to the fetterman team, and granted i was in his hometown. everybody there they talked to was supportive of him. they liked him. knew who he was. the canvassers, i followed up

with them, since i was there before the debate happened, and what they said was, yes, the debate performance coming up a little bit in the philly suburbs so far in bucks county, one of the counties outside of philly, not so much in the pittsburgh area, and it may be that a lot of people have decided and right now it's about where the energy is and who's going to actually get out and vote. >> so you're so right about what the conversations are really like out there, and we're going to show some of your conversations coming up in the show to really drive that point home, and hear what else they had to say about the issue of abortion and what they're really talking about and how much the debate mattered to them. for the first time ever, outgoing republican congresswoman liz cheney has publicly endorsed a house candidate. cheney endorsed two-term michigan congresswoman, elissa slotkin, with the campaign announcing the two congresswomen will host a joint rally tuesday

in lansing. cheney who was once the number three ranking republican in the house had never before publicly endorsed a democrat. in a statement released by the slot kin campaign cheney wrote, while alyssa and i have our policy disagreements at a time when our nation is facing threats at home and abroad, we need serious, responsible, substantiative members like alyssa in congress. in response, slotkin's opponent, republican state senator tom barrett released a statement that read in part, now establishment war hawks like liz cheney and elissa slotkin are standing together because i opposed their senseless thirst for more foreign entanglements. listing the battle to represent michigan's 7th district as a toss up. we'll watch that race, but let's pull back to 20,000 feet. which is why we have jon meacham here. this race, and this

endorsement -- >> yes, ma'am. >>-representing the battle for the soul of america. what's at stake here? what do you make of liz cheney's choice to back up elissa slotkin, and do you think it will have an impact in the long run. >> liz cheney is putting country above party. she's not just talking about it. she's not just away from the hot mic saying we really need to do something about this extremism and trump, she has put her political career really not in jeopardy, but she has ended her, for now, hold on elective office for a principle, and that's what we are supposed to want in principled leaders in a democracy. it's public virtue in action. and she's really the margaret chase smith of our time. a senator from maine who four

years before the men caught up with her denounced joe mccarthy. and did so saying that principle mattered more than party. and principle -- and this is the hard part in a midterm election eleven days out but the cheney news and her statement there actually manifests this point. this really is a midterm, i believe, personal opinion, take it or leave it obviously, that the principles of politics as a mediation of differences. and obeying the rule of law. that is more important in this hour, i believe, than any particular policy disagreement or debate. i just do. i wish we could sit around and argue about marginal tax rates. or colas, and social security. that would be lovely, right, but we can't because there's so many people who simply want to grab

power by any means necessary in order to advance their own interests and put the entire constitutional experiment toward a more perfect union in jeopardy, and i just think that's where we are. i don't mean to sound hyperbolic, but this is not hypothetical. this is what they say they want to do and at a certain point you have to take people seriously. and so i think what liz cheney has done is remarkable. i wish more people would do it, and i think that not just history but people of goodwill around the country should honor her for it, and listen to her. and vote for representative slotkin, and i say that, by the way, i'm not a democrat. i voted for republicans and democrats. and, you know, i live in tennessee. when i say i have conservative friends, that's redundant. this is not a crazy partisan

thing to say. it is, i think, a genuine stress test for citizenship for all of us. >> jon, we talk about the stakes, you and i got a chance to sit at an event a couple of nights ago and talk about your excellent book, number two on the "new york times" best seller list. only behind some harry potter book. we need to investigate the numbers on that. but anyway, you were talking about 1865, a few months ago, and definitely in the last couple of years, you have said, yes, we're divided but it's not quite 1968 yet, and i heard in your voice the other night, you say, you know, this is actually as divided as we have been since 1865 and around the civil war. so what are the stakes if you talk, you know, to have a grand conversation at 6:17 in the morning, what are the stakes here? >> the stakes are for years i have argued and wanted this to be more like 1933, or even 1968

and imagine a world where you say you'd like it to be like 1968. 46 americans every day died in vietnam on average. dr. king, senator kennedy were killed. democratic convention descends into chaos and violence. george wallace gets 13.5% of the popular vote and carries five states in the general election in 1968. 1933, fdr comes into office at an hour of immense distrust and crisis both economically and in confidence in the institutions. here's the difference, and here's why i do think we are in a more of a 19th century moment. herbert hoover didn't call the election results a big lie, and in 1934 put a bunch of hoover election deniers on the ballot around the country in order to set up a 1936 comeback.

okay. that didn't happen. vice president humphrey who lost by this much to richard nixon didn't put a bunch of election deniers on the ballot for 1970 in order to stage a comeback in 1972. everything i just said is unfolding now. and what happened in the 1850s was not just a clash of policy but a clash of fundamental understandings of reality, of identity, of power, and that had to be adjudicated by the sword. i don't think we're there, but i don't think we do ourselves any favors by pretending that this is somehow just all going to work out. part of what i admire so much about liz cheney is i have a bunch of republican friends, and so does everybody sitting here who want this to be -- i kind of think of it as a -- remember the

musical where there's this place that flies around and comes in every hundred years. they want the republican party to be like brigadoon, somehow it just comes become and trump's gone, and we're going to, you know, get back to arguing about spending but that's a fantasy. they have to confront this directly, and if they don't, then the party's going to continue to be a vehicle for an unconstitutional way of being. >> yeah, i think, jon, to your piano, it's a big lie party now whether or not trump's name is actually on the ballot or not. we'll see if it is in 2024 and is a fundamental threat to the democracy. for voters polls suggest that's a big issue. still lags behind the economy significantly, and that's where it seems like things are breaking now in the final fortnight of this race, mika, and i want to go back to what senator schumer said in the hot

mic, talked about the three states, georgia, nevada, pennsylvania, democrats need two of those if they're going to hold on to the senate, and these margins are razor thin, and his sounding of the alarms there, warning signs that georgia may be turning the wrong direction, despite the flood, nearly daily flood of bad stories about herschel walker, that's a deep concern. if they lose georgia, they've got to get pennsylvania or nevada. they are down in the polls in nevada, pennsylvania up in the air. the stakes are that high, and the races are going to be that close. still ahead on "morning joe," the head of the republican national committee, ron na mcdaniel appears to mock the speaking ability of pennsylvania senate candidate john fetterman. we'll show you the remarks and how mockery seems to be part of the republican brand. a january 6th rioters who dragged d.c. police officer michael fanone in the capitol attack gets one of the longest

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let's take lack at some of the morning papers. in florida, the bradenton herald reports in the months following

hurricane ian's devastation, contractors are fighting multimillion dollar clean up contracts. they could be worth tens of millions of tax dollars, a fight over local, state and federal funds that will be distributed to hold the florida communities get back on their feet. in michigan, the lansing state journal highlights a report that election monitors have developed violent plans ahead of the midterms. michigan is one of several states being targeted by the american project, a group organized by allies of donald trump which claims to recruit citizen election monitors to prevent fraud. the group's strategic plan suggests monitors use hidden cameras to capture license plates and if going at night, to be armed. mika. let's go to south carolina where the "beauford gazette," a committee will vote on banned books in the school district.

the committee will be required to read in full, all 97 titles banned by the district. members will meet to share and discuss each title and its fate. a first for the district since the review process was established last year. >> and in new york, the poughkeepsie journal highlights mortgage rates in the united states, topping 7% following the fed's recent rate hikes meant to tame inflation. the last time they were above 7% was april of 2022, seven months after the september 11th attacks. wow. coming up, a federal judge today is expected to deliver a ruling on whether tactics used by so called vigilantes surveying ballot drop boxes in arizona, amounts to illegal voter intimidation. we'll get a live report from phoenix on the roots of the drop box effort. potential good, bad and ugly for

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33 past the hour. a live look at washington, d.c. folks are headed to work, and the sun hasn't even come up yet. it's not just control of both chambers of commerce at stake in the midterms but the last two years of president biden's first term as well. election forecasters say democrats only have a one in five chance of keeping the house. without that, most of president biden's goals, such as codifying roe v. wade will likely be impossible. if the republicans win the house, they have said the biden administration should prepare for a flood of congressional investigations and a potential

impeachment. joining us now, white house correspondent for reuters, jeff mason, thanks for coming back and joining us. it's interesting, joe biden, the president, came out swinging in syracuse yesterday, really trying to hammer home the legislative wins, the inflation reduction act, the chips act, and what it's going to mean for americans' pocket books, gas prices going up and the struggle he has been going through to push the economy in the right direction, and validating that it's still tough, and also calling out republicans for doing absolutely nothing, calling them out by name. and yet, it was a pretty convincing message. the races are still so tight. >> they're super tight, mika. it's great to be with you. the stakes are high for democrats obviously but very specifically for president joe biden because the second two years of what is now his first

term, maybe he'll have another one if he runs again and wins. it's two years of governing, and i think democrats, jen psaki, no doubt would be one of them would say the first couple of years he's gotten a lot done. he won't be able to get a lot done in the second two years if the democrats don't have at least one of those chambers in their power, and it may be a version that jon and i were talking about in the last hour of veto, veto, veto, and that could be helpful to him politically going in to 2024, but there's a lot of things on his to do list, and not being able to get any things done would no doubt be frustrate to go this president. >> and jen psaki, speak to how a white house prepares for a she lacking but hopes not to get one. these are tight. you don't know until you know, but it could happen. >> look, yeah, i was there in 2010 when there was a shellacking as we called it accurately at the time. we don't know what's going to happen in the election.

we all look at the polls and we see where it could be headed. i would say, jeff, though, yes there could be some positive moments where the president could oppose what the republicans are putting forward or the absurdity of investigations and things like that, but ultimately there's nothing really good about the republicans controlling the house. kevin mccarthy being speaker for joe biden, and i think the big reason is because there's only so much oxygen in d.c. there's only so much attention that can be paid to anything, and if the republicans are in control of the house, they will have investigations. there will be multiple impeachments. they have announced they want to impeach, joe biden, kamala harris, merrick garland, cabinet members you have never heard of. that just will take up 75 and 80% of the time and attention, and that doesn't leave a lot of space for a proactive, positive, get it done agenda, and that's hard for the second half of your first term. >> in terms of setting that

agenda, you're spot on. obviously jen is spot on about these things. -- >> i know shellackings. >> you know politics, you've been there. it's about who sets the agenda, and if president biden is distracted or the world is tracted, the country is distracted by everything that the republicans are trying to set forth with their agenda, it will distract from his own. >> so even more than now, jeff, there will be a significant focus on president biden's relationship with two men. kevin mccarthy, and mitch mcconnell. we done know that mccarthy will be speaker. donald trump withheld his endorsement. he's the favorite to be speaker. tell us how those relationships could shape the next couple of years in washington. >> president biden, despite everything that mitch mcconnell has thrown at him has maintained over the last couple of years that they're friends, and it's possible that in a senate in which republicans have a majority that they would be able to work together.

certainly that's a value that president biden has said he holds. mccarthy, i think, is a little bit different. there's such a wide gap teen their values on democracy, on what happened on january 6th, certainly on the trump years that i think that would be a much trickier relationship, and yet i also think that president biden would at least try to go back to bringing the country together and talking about bipartisanship. but it would be very challenging, particularly with mccarthy. >> look, i think there's a really interesting dynamic to watch if republicans control the house and not the senate because mitch mcconnell has had moments of sanity here. you know, and he has -- he and biden are friends. i can confirm that for all of you here, and he has had moments he prevented the country from defaults. mccarthy is a different story. we saw that over the battle of ukraine funding. where do the sane republicans

stand, versus where do the what can -- whack adoodles. >> we can bet, though, he won't on a potential supreme court justice vacancy, if that were to happen at any time in the next couple of years. >> this is a good point. white house correspondent for reuters, jeff mason, thank you very much for being on this morning. and still ahead on "morning joe," former president trump loses his latest bid to block congress from getting ahold of his tax returns. we'll have the latest on that legal fight and there are many for trump. and jen psaki, you recently spoke with planned parenthood canvassers in pennsylvania. we're going to take a look at what they had to say to you about the issue of abortion heading into the midterms. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming right back ♪ ♪ have diabetes? know where your glucose is? with the freestyle libre 3 system, know your glucose and where it's heading.

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was likely related to that ongoing dispute. interesting that it took place in washington. >> it is, and more, former trump attorney john eastman has filed a motion, asking a federal judge to reconsider or stay an order requiring him to handle over multiple documents to the january 6th house select committee pending eastman's appeal. judge david carter recently ordered eastman to give the committee e-mails that allegedly show efforts to disrupt congress's confirmation of president biden's 2020 election win, the certification there. judge carter wrote that the documents are either not protected by attorney/client privilege or exempt from the privilege because they were related to a crime or attempted crime. the judge noted eastman had flagged to trump's attorneys their supposed evidence of voter fraud in fulton county georgia was inaccurate. but trump and his legal team went on to file a complaint in federal court nevertheless.

quote with the same inaccurate numbers, without rectifying, clarifying or changing them. "politico" has reporting about eastman laying out a new plot to undermine elections. in new audio from a speech he gave last week, eastman appears to be pushing for ways to seth set up a flood of lawsuits in state courts challenging the midterm results already. national investigative correspondent at "politico," heidi przybyla is joining us now. this is an amazing bit of audio of john eastman coaching people about how to keep a paper trail so they can file lawsuits about the midterm elections. let's listen to a little bit. >> they can register at the same day and time, but the requirements for identification to do same day registration is a little bit different. that i.d. must have an address in the county, and it must have

a county. in other words, you can't do the same day registration but just with your utility or something. so same day registration is allowed but it's still not part of the ordinary rules, right, and so there's this is 1-4-5-7, get that book out, and no that these things are in there. these are grounds for challenging somebody if they come in and their i.d. says they live in las cruces. you don't get to do that. you don't get to register here today with an out of town i.d. and so just kind of have some sense of what you're allowed to do. you know, find out who your people are, look at their registrations and if they're all the same party, you know, get in touch with the county chairman, say i would like to be the number two judge on that so they can meet their statutory bipartisan requirements.

because you're the ones making the decisions, not just raising the questions about this. here's the consequence to you if you don't allow me to see you. you really want to walk down that path, right, do it politely. do it gingerly, and if they say, we're calling the police on you because you're obstructing, no, i'm doing what the statute authorizes me to do. let's go ahead and call the police. and politely, with a smile on your face. >> heidi, let's take a step back and tell our viewers who exactly john eastman is talking to there, what he's asking them to do, and you're struck by the brazenness or lack of shame, however you look at it, of a guy who's under investigation, who drafted a document coaching people how to overturn the last election in 2020, now getting ahead and doing it again. >> yeah, willie, as you know, john eastman is the architect of trump's failed attempt to overturn the last election, and we have done a lot of reporting

on the this army of poll workers and poll watchers republicans tr are trying to recruit. what you have here, from john eastman, who was the architect, is that the real goal here is for them to basically be the vehicle for creating the documentation that would be necessary to challenge upcoming elections. he speaks very explicitly and repeatedly urges them to build the case, build the documents, write everything down, and those documents, then, can become affidavits that can be used in future cases, willie, so the big concern here is that this army that is being built up, it may become disruptive because a lot of these people are coming in. they're believing that they are there to police fraud, they believe they're going to be seeing fraud, so they could create disruptions but the new revelation here is that that's not the main goal of the people who are pulling the strings like

john eastman, like clita mitchell who has been organizing these summits all around the country, willie, is that the goal that these people will be the vehicle to create those legal disputes. one thing i wanted to mention, this is a new mexico summit. that's where john eastman is now a resident. it's also important to note that if you recall, there was a board during the primaries in new mexico, otera county, which refused to certify the election down there. nobody understood what was happening, but what i was told is there were resolutions like that circulating all over the state. it was just otero county said we'll try it, we'll see what happens when we refuse to certify an election. the concern is the people will create the documentation that could be used by a legislature or a county board to say we're not going to certify. >> jonathan lemire as heidi says, john eastman, an essential figure in the attempted coup around the last election and a

central figure in your book "the big lie," you wrote a lot about him, to hear him on tape, everything we know about him, all the judges that have asked for his documents and all the trouble he could be to be in that position saying here's, guys, how we can gum up the system again, and drag these things out if, in fact, we lose elections. >> unapologetic and shameless. that's john eastman's behavior here. he's a central character to the big lie, to everything donald trump and his allies tried to do after the 2020 election. it was his idea to set the fake elector scheme, states put alternate electors to the congress that would allow mike pence to throw that out and therefore keep trump in office. we know eastman was sending e-mails, guys, we might have broken the law, and potentially wondering if he might need a pardon. he's someone who in the thick of things, heidi, this is terrific reporting, and obviously suggests this reiterates how the big lie is going to be with us,

and talk to us a little bit about what you're seeing. speak more broadly about not just eastman's actions here, but how this is part of what the republican ethos is now, and we're seeing up and down the ballot, campaigns already threatening to challenge election results if they don't like them. >> and that is why you could see this potentially even in republican states, like i said, otera county, there was no reason for that election to be challenged and for the board commissioners there to refuse to certify the concerns, according to election officials who i talked to there, jonathan, were that it really was a test run to see, okay, well, what would happen if we did refuse to certify an election. that is, of course, the biggest fear of a lot of elections officials that i talked to is that you see this all kind of happening in coordination at the same time that now there's one piece here. you have individuals who could create this documentation. you have in the courts now the supreme court, potentially now hearing this case on what's called the independent state legislature theory, which would

allow state legislatures to have the final say in essentially determining the outcome of an election, and potentially overruling our courts, our big footing courts, big footing state officials who have supposed to have the final say, and you see how the pieces are potentially being put in place here for a much more successful version of what was considered in 2020 to be a really ham-handed approach, where they had a lot of these untrained poll challengers, banging, literally on the outside of these polling locations where votes were being counted. now the goal is to put these people in a position to have real power. they're asking them to serve as not only official party poll challengers, but also as workers. workers, judges, people who are supposed to be the nonpartisan officials. and if you hear eastman on these tapes. he's explicit about using narrow

interpretations of the law, technical interpretations, people are supposed to speak audibly when they state their name and address when they come to vote and if they don't, you should challenge that. while that's technically true, if i'm sitting here and challenging every single person who's coming in there, maybe in a minority district, a white person challenging these people, speak up, one after the other, is that really enforcing the law or is that voter intimidation, so you have the concern about intimidation, the people, the reporting about people showing up armed at polling locations in michigan. again, the take away here, guys, is that that broader strategy is about laying a legal frame work and precedence to empower people, even with merit less claims to potentially challenge elections. national investigative correspondent for "politico," heidi przybyla, thank you very much for that reporting which is so key to the big conversation,

jon meacham, because you see how this is getting engrained in our politics. trump may be waiting in the wings. he may or may not run for president, but trumpism and all that comes with it hasn't gone away in many ways as you see here, it's getting worse. i mean, is enough being done to prepare for the next big lie, which could be less than two weeks from now? >> yes, and it's just, in many ways, it's also a test run for 2024. jonathan wrote the book about this, and i think heidi's reporting shows something that is really important to note. in a way, we got lucky in the fall of 2020 in that the trump forces didn't quite have their act together. see giuliani, rudy, but the

factual that it was an unconstitutional clown car does not mean it's not going to be unconstitutional operation going forward. and we have a patchwork of election laws. it is a big exercise with lots of players at various levels, and as you're saying, and as this reporting shows, you have in a myriad number of ways for people to sow doubt, and then go to the courts and take their chances and the threshold question for a constitutional republic is the legitimacy of full and free elections. and if you break that, it's really really hard to get it back. and i think that's part of what's on the ballot in eleven days, and it surely is what's going to be on the ballot in 2024. >> jon meacham, thank you very

much for coming on this morning. of course his new book is entitled, "and there was light" abraham lincoln and the american struggle. thanks, jon. more from president biden's midterm message on the economy. in upstate new york yesterday, ahead of today's campaign stop in battle ground pennsylvania. plus, live reporting from atlanta where former president barack obama will stump for georgia democrats today. also ahead, michigan's democratic attorney general dana nessel joins us to talk about her race for reelection. "morning joe" will be right back. ction. "morning joe" will be right back

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>> we're a party of racists, the republican party is racist, what happens when the republican party elects and nominates herschel walker, an african-american black heisman trophy winner. everybody in san francisco is going to jump off a bridge if we elect this man, a black conservative beats a black liberal in georgia. they're scared to death of herschel walker, because if herschel walker becomes a republican, maybe every other young child in america of color might want to be a republican. >> now, get over here and give me a kiss, will you, herschel. wow, that's a beautiful shot. good morning, everybody. welcome back to "morning joe." we're at the top of the second hour of "morning joe" on this friday, october 28th. i just don't even understand lindsey and the condescending

racism. we'll table that. jen psaki, and jonathan lemire and eugene robinson are still with us, and joining the conversation, white house editor for "politico," sam stein and host of the "on brand with donny deutsch" podcast, donny deutsch is with us. joe is off, by the way, presidential joe biden is zeroing in on economic concerns and promoting efforts to bring more jobs and manufacturing to upstate new york. in syracuse, biden showcased a major investment by micro chip manufacturing company, touting the $100 million, two decade commitment. the president also took time to contrast his economic plan with the republican party's proposals. >> previous president made a string of broken promises in places like wisconsin, indiana,

ohio, where promised investments in jobs and manufacturing never materialized but layoffs and shuttered factories did materialize. on my watch, we have kept our commitments. on my watch, made in america isn't just a slogan. it's a reality. today the gdp results came out, and the economy, in fact, is growing. in fact, the economy grew at 2.6% last quarter. people's incomes went up more than inflation went up and enough growth. so economic growth sup, the price of inflation is down, and the price of gas is down. >> where is it written that the united states of america can't be the manufacturing capital of the world? think about this. where in the hell is it written that says we cannot be, as we

have been hearing for the last 25 years, the manufacturing capital of the world. this country lost 180 manufacturing jobs under the last guy that had this job. we have created 700,000 manufacturing jobs on my watch. donny deutsch, how is the message looking as the president made the ground work. there's a lot to brag on, a lot of legislative wins, a lot of growth but there's the disconnect with some people that don't feel it, and then the meg phone from the other side. how do you think the president did, and what do you think the democrats should do with this message moving forward? >> you know, there was a set of words in there, mika, you hinted it, it may not feel like that, and it was interesting that as he's putting the facts out there and stating 700,000 manufacturing jobs, and stating that gdp grew, and stating we have added, you know, actually

wages are going up more than inflation. unfortunately, when people go to the gas pumps, go to buy their bread, 70% of people say we're on the wrong track. his approval rating is 41, 42%, those don't bode well for the democrats. i feel that somehow his message, although left brain is getting out there, it's not registering. it doesn't feel good out there. and unfortunately obama's message you played in the last hour, democrats' message is roe v. wade, and fear of losing democracy, which are two pretty monstrous things to talk about are not bucking what people feel as they go to the gas pumps, and that's unfortunate. and most people, earlier in the show, jen talked about, canvassing, going door to door, those are issues we talk about. not the kitchen table issues, though they are the most important issues of our time. >> sam stein, go ahead, general.

>> i was out in braddock, nobody is talking about macroeconomic data. and it's a huge reminder of the disconnect between the conversations you have in washington and how the american people are actually living their lives. and you know, that's something i think over time that needs to be fixed by the democrats. >> and you know, sam stein, there's no question that issues like abortion rights, issues like the preservation of democracy that we have been talking to jon meacham about this morning are critically important, but if you look at polling again and again and again, it's just not even close. it's the economy by wide, wide wide margins over all of those issues and the border and immigration, so the speech from the president did have the whiff to some people of, oh, right, the economy is the issue, we better start talking about that. the problem is there are eleven days left until the midterm elections. >> a bit late, i would suppose.

i wouldn't dismiss abortion and protection of democracy, i think that does get people motivated and probably has registered thousands, tens of thousands of new voters, especially the dobbs decision. those will matter, i think, in a campaign context. i think in terms of exciting the broad electorate, the data is pretty clear, it's the economy, it's the cost of living, and look, you know, it's very difficult to message these types of things at this type of moment. it's a classic conundrum for a president dealing with these macroeconomic trends. you don't want to necessarily tout all the great things you have done because people who don't feel it will think you're completely detached from reality. i had this conversation with stan greenberg, prominent democratic pollster. he had done tests on democratic messaging. the tests that performed the worst in the survey groups was when biden touts his accomplishments, precisely for that reason. people don't want to be told how great things are and what a great job you have done.

what they want to know according to stan is what you're going to do to fix the cost of living going forward. you have to tie the things you have done in the past with how it will affect your future. i think that's what biden is trying to do. it's a difficult thing to do, a difficult pivot to make. i don't know if it's a pivot but it's difficult to make with eleven days before an election. it's very clear that the white house understands that this comes down to whether or not voters think you have a plan to help them with the cost of living, and that's where the white house's mind is right now . >> let me pick up on sam's point. it is about the economy, stupid, i'm not calling you stupid. that's the bill clinton campaign slogan from 1992. it's still here now. the white house has moved slow on that. ron klain said no, it's been front of mind throughout. this is a white house that initially called inflation transitory. this is a white house that has been talking about other things,

and they passed the inflation reduction act. this is a president who has a lot of political gifts but his best is probably empathy. to sam's point about the pollster, there hasn't been as much empathy from the president. it's more about, hey, this is what we've done. what should his closing message be in the last eleven, twelve days to get across the idea, that, hey, i can feel your pain. >> i think it's i can feel your pain and here's what we're going to do. not just what we have done. you know, what has been done has been done, and if many people still feel that that's not enough, then part of the message has to be, and here's what we're going to do. and there is a part of the message that he's gotten to. if you elect the other guys, here's what they're going to do to medicare, here's what they're going to do to social security. here's what they're going to do to your pocketbook, and i think

that's part of the message. i think, you know, when we talk about the economy being the biggest issue and i think that's right, but in the polls, it's not the economy 80%, and everything else 20%. there are different things that different voters care about a whole lot, so we ought to kind of be careful about generalizing on what's, you know, important to all voters. clearly you have to have an economic message, but i think the other messages are important as well about the state of our democracy, about voting rights, about roe v. wade. those are important to a lot of voters, and to me, this feels like an election that, you know, i know the models say that democrats only have a one in five chance of keeping the house. well, you know, four to one long

shots win long horse races, and on a given day, and it just -- it just strikes me there's so much up in the air right now. you know, the last few days, you've seen the generic numbers, republicans versus democrats, narrow substantially after republicans had taken a lead in that. democrats probably need a bigger lead, but it's just -- things have moved so quickly. i said the other day, i'll say again. it feels like a puff of wind could send this election really dramatically in another direction. it could be a red wave a blue surprise, and 11 days, you know, in this speeded up news cycle, eleven days really does feel like an eternity. >> it does. and all the different issues people may or may not be talking

about, jen psaki, you spent time in braddock, in pennsylvania, a group of women, canvassing for planned parenthood. in this clip, you ask a canvasser about the issues she's hearing are important to voters, and after that, we're going to see an exchange with the pennsylvania mother of four. women are really engaged. >> women are fired up, a lot of women, you know, when we would ask them the question of what is the primary issue for them, they would just say, oh, where do i start. >> they talk about it as abortion rights. what do they bring up as other issues that are of concern to them? >> i don't know if i think it's as much abortion rights as it is that they feel that their freedoms are being taken away. you know, it's almost as if you think of what's next. you know, well, what happens next. and the economy is definitely something that people are talking about, but when it comes to women that are a little older, we've seen inflation

before. we know that will come down. but this is something that's different. this is something that feels more immediate and permanent maybe. >> hi, amanda. my name is robin, i'm with planned parenthood votes, and i want to make sure you're aware of the candidates that are running in this election. >> i am. >> you are? >> okay. josh shapiro, running for governor, the one thing about shapiro that's going to be important, and i know you have children, he is going to protect the rights of women. >> that's a plus then. that's a plus. >> that's very important. >> he's going to protect health care, he's also going to protect our abortion rights which are important as well, as you know, the supreme court struck down roe v. wade. >> that's what i thought, yeah. >> and they turned it back to the states. >> that's pretty ridiculous. >> what's most important to you as you're thinking about what to vote for? >> as a mother of four children, the jobs. they say all of these jobs are out there, but they don't want

to pay enough for you to actually live off the jobs. i would like there to be, you know, more jobs available with the flexibility, you know, to be able to actually work and take care of your family and not worry about choosing one. i'm in that situation now. i need to go back to work but i can't afford to pay for child care. >> you know, child care, is that something, with four kids, that's really keeping you up at night. >> yeah, absolutely. i can't afford it. you know, i mean, we're probably living off of maybe $400 a week, you know, which is more than some people make but isn't enough for four kids, you know, and to pay your lights, gas, you know. >> well, thank you, being a mom of four is not easy. >> probably not the answer you wanted but -- >> thank you for your time. >> and tell the kids we said thanks. we met amanda at her door, a mother of four. >> amanda is not unusual. i see her everywhere i go, mothers who have to stay at home

because they can't afford child care. this young lady has two kids in school, and two kids at home. you can imagine what her life is juggling four kids and having to feed four kids on $400 a week. it's got to be tough, it really is. and my heart goes out to her. >> wow, jen psaki, these are great conversations and i wonder what you think the take away from that conversation, which as the canvasser said, you know, happens many times over, what the take away is for the democratic party? >> yeah, i mean, mika, i spent six hours following these canvassers around, and there were a lot of conversations exactly like the one robin had with amanda rivera. there's a lot going on in people's lives, whether it's concerns about child care, concerns about the economy. yes, amanda and many people we spoke with, did care about abortion rights, did care about having those rights taken away.

as the earlier canvasser said, often times they talk about that as rights of risk. it's not the same conversations we're having in washington. my biggest take away is something robin young told me, we really need to meet people where they are. these were voters they were talking to all day, and this is what the program is around the state of pennsylvania, and ten other states across the country is to go see voters who are unlikely voters, maybe they don't vote frequently. maybe they need more information, and what the canvassers are doing, they're from the community. they're saying, do you know who josh shapiro is, john fetterman, what do you think about making decisions about your health care. here's more information about that. what do you think about supporting somebody who wants to make sure that, you know, you have access to your own health care and you're able to put your

kids through child care. we sometimes over complicate the language and conversations we're having. what my biggest take away from that day, is we really need to simplify it, speak in a way that people are having conversations on their streets. there's nothing like spending a day with people in the community to be a huge reminder of that mika. we'll have to ask robin young if she'll brief the democratic caucus. maybe we will. >> you see a woman, who's raising four kids on $400 a week, and you go, nothing else matters to her. there's no argument other than, guess what, we're going to figure out a way to make it more affordable to you. when it's about survival, about these issues. you could scare them, it could get worse. they could take your health care away. that's a strategy. but, you know, if she is representative of a big part of the populous, and she is, and

let's factor in people who have seen their iras, not a woman like that necessarily, seen their iras go down 20, 25%, it's tough. you got to scare people and make it about the republicans that are crazy people, but even with the pending crazy, when you can't afford to buy the stuff that you were able to buy a year or two or three years ago, it's tough, tough sledding. i hate to be negative mini over here. i don't know what that means, but i'm really scared about a blood bath ten days from now. >> amanda rivera as you saw the canvasser say is the exact type of people they are speak to go, seven days a week for five to six hours a day. it was a reminder of how important it is for these conversations to be ongoing. you know, amanda needs more information. she had a child, i don't know if you could see, kind of trying it pull the door open because she has two kids at home. and two in school. she wants to go to work.

but isn't able to do that because she can't pay for child care. and these are the kind of challenges people are going through in the country, and it's just really a reminder of what we need to really bring us all back down to. >> and jen, these conversations that canvassers are having when they knock on doors are a snapshot, not just the issues but the political climate. there's more hostility we heard from robin. let's listen to that clip. >> is there anything different this year when you go to the doors? >> i think the difference is finding a lot of open hostility, not toward the person but toward ideas. just people are not willing to even listen to a different point of view. people, if they live in their own bubble, they come back at you with things that, you know, just don't make sense. >> what do you usually come back at you with. >> a lot of doors we go to are independents and republicans, and we don't know they're

republicans until you knock on the door, and you start the conversation. they're receptive, they've standing there listening but at the same time, you can tell that, you know, they're not really into what you're saying, and they go, oh, i'm a republican, and i don't believe that anyway. >> and do they say they don't believe it about abortion rights, they don't believe just what you're saying, they bring up other issues as as you said. >> basically all of the above. >> yeah, jen, in some ways, there's a futility to knocking on the door because people are so hardened in their positions. i'm curious your impressions, walking around there of the town. john fetterman was the leader of the town for a long time, obviously has fallen on hard times not just recently but a couple of generations now since industry has left that part of the state. just what it was like to be there and how people feel about john fetterman? >> you know, a lot of people like john fetterman because they feel like he's their neighbor or from there, and he was familiar to them. even for people who had never

heard of josh shapiro. listening to robin there, and talking about how divisive it can be. she's been door knocking since senator heinz was up for reelection. she wants her sons to have choices with their partners about health care. but she also said this year feels different. the last time she was door knocking a lot because of covid was in 2018, and now people feel more hardened. they're less inclined to have those conversations, even with your neighbors. i mean, she's a pittsburgh resident. has been for decades. and that division, you know, they're even seeing in communities. >> all right. this is very eye opening, jen psaki, thanks for that. still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to get a live report from key battleground states of georgia, and michigan. there are over 100 legal

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trust is earned, and i will earn yours. >> that's great britain's new prime minister, rishi sunak promising political stability in the united kingdom this week after a period of great upheaval. joining us editor and cheech at -- chief at the economist, earlier days for prime minister sunak, does it feel like things have stabilized for the moment politically speaking. is there a sense of a little bit more calm than there was, say, a week ago. >> absolutely, we have a sense of calm now. we have somebody on downing street who is a competent, tech technocrat who is bringing trust, accountability back to politics. it's a sign of how things got back. we're excited to have somebody who's competent, but we do. and you see it in financial markets. bond yields have come down in the uk, market wags are calling

it the dullness dividend. we've got a dullness dividend because we've got a company guy in charge. things are much more stable but the uk still faces really really serious problems. >> switch to competence, something we had around here in recent years as well. also we should note, you guys are the ones who first made the comparison of liz truss to lettuce, and that took off every else in the british tabloids. let's talk about the economic challenges it rishi faces, some stability, politically there's a lot he's got to do. >> the uk is the only g7 company whose gdp is smaller than it was during the pandemic. we have a much weaker economy than we did before brexit, a very riveting party. we also have a huge hole in the public finances and the problem that liz truss had is she was focused on growth but she did these kind of reagan tax cuts,

and the market freaked out. he's going to have to come up with tax increases and spending cuts that are going to be politically difficult because it's tough right now in the uk. you've got inflation as you've got here, but a huge energy shock, people's cost of living has soared. living standards are tumbling. in that environment, he has to raise taxes and cut spending, and he has to find a way to get the economy going again. the uk, this was another cover we did last week. we called it welcome to britney, because uk is looking more like italy. our italian leaders didn't like the comparison. it's becoming the uk, a politically unstable, slow growing economy. we have had no productivity growth for a long time. we need to find the reforms that get the economy going again and that's going to be very hard for him because it involves things like building reform, planning reform. infrastructure, all the things which would be easy to do if you could spend a lot of money.

if you can't, how do you do that. he's got to balance the books, kick start the economy, it's going to be hard sledding in the uk for a few years. >> leave aside for a minute, the challenge of uniting the country to do all of these things. will sunak be able to unite the conservative party to do anything? to stay behind him for any length of time, does he have really majority support in the conservative party that's durable, that's going to last? >> you know, that is a really good question, and i think there's an optimistic answer, the party has realized unless it is united, it is heading for oblivion. it's going to be completely trounced in the next election, and may not last that long. there's a sense in which they realize they have to show they can been an effective party of government. you're right, there are huge divisions in this party. one of the things people haven't

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gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: this morning, billionaire elon musk, the richest man in the world, has taken control of twitter, according to cnbc, which is citing unnamed sources. the deal puts him at the helm of one of the leading global social media platforms, the tesla ceo and founder of spacex completing the reported $44 billion deal on the eve of a court-appointed deadline to finish his on-again, off again, bid to purchase the company. one of the first moves, cnbc reports, including ceo, and tweeting thursday, the bird is freed, an apparent reference to the twitter logo, and a completion of the deal, changing his handle to chief twit. musk posting this video of himself wednesday walking into twitter's san francisco office, carrying a porcelain sink as he entered the glass doors,

tweeting entering twitter headquarters, let that sink in, the silicon valley titan, is buying it to -- this comes after a long back and forth battle. back in april, musk agreed to buy twitter for that whopping $44 billion. >> i think it's very important for there to be an inclusive arena for free speech. >> reporter: then began back peddling out of the deal, alleging that the company failed to adequately disclose the number of spam and fake accounts on the service. now final, this twitter takeover leaving many to speculate whether musk could remove lifetime bans, including bringing back former president trump who was permanently banned from the site after the january 6th attack on the capitol. trump has said in the past he would probably not return if his account was not reinstated. >> gabe gutierrez reporting for

us. sam stein, in the past, back in may, though he hasn't said it recently, elon musk said it was a mistake to kick donald trump off twitter, and it should be an open forum. on the other hand, he says now that he doesn't want it to be a hell scape where anyone can say anything. you have to square those two things, don't you? >> yeah, i mean, trump is one account that's been permanently banned, but there are others, and the question is, you know, does he go about reinstating, for instance, alex jones who just got fined a billion dollars this collective defamation suits by sandy hook families. are you going to have sandy hook trutherism broadcast to everyone who's out there. these are difficult questions for musk. $44 billion is not a small investment, even for the world's richest man, and i don't imagine he wants to just burn that money down. so how he manages this platform is really going to be telling. the letter placating advertisers is one thing, and probably a

nice thing to see, but axing all of the leadership, company leadership literally minutes after you finalize your purchase doesn't really bode well for keeping the guardrails on the platform. that being said, you have to wait and see, you know, these are difficult decisions he's going to make. if you're a regular user of twitter, and use it to consume your political news and pry to be part of a larger political discourse. first of all, maybe you should have rethought that to begin with, myself included, but secondly you're probably anxious watching all of these moves right now. >> just curious what you think of the deal. it's one thing to say you want to buy it, it's another thing to get it. he owns it now. your thoughts? >> i think he's a jerk. i think he's cavalier. i think there's something dangerous when the richest guy in the world controls one of the most important political platforms in the world.

to come into business and fire the people before you sit down with them shows a cavalier recklessness. he has been reckless in the past. if i'm a tesla shared, i'm disappointed by stock has been decimated as he goes on this rent. he reminds me of a bond villain. the richest guy in the world buys a social media platform. it's not a good equation. i think he's a dangerous fellow. >> how problematic the ownership and questions about tiktok being run by parts of the chinese government, musk and twitter, and we know how facebook has been used and abused by hostile powers to influence elections and spread false information. there's guardrails have tightened a little bit, but only a little bit there, and now twitter goes private under musk, and it is, we're going to see in the days ahead, mika, whether trump does come back. whether others come back. certainly in the first 12, 24 hours of his ownership, many on the right are the ones who are standing and cheering.

>> we shall be following this. so our next guest says young conservatives have leapfrogged ahead of democrats, when it comes to messaging. and the republican national committee is spending millions to make it happen. award winning journalist kyle spencer joins us now. her new book is entitled "raising them right", the youth movement and its plot for power. congratulations on the book. tell us about this youth movement and how the far right is really starting them young. >> yeah, so, the conservative movement has been working on building up young people and attracting them and creating kind of surrogate celebrities for many many years, and we're really starting to see them reaping the benefits of this. today, you have people all over the place and a lot of times on twitter and these other social media outlets who are really

sending the message that young people ought to trust conservatives over liberals and that they ought to really move to the conservative side. the other thing that you see a ton of these folks doing is really trying to push this idea that democrats are out of touch, not taking care of you, out of control and that the changes that are happening in this country, which are very scary to a lot of people are the fault of democrats who aren't taking care of business. >> what are the issues that they're using to sort of bring them in young, and also who are these far right celebrities that are attracting them? >> yeah, so you have far right celebrities like charlie kirk or candace owens who i write about in my book, but you also have, you know, you see someone like kyle rittenhouse who's a celebrity, beloved on the right. this is the kind of thing they're able to do. it's a celebrity making machine, and young people love kyle, and they love charlie, and they love candace. the issues they focus on are culture war issues.

these guys want to stay away from what are the democrats really doing. they don't want to talk about build back better, they don't want to talk about dobbs, they don't want to talk about the environment. they want to talk about lefty kids on campus are dangerous, biden is falling off his bicycle all the time. the democrats are old. look at these homeless people, everything is chaotic and out of control. transgender folks want to take over, you know, culture war issues to stay away from actual issues which might get people really thinking about what dems are doing for them. >> you spend a lot of time reporting this out. four years, you embedded with a lot of these groups, you really understand it. where are they looking for these young kids. let's say, who is they, who are the people these young kids and who is "they." who are the people doing all of this training? >> the train has been built up for a long time. there's an organization called the leadership institute, started in the late 1960s, early 1970s. the leadership institute is basically creating foot soldiers for the right. it is housed in a building

outside of d.c. the leadership institute raises $25 million a year to teach kids how to activate, how to door knock, granular stuff, what you should put on your pamphlet, what you should put on your sign, what color you should put on your sign, when you door knock, should you walk on someone's lawn, how you should convert people. this is the type of stuff kids are learning. as you can imagine, we're living in a very weird world now where the conservatives are the one who seem to be very in touch with how people communicate and what is going on politically. so what did the conservatives do, they started teaching kids, we're going to teach kids how to run for school board office and talk about all this ctr stuff. so it is -- and it is invasive and big and it is very organized. >> kyle, is this at all a regional thing? are there parts of the country where young people, where they're finding young people more receptive to these ideas

and this pitch? is it, you know, a rural, suburban. how would you describe the places where this phenomenon is happening? >> so, originally, this phenomenon was really focusing on college campuses, right? and the idea was, we're going to get these college kids. but what we've seen in the last 10 to 15 years, the way people use social media, is a lot of these activists realize, these young activists, that they didn't have to just focus on college campuses. that that didn't really scale. what really scaled was to go online and talk to people on social media. and then you could get millions and millions and millions of people. and these right-wing activists like charlie kirk at turning point usa and like young americans for liberty, which is another group i follow, these guys are online and they are working on messaging on a daily basis to figure out, what is the most coherent message to get kids attracted to them. so they can get them at all corners, right? they can get them at all corners. what i argue in my book, when you see groups like the proud boys and the oathkeepers, and a

lot of people find them to be the most alarming right-wing groups, but those are very radical groups that are going after fringe kids. these groups are going after mainstream kids, your kids, my kids on college campuses and beyond. >> the book is titled "raising them right: the untold story of america's ultra-conservative youth movement and its plot for power." very compelling. kyle spencer, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. and still ahead, a live report from georgia, where former president obama will be today to try to get out the vote. we'll also head to arizona for a look at the origins of the poll watching movement. and the increasing number of threats that we are seeing there. and we'll speak with michigan's democratic attorney general, dana nessel about what's at stake in her race for re-election. later, donny deutsch will be

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i guess they learned it from their top guy who mocks and bullies people, but also has a problem with stealing classified documents and has like four different legal investigations against them. but they're so cool because they can make fun of joe biden's stutter. it's really -- i guess it's fun for them. they can get a jab in. but i learned in school, i think i learned from my parents that it's not that cool to be cruel to people. and to kind of have this sick humor about people's appearances. i mean, would hugh hewitt or rana mcdaniel like for someone to make fun about their appearance and go tweet about it or -- i don't think they would like that. i think they would find that very hurtful. >> you would think so. but remember, if you're wondering if rana mcdonald -- she changed her name for donald trump. she took the romney out of there at his request.

even dr. oz has taken that on. he's trying to inject a little trumpism, when he said, when he got caught in the crudites mess, he said, maybe if john fetterman ate some more vegetables, he wouldn't have had a stroke. you're attacking a guy who was the victim of a stroke. there are criticisms of his debate question. without question, voters may decide they don't want him to be the senator because of that stroke. but to use it as a political cudgel, it's grotesque, but it's the way the party operates now. >> and there are 11 days to go until the midterms. and in the final stretch, both democratic and republican candidates will be joined on the campaign trail by former presidents. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has the details. >> reporter: in pennsylvania, what could be the senate majority maker, democrat john fetterman and republican mehmet oz's race going down to the wire. overnight, fetterman, fresh off his shaky debate performance, following a stroke, insisting he'll be much better in the new

year. >> i rely on the judgment on real doctors, not a fake doctor like dr. oz, that has spent his entire campaign ridiculing it. >> reporter: the political pressure facing democrats picked up on a hot mic thursday on the tarmac in upstate new york. >> hey. >> reporter: senate leader chuck schumer giving president biden a candid assessment of the state of the pennsylvania race. >> looks like the debates didn't hurt us too much in pennsylvania. >> the president gesturing with fingers crossed. later delivering a pointed message. touting economic gains and warning voters what he says republican control of congress would mean. >> they're determined to cut social security, medicare, and they're willing to take down the economy over it. >> reporter: but republicans blame the president and democrats for skyrocketing prices. >> we've watched what one party control has done to this nation. inflation, we haven't seen in 41

years. >> reporter: with just a week and a half to go, both sides are now rushing in reinforcements, like former president trump and obama. mr. obama is starring in a new campaign ad in pennsylvania. >> when the fate of our democracy and a woman's right to choose is on the line, vote democrat. >> reporter: before hitting four states in five days, beginning today in georgia, to help boost senator raphael warnock, a race senator schumer on that tarmac appeared to express doubts about. warnock is facing a challenge if republican herschel walker, who is denying an allegation from a second anonymous woman, who says walker pressured her to have an abortion in the early '90s. >> we can't stay asleep at the wheel. there are sneaky people, they are sneaky right now. they will lie to you. >> that was nbc's peter alexander reporting. jonathan lemire, sam stein, and

gene robinson are still with us. joining the conversation, author and msnbc political analyst, ana giridharadas. his new book called "the persuaders." and we're looking at all the different races at stake and law close things are, anand. and i'm wondering what your takeaway is from the democratic message. because it seems like there are a lot of key issues, that are either legislative wins, or key issues that mean so much, especially to women, like abortion. but i think of jen psaki's interview with the mother of four, holding the door of her house because two of her kids are home and they're banging on the door. and you know what, all she cared about was getting through the next couple of days and figuring out how to make $400 get through the week. >> and i spent a lot of time doing what she did for that

work, watching canvassers go door-to-door. and that's absolutely right, that there's a lot of complexity in how voters are actually living these times. and i think it's why i came away in "the persuaders," with a kind of manifesto. right now in this moment, democrats need to buck up and actually meet those voters who are going through these various struggles, who have these various fears and anxieties, meet them with a thrilling, galvanizing story about where they want to take this country, right? and not just say gas prices went down by 10 cents, please don't be mad at me. i don't think that can be the closing argument. i think there needs to be an extraordinary, vivid portrayal of the future. and right now, i see well-meaning pundits coming on this network and others and kind of talking down, talking down this fight against fascism in this country. and saying, well, fetterman has misused some words or not sure about this.

let's look at the facts. the early voting is extraordinary this year. people are motivated to fight for their freedoms. women are motivated and the men who love them to fight for their bodily autonomy. people are motivated to beat back people who would rather burn this country down and its institutions down rather than share it with all of us. so i think we need to, in these final 11 days, step it up, ditch the despair, and actually tell a beautiful picture, and i would love to hear from joe biden, a vivid picture of what the world looks like. what america looks like, if we win. not just these guys are bad, not just, these outragers are bad. not just these problems can get a little bit better, but what does the future look like if we win. >> let me push on that. right now, we do hear from the president. he is clearly framing this election as a choice, not a referendum, which often midterms are. and he is focusing on the negatives that the republicans would bring were they to regain power. we know from polling that there are some existential issues on

there. democracy itself. abortion rights. therefore, a woman's right to choose and people's independence. we also know that they trail, the concerns of voters, day-to-day economics. things cost more. people are dealing with that every single day. what thrilling story can the democrats tell about an economy that worries so many? >> a story about a country created with the idea of freedom and justice for all that has failed to live up to that in its opening days and years and has gotten better. and is trying now to extend freedom and opportunity for all, freedom and justice for all. including freedom from economic hardship. and it's important on this shall of prices to note the role of corporate profits, of billionaire profiteers in an age of oligarchy, as we've talked about in this show. where is all of that money going? where is that money that you're paying in extra cents and dollars at the gas station or at a store? who is it going to? if you've been paying attention in this era, it is the corporate

barons, the democratic parties has programs to tax more, has programs to regulate more and should do that if it has more senate seats, more house seats. but more importantly, you can't just say, we are going to reduce the bad stuff. we're going to reduce the harm. you have to say why you are fighting and who you are fighting for and why all the hatred and bile that has infiltrated this campaign. the far right is spreading that in america, precisely so that people do not come together, working people, people of all colors, people of all backgrounds do not come together and fight for an economy that works for everybody. that has been the mission of the far-right faction from the inception of this country, to keep people divided, so they do not come together and fight for the economy economy that works for them. and i think it's incredibly important to tell that story of ever-expanding freedom now. freedom from the body and freedom to live the kind of life where your kids can thrive, you can thrive, you can have great housing, you can have a great job, you can have economic

security, and you can leave to your children a life better than yours. >> let me jump in there. it's one thing of a compelling message, and i grant you, that is a compelling message, but then you have to actually deliver it. my question, i guess is, the means of delivery. what we have seen is the president has not really been that publicly out there, compared to his predecessors. you just could look at the data. that's a strategic choice. but then you look at the platforms and the mediums, you know, you could tie this into elon musk buying twitter, even, how would you advise the white house and ally democrats to deliver the message that you've outlined eloquently? and is it impossible in this bifur indicated media age, where you just have these sort of tribal media ecosystems, to get those messages across. >> a lot of things are hard, but hard is not impossible, right? and i think, first of all, i think it is true that joe biden has undercommunicated. that's sort of one of the criticisms that i would make.

but in many ways, has overdelivered relative to anybody who would follow joe biden's presidential -- political career prior to the presidency. someone who proposed three separate trillion-dollar-plus spending bills to help people in his first year in office. so he has in many ways felt where the energy of the party is, felt an evolving political conversation in his own coalition. and followed it, and delivered as much as he could. i think the reality is, he needs to now narrate this. one of the problems we have on the political left is that we think things are self-explanatory. we think if you do the right thing or have the right thing in your heart, people will get it. one of the arguments of the persuaders is, there's nothing underneath the dignity of good leaders to overcommunicate, to narrate, to explain the work of selling these things to people is never over. and right now, it has been a bewildering era, the last seven

years in particular have been a time of extraordinary stress and kind of trauma, if you've lived in the trum era, as we all have. so i think it's incredibly important for the president to saturate the communication. he likes fdr, i'm told. bring back the fireside chats. let's update the fireside chats for 2022, right? drop them friday afternoon, 3:00 p.m., 4:00 p.m., tiktok version, youtube version, twitter version, different lengths, a modern, multi-media approach, but communicate us through this era. don't just leave republicans spewing bile about race, crt, all this made-up, ginned up respond. respond to it. explain why rupert murdoch would rather turn us all against each other than pay slightly higher taxes. explain why this country has sought to expand freedom, extend freedom to more and more people, explain why, frankly, this republican faction right now, this minority faction that wants to end liberal democracy in this

country, explain the heritage of this faction. the same faction that opposed integration. it was the same faction that opposed the end of slavery. the same faction that opposed women getting the vote. again and again, we have beaten this faction that wants to keep freedom only for the few. we have beaten them again and again. their record sucks in the long run. and we're going to beat them again and we're going to build a country for all of us, no exceptions. and it's time to buck up. >> anand, stay with us. we want to continue this conversation with democratic state senator mallory mcmurrow of michigan. a few speech she gave a few months ago where she pushed back against her opponent, essentially calling her a pedophile went viral. senator, it's good to have you with us this morning. there's so much what anand is talking about is reflected in your state. it's sort of a laboratory for all of these questions. there were people in michigan working very hard to overturn the results of the 2020

election. you now have close races for the governor, for the attorney general. what are you seeing in your state and what do you make of the case anand is making for stronger communication about the democratic message? >> willie, i think you're right. and my hope is that michigan and the women leading michigan become a model that the rest of the nation can follow. i can't tell you how disgusting it was the day opec cut oil production and we started watching the gas prices going up, i watched the michigan gop basically salivating and suddenly went into high gear to talk about how thrilled they were, effectively, that gas prices were going up, because finally they could blame it on the democrats. and we have been out there, i know attorney general dana nessel is coming up. she probably does more events across this state than any other elected officials i've ever seen, talking to people where they are, getting that message out, talking about the fact that we are protecting people's

rights. we are fighting for abortion access. governor whitmer proposed a direct cash relief for those most impacted by inflation and the republicans in our legislature rejected it. >> so, mallory, do you think, to anand's point, that there is a place in the democratic message to push back against lives, the lies and the disinformation that's out there? i worry about the message being too convoluted, but also, i worry about not pushing back against lies. >> we absolutely have to push back against lies. the fact of the matter is, they are lying to you, no matter who they are. the republican plan is to continue to provide tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals, to cut medicare, to cut social security, to make it significantly harder for the very people who are most impacted right now. and we're watching them trying to divide us every single day. so, we have to hit back against the lies, but we also have to

make the connection. so when they're out there talking about sexualizing children or pedophilia in schools, all of these things that are just horrific qanon-based conspiracy theories that are out in the open right now, make the connection, that they aren't actually putting up any plans to help fight inflation. they aren't actually putting up any plans to bring your health care costs down or make your life better, they are just blaming somebody you may have never met before, to make you believe that all of your problems are somebody else's fault. >> mallory, you walk this walk. i mean, you gave that speech. so what was been your experience of following that? your experience with voters? with michiganders? how have they reacted to the way you push back? >> i have been all over the state watching our state senate

candidates in every corner of michigan, we have an opportunity to flip the legislature from democratic to republican control for the first time in almost 40 years. and overwhelmingly, what we're hearing on the doors with voters, is voters are tired. they are tired of how horrible this rhetoric is, how vitriolic it is, how hateful it is in dividing us, and more than anything else, yes, there's economic stress. yes, there's stress about abortion. of course, there was stress about the election. but more than anything else, michiganders want, i want this to end. we've got to get back to normal. that's the case we democrats are making, is this election is how we take our state back and how we take our country back. >> anand, so just final thoughts here on this conversation, moving forward. are democrats nailing it in terms of addressing the issues versus what people are really feeling? because there are so many wins, there are so many bragging points and joe biden made them

very clear in his speech in syracuse yesterday, he came out swinging against republicans, calling them out by name, asking what their plans are, bragging about prescription drug prices, bragging about the inflation reduction act and pointing out what it will be able to do, talking about the chips act. i mean, this has been, like it or not, a successful presidency, in terms of him accomplishing his goals. but then you've got the people who are feeling something different. and a lot of it has to do with inflation. >> that's right. and so i would say, in closing this out, you know, i would give them three mantras for this home stretch in the next many days. and all of them drawn from these organizers that i have been writing about in "the persuaders." number one, meet people where they are. which is your point about prices. i see every day on tv still, people on the left coming on and saying, you say you're worried

about gas prices, voters, but democracy is more important. there is no gas if there's no democracy. we've got to stop doing this. meet people where they are. explain -- validate what they care about. it doesn't matter if they care about gas prices more than democracy. don't insult them. explain them to that democracy is choosing leaders and empowering you to choose leaders who will fight for the gas prices you want and the insulin you want and all the other things you want in your life. second, it's important to paint the beautiful tomorrow. it's not enough just to minimize harms. what do we get if we go with you. and we have really had a lack of vivid beautiful story telling of the kind of that, you know, meacham talks about in great speeches in american history. and finally, tell the better story about america. the right should not own -- people who are trying to cosplay like a civil war in their

backyard do not own the story of america. there is a phenomenal story to tell about an imperfect story founded in beautiful ideals that is trying to get better, just like people get better. that is trying to build a country made of the world, a country with opportunities for everyone, no exception. and it is getting closer, has gotten closer through the labors of millions of people, the fights fought by millions of people. it has gotten closer than ever to realizing what it said it would be at the founding. and right now, at that 11:00 hour, for that dream, a small-hearted faction wants to stop our progress, because they don't want to share this country. and they would rather break it than share it. and we have to tell the story that is a more compelling story of america. i think we have to reclaim patriotism and the flag. senator mcmorro is a hero of mind. i want to send her a copy of "the persuaders." she did this so incredibly well. and we have to remind people that our vision of america is more compelling, it is more true to what the founders intended, even if they weren't brave

enough to implement it at the time and summon people to something that is not just more righteous, but more exuberant, more fun, and frankly, better for their bottom line than the dastardily vision, the narrow vision, the hateful vision, the lying vision the other side is offering. >> the new book is entitled "the persuaders: at the front lines of the fight for hearts, minds, and democracy." an and giridharads, thank you very much. in michigan, state senator mallory mcmurrow, it's always great to have you on. thank you, as well. willie qunchts. let's turn to the war in ukraine. russian president vladimir putin says he is no intention of using nuclear weapons, insisting it is the west to blame for the conflict. nbc news correspondent cal perry has more. >> reporter: facing growing pressure at home over ukraine, a defiant russian president.

vladimir putin blaming his invasion on the west, saying they wanted this conflict. one day after overseeing russian nuclear drills, now putin saying he has no intention of using nuclear weapons. but in ukraine, putin's war is everywhere. the battle rages and civilians are again caught in the middle. in russian-occupied kherson, the fighting is fierce, just as the ukrainian army looked poised to break through, a cruel twist as the russian army forcibly removed civilians, saying anyone who remains will be treated as an enemy. and in kyiv, the reality of this war is never far. these are the wives of ukrainian pows held by russia. we med ivana, her 26-year-old husband, dmitry, disappeared four months ago fighting in the east. >> i worry about him and we want him back home.

>> cal perry reporting for us from ukraine. where is the white house right now on this question right now. joe biden obviously out on the campaign trail, occupied with the midterms. but putin, that four-hour speech yesterday, again, blaming the west, spouting conspiracy theories about what actually is happening in ukraine. what more is the white house planning to do here? >> well, first of all, the white house knows not to take vladimir putin at his word. you know, let's remember, the russian ambassador just three days before the invasion of ukraine said, russia has no intention of doing so. then they did. we should be clear, u.s. officials have never, at any point during this conflict seen any signs from moscow that they were mobilizing any parts of their nuclear arsenal. so that still remains true. president biden though, yesterday, when asked about putin's remark, said, well, if he has no intention of using them, why does he keep talking about them? which, of course, is unnerving every time that putin does so. setting aside that headline, the rest of that speech, when putin delivers one, he delivers one, four hours. it was a lot of the same grievances about ukraine.

a real push to the international conservative movement. he was terribly homophobic in his speech. he's trying to unite those in the far right in europe and the united states to support kroon. but we've seen the ukraines counteroffensive in a number of key areas continues to make slow but steady progress and the war continues to go badly for putin. he's spending time on his side, that the unity of the alliance, both here in the united states, rumblings from republicans about what they'll do if they get the control of the house, will they cut off funding, as well as your europe, which is about to have a cold, dark winter. putin believes time is on his side. it's up to the west, the administration at the front of this to make sure that he's wrong. >> and still ahead on "morning joe," more from michigan. the state's attorney general, dana nessel, will be our guest. plus, we'll go live to georgia ahead of president obama's visit to the state. and senate majority leader chuck schumer, caught on a hot mic, with his thoughts on how key races are going for the

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former president barack obama is throwing his political weight behind democrats in key swing states. today, obama will join senator raphael warnock and gubernatorial nominee stacey abrams in atlanta at an event aimed at rallying black voters to the polls. meanwhile, in pennsylvania, the former president is starring in a new campaign ad, focused on, quote, the fate of our democracy, and a woman's right to choose. let's take a look. >> in pennsylvania, you've got some important choices to make this year. so when the fate of our

democracy and a woman's right to choose is on the line, vote democrat on november 8 president. >> all right. gene robinson, how much of an impact do you think barack obama barack obama can have in some of these battleground states where when you talk to some voters, that are not voting for democrats, the fix is in for them. they don't seem to care about the facts. >> i don't think he's going to persuade a lot of dyed in the wool republicans or people who have made up their mind to vote republican to switch. what he's going to try to do is drive democratic turnout and get democrats who don't usually vote in midterms, and there are a lot of them, to vote in this one. in the places he's going. he's talking to people in

democrats, he's going to go to some places where he can drive african-american turnout in particular or hopes to do that because that could make a huge difference. the early voting in atlanta in georgia suggests that african-americans are coming out early to vote in large numbers and that sort of thing is very hopeful for democratic candidates. so that's what barack obama is going to try to do and he is arguably the most popular person in the party, i would say, not arguably, i think he is. >> it's also all hands on deck in the state of pennsylvania. democratic senate candidate is speaking out after his difficult debate performance this week. in an interview with joy reid, fetterman was asked how his stroke recovery might impact his

ability to serve as senator if he were to win. >> all of our doctors believe we are absolutely fit to be serving. and one of the things we always remind everybody is that by january, i would be much, much better. but oz will still be a fraud. and, you know, and i rely on the judgment on real doctors, not a fake doctor like doctor oz, that spent his entire campaign ridiculing it and counting how many words that i might miss. again, i acknowledge that, of course, any debate is going to be easy for somebody in recovery. and we want -- thought it was important to be there, and we showed up. >> democrats also playing a little defense, believe it or not, in the state of new york. senate majority leader chuck schumer was in syracuse yesterday for the president's visit to that city. while they were on the tarmac, a hot mic picked up schumer's assessment of where democrats stand in key senate races. we've put the verbatim quotes on

the screen in case it's difficult to hear them over those plane engines. take a look. them over those plane engines. take a look. >> speaking of that turnout, georgia voters indeed are shattering early voting records for midterm elections. more than 1.1 million people already have cast their ballots in person. that's over half a million more votes than at this point in the last midterm elections in 2018.

so jen psaki, a lot to digest there. we heard senator schumer's assessment to joe biden of where things stand. what's your sense of talking to your former colleagues in the white house and democrats working on these campaigns about how they feel, where the focus should be? >> first of all, the hot mic will get you every time, chuck schumer. i think what you heard is similar to the conversations democrats are having behind the scenes and a lot of people i've talked to as well. people are fearful about where the momentum is going. yes, there are encouraging signs, like the record early vote numbers. but numbers in some of the house rates are not where they should be. people are trying to get -- a lot of people i talked to are worried about voters being encouraged and excited about people at the top of the ticket. and maybe not excited enough to vote for the congressional candidates and that's a real concern. so i think it's a reflection of the fact that democrats are

worried about where this is going right now and it's felt worse over the last week or so. we only have 11 days to go. that's why you see barack obama, joe biden, all of these people out on the trail. they're trying to light a fire with democrats right now. >> and jen, i want to focus in on pennsylvania and big picture with john fetterman and dr. oz. i do think all of this attention on his stroke has taken away from a point that he made so well in his interview yesterday. and that is that, you know, he'll continue to get better. people do have strokes. people have strokes earlier in life, people have strokes later in life and people recover from strokes. but dr. oz will still be dr. oz. let's talk about who that is. because it's all been so distracted from, number one, he is someone who has misled his viewers on the dr. oz show, for years, he was even brought into washington and grilled by lawmakers for his quack recipes and fixes for medical addictions

that didn't work. conditions. and the very person who created him, oprah winfrey, i don't see her anywhere. i don't think she wants to get anywhere near him and yet the focus is on this stroke, i think he really brought it home. you went to pennsylvania, you're talking to voters. what are they talking about. >> i was in braddock, the home of john fetterman and spent about six hours following canvassers around and listening to their conversations with people at the door and what won't surprise you at all, these conversations are so different from what they're hearing about in washington. people are talking about, yes, they're concerned about abortion rights, but a lot of times they go straight to their concerns about access to health care and paying for child care and the economy. people have a lot going on. and really, my biggest takeaway

was, there's a disconnect between washington and how we talk about a lot of these issues and how voters and people in the country actually talk about them. none of these canvassers were going to the door and saying, listen, we're going to codify roe. are you with us? that's not how they talk. what should be encouraging to the fetterman team, and i was in his hometown. everyone there we talked to or they talked was supportive of him, they liked him, they knew who he was. the canvassers, i followeded up with them, what they said, yes, the debate performance is coming up a little bit in the philly suburbs so far in bucks county, and it may be that a lot of people have decided and right now, it's about where the energy is, and who's going to actually get out and vote. >> coming up, a morning joe exclusive. nbc's vaughn hillyard has the first look at a new ad from liz

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for the first time ever, outgoing republican congresswoman liz cheney has publicly endorsed a democratic house candidate. cheney endorsed two-term michigan congresswoman, elissa slotkin this week. with the campaign announcing the two congresswomen will host a joint rally next tuesday in lansing. cheney, who was once the number three-ranking republican in the house had never before publicly endorsed a democrat. in a statement released by the slotkin campaign, cheney wrote,

while elissa and i have our policy disagreements, at a time our nation is facing threats at home and abroad, we need serious, responsible, substantiative members like elissa in congress. in response, slotkin's opponent, republican state senator tom barrett released a statement that read in part, now establishment war hawks like liz cheney and elissa slotkin are standing together because i oppose their senseless thirst for more foreign entanglements. both real clear politics and the cook political report list the battle to represent michigan's seventh district as a toss-up. we'll watch that race. but let's pull back to 20,000 feet. this is why we have jon meacham here. this race and this endorsement, meacham, represents the battle for the soul of america. what's at stake here? what do you make of liz cheney's choice to back up elissa slotkin? and do you think it will have an

impact in the long run? >> liz cheney is putting country above party. she is not just talking about it, she's not just away from, as jen said, away from the hot mic. she's not just saying, oh, we really need to do something about this extremism and trump. she has put her political career really not in jeopardy, but she has ended her for now her hold on elective office for a principle. and that's what we are supposed to want in principled leaders in a democracy. it's public virtue in action. and she's really margaret j. smith from our time. she denounced joe mccarthy, and did soy saying that principle mattered more than party and principle -- and this is the

hard part in a midterm election, 11 days out. but the cheney news and her statement there actually manifests this point. this really is a midterm, i believe, personal opinion, take it or leave it, obviously, that the principles of politics as a mediation of differences. and obeying the rule of law, that is more important in this hour, i believe, than any particular policy disagreement or debate. i just do. i wish that we could sit around and argue about marginal tax rates or, you know, colas and social security. that would be lovely, right? and -- but we can't. because there are so many people who simply want to grab power by any means necessary and in order to advance their own interests and put the entire institutional

experiment towards a more perfect union towards jeopardy. and i just think that's where we are. i don't mean to sound hyperbolic, but this is not hypothetical. this is what they say they want to do and at a certain point, you have to take people seriously. i think what liz cheney has done is remarkable. i wish more people would do it. i think that not just history but people of goodwill around the country should honor her for it and listen to her. and vote for representative slotkin. and i say that, by the way, not as -- i'm not a democrat. i voted for republicans and democrats. and, you know, i live in tennessee. when i say i have conservative friends, that's redundant. you know, this is not a crazy, partisan thing to say. it is, i think, a genuine stress test for citizenship for all of us. >> john, we talk about the stakes. you and i got a chance to sit at

an event a couple of nights ago and talk about your excellent book, which is number two on "the new york times best seller book, only behind some harry potter book. we need to investigate the numbers on that one. but anyway, you were talking about 1865. and i would, even a few months ago, and definitely in the last couple of years, you've always said, well, yes, we're divided, but it's not quite 1968 yet. and i heard in your voice the other night, you said, you know, this is actually as divided as we've been since 1865 and around the civil war. so, what are the stakes, if you talk, you know, to have a grand conversation at 617 in the morning. what are the stakes here? >> the stakes are, for years, i have argued and wanted this to be more like 1933 or even 1968. and imagine a world where you say, you would like it to be like 1968, right? 46 americans every day died in vietnam on average. dr. king, senator kennedy were

killed. the democratic convention descends into chaos and violence. george wallace gets 13.5% of the popular vote and carries five states in the general election in 1968. 1933, fdr comes into office at an hour of immense distrust and crisis with economically and confidence in the institutions. here's the difference. and here's why i do think that we're in more of a 19th century moment. herbert hoover didn't call the election results a big lie, and in 1934 put a bunch of hoover election deniers on the ballot in order to set up a 1936 comeback. that didn't happen. vice president humphrey didn't put a bunch of election deniers on the ballot for 1970 in order

to stage a comeback in 1972. everything i just said is unfolding now. and what happened in the 1850s was not just a clash of policy, but a clash of fundamental understandings of reality, of identity, of power, and that had to be adjudicated by the sword. i don't think we're there, but i don't think we do ourselves any favors by pretending that this is somehow just all going work out. probably what i admire so much about liz cheney is, i have a bunch of republican friends. so does everybody sitting here. who want this to be, i kind of think of it as a -- remember brigadoone, the musical, where this has place that flies around and comes never hundred years. somehow or another, it just comes back and trumps god.

and we're going to, you know, get back to arguing about spending. and but that's a fantasy. they have to confront this directly. and if they don't, the party will continue to be a vehicle for an unconstitutional way of being. >> coming up, senator raphael warnock has been hesitant to directly attack herschel walker. but the dnc is not. we'll show you the committee's new ad, taking aim at the former football star's troubled past. "morning joe" is coming right back. troubled past. "mniorng joe" is coming right back it's the subway series menu! 12 irresistible subs... like #11 subway club. piled with turkey, ham and roast beef. this sub isn't slowing down any time soon. i'll give it a run for its money. my money's on the sub. it's subway's biggest refresh yet.

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quick shot of los angeles for you. welcome back po "morning joe." it's the fourth hour. 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. we have a lot to get to this hour including president joe biden's closing message ahead of the midterms as new reporting says some top democrats are worried the election will be worse than polls predict. plus, some people monitoring ballot drop boxes in arizona are being accused of voter intimidation. nbc's hill jaune hill -- vaughn hillyard will join us. and the first look at a new ad from liz cheney's political pac taking on members of her own party. but first, willie, major breaking news. >> disturbing breaking news just in to us, mika. the husband of house speaker nancy pelosi was violently attacked inside his home in san francisco, the home he shares with speaker pelosi. she was not there at the time.

the office said early this morning a person broke into the pelosi residence in san francisco and violently assaulted paul pelosi. he was taken to the hospital where he is receiving medical care and is expected to make a full recovery, thank goodness. the suspect is in custody. authorities are investigating a motive. as i said, speaker pelosi was not in san francisco at the time. jonathan lemire, we've been digging into this, making phone calls. what else do we know here? >> we don't know a ton more yet, but we have a statement from the speaker's office. i'll read it. this is from drew hamel, spokesman for speaker pelosi. "early this morning, an assailant broke into the pelosi residence in san francisco and violently assault pld pelosi. the assailant is in custody and the motivation for the attack is under investigation. mr. pelosi was taken to the hospital where he is receiving excellent medical care and expected to make a full recover. the speaker was not in san francisco at the time. the speaker and her family are grateful for first responders

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