phoenix, arizona. the some, i'll show it to you in a few minutes. it is threatening to come up. i am here, of course, for another edition of velshi across america. in arizona, this is a key battleground state in this year's elections. a lot depends on what happens here. we will head back four major implications for democracy in the years ahead. that's why thought it's so important to speak directly with arizona voters. i have one more piece of fascinating conversation to speak with this great group they spoke to. we tackle the role of republicans in the fate of the republican party here in arizona and across the party. among the reason why arizona was high on my list of places to visit this election cycle is because the state, the city where i am right now with practically ground zero for the election denialism that has taken over the gop in the last couple years. it has given rise to a new crop of republican politicians who i must characterized by the fealty to donald trump in their

delusions on the stolen election that never happened. a handful of them are running for election right here in arizona. according to the washington post, all but one of the republican candidates running for office or statewide offensive here in arizona have questioned or flat out deny the results of the 2020 election. among that badger some of the countries most ardent election deniers. including blake masters, the republican candidate for senate. back in the early days of november, 2021. he tweeted out a video with the caption, quote, america's most powerful institutions conspired to manipulate the 2020 election. donald trump should be president today. end quote. that is a lie and then there is taryn lake, a quickly rising star in the magasphere and the republican candidate for governor. she peddled baseless conspiracy series about so-called ballot mules. she has refused to say whether she faces the outcome of her own race whether she loses. to understand this we have to go back to election night, 2020

it is important to know that even votes were tabulated donald trump and his close associates began attacking the integrity of the 2020 election. the tipping point was when fox news called the state of arizona for joe biden on election night. do you remember? the trump threw a tantrum in the white house, his supporters quickly gathered at ballot counting centers to protest the results. some people showed up to these places with handguns and rifles -- top handgun officials claim that dead voters cast ballots were debunked by the state attorney general. conspiracy theorist, alex jones, even showed up to further fanned the flames with lies about voter fraud and incoherent ransom about globalist stealing the election. it was a really close election, no tout about that. president biden won the state by just over 10,000 votes. that is 0.3 percentage win. his victory was confirmed over and over again in subsequent recounts and audits of the

election. even a dubious -- a company you will remember called cyber ninjas. even that audit concluded that that joe biden won arizona. not only that, cyber ninjas actually found more votes for biden than the previous count. further widening the margin of victory over trump in this state. in any case, the damage was done. the attack on democracy and the integrity of america's electoral system had taken on a life of its own. it had resulted in a full-fledged nationwide effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election that continues today. election officials and poll workers often become the targets of these lies and conspiracy theories of voter fraud. recently the fbi sent a letter to election officials warning them about a possible increase in dangerous elections increased. it identified arizona as one of the top targets for those threats. just over the past week disturbing response have been filed by citizens, some of them

amassed an armed, keeping watch in the vicinity of ballot drop boxes right here in arizona. earlier this month, a man all the way in iowa was arrested for threatening to hand a maricopa county election official. in august, a man from missouri was indicted for leaving a threatening voice mail on the personal cell phone of a separate maricopa county election official. over the summer, the fbi arrested a man in massachusetts for making a bomb threat against arizona's top election official, secretary of state, katie hobbs. katie hobbs's office with broken into and burglarized this than a week ago. it is unclear if the suspect was politically motivated. it is hard to separate this from everything going around with election officials going on now. threats of intimidation are not unique to arizona. these incidents have been on the rise across the country. lies of the 2020 election continue to spread. two years-long people around the country who have been corrupted by those lies in

those conspiracy theory still look right here, to arizona and its elections, with suspicion. top candidates in the state refusing to say whether they will separate the results of this year's election, it had some people on edge as to what might ensue on election day, just nine days from today. joining me now is arizona secretary of state, katie hobbs. she is also running this year as the democratic nominee of governor. good to see you again. thank you for being with us, secretary. >> great to be here. thank you so much. >> you and i have had so many conversations over the years about the nonsense that many people hoped were behind us. this election went on longer anywhere else than it did in america. i won with republicans on friday, all of whom say they will not vote for an election denier. they do not doubt the outcome of the election. they are proud of arizona's republican conservative tradition. yeah, you are running in a very tight race. all of your statewide opponents are either neck and neck so even polling behind the

republican election denying opponents. >> i am proud of the coalition of republicans that are supporting my candidacy, just for the very reason you said. it is a choice between sanity or chaos. the election denial is the core of that chaos. kari lake and other folks who bring. arizona is a battleground state. we knew it was going to be a tight race. we are not taking a single vote for granted. we are fighting this fight until election day. >> you are still the secretary, the state has a lieutenant governor. the secretary of state is unusually important role. also elected. you've had crazy stuff happening. you have vigilantes. we don't know what happened with the burglar-ization of your office. this is a state where republicans introduced mail-in balloting and it has been hugely successful. it is safe there really is no measurable evidence of fraud in the state. >> absolutely not. all of these allegations are just that, baseless

allegations. we have had mail-in ballot for over a decade. three quarters of registered users use it all the time. >> what is going on with this intimidation the masks in the body armor in the guns? >> this is something we've had our eyes out for. we heard inklings of it going to be happening. people planning to do that. now we are seeing that. it is clear to me that it is voter intimidation. we've referred every report to our office to the investigative authorities. a judge just ruled that he would issue a restraining order to stop it, it is imperative that the authorities investigate quickly to make sure that every voter is able to cast their ballot free of intimidation. we are taking these things very seriously. we want to make sure that voters know we can report these instances and i have other options to return their ballot safely if they don't feel safe at whatever dropbox you are going to. >> we talked about a month ago

about giving a platform to these guys. it is a tough issue, across the country. some of the people who are running have chosen to debate these opponents in the hope that doing so will expose the lie or at least let voters understand what their views are. you have still decided not to debate kari lake. i ask you the same question i asked you want to go. i want to know has you thinking involved? do you really think you don't want to be on the stage with her? >> i think we made the best decision. kari lake is unique and that she is only interested in a spectacle. that is what she creates every time she gets in front of the media. she threw a tantrum about the fact that i was gonna get a half hour on the station that was airing the debate. she threw a tantrum about this burglary at my office. she is only interested in creating a spectacle. she won't answer real questions from real reporters. i chose to take my case directly to voters in town hall

style interviews. i think that is the best choice. >> weirdly, i talk to people across the country who are really worried about democracy. places like arizona or what they are worried about. there is a different energy behind that fear than there seems to be about this kari lake, maga, election denial there rallies feel like trump rallies. >> oh yeah, absolutely. she has taken that style of campaigning and mastered it. she has described herself as trump in address. >> how do you compete with that the state, like every state midterms don't come out the way that you are normally do in midterms. maybe they will how do you get people to say, if you really think abortion is a major issue if you really think democracy itself is a major issue you have got to treat this election like democracy depends on it. how do you do that with that level of energy? >> we are absolutely seeing

that level of enthusiasm among democrats, republicans and independents who know what's at stake if kari lake were to win this election everywhere i go on the ground there is excitement. >> i'm not just going in and talking to democrats, i'm talking to voters across the state. every party who is excited about this election excited about voting for me we are certainly seeing that kind of enthusiasm. that is a unique style of campaigning that is not my style. i feel confident about this race. >> tell me about the republicans who have helped. and they lay grant what he used to be on this show all the time to tell us about what was happening in arizona. liz cheney is running ads in the state for democrats. democrats, old fashioned conservatives, others voting for you? >> i absolutely think so. what we are doing is creating a permission structure for those

republicans that normally vote straight republican we are making this choice of sanity over chaos, you should too. >> thank you so much. all the time getting very early in the morning to talk to us you spent so many years here spending with a thank you so much. >> katie hobbs arizona current secretary of state. the democratic candidate in the government -- we are watching velshi live from phoenix, arizona. we will have more from our conversation with voters republican and democrat coming up. we spoke with liz cheney, outgoing republican -- appearing in campaign ads all over arizona and the legacy of john mccain and what has become of his republican party here in his home state. also, i will be joined by his reporter who was a frequent guest on his show. the sham election audit, the cyber ninjas fraudit, and how it played out in arizona last year. we will help explain all that nonsense. now she is helping to investigate what many are calling voter intimidation.

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these images. people, some alarmed, mast and dressed in technical gear surveillance ballot drop boxes, attempting to take photos and

videos of voters faces and license plates. and response to that, earlier this week three voting rights groups filed to separate law groups against the organizers of the ballot box surveillance, alleging that they were intimidating voters. on friday, a trump appointed federal judge in phoenix ruled against the complainants, clearing the way for those far-right groups to continue. voter intimidation here, apparently. we have seen most of the images of election launches coming out of arizona, this anti-democratic effort is actually much more widespread than many people realize. the investigative reporter jennifer ifill has been looking into one of the groups, named in the lawsuit call clean election usa. in order to hear more about the group they headed to the website. with an easy increase enough, she uncovered how glass this network actually is. jan fifield drawings me now. she is a reporter for hope beat arizona, covering elections and voting. you come to know her on the show because of her intrepid investigative reporting throughout arizona's sham

election audit of the 2020 presidential election. it is so great to have you here in person, to finally meet you. thank you for all the reporting you did. >> thank you. thanks for having me in person. nice to meet you. >> you were in the midst of one of the weirdest episodes in american democracy in over 100 years. now you have started investigating what this group is. you signed up for this clean election clean vote whatever it's called. you signed up and what have you vote? >> we've switched from ninjas to mules here. in 2000 the models brought up a conspiracy theory with ballot drop boxes with ballots that are at their own. and that is where the movement of people watching all the boxes. i signed up for the website just thinking i was on a nationalist. i got a national contactless. it showed an organized movement across the country to watch over drop boxes. >> how big was the contactless that you got? >> 4500, across the people. 450 here in arizona. 48 states included.

>> these were of people who were prepared to enlist and become volunteers to monitor election draw boxes? >> they want to monitor dropbox is. it is confusing. in arizona it is legal to vote other people balance in many circumstances. like you said, they are standing outside of the drop boxes. this is the 35-foot line we have to stay outside. there is discussion of who is going when, what's the code are available. i got access to that discussion board. showing also it is connected to this group the 2000 movie in the first play, truth to vote. >> i'm guessing my viewers have probably not seen trudeau vote. a conspiracy theory movie about the idea, it has taken this whole election fraud thing -- which counted doesn't exist, to another level. they had to you that it is organized. people will take punches in bunches of not rhea balance or violence fill that for other people and drop them into drop

boxes. that is why joe biden's election is illegitimate. >> in a lot of it states it's perfectly legal it is curious to see how they are identifying this they are taking pictures of people videos of them in their license plate sending it off to people producing this movie. they're looking like they are trying to get a second try to gather evidence. they will send it to conservative shares across the country, alleging illegal voting. that really is intimidating many voter intimidation calls are coming in. >> if undoing the standing behind my 75 foot line i have first amendment rights can videotape you can show your face that can take your license plate. where is the line between that being legal activity in that being voter intimidation? >> the coach are deciding at right now. many voting advocates say any form of voting education -- makes a reasonable person feel intimidated at the ballot box is further intimidation plain and simple. there is an argument that we

are not doing anything. we are causing any problems. we will have to really wait and see how pleased a court. >> if you're worried about this at all, we can vote by mail. filling ballots, sending. >> nice to meet you -- the all important issue of elections in voting. up next, after being abandoned by her own party for criticizing donald trump and vice chair-ing the january six committee, the outgoing republican governor liz cheney has launched and it's here in arizona to take down candidates who backed the big lie. she put country over party, it's no big -- on saturday night live took notice of the commitment and toughness. >> one person is responsible for that insurrection. donald trump. one person will suffer the consequences. me! you might be wondering what makes me so tough. i ask you, who is your dad? if it dick cheney?

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candidates across the country are making their final pitches to voters. one longtime politician noticeably not on the bout this cycle is the outgoing republican congresswoman, liz cheney. if you recall, she lost her primary race for wyoming's only see in the house of representative, which she had held since 2017, after she called out donald trump and his supporters were perpetuating the big lie and for inciting the deadly riot at the capitol on january 6th. while she is not on the ballot herself, she's continuing her pro democracy fight. in fact she is bringing it right here in arizona. starting on friday, cheney appears in political ads targeting the states top political denier including kari lake and mark finchem. cheney's brand of politics remind some people here in arizona of the late john mccain, widely remembered as a patriot and a staunch conservative. also a man of integrity who was a trump critic until his death in 2018. in my conversation with arizona

voters i asked him about cheney's and whether her actions speak to them as arizonans. >> she wants to save the republic. she is putting country first. which is different than putting america first. i know that that is maybe a distinction without a difference but to me it is different. country first means you're reporting the greater good before anything. america first, when i hear that, i hear i'm gonna come to the cut a little on. give me jimmy. we are better than everybody. that is not how i think liz cheney is handling this. i think she is trying to save the republic for us before she thinks about her party. that is very much abandoned her. she stood up to lies and disinformation that is pulling at the fabric of the country. >> she is trying to keep the integrity of the party. putting the republic a little bit before the ideology.

she has not lost what she believed in before, right? she stands by what she said. these are women that are tearing it strings, going completely out of what the party is supposed to be based in. i'm a democrat, i think is seeing her republican saying we stand together we want to make sure the integrity of our party and our nation stays intact. i'm not your enemy you are not mine. let's work together i think the big goal is to maintain democracy. the fight that she is making other arizonans come to that conclusion i think is marvelous. it shows the dynamics of how intricate politics can be. >> it's also very telling about the fact that she believes arizona is so central to the preservation of democracy, she is spending time in the state. >> i want to speak to the point we are in the country. like you said there are republicans who are speaking

about this egregious event that happened on january 6th. this was not just an isolated event in washington d.c.. we had our own version that took place in 2020. we have the rhetoric that seeped into the political structure here. you have candidates relying on the fraudulent election denier campaign point. fear in fraudulence that they are tapping into -- sensationalism but they are tapping into. in order to scare people and galvanize votes. when you do speak to someone who is quintessentially conservative. republicans speaking out against these issues. like you said, that should be a startling moment. at the end of the day comes down to accountability. the bear minimum is accountability. if you are doing something that could potentially destabilize our country, that needs to be brought front and center. it is something that should be considered a disqualifying stance. you are undermining our constitutional right --

>> it should be considered a disqualifying stance! except, a lot of these people will win across the country. >> the thing about liz cheney's, she has actually seen the evidence. she has been in these meetings. >> i have a little experience. i said more committee hearings than most people. you know the information, and it scares you that much -- >> to lose your party's nomination! >> i know dick cheney dick cheney is a conservative republican who probably never voted for a democrat. the idea that she is doing ads right now is startling. you heard my other republican friends say, what motivates them is protecting our way of life. our democracy, our republic. do you know what motivates me to vote in this election? it is really to send my

republican party a message. you guys need to straighten up. the big ten, like ronald reagan said. not be the little tent. the tiny, tiny, top tent -- if you are not ideologically pure. if you don't believe that we are the right, we have all the right answers then you're out come on! none of us have all the right answers. none of us do. what motivates me to vote in this election is sending bipartisan message, you know? you do this, you are going to lose. >> a few of you have association with john mccain, right? how many people here? three of you? whether you're a democrat or a republican, there are people that saw qualities in john mccain, particularly in his last years through his presidential runs. some people didn't like a lot of the things he did but they

felt like he upheld the standards of politics that we maybe don't see today. tell me a little bit about that. >> here is the beauty of john mccain, he was a disciple of democracy. whether you agreed with him or not, it didn't matter. it was more about being a disciple of, a system that is accessible to people. are they able to share their political opinions. be vociferously bound to argue the great debate and concepts overtime. stand up and say, this experiment is beautiful. it is an experiment. he treated it like a wholly fairmount. >> one that fail sometimes. >> that's true but it was a wholly experiment for him. it was beyond agreement or disagreement. it was about civility. it was about the great debate. he loved to debate, everyone has seen it. it was about that great debate. the diversity of perspective

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as a journalist it is important to be, increasingly crucial to our democracy, to tell the truth. in the post january 6th, post big lie world where we live, telling the truth means not glossing over or blunting the edges of uncomfortable truths. i'm gonna open up to having done this, just this morning, earlier in the show i told you that arizona has election deniers on the ballot. i did it yesterday to. last week when i was a michigan i told you about election deniers running in races there. to call them election deniers is to diminish their culpability in what has been proven, over and over again, including by those close to their own cause, to be ally. the term, election deniers, is a hedge. i kindness in the form of the benefit of the doubt which is so an urn to qualify is an untruth. these candidates are not doing something so passive as to deny the results of the 2020 election. results that have been proven over and over again in courts in august, even in fake highly

partisan audits like the one that took place in this county, in this state. responsible journalists have norms about labeling people liars. a lot of it has to do wh intent. do we know that the person who others a mistruth or spreads disinformation knows that what they are saying is untrue? in the case of people running for office across this country who did not agree with the outcome of the 2020 election, i think calling them deniers isn't fair to the rest of us who subscribe to the democratic process. who take our lumps along with our victories. those of us who except outcomes even though we don't like them. trying to work for different outcomes without actually undermining democracy. sure, a large percentage of americans genuinely do not believe joe biden won the 2020 election. most of them have been gaslit by disgraced twice impeached former president who simply could not handle a loss. the candidates who trade on that line, the big lie, or liars. we should call them by their name.

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fading voters today is the economy. a recent poll from the new york times and siena college found that 26% of voters view the economy as the most important issue facing the country right now. that is not that unusual. 19% of those polled specifically sided inflation, or the cost of living. i don't need to tell you about the notable uptick in mortgage rate, food, energy, and the price of new and used cars. with winter approaching, the daunting prospect of higher heating cost this winter. these things are real for everyone. they hurt people on fixed income and those who earn low wages the hardest. it is worth noting that things in the economy, writ large, are actually doing pretty well. thursday's initial gdp report from july through the end of september of this year shows that economic growth has rebounded. we are back to 2.6% at an annual rate. gdp is the most common way to

measure the largest part of our economic health. the national unemployment rate was three and a half retain september, as good as january 2020, before the pandemic hit. markets are up a lot they closed last week with their fourth positive week in a row with the dow industrial, on track for the best month in january of 1976. of course, the very important matter of high prices will be on the minds of many as a bull in nine days. they are a valid concern. as i mentioned last weekend, they are simply not, and some republicans would have you think, the creation of joe biden and the democrats. inflation is a good and effective campaign issue the republicans spent at least $50 million on advertising since labor day alone. they've made frequent reference to it on the campaign trail on the debate stage. republican incumbent panda dates want voters to think inflation is a problem caused by democrats but it is not. neither of those things are

true. inflation is global as a discuss on this very program last week. look at inflation rates across the globe it is clear the united states is not alone in this fight. the united kingdom inflation is headed 40 year high at 10.1%. 9.1% the european union. 11.9 in italy, 8.5% in mexico, 7.3 in spain. i could go on and on and on. republicans are simply choosing one of the biggest real issues out there and, to great effect, blaming their political opponents. it would leave you to believe that republicans at least have a good plan, or a better plan, then democrats do to fix inflation. except they don't! they would like you to believe that they are the rightful stewards of our economy, a vote for them wouldn't reduce inflation. as well as that fed interest rate, a federal keeps raising interest rates to fight inflation. in actuality republicans have no strategy to bring down inflation. they probably do a lot of what biden the feta doing right now like many other countries are. it is very tough to fight

inflation without rising interest rates. it is tough to raise increased rates fast and high without triggering a recession. virtually the only concrete plan republicans can point to in the inflation battle is to extend trump tax cuts, which are set to expire in three years. they've also vowed to extend corporate tax increases in longest in the -- a former british prime minister, liz truss, actually announcing very similar economic plan. tax cuts for the country's top earners, the british blount plummeted and the markets are massive hit. trust then changed -- the hill conceived plan in the united kingdom is being reversed because it was colossally dumb. it would be eight velocity dame idea to do the same thing here, right now at least. don't take my work for, though. economists across the ideological spectrum do not expect so-called republican plans to significantly reduce inflation. many say they could actually make price pressures worse.

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he is the author of, what americans really want, really. guys, welcome to both of you. you know what i love about being in arizona, frank? everyone here, the republicans, the conservatives, they are proud of their conservative industry -- they are not all that proud of identifying as republicans right now. how strong is the strain with conservatives across the country? please don't call me a republican or at least don't call me a republican like that. i'm in conservative. i want less taxes. i want less government regulation. talk to me about this. talk to me is how it relates to

you. guys i think to both of you as conservatives but republicans. are you actually? >> that is fair. eight or nine days from the election. i want people to be accurate. i want viewers to have tough -- i tell them i'm a pollster. my job is to get it right. my job is to communicate what the american people think and feel without a partisan tint to it. when someone identifies me as a republican i was pushed back, no. i'm a pollster. i have to be objective. 50% of the republican party is donald trump and that element. 25% rejects him completely and want something different. the other 25% or somewhere in the middle. i would say my greatest concern right now with the election coming up is that we are putting victory, winning, beating our opponents ahead of our country right now. we are putting the election ahead of the next generation. i don't think that is healthy.

that is what we were just showing. trying to be productive, helpful for viewers, at this moment in time. >> we appreciate the engagement, as we always have. michael, let's talk about this. one of the things the republicans right now don't have a ton of policies they are running on. one of the things they are actually running on, i keep hearing this when i talk to republicans here. i heard it last week in michigan. the economy, inflation, the republicans are gonna do something about this inflation problem. i keep on bringing it up. he won i have a long history. you know i'm an economic guy. the whole world has inflation. the u.s. isn't even even at the top of the list. unless you believe that joe biden is president of the world we have to be cautious for blaming joe biden on inflation right now. >> i don't have any expertise in joe biden is the head of world government. i think it is important to break this question down into parts. inflation in 2021 and inflation in 2022.

the united states does seem to be ahead of many countries i think in large for driven by the american rescue plan. we are still living with the effects of that. i think it is fair to criticize the president and congressional democrats were some of the inflation we are having. of course you write inflation is a global phenomenon. especially in the sense that russia invaded ukraine in that sub increase supply pressures and started the supply change in commodity prices to rise. i think the questions about what republicans do about it is an important one. they could plausibly argue, we are gonna have any more big packages. we are not gonna stimulate the economy anymore. i think that is a reasonable argument to make. we are really a lot of policy that went impact inflation in 2023. >> maybe we are concerned about the wrong things. everyone i talked to say they

are concerned about democracy. by the way, republican say and democrats say. they say for entirely different reasons. the things worrying democrats about democracy in the things when republicans about democracy tend to not be the same thing right now. >> you're correct. we've been polling on this over the past few months. an increasing number of americans are calling for non partisan primaries. are calling for first pass to post so you don't have to have election after election. trying to open up the electoral system so people feel like they have a vote and people feel like they have a voice right now republicans believe there is tremendous voter corruption. democrats believe there is tremendous voter suppression. we have to stop this. for the most part of our election system -- i have to look at 2018 2020. all of the people that voted

already in this election than in any midterm election [inaudible]