underground to stars of the republican party. but how? we tonight we talk to three of them. for a, senate candidate from georgia, herschel walker. >> yeah, hello, judas. my name is herschel walker, texas ranger. now i am running for president of the united airlines. >> next, is pennsylvania republican senate candidate, dr. oz. >> hello, judy. my pennsylvania phillies are in the world series, and i just had a delicious philadelphia cheese and steak. yum. >> and also joining us, arizona's republican candidate for governor, kari lake. >> great to be with you, judy. on your sweet little shuffle elias. >> okay. well all three of you have been gaining in the polls the past few weeks despite not of you having any political experience. >> that's correct. you >> are you scared?

i know i am. don't be scared, just get out and vote. happy halloween to everyone. i want to see all of your questions. tweet them to me at katie phang show. early voting has started and lots of places, so get out there and vote, vote, vote. thanks for watching the katie phang show. phil she is next. phil she is next good morning. it is sunday october the 30th, i'm ali velshi. for most across america. only nine days left until the midterms. we're closing in on the first national election since donald trump lost to joe biden and 2020. the first national election day of the big lie era. what's at stake is not just control of congress, or whose ideas will take precedent, but the very concept of free and fair election. whatever happens on november 8th, we already know the big lie will live on.

the brooklyn's institution have identified -- republicans on the ballot nationwide who believe that the 2020 presidential election was a legitimate. there's no doubt that many of them will win the election. the last six weeks on the show we have been looking at the specific states and races where anti-democratic election deniers are running in close contests for keyless it offices. the list of election deniers on the ballot right here in arizona is extensive. the republican nominees for governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and the united states senate, are all purveyors of the trumpian lie that the 2020 election was stolen. a lie that they continue to push with exactly zero evidence to support a, and voluminous evidence to the contrary. can't forget, arizona's a crucial battleground state. it was won by -- by joe biden in 2020. let's look at a look at who's on the ballot. in the race for governor here in arizona, republican catholic

on the right, challenging arizona current secretary of state, katie hobbs in the left, democrat. kari lake is our glue become the new face of maga. regurgitating the big lie, and turn and earning a trump endorsement, and the following of his base. she also just copy trump's election denier, she uses his anti immigrant rhetoric word for word. at one point, accusing him of bringing drugs, crime, and they are rapists. lake is against a woman's right to choose, calling abortion the ultimate sin. she calls herself honored paul exotically pro-life, which is why she prays arizona's 1901 abortion lob that could send any abortion patient to present for between two and five years. she also said arizona should pass, a, quote carbon copy of texas's six-week abortion ban. we will clear politics is calling the race for governor a toss-up. all right, next, up on the race with secretary of state, mark fischer takes undemocratic, -- finchem, on the, right is as big lies he gets. he was president of the capitol

on january 6th as an active member of the oath keepers, an organizer of stop the steal. he's called for voters to watch all dropbox as, aka, voter discrimination disguised vigilantism. we'll talk more about that. in order to save the republic. he also things arizona to do away with early voting, who was caught in a lie when he said he didn't care for mail-in voting, turns out he casts in early ballot in almost every election since 2004, according to the voting records. that's who could be in charge of certifying arizona's elections for the next four years. arizona's family, high ground statewide survey has been jim ahead of fontes by one point. in the race for attorney general, trump ignores republican -- on the right, faces off against republican turned democrat, chris mays. -- is this me he wreaks havoc on the streets of arizona. he says the biggest that the democracy right now is the media. yet, he still tweeted this message. quote, in a world full of lies

and deception, and being honest and authentic becomes an act of courage. speak the truth, no matter the consequences, and quote. arizona's family high ground statewide survey shows -- with a 5.2 point lead over his opponent. and the race for senate, the republican blake masters's against democratic senator mark kelly. mathis is a trump devotee, who was also leaned into the big lie and has watered down version of the racist -- replacement theory. he alleges that democrats are trying to encourage immigration so that their party can dilute the political power of native foreign voters. he says illegal immigrants are treated better then u.s. military veteran's, our buddy tells us the military is totally incompetent. all of that has landed masters on trump's good, side or new endorsement and a spot on trump's top -- email donor list. by the way, trump keeps 99% of the donations that come in, but masters is very much playing on

team trump. the cook political report, and real clear politics, are currently calling the senate race in the state a cloth toss-up. joining me for more on this is richard -- he's a professor of history, ethics, in journalism and arizona state university. he's a longtime columnist and -- at the arizona republican. a former officer at the maricopa county board of supervisors, and, joining us is the representative, original -- of arizona. he's the leader of the arizona house. he's the founder of arizona coalition for change, and our voice, our vote. arizona. good morning to. you the wind blows a little colder. good to see, you sir. let's talk about this race. is wildes. it's deeply unusual what's going on in the states. as spoken to democrats and republicans about -- who are quite alarmed by what might happen on november 8th, what they could wake up to a november 9th. are you surprised at all of those races i just talked about

are as close as they are? >> yeah. normally arizona is a republican state. the last few elections, there have been more democrats could win, but usually, when republicans are divided sick, controversial, and the democrats are particularly strong, but some of those elements are exist in. i've never seen the anger, vitriol, the meanness of the campaigns. it's incredible. >> there are issues about debates in this campaign. we talk about this a lot in the news. the idea that do you give black -- a lot of the democratic candidates in the state have declined to debate their opponents. there's a feeling that the democratic campaigns are normal campaigns, but the republican campaigns are fiery here because they're based on this trumpian election lie. >> you, know, look i pushback. i'd say that when you walk into

any democratic -- across the state, what you see is engaged enthusiastic, democratic base of voters who want to make sure that they -- and what i do know right now is that it's become more about who is worth -- the instrument on -- and that's not good for democracy or arizona. >> one thing we're seeing in other states, where things like this are happening, where you have extremist running on the republican side, is that it's old-fashioned republicans, the kind that the state was built on, they've kind of moved in some cases to the democrats. in this particular, stateless cheney who's come out and is asking people to vote for democrats. you've got other republicans here. is that enough of a movement in the state to keep the big liars out? >> you mention, even yesterday, -- was a former republican and now votes split tech outs. it's always been if, it

democratic can get some republican women, and independents, they can win. it's an uphill battle, usually. this year, the election deny or's actually are all products of polarized primaries. they're weaker, they're sub that are weaker, but they're still close. even the markedly, with all his money, all hayes prestige, and his pedigree, he's in a tight race with a guy who's no one's heard of. >> what happens, because we watch some states very carefully in the 2020 election. obviously pennsylvania, until that raises, decided what we're all watching arizona join the county, in which seem to have gone out for months, because everything happened around here, these are literally states in which the future of how we vote, the future of democracy, the future of how we choose a

president, or make a lot of decisions, could rest. >> look, 90% of arizonans choose to vote by mail. that is a significant number. the reality is, we probably won't know on election day who, definitively, who wins each individual race. what is also important to know is that here in the state of arizona, we have a -- primarily, fema, county author of our largest, counties they are committed to making sure that they are giving that up in realtime information and exactly who -- so we know where the race stands. i truly believe that right now, here in the state of arizona, there are a group of independent and republicans who are going to vote based on democracy. we know there's a lot of different issues, but this fundamental core, we have to make sure that we are protecting and preserving democracy, and if we don't do, that none of the other issues matter. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, to his

point, arizona has had very good elections. we don't need to be, or have a profile courage, to say this guy one, this guy lost. now, you have people demonstrating, you have a few candidates, a few people go into voting centers, this is just unprecedented. longtime friends are staying away from each other. >> tell me a little about the, obviously this is a multicultural state, some people would have you believe it's, not but it is. there's a very large hispanic latino vote in the state, which is often, like much of the, country a large percentage of that is going for republicans. more than a quarter. does all of this election denial staff have an effect on that group of voters? >> again, we'll see. more hispanic voters have

always been, this is the decade of the hispanic. i've been hearing that since 1970. still, they've developed a greater portion of the vote every cycle. right now, it's not clear. they have been voting democratic, i suspect they will continue. look, as people get more economically secure, or go to different schools, they'll change a little bit. >> there are lots of issues on voters minds. their economy is obviously a very big one. abortion is another very big one. democracy itself is a particularly big one. there have been a lot of talk in the last couple weeks about two things. one is the economy is doing better than some republicans would have you think. inflation is definitely continued, it's a real concern, it's a global concern. democrats aren't leaning into that conversation enough. what's your take on that in the state of arizona? >> when it comes to the economy,

that is a significant issue. we can talk about democracy, began talk about protecting and preserving at. people are, absolutely, thinking about how we. live for many folks, they are living day by day. i think it's important to look at what democrats are talking about in the message. a many are talking about protecting and preserving democracy, to ensure that we have a better economy. to ensure protecting women's rights, to ensure that we are providing the opportunities for people to get the tools that they need. this is the opposite we're hearing from republicans. i have not heard a comprehensive plan from any republican. from u.s. senate all the way down the school, born on what they're going to do to actually solve real problems. it's become, how do i act was asked to troops, big, lie to ensure arizona continues to be at the forefront of this election denial. >> well it certainly. as gentlemen, thank you for joining me on this morning here in phoenix. it's great to see both of you. appreciate it.

>> thanks for having us. >> is the -- principle of the ethics of -- original dane is in arizona. he is the arizona house candidate leader. when you think about arizona, elections and is hard not to think about the chaos that unfolded here for months after the last election in the home state of the fraud. katie hobbs, the current secretary of state, and democratic governor for -- and is that the -- she joins me live here at the top top of the hour. plus, more from our conversation with these arizona voters who across the political spectrum, that they are. democrats and republicans about what is driving them to the polls this fall. one thing everyone agreed, on the importance of voting. here's the message from jacob referred. >> if you find things that were problematic to our communities, things that impact our families, then we need to show. out the midterms are one of the most important times that we can exercise our civil liberties. that's such the play up for the larger election that pe

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republican nominees in arizona state legislative races. saving our democracy as a major issue for millions of americans that cycle, but it's not the only factor for them. to learn more about what's driving arizona's to the polls earlier this week, i traveled to the where -- i was joined by registered democrats and republicans. here's what they told me about what is driving them to the polls this year. >> me right now, outside of racial justice, i think one of the things that should be of the utmost concern is the threat against abortion rights. how it's been politicized by me have a bodies. at the end of the day, this impacts people down their ability to live. their ability to exercise agency over their own bodies. might now, that should be a cause for alarm. a rare reason that people

should be compelled to vote. it's one of the things that we need to tackle as a community, and approach from an inclusive mindset. there are millions of people who will be impacted by this nationwide. this is something that should not be a political tool. me something that should be understood is the -- >> reproductive rights for -- the organization that i represented him a part of, it's a large part of our -- so it is improper to call this just an abortion issue. this is a reproductive rights issue, all the way from pregnancy to postpartum. example, if a woman, or for birth in-person miss, carries if physician or nurse is going to be penalized for helping -- it so that their body is okay in attack. that is a problem, that's where i say goes to safety. it's not the my decision is going to be the less dangerous person.

me i i'm going to choose someone who is doing work that will make my job harder every day, that's my deciding factor, to not for them. >> the most important issue in arizona, when i'm voting, he is protecting the essence of our democracy. more where, for, worst ground zero of this election denier stuff. the audit that they did with the ballot in 2020 elections, i, when i'm deciding who to vote for, it's a disqualifier if the person isn't 100 percent honest of the fact that we had an open, honest, fair, free election. >> and you are speaking as a republican. >> i'm speaking, yes, i most registered republican. i am a republican. i'm also a father. i for little kids. aiden under. it upsets me to know and that's

when i'm watching the news with them, and they're hearing about this doing an audit, county supervisors, county reporters getting threats, people it ballot boxes with machine guns, or whatever they have, intimidating voters, they don't know what it was like four years, eight years, 12 years ago. because their little. so this is the world the make heads of growing up, in and it's very upsetting. that's not the world that i grew up in. it's not what i was handed. for me, the biggest issue is that i'm not voting for anybody who questions, even if they're dancing around, because there are some folks who don't want to come on, say -- >> playing footsie with the -- >> they. are the talking about sides of their mouth. in arizona, the most important races a secretary of state race. >> they oversee elections. >> i think what is driving me is really the protection of the delicate nature of democracy. we have people who are

knowingly undermining by saying that elections but there are not facts. but if there are no fact-stater are signs that prove that there are fraudulence, it's just gross negligence. even cool to be leading the populist to think that there was far dylan's elections. that undermines democracy. we already have problems with people accessing the ballot box, and participating in the process. to knowingly add to that is just egregious to me. that's number one. number two, it would be the politics of division. right now, on both sides to a. both sides to it. the politics of division, right, now from many republican candidates, is the demonization of the other. i can't be a part of that. to demonize that, it motivates me to say, you know, what i can look past party affiliation. past party platform, vote for

individuals who i think will be bridges to bringing us together. at least not the division in politics -- >> and that is motivating you. you are also a republican. i think what's motivating me right, now going to the election, going voting, this is my first midterm election. and, the big thing that i didn't think would be an issue is misinformation. and denying something that is so simple and basic. at the end of the day, i'm what people most often target, i am harmed, i'm a queer person with a uterus, i'm of color, and it's constantly my rights being pushed away. this isn't my land, no, no, it's from someone for california to move in here and make their new company. oh. my body isn't mine, it's somebody 100,000 miles away from me making that decision. because they believe that this

clump of cells has, you know, full autonomy and is better than me. it's the fact that i could lose -- and my right to get married goes away. because you know it's my twice, i didn't realize that. i was kind of born this way. and the battle against misinformation is constantly being targeted towards people in the working class. these are people i talked to every day. and we are just being targeted so frequently like. if we are going to be easily manipulated, whether we're one side are the other, that is what is constantly pushing me to go out and fight. it is not a matter of left and right. it is a matter of right versus wrong. and what is factual, and what does not. >> be sure to stay with, us the final portion of that important conversation comes up in the next hour. coming up the next hour, don -- democratic nominee for arizona governor, katie hobbs, joins me right now in phoenix. it comes just days before the

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overturned back in june, providers here in arizona immediately stopped offering abortion care. but it wasn't because abortion ban took effect that day. rather, as planned parenthood president and ceo put, it they needed time to understands the tangled web of conflicting laws. it is so tangled and conflicting that even arizona's governor, doug doocy, of the stakes attorney general have been at odds about it for months. five days after roe was overturned, the attorney

general announced that he was going to take action in order to enforce a total abortion ban, that was a neutral -- initially enacted in 1964 before arizona was a state. governor doocy, wanted a 15-week abortion ban, that he signed into law in march of this year, took precedence over 1864. governor doocy's 15-week ban was going to take effect on september 24th. but before that was supposed to become law on september 24th, a state court lifted the injunction on the 1864 ban. and since that was the law preferred by the attorney general, the states top law enforcement officer, that was understood to be the law in effect. a challenge was quickly lodged against the older, more restrictive ban, and october the 7th, unappealing court blocked the 1864 law, which then allowed governor doocy's 15-week ban to take effect. instead. the attorney general was expected to go to trial over it,

but on friday, he announced his office will not be enforcing the 1864 total abortion ban, until at least next year. however, he and governor doocy, won't be in office next year. they're both term limited. which means it's uncertain right now what happens -- next with abortion laws, because it will largely depend on who is elected on november 8th, and how they decide to resolve this. now, both of the democratic nominees for governor and attorney general are strong and vocal advocates for abortion rights. on the other hand, the republican nominee supported abortion bans. both of their campaign website state that they begin life begins at -- conception. the republican attorney general, sorry, the republican candidate for attorney general, says he agrees with brnovich. the attorney general's internal -- interpretation supports the 1864 total ban on abortion. one more thing to note about the 1864 law is that it didn't just been abortions, it also

banned the use and promotion of concert -- contraceptives. this is a bet vestige of a bygone era. the state in this country's long history of vistula towards reproductive freedom, it wasn't just arizona, many other states and territories in the mid to late 1800 and acted similar laws against so-called immorality, and obscenity, that included laws against contraception and abortion. birth control and other contraceptives remain legal and constitutional across the country. but conservatives have been chipping away at those lights for many years. imposing owners rosenberg elation's to limit access to, it much like they did with abortion rights. for more on this, i'm joined by elizabeth nash. she's a principle policy analyst for state issues at the good monger institute. thank you for joining us. let's talk a little bit more about this effort to ban the conception. which is not a foreign thing. just not as explicitly as people may think. tell me a little bit about the ways that people have been

restricting access to abortion and contraception in america for years. >> what we've been releasing our efforts around publicly funded contraception, and trying to limit how people can actually access their care. specifically, by limiting the types of organizations, they get those public dollars, that you, know really benefit those who are low income. these public programs primarily serve low income individuals, by black and brown individuals, lgbtq individuals. and so, you can imagine that if you're restricting access to these programs, then those individuals are the ones that are most harmed. and we have been seeing these efforts over decades. particularly, these efforts are targeted at planned parenthood. trying to exclude planned parenthood from time to access public dollars. and what i mean by public dollars our state funds that are specifically allocated for family planning. trying to exclude title $10.

hublot new there's about 300 and $86 million in this program every year. trying to exclude play parent planned in from medical care, it's been successful in doing this. we've had 18 states including arizona that have put in place limits on publicly funded planning. that's the tip of the iceberg. agenda chip limited access in contraceptive. these are efforts to limiting peoples access to contraception, limiting types of methods that people can access particularly through public programs. so other kinds of ways to access limited care the >> inflation of limited contraception and abortion has been going on for sometime. it's particular referencing

emergency needs for contraception. and for iuds. tell me a bit about that. >> yes so it has been happening over several decades now, because most emergency contraception and iuds have been around for a while, it's completing them with the medication abortion. so, medication abortion is an abortion, right, it stops the continuation of a pregnancy, it terminated pregnancy. emergency contraception prevents program and see. and iuds prevent pregnancy. bruno knew two different things, two different purposes. what has happened is that abortion opponents have conflated medication abortion with emergency contraception, and iuds, because they are saying that they prevent implantation of a fertilized egg and what abortion opponents are arguing is that a fertilized egg is a human being. and in fact what we know about

contraception is that it primarily prevents fertilization so get really what abortion opponents are doing is just trying to take methods of contraception and include them in abortions with a construct banning it escoffier. >> elizabeth, good to see you again, thank you for the clarity you always bring to the conversation. elizabeth nash is the associate for conversation issues at good parker. and will continue with dr. jon gibson. she joins me live, right here in phoenix, just days to go until the midterms. former president obama is on the campaign trail. for abortion, major topic. on, >> abortion is a controversl issue in this country. it always has been. and i genuinely believe there's good people who may differ from me found this issue. but we should all agree that

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four months. joining me now is doctor jill gibson, medical director for planned parenthood in arizona. welcome, thank you for being with that. i have to keep reminding our viewers it's very early on here so thanks a lot for doing this. we talked a little while ago about how confusing things were when roe fell. there was a lot that the governor passed, that allowed for abortion to be, in some case, up to 15 weeks. there's an 1864 law in the books, that the attorney general said he was going to enforce, and it has literally changed the whole time until friday, or the attorney general said i don't want to do with the 1864 law until next term. but neither he nor the governor will be around. you have, i guess, greater clarity about what the abortion laws are in the state right now. >> you're exactly correct we have been on an absolute rollercoaster since roe was decimated on june 24th. i happen to be in our abortion clinic, preparing to take care of patients on that day. and i had the unthinkable task

of having to turn away dozens of abortion parish and -- who showed up to my clinic expecting to get the procedures they deserved. we know some people don't have the means to travel out of state, and let me illustrate how devastating that can be. i had a patient who is able to save up enough money to travel out of the state, take time off work, pay for the gas, or even saved up enough money to pay to purchase -- an inexpensive hotel. and when she arrived there, she felt that hotel was just not safe enough for her to stay there. so she drove back home to arizona that same day. with the way that the medication abortion works, she passed her pregnancy in her car, on her way to arizona. it's an extremely unfortunate situation and this wouldn't have had to happen if she hadn't had to flee her state, if these extremist legislators to -- lives. >> operations in the wild -- figuring out is going on --

planned parenthood going on in the arizona's. >> correct. >> it's everybody who requires or wants an abortion able to get it now assuming them not 15 weeks pregnant? >> there is an extreme backlog of patients, who really need the service. i think you've hit on a couple good points. mentioning the 15-week abortion ban, i can tell you, one of the most unfortunate expenses i've had over the past several months was taken care of a patient who had a pregnancy that was the result of incest. and i remember, 150-year-old man doesn't even have a exception for rape or incest. she didn't even recognize her pregnancy because -- until she was beyond 15, weeks because of the trauma. i said, what do you need, what can i do to help? you do want me to call the authorities? are you safe? and she looked at me and said, the only thing that i need is for you to help me do not be pregnant. and because of our legislators in the state, and their 15-week ban, i wasn't even able to

offer her that service. >> you have, in the state, or public and legislators and candidates, running in many cases, head of democrats at this moment. this whole election denial thing seems to be a motivating factor for many of them. but all of them, all the republican candidates, in state office and -- -- have very entrenched views on abortion. and generally speaking about not being able to get one easily. what does the future hold for abortion in the state? >> i think what we need to remember, is that these politicians have no medical training. they haven't gone through a dozen years of training to become professionals, to know how to practice medicine. this is not within their scope of care. they don't deserve to have any voice within decisions that need to be made between a patient and their provider. it's just simply an absolutely egregious breach that sacred the relationship. they have no place to be there. >> thank you for the work you're doing. thank you for joining us this

morning. >> thank you so much, appreciate it. >> dr. jill gibson is a medical director at planned parenthood in arizona. once in a while we make a mistake with these, things and we apologize for that. don't go anywhere, straight ahead, katie hobbs the democratic senator for arizona governor fighting very joins me ahead and abortion fighting and a burglary of her campaign headquarters, there's a lot to discuss. another hour of velshi, phoenix arizona, begins right now. ins right now. good morning, it is sunday october the 30th. it is 9 am in the east 6 am in

phoenix, arizona. the some, i'll show it to you in a few minutes. it is threatening to come up. i am here, of course, for another edition of velshi across america. in arizona, this is a key battleground state in this year's elections. a lot depends on what happens here. we will head back four major implications for democracy in the years ahead. that's why thought it's so important to speak directly with arizona voters. i have one more piece of fascinating conversation to speak with this great group they spoke to. we tackle the role of republicans in the fate of the republican party here in arizona and across the party. among the reason why arizona was high on my list of places to visit this election cycle is because the state, the city where i am right now with practically ground zero for the election denialism that has taken over the gop in the last couple years. it has given rise to a new crop of republican politicians who i must characterized by the fealty to donald trump in their