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thank you for starting your weekend with us! breaking, this, morning how speaker nancy pelosi's husband is recovering from surgery to repair a skull fracture and serious injuries to his arm and hands. after a man wrote into their san francisco home in the middle of the night. and attacks it with a hammer. according to the speaker spokesman. police say the attack was quote, not a random act. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and a good saturday morning to you, again! i am katie fang, thank you for starting your weekend with us! breaking this morning, house speaker nancy pelosi's husband is recovering from surgery, to a pair is called factor and serious injuries to arms and legs after --

san francisco, home in the middle of the night and attacked him with a hammer according to the speaker spokesman. police say the attack was quote, not a random act. and the san francisco police chief said, the 9-1-1 this pattern likely saved paul pelosi's life. the motive for the attack is still under investigation. here is president biden on the attack. ♪ ♪ ♪ apparently we do not have that sound from president biden at this time. however! we are going to go to msnbc's allie raffa, who is live in washington d.c. with some of the latest: >> katie, good morning. house speaker nancy pelosi is back home in san francisco with her husband, this morning, as he begins his recovery after that brutal attack that you mentioned, it best gaiters are saying that the motive of the suspect in this case, 42-year-old david to pop it is as you mentioned, still under investigation but he has been charged with several felonies

including attempted homicide after breaking into the pelosi home wielding a hammer. around 2:30 am, a friday morning when pelosi was home alone, remember -- pelosi only entitled to a government security detail, when he is with his wife. how speaker nancy pelosi, and we know that she was home back here, in d.c., at the time of the attack. officials are saying that paul pelosi was the one who dialed 9-1-1 for help. they say that when officers arrived at the home, pelosi and the suspect were both trying to reach for that hammer. pelosi family member telling and nbc that the suspect hits pelosi in the head, several, times with that hammer. as he attempted to tie pelosi up, shouting, where is nancy? telling police, when they arrived, that they were waiting for nancy. katie, this attack sending shockwaves through capitol hill, as well as the campaign trail, yesterday, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, both democrats, and republicans condemning this violent attack.

offering their support for the pelosi family during this very difficult time. and that includes reactions from several lawmakers who have faced violent threats like this. themselves, including new york's republican congressman and gubernatorial candidate leads out in, who was attacked by unarmed a man on the campaign trail last month. take a listen to a little bit of his reaction here: >> over this past summer, i was given a speech from a campaign, it was the first up 14 campaign rallies over the course of about 72-hour period. and someone came on stage and he had, in his hand, what's appeared like brass knuckles. a couple of sharp daggers. regardless of branch you are, what your party is, what your ideology is, there is just no room for any of this type of violence, or even threats of violence as part of the process. >> threats like these, deeply troubling for lawmakers as they

continue campaigning ahead of the midterms now just ten days away, katie? >> all right, thanks to you ali rothe, live for us on capitol hill this morning. this attack comes just two months after the house -- created a residential security plan that gave members $10,000 to help secure their homes according to a house aide. and if you look at these numbers, you can clearly see why -- according to the capitol police, threats against lawmakers have nearly tripled in just the last four years. and we are hearing what it's like to be the person facing those [inaudible] -- elon omar is a second most top ten member of congress after nancy pelosi, according to data from the democratic party. >> can you imagine how somebody like me, that doesn't have the capitol security detail, that doesn't have the resources to be able to get 24 hour, on the clock, security details for my

four children, my husband, and my relatives. i am mortified! and really breathless at this moment. a lot of my family and friends have been sending me text messages, saying i hope you are boosting up security. and they are not enough resources for me to be able to do that. >> here to talk with us about these increasing threats is congresswoman debbie dingell, a democrat representing the state of michigan. congresswoman, good morning! as always, it's an honor when you join us on this show. look, you have faced down violent threats yourself. can you tell us, and share with, that's what it's like to have to deal with that, seeing how you are just doing your job when it happens -- >> good morning katie. look, in this very serious object, you know i've had -- obviously very increased threats. i mean i'm going to be blunt

here, i'm gonna be blunt, or since president trump went after me a couple of years ago. but also, it's been outside of my home with assault weapons when i said people don't belong outside of the michigan state capital, with assault weapons. it's always a scary -- i, you know my husband is no longer alive. so on by myself. and i'm going to be accessible to my constituents. i try not to let it downgrade my life, i try not to think about it, because i'm going to do my job! but what i want to say -- and yet, yes it gets scary. yes, but you keep going. what i do want to say is that this isn't just -- it's not just the united states capitol. and it's not just democrats. scalise was shot on a baseball field. the several years ago. but my school board across my district, and i've been meeting with some across the country, they are wearing bulletproof vests! to board meetings! it had not hand -- elected officials, and this

fear, this anger, this hatred, it's a fundamental, a real and present danger to our democracy! and we got to stand up! and you simply -- i'm gonna tell you, you can't keep 435 members and 100 senators in school board members, and you know mayors, city council people safe with somebody want to get them. it's got to come from within the community. we have got to stand up to this hate! it's a threat to all of us! it communities have to stand up to it! >> so congresswoman, i completely agree that it should be a bipartisan desire to turn down the temperature on this current political climate. so what can be done to lower reduce the politically motivated violence? >> so i think we all have to become far more aware of what we are doing. i think we can disagree agreeably. i would urge -- you know this not the most of my colleagues. i have a few colleagues that are putting kerosene on the

fire. i would urge communities, across the, country -- i've done that in my own community, civic organizations committed foundations to try to tie people together -- and say what's happening? we got to stand up to this state. and also, i would urge people to be very careful, social media which was founded to bring us together, has become an anonymous source of hatred, vitriolic-ness, bullying. be careful. listen to what you read. and i think there are a whole lot of people that don't understand that they need to do that. they just need to be thoughtful and conscientious themselves. it has to start with all of us! >> congresswoman, you served for a while -- your husband has as well, was serving, do you feel though that this is certainly a barry heightens climate? now it's a lot down worse than it was a few decades ago? >> i know it.

is you are correct. i did sleep, i said this to someone yesterday -- my husband never had protection. and had had some threats but nothing, nothing like what stephen i've had in the last two years. and you did sleep with until the day he died and he had a gun under his pillow. but i've never seen anything like this. and you know, i'm -- i keep going. i am not someone of entourages, who likes to be staffed. i try to listen to someone of what they say, and not be a regular schedule, so not be totally predictable. because i believe that we gotta do our job. but i'll tell you something, yesterday, i talked espouses -- i talked to kids, they are scared! there are so many members that, and local officials as well, that what they are putting their family through, that there is something that we've had a very bad and one of the committees that was my home, quite frankly for more than

three decades. there's been some really ugly medians that on banning books. but it has become much more, it has become an anti-lgbt movement. town halls, or people are screaming at each other, and physically threatening each other, people in tears, people scared, i mean how is this happened to my town? it's something going to happen to my child because i'm on a school board? we have to think about this. people are physically afraid! >> congresswoman debbie dingell, we appreciate you spending the time with us this morning and sharing your thoughts, thank you so much! >> thank you. >> we are going to turn now to the state of georgia, former president barack obama rallied for senator raphael warnock, and gubernatorial nominee stacey abrams. making the case to keep democrats in the seat of power. >> the only way to save democracy is if we, together, nurture it and fight for it!

and that starts with elected people who know you! and they see you, they care about you! >> today, former president has to michigan where he will hold a rally for governor gretchen whitmer before heading to the state of wisconsin. for more on all of this, we turn to nbc news correspondent alison barber, who is live in atlanta georgia. alison? >> hey, good morning katie. that room last night, it was an energized crowd of people who gathered quite early in the day, waiting in line, to hear from former president obama. we are told that there are about 7000 people in that arena. if you are in that room, and that was the only political event that you had paid attention to in georgia, you'd be forgiven to think that they momentum is on the side of democrats into bases in the state. but the reality is, it's not. they are struggling in the polls, and that is why former president obama was here. stacey abrams, a democrat, trying to unseat -- brian kemp, is behind in the

polls incumbents, democratic senator raphael warnock is in a statistical tie with his republican challenger, herschel walker. and neither of them are above in polling average, is the necessary 50% threshold in order to avoid a runoff. so president obama came here hoping that his star power would encourage democratic voters in the state to turn out to the polls. he argued that democracy is at stake. he spent a lot of time -- in the republican party slamming down for what he says being focused on really two things. he said, in his words, they are upset with quote, owning the libs and getting the approval of former president donald trump. here's some more of what he had to say: >> first time i ran for congress -- got what! [laughs] >> what! it was embarrassing! you know what i didn't do though? i didn't claim that the election was rigged! i didn't try to stop votes from

being counted. i didn't incite a mob to storm the capitol. i try to run a better race the next time. and by the way, i want the next time! because that's how our system works! [applause] >> early voting is already underway in the, state and it is breaking records over 1 million georgians have voted early so far. katie? >> alison barber, live in atlanta, thank you so much! today, president biden will be in his home state of delaware to cast his midterm election ballot. early in person voting began there on friday, the president is expected to vote alongside his 18 year old granddaughter who is a first time voter. biden spoke comes on the heels of a visit to philadelphia to bolster support for john fetterman in that tight senate race against dr. mehmet oz. early voting is underway, much of the country, and democrats are putting an emphasis on getting to the polls early in order to boost voter turnout. we'll have much more on obama's

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with just ten days to the midterms, the political temperature of this country may be higher than ever. nothing shows the danger of that kind of environment more clearly than the violent attack on paul pelosi. the same day as the attack, the united states government issued

a warning about a heightened threat to the midterms field by a rise in domestic violence extremism. that's according to cbs news, and cnn, they obtained a joint appellants bulletin. and bc news has not reviewed the bulletin, and just this week nbc news obtained a -- warning about an elevated threat about a racially and ethnically but threat of extremism that could target voting sites and poll workers. as we mentioned earlier, sources tell nbc news that before for the suspect attack he was shouting, where? nancy it's eerily similar to something we heard during the january six insurrection. keep in mind, the motive for the pelosi attack remains still under investigation, and there's no indication that if there's a connection to january six. >> where are you nancy? we're looking for you.

[inaudible] nancy? oh nancy? nancy? where are you nancy? hope >> here to discuss all of this, is jim kavanaugh, msnbc analysts, retired with -- a former hostage negotiator. and christopher goldsmith, an intelligence in extremism and disinformation analyst. good morning gentlemen to, both of. you janet like to start with you first. what is it about the current political environment that is permitting these violent threats to multiply, and in some cases, to actually turn into actual violence? >> well, it's a whole host of things really, katie. certainly, with the internet it has changed, society over the years, the acceptance of the political violent top that is supported by politicians. they wink and nod, they talk about second amendment solutions and they wink at

violence, and they have some the members of congress or other political figures who deny the truth of the election. disinformation. crack hot considers bees, to an on with. this permeates society, and it grabbed people like this attacker and turns in this way. but, this is not new to america. i remember, as a young person, and right before i went on to uniformed police, that we had a ten-year period in the 60s, let's say 62 to 72 we -- had a president assassinated, we had robert kennedy who is a senator from new york, running for president assassinated. we had dr. king, killed right here in tennessee, assassinated. we had george wallace, a candidate from alabama, shot. you know, that was in a ten-year period. we also have a series of

bombings, we have civil unrest, we had civil rights workers more murdered throughout the south. and i went on to police just after that in the 70s, and we fought back a lot of that violence. we changed the tempo of american violence, i think by enforcing the law appropriately on those clansmen, the -- we. back then they were wearing the full -- regalia, we we had to assert atf agents, we had had to work on those -- and we put them in jail. the aunt they were antisemites, they were hangers, but they didn't think the broad public support. this is a change. now back then we didn't see that. you know, most people were repelled by them. repulsed by them, and would speak out by them. now to see politicians, who won't speak out of by the

violence of january six. i mean, the beautiful brutal beating of our police officers within, an inch of our lot, they don't condemn. but that's where we. are we have allowed a broader support for political violence. and this is the result. this is what we see. now these cracked pots, this guy is not mentally ill, he's just a guy who's grad but on to all the crack pots conspiracy theories and made violent by that. we >> christopher, to jim's point, it used to be out there. you see a klansmen with the white hat, et cetera. but now, it's a lot more insidious. christopher, you're in the trenches of this particular bottle battle. you track these extremists, and you go at it online, and you're looking at their activity, so what can you tell us about their behavior in the lead up to our midterms. how worried are you right now about what we might see what

happens in this country in the next coming weeks? >> what jim, i must say that everything you have just said, putting this into the historical context of assassinations that happened in the 60s and early 70s, is exactly appropriate. that is the type of thing that we are experiencing right now. this wasn't a violent attack, by a mentally ill man. this was an attempt did political assassination, against a third in line to the president. this is, a successful home invasion. this was a near assassination. the guy was smart enough to understand how congress works, and the schedule. he would have known whether or not the speaker was, home he would have been shouting wears nancy just like the january 6th insurrectionists. he would have known where they are. thankfully, these people tend to be somewhat limited in the mental capacity, that's saying this is not a mentally ill

person who snapped and with the victim of some sort of mental illness. and someone who suffers from ptsd, i'm someone who has a non combat related brain injury or. i'm someone who has suffered mental illness, and i advocate for people with mental illness. this guy, is not the. same this is a conspiracy theorist, who has been pumped full of hate, not just by dark places on the internet, but by the republican party as shaped by new cambridge as a child turning democrats into the enemy. referring to democrats as communists, as socialists, like i'm commonly referred to by as a communist by neo--- because they don't understand what the merck word means, and be because using those type of words hate helps them to gain sympathy when they label me as a communist -- entrepreneur, combat veteran,

as a communist because it helps them get support, and money, and donations from mainstream gopers who have been radicalized into accepting political violence as the norm. now, you asked what are the neo--- up to, what are the fascists up to. when i use these words i'm not being hyperbolic. this past weekend my colleagues found the -- and they are suing me and my nonprofit because we found them. these are people who are swastika bearing neil -- they were using a star of david, and it is really flagged as a door mat for they're -- where this conference was going on. we were able to confirm that there were violent criminals with warrants out for their arrest, at this location. that's what we're dealing.

with these people are meeting by the dozen, traveling across the country, to radicalize one another. to grooves -- this is the real old kkk, the deep texas grooming young neo--- grooming gen z neo--- into violent terrorists. >> jim kavanaugh customer goldsmith, in fact we will have you guys will together so we can make a deeper dive into what's going on, because the two of you. are an incredible combination. thank you for being here this, morning i really appreciate. it coming up, obama to the rescue? the former president back on the campaign trail, trying to fire voters. can he provide a mid term miracle for democrats? racle for democrats? this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place.

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obama, firing up the crowd in georgia, as democrats look to him for some midterm magic. we're looking to boost what raphael warnock -- and candidate stacey abrams, who i was lightly training her opponent. -- seem to have taken advantage of. >> violent crime has gone up over the last seven years, not just the last two. not just in liberal states, but in conservative rural states too. who will fight to keep you and your family safe? the republican politicians who want to flood our streets with more guns? who actually voted against more resources for police departments? is it somebody who carries around a 40 badge, and says he's in law enforcement? >> i got one of those badges to. later today, obama heads to

michigan to hold a rally for governor gretchen whitmer. she's an increasingly tight race, with an election denier tutor gets in. then he ends his day in wisconsin. joining me now is democratic strategist and -- political reporter mark rutte. my partner in crime in times. you guys are here for. not phenomenal start with, you record early voting numbers in georgia despite efforts to chilled voter turnout for through voter suppression, and voter intimidation. two appearances by marquee names like barack obama really make a difference at the stage right before the midterms? >> i think they do, katie, elder why think it's unfair to put the pressure of winning or holding the midterms on one man, but if there's any man that has proven he has that ability to fire people up and turn them out, it is barack obama. certainly, the most popular democrat in america with the exception of his wife, michelle obama. but, there is no question obama at this stage i think, helps turn out voters. i think it drives the narrative to the voters that say, look this is important. you hear him talking very

clearly about democracy, is very well on the line. i think, there is only one criticism to the former president. i think you should've come out a little bit earlier. but we are in an election months now. people have been really voting for last couple of weeks. it has alluded to that very high turnout in georgia that is already taking. plays look, anytime you get barack obama on the campaign trail, that's a win for democrats, and i think they're going to welcome him and get him to as many places as possible in the next few. weeks >> you know mark, putting aside the thinkers that i appreciated from obama for people like herschel herschel walker. barack obama did what he does. he said, tuning out is not an option. despair is not an option. the only way to make this economy, fair is if we all of us fight for. it the only thing that -- the only way to save democracy is if together, we nurture and fight for. it this middle of the line voters, right, people that are not far light, far left, are they hearing that message? because not a -- message it's a message of bringing us together. >> that to, but it's also a

message of look, we gotta get out there into our jobs and vote. they're doing that in georgia. but the democratic party nationwide, georgia, florida, anywhere, they're concerned that the smartest and dump miss things in politics are about turnout. and they don't wanna have a turnout problem. most polls, most surveys, more studies, most interviews suggest that more republicans are more just about going out voting. it's true right now and in early voting in georgia more democrats are going out to cast violent. there's a feeling that red wave is, coming if not already. here >> well that was depressing. , for them less depressing. let's move to florida. i want to talk about what i see as the beginning of 2024 feud, between donald trump and long desantis. trump holding a rally in a couple of weeks with marco rubio, and it's a sunday before election day, but according to politico trump did not invite ron desantis to the rally.

are we reading a lure bit too much into the fact that it looks like a little bit of a snub to ron desantis. >> no you're not. let me tell you a little secret here. maybe not so much of a secret, but this is the announcement of donald trump's 2024 campaign. there is no question, katie, that ron desantis isn't donald trump's side disloyal, protegee who's gone wrong, and he's now competition. you know what trump did to competition in the 2016 campaign. he mowed through all of the republican competitors and that's a very unsettled signal that he's telling ron desantis right now. for those of you who like scarves, i know mark and i like the, movie it's like that scene when tony montana and frank finally get together in the room, except this time frank's the upper hand on the young upstart. trump is sending a clear message and ron desantis cannot be pleased, when he's shown up in his own state like. that >> i mean mark, you've got -- democratic candidates that are still in the fight. you have joe biden that's coming into florida to rally

with val demings in a few days actually. why is obama not coming to florida? >> well, as i alluded to a moment ago. this might be a depressing conversation with florida. i think obama wants to go where he can definitely make a difference, and the broader democratic party does not make think it can make much of a difference in florida, at least not this election cycle. all the trends your terrible for them, unlike in georgia. >> quickly, fernand, because this is kind of your butt. there is such a debate, and such a conversation about polls. should we look at them, what do they mean, what's the import of them? mark just import pointed to some of them. we all look at them. i think the important thing, though is, to look at scratch the surface in what is -- who are you asking? what was the sample size of what's happening? here do you think that there is an unhealthy focus, i'm not trying to put you in some kind of occupational hazard territory here, but do you think there's an unhealthy focus by folder on these polls?

and what these numbers? name >> as a pollster let me answer your question definitively, yes, hell yes. there's no folks that no reason the folks should be thinking about polls right. now polls are -- i think four campaigns are much more important because you want to be able to make any strategic adjustments in his last two weeks before election day, although again, people are voting. but, right now any pull this within three, or four, or five points in a horse race, that basically means it's tied because of the margin of error. only polls that have candidate ahead of by ten, or 15 points ahead. those i think you can pay some attention to. those are indicative of what's going to happen. but otherwise, forget the polls, go vote? i say that is a pollster. >> mark, are you listening? >> i am listening. >> because i want everyone to hear what fernando monday just said. go and vote! ignore the pope's, it's time for you to exercise your right

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twitch, now had a twitter. . but just ten days before the midterms mosque many are concerned musk's control of the platform can unleashed a massive wave of election disinformation at a critical moment. despite his promises to keep twitter from becoming a quote, free-for-all house. gabe musk is already shrinking things down real life, cnbc reporting that the ceo and the cfo have already left the company, and the head of legal policy was fired. it appears there won't be must fat trimming on the platform itself, to the contrary. the self proclaimed free speech absolutist said that he could eventually reverse some of the sites most notorious fans. johnson, the host of a right-wing talk show says tweeted it's time to bring them all back. attaching a video of banned accounts including donald trump, his former trees -- and conspiracy theories alex jones.

as for bannon in, jones that remains to be seen. but back in may, musk said he would reverse trump's permanent band. trump, in case you forgot, was banned in the wake of the deadly's insurrection on our nation's capital. twitter citing his tweets on january six as a risk of further incitement of violence. so in this final stretch of muttered campaigning, what could this virtual town square and its new mayor, mean for the future of our democracy? here to talk about it is technology -- sorry technology policy reporter, for the washington post, caps to cookie. cat, good morning thank you so much for being here. we should note that elon musk has said the twitter, he's not lifting the bands just yet. he plans to form a quote moderation council, council, before any accounts are reinstated. but cat, he did say the beginning of this acquisition that he was prepared to bring donald trump's account back. do you think that could happen before the midterms, and what do you think that would mean as we get closer to election day?

>> it's very hard to predict anything on this rollercoaster of a deer with elon musk. he has said that he would bring back trump's account, but yesterday he said that he had to bring this content moderation council before he would consider bringing back any bad accounts. i think the big question here is how long is he going to need to set something like that up? how cesar councils are going to be? you might remember that facebook has something similar in place already, known as the facebook oversight board. the company took years to set that up. they spent years traveling around the world, meeting with content moderation experts. so, when i was also talking to experts last night, about elon musk's tweets. they really question whether he'd be able to set something like this up over the next few weeks. the other big question was trump's return to twitter, is one would trump himself tried to get back on? as you know, trump now has his

own social network, truth social. and with an interview on fox news, trump reiterated that he plans to say on truth, any campaigns he run then a future he would run via truth social. but a lot of his own advisers don't believe trump when he says that, because of how much the former president loves twitter. and trump did take that interview as an opportunity to take a dig at the platform. he says that he doesn't think twitter can be successful without his return. >> [laughs] you know twitter that was already overwhelmed time to regulate disinformation, and enforce its own election policies. a high-level whistleblower had warned that twitter lacks the resources to do so. at this point, can elon musk rate realistically stop twitter from becoming that free-for-all hell's gate, as he calls it? >> so i think there's two things happening. one, you have already had heel on most car some of the top executives at the company

including the company's former head of trust and sadie, who oversaw all twitters work to develop and enforce content moderation policies around elections. you also, at the same time, have people specially on the far-right who are really emboldened by elon musk's purchase of this deal, just yesterday researchers told my colleagues and me that they were seeing a big influx of racist and hateful content. people effectively testing within new limits were, and the platform under mosque. even though we haven't seen elon musk. he has reiterated on twitter that he hasn't changed any of the content moderation policies yet, my colleagues and i are watching the pose are closely been watching the -- we haven't seen changes yet, but at the same time, the question is how well will they be able to enforce those policies. we already know, as you, mentioned that twitter has struggled perhaps even more

than other tech companies, because it's much smaller and has fewer resources to enforce its policies, and now the top executives are gone, and employees are just in a total state of chaos and really don't know who's leading the ship on issues like content moderation and what the new policies are. that can create some major problems getting close to the midterms. >> i could tell you, i'm an avid user of twitter cat, and it is kind of crazy out there already. cat zakrzewski, thank you so much for joining us this morning and sharing your insight, i appreciate you. >> thank you for having me on the show. >> of course. and we will be right book. l be right book. n. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms. and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight.

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