good morning to you, it is saturday october 29th. the sun is still not up, that is because i am in phoenix, arizona and remains the middle of the night here. i'm velshi on the road this week for another edition of velshi across america, this time as i say, in beautiful phoenix, arizona. one of the most hotly contested states by the way, arizona is, in this election cycle. i travel here this weekend to really understand what is happening here on the ground. yesterday, i had an amazing insightful conversation with a group of arizona voters from across the political spectrum. republicans, democrats, about the issues that they care about most as they prepare to head to the polls. we're gonna have more of that conversation to show you later in this hour and throughout the weekend. there are only ten days left before this year's midterms, the first nationwide election since donald trump began spreading the big lie following his loss to joe biden in 2020. it fueled the fire that led to the violent insurrection at the

capitol on january 6th. some of the mob that breached the capitol that day were explicitly looking for the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. they were yelling, where is nancy? as they stormed the halls of congress. sources tell nbc news, that question was uttered once again by an intruder who broke into speaker pelosi san francisco home in the middle of the night yesterday and violently assaulted her husband paul with a hammer to the head. speaker pelosi was in d.c. at the time, but is now back in san francisco to be with her husband who is expected to make a full recovery after undergoing surgery for a skull fracture and serious injuries to his right arm and hand. we do not know yet what the attackers motive was, but the san francisco police department said last night quote, this was not a random act. this was intentional. the violent assault of the capitol on january six may have been quelled that afternoon, but the insurrection is ongoing. donald trump's dangerous rhetoric continues to poison our democracy and the attack at the pelosi residence is not the

only instance of violence against someone whom donald trump has targeted. over the summer, a man armed with a gun was arrested outside the home of the democratic congressman. three more men were fined -- that was in 2020. trump and his allies have also continued their baseless and unfounded attacks against the integrity of our electoral system. according to rolling stone, trump has been telling his associates that he thinks fraud is already happening in this year's elections and that his team should prepare to launch legal challenges. losing all the ones that they did last time doesn't seem to have affected their enthusiasm for doing it again. according to separate reporting from politico, those efforts already seem to be underway. john eastman, this guy on the screen, trump's former attorney, the architect of the fake electors scheme, is already advising republicans to document complaints in order to quote, raise the challenge and quote if the results don't go

their way. the washington post has found that a majority of this year's republican candidates for office has questions country wide by the way about the results of the 2020 election. it is not difficult to imagine that all the republicans would subscribe to whatever new scheme is doomed up by trump and his lackeys. that will have lasting damage though. perhaps no other state embodies everything that is at stake, including democracy itself then arizona, one of the most important battleground states this year. they've already been reports filed right here in maricopa county regarding unauthorized people, some of whom wear masks. take a look at these pictures. masked and armed. keeping watch over a ballot drop boxes in america. that is raised concerns obviously about political intimidation, incidents like this could have a major impact beyond arizona's borders. the senate race between the democratic incumbent and the republican blake masters is one of the most competitive races anywhere in the country this

year. the outcome of that race will help determine control of the senate. blake masters is one of the most ardent election deniers and trump supporters in the country, even in a state that is full of election deniers and trump supporters. according to the washington post, all but one of the pocan candidates running for office here, this election year, is an election denier. that includes all three of the republican party -- the gubernatorial candidate kari lake, who is like a ph.d. in election lying. the state secretary of state nominee mark finchem. and the attorney general nominee abe holiday. he's running for office for the first time, he also continues to deny that joe biden legitimately won the 2020 election, something that was proved over and over again. sometimes referencing the false and debunked claims made in a conspiracy theory film in 2000 mules, which i guarantee you you don't have enough time in your life to watch. beyond that, he's also explicitly saying that he would

not have signed off on the results of the 2020 election if he were the attorney general in charge that year. listen to what they tell you, joining me is chris mays. she's also the professor at arizona state university. great to see you, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for being in arizona, the place where america and its democracy will be decided. >> that's the thing, that's what people need to think about. your eyes need to be on this state and pennsylvania, michigan, they are really serious. even in arizona, where midterm elections don't draw as many people out as they should, they're gonna be people who get up the morning after the elections who might be scratching their head. it might be a little bit puzzled as to how this happens. >> i'm hoping and i know that arizona is going to come through for america because american democracy runs through the state of arizona in 2022. as you just pointed out, all three of the top statewide

republican candidates have said they would not have certified a 2020. my opponent has said that he wants to decertify 2020. they are dangerous and i think they are a threat to american democracy. we cannot have an attorney general, this is why these races are so critical. we can have an attorney general who won't uphold the rule of law. and who is literally, in a case of my opponent, endorsed by donald trump for one reason and one reason only. that is to be in place and advance 2024 when he runs for reelection again. 2024 when he runs they have madt they are going to do on behalf of dollars on. >> in fact, i think blake masters took a call from president trump who criticized him for saying, you need to be like carey like, you need to have one message that the election was rigged, that the election is fake, and that you will fix it.

it is not even a complicated message by the republican statewide office runners. it is very, very simple. don trump is the boss, the elections were fake, i will let it happen again. >> they are saying the quiet lie out loud in arizona. they are not even hiding it. whether you're talking about kari lake, these candidates have said they are not willing to concede the election. they are saying we are not -- as i said, my opponent wants to decertify 2020. my opponent also wants to eliminate a vote by mayor. >> which was invented by republicans in the state. >> it was invented by republicans in 1992. it is the way 90% of arizonans vote. >> no one has ever found anything wrong with. it >> no one has ever found anything wrong with it. and yet, they continue to tell the big lie, they continue to sow distrust which is

outrageous. and it is why we are seeing these people show up in masks, ski masks, with ak-47s, with body armor to our ballot boxes, intimidating people from, or trying to intimidate people from voting. what i said, as attorney general, we will prosecute that. we have laws on the books that prevent the intimidation of voters. >> it is intimidating. if i was doing nothing wrong and i showed up at a ballot pox and there is guys with guns, taking pictures of my drivers license, or my car take, i've covered stories around the world in countries where that actually happens. they said hey, we have the vote. you can't vote for somebody, we don't want you to vote for. >> it is outrageous. and we have a current attorney general and a current governor who have literally said, nothing about this intimidation. they need to be out there, where are they? where is doug doocy, or mark, where is my opponent? where are they?

they have a leadership responsibility come out and say, knock it off. people have the right to vote, they have the right to go drop off their boats. the people of arizona are going to come to for america. but it is why america needs to pay attention to arizona. >> very close attention, there are few places where democracy is starting to die, this is it. this is a state that has such a rich history of democracy, it is such a rich history of conservatism. it is a rich history of republican democracy. some of the republicans that i were talking to work for john mccain, they don't understand the arizona they are in right now. >> i myself used to be a republican. it was republicans who invented, essentially, vote by mail. we have had early voting dating back to 1919 in the state of arizona when we allowed soldiers to vote before they went off to war. it is a state that votes, that loves to vote by mail, and we are going to protect our

democracy. like i said, we are going to come through for america. but we do need help and we need all eyes and all hands on deck. >> we will be watching very, very closely across america to what happens to arizona. thanks for being with us, we appreciate it. chris mays is the democratic nominee for arizona attorney general. you're watching velshi across america live from phoenix. a new sweeping book ban is in effect for public schools, it could have grave consequences for everyone but, especially for young women and the members of the lgbtq community. i'm going to speak with a state lawmaker who vehemently opposes and a judge who refuses to block -- we just talked about it, intimidation tactics and voting drop boxes, including stand near voters armed with guns while wearing mask and body armor. plus, i have an important conversation with a group of voters right here in arizona which has just days ago before the midterms elections. arizona knows how high the stakes are, but if you think about not voting, republican

voter has a message for you. >> we've got a chance coming up to vote and not everybody in the world has the chance. we need to make sure that we take it because we can make america better, we can make arizona better. and we can have a safe place to live because so much is at stake in this midterm election. more so than probably any midterm election in my lifetime, and i'm pretty old. so please, go out and vote. and vote and vote ♪ what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪

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beautiful sky. the sun is finally rising here in phoenix, arizona, maricopa county. that is what my team and i get

to look at this morning as it comes up. it is one of the most beautiful things about doing the show from arizona, which i've done a few times. it is dark and cold in the desert at night and then it just becomes the most beautiful thing. this heavy coat i'm wearing is going to become redundant in about an hour. i want to keep on talking about things going on in arizona. trump appointed federal judge on friday refused to stop a far-right group clean elections usa. one thing i'm going to -- clean elections usa, that really isn't about clean elections. they refused to stop them from sticking out outdoor ballot boxes in arizona saying, such a ban may violate the group's constitutional rights. with midterms less than two weeks away, local officials and 30s are growing increasingly alarmed by reports of people showing up to ballot boxes, in some cases armed in what activists are trying as voter intimidation. we were just talking about that with the candidate running for attorney general in the state. these citizen vigilantes have been spotted in arizona's

largest county, which is where i am, maricopa county, and in rural county. their actions are part of a growing effort by some conservatives to monitor drop boxes in hopes of catching election fraud that actually doesn't exist. or maybe, just to intimidate voters. the conspiracy theory about so-called ballot fuels, people who supposedly secretly drop off hundreds of fake ballots in the middle of the night at election sites is a popular theory among mega republicans. the group that was sued, clean elections usa, began coordinating drop box tickets on former president donald trump's truth social, that is according to vaughan hilliard. his latest report for nbc finds that far-right activists across the country have been organizing the stake out since at least july. trump has also shared post from users advocating for drop box surveillance including here in arizona. with me, i'm joined with nbc's vaughn hillier. he grew up in phoenix and four

generations of his family have called arizona home. he's been covering arizona politics for 13 years since the midterm elections in 2020. he is my great friend, it is so great to be with you in person. >> i know, i know. >> this is a weird one. i want to read from what you and then wrote on nbc. users on the twitter-like platform truth social have discussed forming mule parties were dropbox tailgate's since late july, looking to organize volunteers to surveil drop boxes. on that platform, the former presidents account has shared posts by users advocating for dropbox or violence, including the message of box. one organization, clean elections usa, have been pushing for trump supporters on truth social to create a ballot tailgate parties to monitor drop boxes nationwide for suspected meals since august. what is this all? about what or mules? are they real, where did they come from? what is going on? >> we started looking into this

because we needed to understand there are actually reach to this, from prominent gop members, this is not just a few vigilantes who's decide to show up on a wednesday evening. that is when we started looking into this. you go back to may, kari lake, the republican candidate for governor, she was talking about the supposed evidence for truth about, that is the organization which provided the geolocation data which led to that movie 2000 meals. of course, all of this has been debunked, even the arizona attorney general has said there's been no evidence of fraud. back in may, she was talking about how she was gonna bring her sleeping bag out to the drop boxes. there was a state senator who said folks need to bring out the cameras, they need to go to these drop boxes. it's important to understand the amplification of some of these conspiracy theories. when we are finding the truth social account, you have folks here, these vigilantes that go out, they shoot the video, it and go and send it to this woman who's a minister in tulsa, oklahoma, who has a social

media following. she posted it on her truth social account. who amplifies it? the former president of the united states, donald trump. he has re-posted these posts seven different times, including the exact drop box of that location. >> the danger here of course, the intimidation factor is that you may be doing nothing wrong at all. dropping your ballot in a ballot box. and then suddenly, your image, your car, your car tag is out there for a whole bunch of conspiracy theorists. >> they are doing this as we speak. they're taking photos in one of the incident reports. it was a situation in which somebody claimed that there were ten individuals who started yelling at them, claiming that they were meals, trying to take photos of their license plates. this car, this citizen then tried to back out of the parking lot driving backwards to avoid having their license plate taken. let's be clear, we have all covered over the last two years, the way in which normal citizens have been impacted by

the amplification of these sorts of conspiracy theories. take the fulton county election worker and her mom who testified in front of the january six committee. they did nothing wrong, but it was video from surveillance footage that eventually was amplified by the former president of the united states. ifiethat is what the fear here , the intimidation factor. we saw that federal judge's ruling yesterday who said that although the idea of irreparable harm, the implications of it are on the side of the plane is right now, he said the first amendment rights of these individuals are prevailing. that is one judges ruling. the question is, what does this go from here? we have ten days left. >> the only good news here, this shouldn't be the solution, is that this place has had really good mail-in voting for a long time. since the early 90s. he was brought in by republicans. if you are our at all worried about this, get your ballot in by mail, it does work in the state. >> it does work. >> good to see you. i'm a senior in person. von, my great friend.

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politics. -- and new companies get the support they need. however, she is done a little bit of everything here in arizona, including but not limited to becoming the first woman mayor of -- serving as a state representative and minority whip in that legislative body. serving as a state senator, working as a campaign director for the leukemia society. after surviving cancer twice herself and teaching elementary school students for five years. this is exactly the kind of person i want to talk to about the state. joining me now is the a for mentioned commissioner who knows a bit about arizona's local politics, it's health care,'s education systems, welcome. there is a lot, one of the things i asked my panel about arizona voters yesterday was, what is the country need to know about arizona politics right now? we know some things, we know there's some crazy stuff going on in your elections right now. we know there is a lot of

questions raised about the last election and there was an audit that seabreeze suspicious. they couldn't find a different result. where are we now in the state that has such a rich history of politics, democratic and conservative levels. i would say, one thing you should know about arizona is that we are unique in regards to the issues that we care about. there are issues that are very important for arizona people. one of those is the economy, the one is our democracy. also, in regards to health care as well. the wide variety of issues. i would say right now, first and foremost, for many families across arizona, the economy and how that affects them day in and day out. these are kitchen table issues that families are struggling to deal with day in and day out. they want to hear about solutions about what you either do. how are they going to help and succeed in becoming great economically, for the rents,

afford the medication that is crucial. and for their children to go to school. these are very important table issues that families are concerned about. i feel that we have some amazing democratic candidates at the top of our ticket that, number one listen to the issues of families that are hitting it day in a day out. we have people that are going to where they're meeting people where they're most comfortable. one thing that i learned as a mayor, is that is what you need to. do you need to meet people where they're comfortable. you need to listen and validate their issues and concerns. we might have people that you listen to you and they will tell you, i'm so frustrated by this gas issue. i'm paying x amount. but when you related back to how this candidate is going to help them and solve that issue. validate that concern with them and then turn it into look, this is a crucial election, we can't have you standing at the sidelines. we need you to come and vote. in fact, we need your whole world family, your neighbors to come and vote as well.

>> you are addressing something that a number of people have addressed, there is a native going around inflation being democrats and joe biden's fault, despite the evidence that there is inflation all of the world and joe biden organized that. but, there was also criticism that democrats aren't leaning into that enough, the explanation that you've been given, the explanations about what is going on in the economy. democrats are very, very concerned in this country about the state of democracy, they're very concerned about reproductive rights and some of said, could you lean in a little bit worn to the economics? >> that is the smart thing to do, people want to hear about solutions on how their life is going to be affected. my advice to candidates that are running for the next ten days is bring that information to the voters and say, this is what i can bring to you, these are the solutions of how i'm going to make your life better. it could be by experience, it could be by making sure they have that passion to serve. they are going to stay willing to make the hard choices that

arizona people deserve right now. >> good to see you, thank you for doing everything you have done and for many years i'm sure. you and i will keep on talking about this as you do more and more things. it's great to have you here. anna tovar is the corporations commissioner, the former democratic leader in the arizona state senate. you are watching a velshi across america, live from phoenix, right after the break i have more of my conversation with a group of six diverse arizona voters. no matter what they are planning to vote, or how they're planning to vote, they are all going to vote in this midterm election. if you or anyone having doubts, my panel has a few words for you. >> we have the opportunity to create a more equitable society by just voting. in 2020, during the process, we told people that you cannot reap the fruit from the plant that you just sowed. from the seed that you just don't. we have to recognize that we have the opportunity to return hope in the history, by holding

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america will head to the polls for this year's midterms. i keep saying, that in place like arizona, you can go to any days you want. mail-in ballots, you can do it, it was a beautiful invention in the state by republicans. who set up the mail in voting, you can do it in the state, and you should. wherever you are in the country, do it, get your ballot in there. there is a lot of the next ten days to consider if you have not voted, especially in arizona, this weekend, i am in phoenix for this edition of velshi across america, a special edition, given how important arizona is, dozens of candidates on the ballot, in this state, who deny the results of the 2020 election. they claim joe biden is not the real president. they are trying to take over. it almost every level of government including governor, center, secretary of state, many, many more. to get a better sense of how arizona feel about this. yesterday, i had a conversation with six politically minded arizona voters.

three registered republicans, three democrats. here is what some of them had to say. >> to, me the most important race in the secretary of state race. adrian fontes, a marine, i have to work every single day at the recordings offense for the law firm i have. when he was the county corner, he revolutionized, he's a very good guy, he seems partisan, seems more like i want to go to the job. his opponent where the jet was a january 6th insurrection. the reason i think that is the most important election is i think arizona has to historically for most of the secretary of state to governor, very frequently,. >> the current government candid is a secretary of state. >> correct, he has done a lot of things over the years. it currently becomes the governor, she might, she is in contention to be considered for vice president. >> of course, i'm the obvious are the consequential -- were mike kelly, of course, voting for them by default, but my concentration has been on

the down ballot standpoint. i mean all the way down to a change of school, or the patty serrano or something, or maricopa county attorney's office. those are the types of releases that i find most impactful. >> they are, the big bags, things like that. >> yeah, when you look at things from the standpoint like your immediate community, where political issues are most foremost and most correctly. not only my philosophy, but the philosophy that my group has been trying to teach individuals and back in 2020 protests. i feel like more attention should be placed on a down ballot. everybody can recognize the top, the most recognizable people at the top of the ballot, but when you go to look at the things that require more research, people tended to leave that blank. maybe checked them off. >> they don't study. >> wes, that is a good point, you obviously need to vote for your senator, your governor,

the secretary of state, the influential races where politics is in question. and down-ballot really matters these days. >> oh my gosh, matters more than anything. the decisions that people are making a fact this every day. our united states senator, it is a big race, it will be the balance of republicans, democrats, everybody focuses on that. you know, the united states senate does not do a lot. they have a hard time passing anything. the legislature, city councils, when they passed stuff all the time, especially the legislature. >> it's such a simple job, you know? to vote. to participate. what's going to happen is, what i am afraid of, we are going to have a 52% election turnout, which is historically a mid term total, and a 48% arizonans are going to wake up eligible voters. they will wake up -- >> how in the heck did this

happen? >> it's because you stayed home, you did not vote. >> your ballot is sitting there on its desk. i forgot to do it. don't forget to do it, vote. >> trust that it is safe. particularly mail-in ballots. that was a that was evolved by the republicans for 30 years. it worked well for republicans in the state of arizona for 30 years. now, when there has been a bit of a paradigm shift, we certainly don't trust the process in spreading formation. but, mail-in ballot, we think people are holding on the ballots when they go from. others vote for ballots, set trust the process, send it in. >> can do the continued of holding folks accountable. it is not just about voting, especially because we know so many of us on this stage, the ancestors were not always giving the right to vote. also, the down-ballot part i wanted to add to it was

thinking about superintendent, all of the things i talk about, submissive miss, who controls the school system and the processes up children learn? about how to converse, how to critically think, it is particularly important, and what happens is if we keep putting things in opposites, social determinism, keep putting things in opposition, we lose the complexity in which all of us want to be seen. that is another thing i want to add about the down ballot importance. >> to put it all into a simple way, there is no room to complain if you don't make your voice heard. it's very blunt, kind of route, but at the end of the day, that is the true thing. when you think about the 2020 election, that was decided by 10,000 votes in arizona. i think if we collectively got our groups together, as more than 10,000. it is great. >> literally, arizona could be where democracy lives are dies. >> we can be the laughing stock, or a great move forward. it's amazing that's where we get to live, we get to see the

change going on. >> some people say don't boo, vote. that's why we need people to do. if the goal of the political industrial complex is to marginalize everybody and go to extremes and get their beast to turn out, and to eliminate the middle, we need the people in the middle to know. >> as i said, i love having that conversation, i talked to them for a really long time. which is why we will have much more from the conversation, including what specific issues are driving turnout in the state. these panelist view of the outgoing representative liz cheney is running political ads in the state, targeting election denying republicans. tomorrow, 88 eastern, right here on msnbc. speaker nancy pelosi's 82-year-old has been is recuperating after he was assaulted at the couple in san francisco home, the assailant was reportedly looking for the speaker herself, shouting where is nancy after he broke into

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clear. it is certain types of sex that are targeted by book banners in the state. members of the velshi banned book club know that the kind of sex that is considered objectionable here is generally anything that includes lgbtq+ people, or female desire, which i think started the end of the world. house bill 24 95 does include exceptions for novels with quote, serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. but only allowed to be taught expressly with written parental consent. now, if you're thinking this language is somewhat broad and subjective, you are absolutely correct. no two people would define serious artistic value in the exact same way, that is exactly

the point of this thing. this bill brilliantly and insidiously sets the stage for ban after ban after challenge after challenge. protected by language that is just vague enough to accomplish the goals. although, the canterbury tails, written by jeffrey chaucer, a work that many would argue has quote serious literary value has been targeted by ban. the classics will withstand this painful test. they're part of the very fabric of our culture, they retain their crucial relevance for decades. sometimes even centuries. they will continue to do so in the future. what is truly at risk here as we have discussed week after week, i've said disgusted because it is a little bit disgusting that happens. week after week we discuss on the velshi banned book club that what is that really at risk is contemporary novels. those that are representative of america today. books that hold a mirror up to our modern society, books that might offer solace to a young reader and help them make sense of the world around them. a young leader who has been

sexually assaulted, a young reader who's gay but has not told her parents. the reality is this, high school age students are and will continue to explore sex and sexuality, even in arizona, believe it or not. when you remove books that are safely and thoughtfully designed to explore those very real concepts, you send a clear and damning message. sexuality, especially when it comes to young women and the lgbtq plus community is shameful and should not be discussed. i'm joined now by the democratic representative daniel hernandez, who is talking about it. back in january, he vocally oppose the bill to sponsor his republican colleague, state representative jake often. senator, good to see you, thanks for being with us. let me start with the big language in this. the bill, as it was being written, talked about, it had evident homophobia in it. it pointed out books depicting

homosexual acts, which by the way could be two guys holding hands. >> it wasn't defined, that was one of the big problems. when we had this bill introduced in the education committee, we tore holes through it. republicans said this is a bad bill because three years ago, in a bipartisan way, it was repealed. it made it illegal to even acknowledge that the lgbtq community exists. this bill try to put it back in in a backdoor way, thinking that no one would pick up on the fact that we were literally going to be banning books which wasn't defined. >> it wasn't defined, that's one of the parts about it that is insidious. but, the obvious part about it, which is what we talk about in book bans all the time, is the message it sends about if your career or if you are a woman who has done something. we are not talking about these things in front of our kids. you are one of the few game and in the state legislature. i just want to ask you personally, how do you fight that battle? >> it was on my birthday. three years ago, we repeal the

ban on no promo homo, my reward was listening to my colleagues talk about what we needed to ban in reference to homosexuality. for me, as we have seen the legislature get closer because we are two seats away from the majority in the house, and two in the senate, things have gotten more extreme. all the moderates on the republican side are gone. all we have left or the furthest right extremists. that's why, now that i've joined a new organization, we are backing pro education candidates who happen to be people like katie hobbs and legislative democratic candidates who are actually going to look at how we teach kids to critically think. how do you teach them to be better humans? how do we teach them and empower teachers to actually do their jobs? >> how do you teach kids to critically think when it comes to sexuality, sexual assault, sexual experience, anything to do sex if you can't teach about those things? >> i think that's the real problem that we have here because these extremists at the legislature keep affording this agenda that is put together by an extremist group.

it doesn't actually care about kids or their educations, they care about prioritizing our schools, the voter expansion, and also making sure that we ban all references to the lgbt community. what they're doing is ostracizing some of those most vulnerable kids, they're making it so teachers can do their jobs. this bill is so broad that i still get, on a daily basis, teachers like, what does this actually mean? what is something of historical significance? can i teach the bible? well, probably. can i teach the great gaps be? probably. the answer is always probably because this really doesn't actually help make things better for kids. it makes it so one extremist group can go and raise money and tell people, this is what we did. >> an important point that i want to bring up. there are probably some parents with good faith who say, i don't know if my kid is ready for this, we don't talk about this at home. good faith, reason to say that i'm not sure about this. but that is not what is going on in most of the fans in this country. it is extremist groups.

>> at the core of everything that we have done, we include parents, we include child and age appropriate content. we are not going to be teaching kids and kindergarten about sex. what we are going to be doing is teaching them about consent. good touch, that touch. we know that some of the most vulnerable kids who have been sexually assaulted don't have the language to tell adults. what we need to do is make sure that we are giving kids the tools to protect themselves, but also making sure that we can get rid of this idea that we are teaching kids about sex in kindergarten. that is what my colleagues are saying is happening the reality is we are trying to teach kids how to be able to read and be a functioning member of society. also, someone who understands big concepts and be a critical thinker. >> you may not want to young kids, your early teen kids to read about sexual a fault -- assault, rape, except for many -- at the velshi banned book club right about these things they either happen to them, or they hear from people who say, you saved me because this happens to me, i'm too ashamed to tell

somebody about this. >> books can be transformative, they can be a huge part of way people see themselves. if you don't see your experiences be acknowledged, you wonder, and my someone who is different? and my someone who is not valid? that's why when we are talking about this, you have to have a holistic view of what is going on. again, that is not happening at the legislature. than after man. it's going after educational equity and say if you're an lgbtq, a person of color, your experience is not valid. >> thank you for doing this. we appreciate. this state representative daniel hernandez at arizona. before we go, i want to do a quick put their shout out to my executive producer, rebecca, she is in new york, telling me you really have to, go you have to wrap up the show. without rebecca, there is no adult you. thank you my friend, happy birthday. you are the soul of the show. by the way, that it for the show today, velshi across america, 8:00 tomorrow morning, we will see right here in maricopa county, arizona. will set