something that mark zuckerberg can make a decision of what the algorithms on facebook do today, ro khanna can't do anything about hate speech on the internet right now, mark zuckerberg can, and unfortunately, elon musk can, too. the other thing about elon musk is the company doesn't make any money. so he's going to have to fire a lot of people and that includes content moderators. so it also includes people running security for twitter, so your account could theoretically get hacked more recently or twitter dms could get hacked more easily. this will have real consequences and we're in a very delicate time. the time could not be worse. >> linette lopez, thank you. it is always better to have conversations face to face and they're always better. >> that will do it for us on this crazy friday. hallie jackson will pick up our coverage about the developing story about paul pelosi right now. don't go anywhere. right now. don't go anywhere. breaking news, as we come on

the air from washington with new details and the brutal assault of the husband of nancy pelosi. police saying in the last 90 minutes or so that the person arrested for the attack will be booked on several charges, attempted homicide, burglary, more. nbc news has learned he shouted where is nancy before using a hammer on the speaker's 2-year-old husband during an overnight break-in at their home in san francisco. we have our team standing by with the new headlines and more and what sources are telling us, and why that is getting the attention of national law enforcement and capitol police. i'm hallie jackson in washington. joined by nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter, justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, ryan nobles is with us on capitol hill and we're also joined by carmen best, former seattle police chief, and msnbc law enforcement analyst. before i get to all of you, our team, i want to make sure people know where we are and where we're going with this. because we do know some things. we don't know some things. here's what we know. we know that paul pelosi, according to police was attacked by a hammer.

he is hospitalized. he is recovering according to officials. the suspect here was arrested. charges include attempted murder, among other things. and an nbc news source tells us the suspect yelled where is nancy at some point during the attacker. there are some outstanding questions here, first among them, what kind of security did the pelosi home have? we will get into security for high profile lawmakers like speaker pelosi in a second. what do we know about the motivation behind the attack? and what are the next steps? tom, let me get to you first. we didn't get a ton of new information from the brief police conference that police held but let's play what he did say. >> he violently assaulted him with the hammer. our officers immediately tackled the suspect, disarmed him, took him into custody, requested emergency backup and rendered medical aid. the suspect had been identified as 42-year-old david depape. >> tom, tell us more about what

we know about the attack around the suspect. >> we know he is 4i years old. last known address in the berkeley area and we're trying to drerm what his prior history was. one of those things that speaks to some of the questions that you have there, hallie, is motivation. and so we don't know yet from law enforcement what they believe at this point to be the motivation behind the attack. as you alluded to, he supposedly said "where is nancy, where is nancy," at some point. according to the preliminary reports from law enforcement. and as we know, hallie, as investigations develop, sometimes those things change. as far as this individual and what happened here, how they got into the home, an enormous question. was there something that wasn't locked that should have been? was there some sort of an alarm system that should have been armed that wasn't? or perhaps it was and that's what gave paul pelosi a leds up that something was amiss here. we do know, and this is standard practice, that there was no protective detail for the husband of the house speaker. but there's not a protective detail for any spouses of members of congress.

that's something that speaker pelosi by her position is afforded and something that she has. she was not home at the time of the attack. we also zoo know whether or not the individual brought the hammer that was allegedly used here. was it something that he picked up in the home? was it something that paul pelosi picked up to defend himself when somebody was all of a sudden inside of his home at 2:27 in the morning. also who called police. will is some indication it might have been paul employeesy who made the call to -- paul pelosi who made the call to 911 and came out as a home break-in and a priority a wellness check. at some point there is something obviously that the dispatcher hears that leads her to call it out as a priority a which in regular english essentially moves as fast as you can, to police, to get to that location. so stlaes what we -- so that's what we know as far as the, it of this and we do expect charging documents to drop in the next couple of hours which hopefully will provide more details.

>> tom, one second, let's go back, miguel almaguer is posted in san francisco outside police headquarters. you are on the ground, miguel. talk to us about what you're seeing. >> reporter: we're certainly looking for additional information from the san francisco police office and we played those clips from the press conference, there is only a limited amount of information that they're willing to share. obviously when police say they arrived on the scene, they came it a struggle they saw between paul pelosi and the suspect. they said both men had their hands on the hammer as they were fighting for control of that hammer. obviously, mr. pelosi was seriously injured. he was rushed to zuckerberg general hospital, which is only a few miles away from the family home. from our understanding, he is still in surgery. and said though, according to the speaker of the house's own statement, going to fully recover. we are also, our understanding is that nancy pelosi is on her way to san francisco, most likely directly to the hospital, that's something we're working to confirm with the family as well. police say they still have a lot

of questions here. and they're trying to update their investigation as the day progresses, hallie. >> we know you live in california, and it is well known that speaker pelosi obviously lives in california, in san francisco, there had been things like protests near her home in the past, i believe, or at least there is the knowledge, right, that she lives in the city, she and her husband are there. tell us more about that piece of it. this is obviously an incredibly well-known person. somebody with a huge fascial profile in politics and beyond. san francisco is full of famous people, well-known people as well. >> reporter: yes, when nancy pelosi is home, her neighbors say it is very obvious she is home. she has a very large security detail. they can be seen all around the house. they say when she moves in and out of the neighborhood, she is always with that security detail. so to them, it's quite obvious when the speaker of the house is here at her home in san francisco. when she's not here, they say it is also obvious she is out of town because they don't see that large security presence that travels with the speaker of the

louse. when paul pelosi was at home overnight, he did not have that security detail there. the neighbors assumed the speaker of the house was not there, when they heard about all of this, this morning, they say they knew right away that she was in washington, d.c., and every time the speaker of the house travels through the sflan san francisco area and they know she's here even if they don't see her. >> she travels with an entourage. thank you miguel. i want to bring in jake ward who is also in san francisco. ryan nobles on capitol hill. ryan, to you first. because there is a lot of reaction now from both sides of the aisle, condemning this act of violence. >> reporter: yes, no doubt about that, and a tremendous outpouring of support for the house speaker from her colleagues here on capitol hill, and beyond. coming right from the top. the president of the united states, joe biden, issuing a statement saying that he had been in touch with the house speaker, and that he gave her his best wishes and prayed for

the speedy recovery of her husband paul pelosi. but we're also hearing from some of speaker pelosi's rivals here on capitol hill. including the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, who said that he also reached out to pelosi, and is glad to see that the assailant in this case, the suspect has been brought into custody. and the senate minority leader as well. mitch mcconnell, also expressing concern about the house speaker, her husband, and her family during this difficult time. now, we haven't heard from nancy pelosi herself. we don't know exactly where she is right now. she was in washington, d.c. when this incident happened. she was scheduled to be in washington, d.c. this weekend, for an event. hallie, this is obviously an incredibly busy time for the house speaker. she has been all over the country, stumping on behalf of democratic candidates ahead of the midterm elections. >> that's right. >> reporter: so it is not a surprise she wasn't at lome when this incident took place. but again, we're not exactly sure where she is at this point. her staff being very guarded

with her where-abouts, which of course doesn't come as a surprise given everything that happened. >> in this moment of incredibly high security, give us the lay of the land where you are. >> reporter: at this point, we are seeing people going in and out of the house and those are agents, not just the san francisco police department, we're seeing detectives from that department, but also agents from the capitol police as well as the fbi fbi, canvassing neighbors, going in and out of the house as this investigation deepens. the big question is how is paul pelosi. it is not clear what his status is. we know he was taken to zuckerberg hospital. the big trauma center here in san francisco. so he's getting care there. we're waiting to hear how he is doing. and at this point, you know, the shock of this, it is really the thing. standing where i am, in the pacific heights neighborhood, neighbors here say this is the kind of place if there is

anything suspicious going on, they immediately call the police. in this particular case, it was thanks to the very fast action of the emergency dispatcher who responded to the 911 call that officers arrived here as quickly as they did. a big code 1-a welfare check was fired up. and that really makes police turn on the sirens and blow through the lights and get here as quickly as they could and that seems to be why it was they seemed to encounter the attacker in the process, there was a struggle they witnessed over a hammer and that hammer unfortunately was used against paul pelosi before the attacker was then tackle and mr. pelosi was taken to the hospital. at this point, obviously his motivations are not crystal clear. the san francisco police department was quite vague about that in their brief press conference earlier today. but as you've heard from so many people, it seems that he did shout the name, nancy, as this began, and so the welfare of mr. pelosi and the motivation of the

attacker, those are the big questions at this hour. >> jake ward, thank you for being there for us. i know you will stay close to the camera and bring us updates as you get them. to jake's point, tom and ken, and what we've heard from sources, this idea that the suspect went in and shouted, where is nancy, where is nancy, essentially rules out the fact that somebody stumbles into a home. there is clearly a pelosi angle for nancy, and according to what we're told and 10 days out, 11 days out from the election, there is 144% increase in threats to lawmakers, and 1800 threats to members of congress. >> there has been a massive increase to politicians and other kinds of government employees such as election officials. in the five years after donald trump was elected president in 2016 the capitol police say threats against members of

congress increased more than ten-fold to 9600, and in 2021, and as you said, the capitol police say they have 1800 cases in the first quarter of this year. and not just members of congress. back in june, a plan with a gun arrested outside of the maryland home of the supreme court justice brett kavanaugh and the fbi is investigating at least 110 threats to election workers nationwide. but there have been relatively few prosecutions of these sorts of threats, because they're often made anonymously, and the perpetrators are pretty lard to find. meanwhile, the internet has made it relatively easy to find the home addresses of prominent people online, and the capitol police are straining to provide protection to all of the members of congress who need it. >> chief, what is the biggest priority of law enforcement out west and on the federal level? >> right now, obviously, they have going to be looking at all of the information that they can gather on the suspect. tom winter reported excellent as usual about information that they are able to ascertain, and

whether there were people involved, and interviewing family members, friends, anyone who may have had an association, looking through the social media posts, and the information that they can garner and gather as to motive. clearly, since it sounds like it is information that is preliminary, but it it is correct, if he did ask about where nancy pelosi was, that this would rule out this being random and this is very intentional and deliberate. and these attacks on public officials, and i would say, it is not just congress people, and i've heard it has gone up 144%, but any public official is at risk. and when i was a police chief, several demonstrators came to my neighborhood. we know that this continues, and that as time moves on, the actions can escalate. >> would it be appropriate in your view for law enforcement around the country to elevate the level of preparedness or readiness, as we are now just a week and a half out from election day?

in some instances that have happened already, and i'm curious your take on that. >> absolutely, and i think that already, many law enforcement agencies are preparing for, you know, being around and available for any issues that might come up around election offices and ballot boxes and that sort of thing, as we get closer to the midterm elections. >> ken, you talk about the federal law enforcement nexus here, it sounds as though they are the ones taking the lead on this, in addition to san francisco police, the capitol police as well, give us some insight into how that unfolds. >> we're speaking to a source earlier about that, the fbi has not taken this case yet, but it seems to be headed in that direction, because as soon as they develop any kind of a motive that is political, then that becomes -- there's an fbi jurisdictional nexus and they can take the case, and it's something that they're grappling with nationwide. you know, just today, a man was, pleaded guilty in federal court

in manhattan to threatening to kill eric swalwell, a democrat from california. this was not nearly as serious of a case, this guy says he was drunk and he made these calls, and nonetheless, he threatened the life of a u.s. congressman and now facing prison time. you know, they are trying to direct resources at these kinds of threats but again, these are really difficult cases to make. >> tom winter, to you. >> we have some new details coming in from our colleague adam reiss, who is a reporter and producer in our new york bureau, from a family member who is traveling with nancy pelosi, he says a couple of different things. paul pelosi is still in surgery. the family is praying for him. that the speaker is en route to san francisco. as we reported earlier. apparently, he was hit multiple times in the head with a hammer. he was believed to be home alone at the time. i think we may have mentioned that earlier. apparently, according to adam's reporting, the suspect was trying to tie him up, quote, until nancy got home.

when the police arrived, the suspect may have made a statement, allegedly along the lines of we are waiting for nancy. this kind of clears up something we were talking about just moments ago, according to this family member, to nbc news, the suspect brought the hammer and broke the windows in the backyard. we've seen some images of that, so that makes a lot of sense. and apparently, at one point, it was paul pelosi who called 911, when the suspect wasn't looking, he was apparently able to get at least a call into 911, which still we're waiting on more information, as far as the condition of the speaker's husband. he is expected to survive this. but the speaker's office has said, but clearly, he's been badly injured, as a result of this incident. so that's the latest from our colleague. >> so tom, you're breaking this news live on the air here on msnbc, and these are significant new details, and we ask our team in the control room to see if we can create a graphic to pull this up because will is --

because there is a lot of information. and first of all, break this down with the excellent summation with new reporting from a colleague, that a family member close to speaker pelosi, what are the outstanding questions, security. how did the person get into the pelosi's home in san francisco and it sounds as though, according to the sourcing here, took a hammer, broke the windows, right? came in through the yard. the tying up detail is i think relevant in light of the discussion on motivation here, to chief best's point, the suspect is saying where is francy, right, it rules out the possibility, or seems to, that this was any kind of a random attack so if this individual was in fact as the sourcing is indicating, tying up paul pelosi, waiting until nancy pelosi gets home, that is a significant detail. and then it was paul pelosi himself who called 911 when the suspect was not looking. which i think also tells you something about the security in the home at the time. >> yes, a couple of things that

i would address, and would imagine also chief best has some thoughts on the subject, one, i would think that for members of congress, particularly those that are as high profile as the speaker of the house of representatives, that there probably should have been and maybe there was, some sort of a panic alarm, tied at an alarm system at a residence of that, that could summon if need be law enforcement should there be an issue with, in a protective detail not being there, and though that is probably often not the case, and obviously the speaker has a detail with her. that's the first thing. second thing, the idea about this hammer, although this is singularly sourced to a family member of the pelosi family, i think it's easily corroborated by images we're now just starting to see from the backyard of this house, where there is glass all over the ground, and there is a form of a patio door that is clearly broken into. so it is on the opposite side of the image that we're looking at now.

so a lot of this is corroborated by what we're looking at. this speaks to the question that i'm hoping these charging documents that we were just discussing, hallie, get us to in a little bit, which is what did the suspect say. and it goes to motive. i mean is there another sentence beyond he was going to tie up the speaker or tie up paul pelosi until the speaker arrived? what did he intend to do at that point? what did he intend to say? i think that is critical to ascribing motive to this potential incident, because we do know this individual has had some issues perhaps with law enforcement in the past. there could be concerns and questions about mental illness. though certainly the more details we get here, it is becoming glaringly obvious that the speaker of the united states house of representatives was the intended target of something here, of an attack, that this person was armed with a hammer, and so the question is, why did he do this? what was the ultimate game plan

here? but it's clear that the speaker, and her well-being, was something that could potentially have been put into question. though as we have said, she would have had a protective detail if she was home at the time. >> chief best, your assessment of these new details just coming into us in the last five minutes? >> well it only validates a lot of what we believe was probably occurring there, in the first place, in terms of nancy pelosi being the intended target. i'm a little surprised that, you know, because she is second in line to the presidency, the president, the vice president and the speaker of the house, in terms of if anything should occur, that potentially should have been eyes on her residence at some point because of this, because of the heightened number of threats, and confrontations that public officials are seeing. particularly as we get closer to the election time. so none of this is shocking. we have seen a lot of, you know,

violence and threats against public officials. and this really, there is a heightened sense of alertness and awareness now around all of these people. >> and can we talk about what is next here? we know based on this person close to speaker pelosi, she is on her way to san francisco with family members and clearly wants to get to the hospital with her husband who we know is still in surgery according to the sourcing. we look at the potential of what is next here, maybe hearing part of that 911 call, we understand that based on this person close to speaker pelosi, the family is hoping there is a recording of there conversation, in order to provide more information. you can see here on the screen the new details that we're just learning and again, i want to be clear on the sourcing here, this is from somebody who is close with speaker pelosi, who is traveling with her. >> that's correct. so one, yes, the 911 call, and because our good friend and colleague andy blankstein covers

west coast law enforcement, i don't know the procedures in san francisco, if a 911 call is something that is releasable information and if it is prior to charges, or prior to the adjudication of any potential case here, so i don't know how soon we might hear that. presumably we might hear it at trial. that's the first thing. the second thing is, i would not be surprised, if this was anybody's house, let alone the speaker of the u.s. house of representatives, if there is some sort of a surveillance video, not only of the house, but at the neighbor's houses, so that might also be helpful to understanding how this all came about. i well, typically you don't get good audio off of those types of cameras. there are two surveillance cameras that i can see on the screen. so clearly there is video. clearly there is surveillance video. and so it will be interesting to see, and i would imagine quite helpful to investigators already what that video depicts and shows. >> tom winter, chief best, ken

dilanian, ryan nobles, thank you. and we will bring updates as we get them. new details are rolling in every couple of minutes here. we will have more later this hour and big news of the day, y with elon musk in charge and what he tweeted a couple of seconds ago about having people back on the platform and how it could affect you. and as we were coming on the air, a former capitol police officer who messaged a january 6th rioter. we will let you know what the jury decided after the break. l jury decided after the break if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. coricidin is the #1 doctor recommended cold and flu brand. specially designed for people with high blood pressure. be there for life's best moments. trust coricidin.

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a little bit of breaking news, former capitol police officer michael riley found guilty now on one count of obstruction for deleting messages he sent to a january 6th rioter. the jury was apparently not able to get to a verdict on the other counts against him even though they have been deliberating since tuesday. it is by far the longest we've seen any jury deliberate on a january 6th-related trial yet. nbc news justice reporter ryan

reilly has been following it for us. bring us up to speed. >> the phrase, it is not the crime, it is the coverup and that's essentially what michael riley has been convicted on, on this case, after deleting the messages after the fbi had talked with an fbi reuter to take down content on facebook. they were close 11-1, one of the jurors told our colleague daniel barnes and it was pretty clear we saw yesterday, when the jury came out for the day, one juror sort of came out ahead of the pack, and was sort of separated from the rest, generally, the jurors seem to get along really well and this one juror seemed to be a little bit separate from that and it was a close call and the government almost secured that guilty verdict on both counts. ultimately for sentencing purposes i don't think it makes a ton of difference because if he is sentenced on both charges, on both convictions, if he is con convicted, it would be

served concurrently and it may at the end of the day be the same outcome for the justice department just for the deleting the messages afterwards. there is one message that was sent to this january 6th rioter that was, that explains what he was getting at here, when he messaged this rioter, he said i'm a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance. take down the part about being in the building. they are correctly investigating, they are currently investigating and everyone who was in the building is going to be charged. just looking out. so when he was on the stand, michael had a little bit of trouble explaining exactly what he was trying to accomplish with this message, and insisting, he did send messages that indicated that he did want to actually hold people accountable, who had assaulted law enforcement officers who had broken into the capitol and had trouble explaining the message he was trying to get across and didn't want to admit what seems clear by the message, he was hoping to help this individual who he thought had just entered the capitol to avoid any charges in that case.

>> ryan reilly, thank you very much. to twitter, in the hands of world's richest man elon musk, convening what he is calling a content moderation council trying to figure out who can post and what they can say. he is expected to address staff at twitter headquarters at some point this afternoon. his first full day in charge. after close thrag $44 billion deal to buy the platform overnight. the first thing he did. fire a few people. include can the ceo, the cfo, and the person responsible for moderating harassment and disinformation on the platform. the prominent conservatives cheered those moves. and musk changed his bio to chief twit, the bird is freed. and it has a reputation of a digital downtown square that people are on and because he is taking twitter private he didn't have to update shareholders or the public about plans for the future. we have more with kariya swisher. thanks for being with us.

>> thank you. >> and part of this deal, musk agreed to this cash bid of more than $100 million for twitter employees, if he doesn't lay them off first. what does it mean for them, people who work here, who are presumably waiting for this town hall thing what is supposed to happen today? >> it depends who you are. if you have a certain contract, did you really well. if you're a shareholder, did you in credibly well because you got paid three times what the stock is actually worth. so it depends. other employees are going to be stuck. and he's made some promises about cash bonuses and everything else, he doesn't have to pay them, but he has promised to, and we'll see if he is going to. and the question, if he is going to keep everybody, and that will be up to him because he owns the company now. >> and talking about the tweet he just sent out about creating the content, moderation council, if you will, and he says with widely diverse viewpoints, basically, there are implications as it relates to twitter as a platform and free speech and what musk wants to do. >> yes. he thought the bird was free but apparently not. this is the oversight board and facebook, right? that's what mark zuckerberg was

trying to do. and when he actually sent one of these things to the oversight board, around trump, they pushed it back at him, because it was facebook's decision on what to do and mark zuckerberg's in particular. so it sounds to me like he is saying one thing and by the way we are not going to make any decisions until we have a board. ultimately the owner is responsible for the platform. and so he should be making the decisions, whether you like that or not, and he's going to go into a buzz saw of critics on other side, depending on what he decides. but you know, i don't think a group decision on this thing is ever going to be possible. but maybe. it's good to get viewpoints but there is plenty of viewpoints on twitter. >> there's a semi-outstanding, i'm sorry, you're right there, is a semi-outstanding question on donald trump, whether he will come back on the platform and the former president has said he's cool with truth social which is his own platform, we'll see how that shakes out. what is your anticipation on that front? of who gets back on and who gets kicked off? >> i don't know. this board is probably going to answer to the advertisers and

the advertisers aren't going to like letting everybody back on and the trouble and everything else, she. they already had advertising problems and i think elon musk wrecks he has to have a relatively civil plate to attract advertisers and i know with donald trump would be back in a new york minute and i know he is on truth social as a platform and that is not doing very well and neither is the others since he got kicked off. but we'll see. >> kara swisher, good to see you. thank you. still ahead on the show, which republicans congressman liz cheney is targeting in her first tv ad buy, first to nbc news. we'll take you out west with the answer. utah's senate race, a human being wildcard before election day, with independent candidate mcmullen trying to unseat the

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to the campaign trail now. 11 days out from election night.

and a big show of force. that is the headline today. all across the country. with some big names in the democratic party. and a show of force from gop big names, too. look what is happening today. bernie sanders making a few stops in nevada. pete buttigieg rallying in wisconsin for barnes. and president biden and vp harris will be together in pennsylvania for support for john fetterman. and barack obama will be with raphael warnock and stacey abrams in a few hours. i want to bring in ellison barber in college park, georgia and dasha burns in philadelphia. and the big guns come out. we have former president trump on the trail this weekend for republicans. including in florida. and ellison, you know, i was in georgia earlier this week, i asked raphael warnock, the senator about this rally and what it means to him tonight with former president obama. >> how important is it to you that former president obama will be here on friday by your side?

>> i look forward to connecting with the former president, in a couple of days, and what's more important, continually important, is that i continue the conversations that i've been having with the people of georgia about our work to pass the single largest tax cut of middle and working class families in american history. >> you are in georgia now. talk through the significance of former president obama being here, and what this might mean for the race. >> reporter: look, he is an incredibly popular figure among democrats. my colleague spoke to an adviser to former president obama and said in his speech tonight, the former president plans to highlight threats to democracy, talk about economic concerns and really try to make the case that democrats are the ones already in office who have voters' backs and are working on those issues.

obviously the former president as well as georgia democrats are really hoping that his star power, his popularity, will energize key constituents among the democratic base and get them to the polls. we saw record-breaking numbers in terms of early turnout in this state, particularly when we look at the numbers we're seeing right now compared to numbers we've seen in 2018, they're up across the board, but there are noticeable jumps, most significant jumps among older voters over the age of 50 as well as black voters. obama's presence, his advisers say they are hoping it will make young voters in particular enthusiastic and encouraged to show up to the polls at an incredibly critical time as well as black voters. you look at the numbers here, that senate race just could not be closer. the incumbent senator warnock, he is in a statistical tie with republican herschel walker. right now, when you look at the polling average, neither candidate is over the necessary 50% threshold in order to avoid a runoff.

and it was interesting, listening to warnock's answer that he gave you, because he often didn't like to talk about national political figures, he doesn't answer when people ask him if he thinks president biden should run in 2024. he likes to focus on his work and what he has done specifically for georgia. but tonight, the fact that he is going to be on stage with president obama, it is significant, and democrats are really hoping that it just adds to enthusiasm on the ground, and gets more of their people to the polls. >> ellison, thank you. dasha, let me turn to you now. because georgia obviously a key senate race, pennsylvania a key senate race. president biden has been to pennsylvania quite a bit and will be there along with vice president harris to build up support for john fetterman and it comes after a hot mic moment and tarmac moment with majority leader chuck shume -- schumer about fetterman and the debate and the final stretch. >> in the final stretch everyone

is bringing out the big guns. we just learned that trump is going to be here on november 5th, on saturday, in la trobe, campaigning for dr. oz and doug mastriano who is running for governor. you mentioned, it president biden has been spending a lot of time in the state. he was in pittsburgh, in philly, philly again, and we know that plans are coming together for him to come back once more to campaign for fetterman and for josh shapiro running for governor. and former president obama is also planning to come to this state as well. and i mean this just shows you how critical pennsylvania is and could be the deciding factor to change the balance of power in the senate. and right now, i am at the beating heart of elections here in philadelphia. and of course, philadelphia, with its massive population, could also decide the outcome here in pennsylvania, and therefore, decide what happens in congress as well. and we've been looking at the inner workings of election night

here, looking at the technology that they'll be using, on election day, and the security, hallie, the big difference this year, compared to elections past, the heightened security measures, because as we talked about, there are a lot of threats on election workers now, folks that never thought they would have to worry about their safety but the city commissioner said here she is having to talk with the fbi, to homeland security, which she never thought she would be doing, but in order to protect her employees, her staff, and the volunteers here, and to make sure that this election is run safely and with integrity. >> dasha burns, live for us in philly. thank you. back now to that breaking news out west on the attack on paul pelosi. of course the husband of house speaker nancy pelosi. we want to bring in jacob with us, along with ryan nobles on capitol and jake, we have learned fairly significant details about speaker nancy pelosi in the last half hour. >> we are learning some chilling specifics about what happened at the house you see behind me. according to a pelosi family

member, the attacker broke into the house through a backyard window, using that hammer, and paul pelosi was home alone at that time. the attacker then told paul pelosi that he intended to tie mr. pelosi up and then to wait for his wife, the speaker of the house, to come home, and at that point, somehow paul pelosi had the quick reaction, the quick instincts to wait until the intruder was distracted and then managed to dial 911 to summon police while it was happening and police arrived to find the attacker trying to tie mr. pelosi up, the attacker then told them that he was going to wait for nancy, and that is the time when mr. pelosi was then struck multiple times by a hammer. at this hour, the pelosi family says that mr. pelosi is in surgery, right now, as we speak, he's in surgery, they're praying for him. we do not know the nature of that surgery or the nature of his injuries. but the very specific and very

chilling details coming to light at this hour. >> let me turn to you, there has been widespread bipartisan condemnation against the violence of speaker pelosi's husband. and there is a moment that i think is picking up some steam in the last hour or so from the virginia governor, republican governor glenn youngkin out on the campaign trail supporting conservatives ahead of election day. tell us more about that and what you're hearing from his campaign. >> yes, this was an event that glen youngkin was a part of, involving a candidate in the seventh district in virginia against the incumbent abigail spanberger, where he was launching into some campaign rhetoric about trying to replace democrats in the upcoming midterm election. and that's when youngkin found a way to bring up the attack against paul pelosi, and then in kind of a strange way tied it to the election this fall. i think we have a clip of the governor. let's play it now.

>> speaker pelosi's husband, they had a break-in last night in their house and he was assaulted. there is no room for violence anywhere. but we will send her back to be with him in california. that's what we're going to go do. >> so we reached out to governor youngkin's office to try and get an explanation as to why he would tie a vicious assault of paul pelosi to the election in november and suggesting that nancy pelosi would be sent back to california to be with him in the context of the election. and the spokes person for the governor, kristen davidson told nbc, as the governor clearly said, the assault on paul pelosi was wrong, and there is no place for violence. he wishes him a full recovery and is keeping the pelosi family in his prayers. they also are disputing the characterization that he was joking about violence. they said that is a mischaracterization. he clearly said that the assault on paul pelosi was wrong and there's no place for violence. but if you watch it even, an

even more extended clip of it, it comes at such a peculiar time, there is no better way to describe it, he is in the middle of talking about this heated election, and all of the ways that republicans were going to beat the democrats, in the fall, and sneaks in this passing mention of paul pelosi, and then immediately ties it back to the election, it was uncomfortable at the very least. his office again reiterating that they wish paul pelosi a speedy recovery. >> ryan nobles live forbe us there on capitol hill. jake ward in san francisco beforehand. thanks to the both of you, as speaker pelosi and her family, we understand, from a source close to the family are now on their way back to san francisco to be with paul pelosi. we will keep you updated on any new developments as we get them. we're also going to take you out to utah where there is a heated race for senate there. the independent senate candidate evan mcmullin hoping to unseat republican senator mike lee right after this. o unseat republican senator mike lee right after this 600,000 vehicles

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to one of the bigger wild cards this election cycle. what nbc news is describings a sleeper race that may end up surprising you come election night. we're talking about utah where republican senator mike lee, who seemed kind of set to coast to re-election in reliably red utah, is now acknowledging he could be in a little bit of trouble. fending off a challenge from evan mcmullin, an independent looking to pull off an upset victory and making it the most competitive senate race there in utah in decades. if elected, mcmullin says he would stay an independent and would not caucus with republicans or democrats. joining us now, evan mcmullin, the independent utah senate candidate. mr. mcmullin, thank you for being on the show. >> great to be with you, hallie. >> sure. so let's start with this race and your platform here. you list strengthening our democracy and standing up to extremists as your number one focus. i wonder how that is resonating with voters in utah you're talking to considering that for republicans specifically jobs and the economy, the cost of living, rates as a more important issue to them. >> well, we're building a

cross-partisan coalition of republicans, democrats, and independents. and yes, protecting our system of self-government and standing up to the extremes who want to tear it down is a priority of mine. my others are lowering inflation, getting our fiscal house in order, lowering the cost of health care and making sure that we protect our air and water. we've got some severe challenges on those fronts. and maintaining a strong national defense. those are my five priorities. but what i say out here and what i truly believe is that we can't solve any of the major challenges that face our country if we don't have a functioning system of self-government. i served for over a decade in the cia and lived undercover in countries controlled by dictators and authoritarian regimes. they don't solve problems for people. and now some in our country are saying that democracy has failed and we need a strongman and they're telling us it won't be as bad as we think it will be. well, i know it would be. i've lived in those types of countries. we don't want that here. we need to protect our system of self-government. we need to make reforms to it,

yes. it's messy. i get that. but we will not overcome inflation or any of the other major challenges we face unless we've got a functioning democracy. and so that's why i campaign on that as well as the other issues, which again i believe are so related. >> we talked about how this is an interesting race, a sleeper race as our team here in the politics unit at nbc news has described it. so you would think that perhaps an endorsement from someone like senator mitt romney would be something that would be interesting. he is not endorsing you or your opponent. have you reached out to the romney team? do you plan to? >> well, look, he's a friend of mine and he's made his position clear in this race, that he's going to stay out of it. his refusal to endorse mike lee i think speaks volumes. he's the senator who -- >> does it speak more volumes than his refusal to endorse you? >> i'm an independent. mike lee is a republican. mike lee is mitt romney's colleague in the senate. i should let -- mitt romney can

speak to this himself. but it's unusual that a senator of one party would not endorse his colleague of the same party, especially when they're in a very tight race to hold on to their seat. so i think that speaks volumes. senator romney and i have a similar vision to how a senator should conduct himself in the senate. number one, maintaining one's oath to the constitution. senator lee has failed to do that when he tried to recruit fake electors to overturn the last election. and then also working with others across party lines and with your own colleagues to get things done. senator lee is one of the least productive and effective members of the senate. senator romney works every week with republicans and democrats to pass key pieces of legislation that help our country overcome major challenges. that'll be my approach if we prevail here. and that will better serve utah and the country. >> i want to follow up with you on something you said there but before i do because we're talking about the irks here, let me ask you about reproductive rights and abortion access. you've said you identify as pro life, you're against what you call extremes like bills that

would not allow exceptions for rape and incest. so help people understand. if a bill to codify roe "vice" wade came up next term and you are in the senate, is that something you would support or no? >> i would take a good look at any bill that actually has a chance of passing the senate, but so far what i'm seeing is not that. i'm seeing bills that are meant for messaging purposes or in some cases just to further divide americans on this issue. where i want to lead on this, hallie, is finding a more constructive way forward. this neverending tug of war over the law, these extremist bills that are being passed around the country, they're only tearing the country apart. they're creating public health crises as well. a more constructive way forward, and again, this is where i would like to lead, is making contraception more available, not less available, and doing more to support women, children and families. that's what will actually lower the abortion rate in america. in & most utahns in our coalition of republicans, democrats and independents here and i think across the country

can support that approach even while there are still difference zblpz i hear you and i just want to make sure i'm understanding this correctly. when i hear your answer specifically to the question of your support potentially for a bill that would codify roe, what i hear you say is you are not shutting the door to that. you would want to assess such a bill. is that fair? >> what i'm saying is i just -- first of all, i don't think that's exactly the bill we're going to see. i don't. i think we're going to see a lot of different kinds of bills that approach the issue in different directions. i do not expect to see a bill that exactly just codifies roe. i just don't think that's the bill that we're going to see. we're going to see different ideas. we're going to see different bills. they'll have different shapes. but so far i'm not seeing legislation that is actually intended to bring people together and solve the problem. that's where i'm focused. if a bill actually tries to take a constructive approach and has the potential to win across partisan majority then that will be something that i look at. but so far i'm just not seeing

that and i don't expect to see a bill that exactly codifies roe. i think we'll have different bills rather than that. >> okay. thank you. before i let you go, it's worth noting democrats obviously want to be putting that forward next term. let's say -- you just talked about how you feel that senator mike lee is not an effective member of the senate. let's say you do make it to the senate. you have said that you are not going to caucus with either party. but our reporting here from our capitol hill team is that it is not clear, it is not a given that you would be able to actually join any committees. i know you've said that you think you would be able to be on a couple of them. it seems like that is still an open question. is maintaining your status as an independent more important to you than being an effective member serving on committees in the senate? >> i just -- i don't think that that's the right way to think about it. i will be an effective senator if we prevail here because i'm an independent. and i have to say, hallie, there's a -- the senate rule 25 requires that every senator has to have two committee assignments and that it's possible to have a third from a

smaller group of special committees. since world war ii, i went back, we went back as a team and looked at this, there has never been an independent elected to the senate who hasn't had committee assignments. never been anyone who's been elected as an independent. so we will should committee assignments, i will have committee assignments, we'll do a great deal of good with them, but i have to say the real issue here is being willing to stand up to party bosses on both sides to get things done for my state and for the country. and my priorities are to defend american democracy, get our fiscal house in order, lower inflation, lower health care costs, protect our air and water and maintain a strong national defense. i'll work with anybody who wants to get things done. but i am not going to play the party power game in washington. and i'm going to maintain my independence. and i've made that commitment to republicans, democrats, and independents here in utah who have joined our coalition. and the only way for me to keep this coalition together, and i think it's essential that i do, is that i maintain my commitment

to my independence, and that's what i'm going to do. >> utah senate candidate evan mcmullin, thank you very much for being on the show. i appreciate it. i should note that we have also invited mr. mcmullin's opponent, senator mike lee, to come on to talk with us. we would love to have him. senator lee, you're welcome anytime. we have not heard back, at least not yet. that does it for this hour. a very busy one of msnbc. a lot of developing news, a lot of breaking news. we're going to put the highlights from the show and any new reporting up on twitter @hallieonmsnbc. and as always you can find me on our streaming channel for nbc news, nbc news now. tonight and every weeknight, just about an hour from now for show number two, 5:00 eastern. nicolle wallace picks it up with "deadline: white house" right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a horrific attack on the husband of speaker nancy pelosi at their san francisco home. it's a stark and scary reminder of the threat environment in which lawmakers now do t