tonight on the mehdi hasa show, a brutal act of violence in an increasingly dangerous political climate. the attack on paul pelosi is part of a growing disturbing

trend. we will discuss. plus a lot can change in three days. elon musk sows chaos and spreads dangerous misinformation as he takes over twitter. and a master class on messaging. former president barack obama shows democrats what they need to do in these final days before the midterms. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening. i am mehdi hasan. we begin tonight with the effort to kill a top california democrat. i'm not talking about house speaker nancy pelosi and the brutal attack on her husband with a hammer by a home intruder. i'll come to that in a moment. actually, i'm talking about congressman eric swalwell, a really dark case for the justice department that was concluded on friday. a pennsylvania man, that we are choosing not to name in an effort not to glorify his actions, pleaded guilty to making threats to kill the congressman and at least three

different swalwell staffers -- he claimed he had ar-15 rifles and wanted to travel to d. c. to shoot the congressman from california, to kill him. the u.s. attorney who prosecuted the case said in a statement on friday, quote, these threats of violence endanger our public officials and common decency. they most certainly do. but this is the america we live in. in fact, it's not just the america of today. remember this van? it was exactly four years ago that the florida bodybuilder who owned it, who had plastered it with pro-trump images and stickers, mailed dozens of pipe bombs to current and former democratic lawmakers, including ex-president barack obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton, as well as media outlets he viewed as critical of then-president trump. all in the weeks prior to the 2018 midterm elections. his lawyers called him a trump super fan. he watched fox religiously, they said. he was radicalized through its

hosts and through trump's tweets. and then there was january 6th 2021, almost two years ago, when some of the most radicalized members of the trump movement stalked the halls of the capitol, looking for -- well, let them tell you. >> where are you, nancy? we are looking for you! nancy? oh, nancy? nancy! where are you, nancy? >> bring her out here! we are coming in if you don't bring her out! >> where are you, nancy, the insurrectionists chanted. you heard them. it's the same question shouted early friday morning, according to authorities, where is nancy, where is nancy?

by a guy who was discovered by police after breaking into nancy pelosi's san francisco home. police found him wielding a hammer and witnessed him using the hammer to violently assault her husband, paul, before they were able to subdue him. police told nbc news today that zip ties were found at the scene. zip ties. 82-year-old paul pelosi had surgery to repair a skull fracture and serious injuries to his right arm and hands. pelosi told colleagues her husband is improving and doctors say they expect him to make a full recovery. police have not said what the attacker's motivation was. he appears to have had different and very weird views over the years. but here are a few things to note. the attack at the pelosi home comes amid a surge in threats to lawmakers, especially nancy pelosi, during the trump era, according to the u.s. capitol police. it's also worth pointing out there have been a spate of recent security incidents against house members, not just pelosi and swalwell.

here is what is being reported about the suspect in more recent news. quote, at the time of his arrest on friday, he maintained a subscription business model blog where he vented rage over covid-19 precautions and espoused believes shared by the conspiracist qanon movement. the page also includes dedicated sections for holocaust denialism, climate change denial, transphobia, racism, misogyny, voter fraud, conspiracy theories, second amendment absolutism, -- and trashing actress amber heard, the ex-wife of johnny depp. what kind of politician does that sound like to you? president joe biden said on friday it sounds to him like a republican. >> this is despicable. there is no place in america! there is too much violence, political violence. too much hatred! too much vitriol!

what makes us think that one party can talk about stolen elections, covid being a hoax, all event of lies and not affect people who may not be well balanced. what makes us think it's not going to corrode the political climate? enough is enough is enough. every person of good conscience needs to clearly and unambiguously stand up against the violence in our politics. regardless of what your politics are. >> and look, let's say he doesn't turn out to be a right wing nut job, that doesn't change the bigger picture that we all need to face, as congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez told my colleague chris hayes on friday. >> there is absolutely no doubt that the data shows that the vast majority of incidents of

domestic terror come from white nationalism. that we are really truly facing an environment of fascism. in the united states of america. >> as i mentioned, as i mentioned, we will have to wait what motivated paul pelosi's attacker. but surely, attempted murder and a raft of other felonies with which he is being charged, should be enough to prompt outrage from both sides of the aisle. one would hope, but keep hoping. while the gop leader of the senate was quick to respond and said he was horrified and disgusted by the attack, his counterpart in the house, nancy pelosi's gop counterpart, but kevin mccarthy, has publicly remained silent. -- the congressman had reached out privately to the speaker about her husband and was praying for his recovery. but nothing public from mccarthy, not even a tweet. oh no. the de facto leader of the republican party, donald j trump, has also remained silent, you will be shocked to hear,

despite posting frequently on his social media platform. i can't work out what is worse. is it the craven silence and lack of response that crickets from republicans like mccarthy and trump? or is it the indecent a response from so many others on the right? >> there is no room for violence anywhere. but we are going to send her back to be with him in california. >> that was the fleece vest wearing moderate republican governor glenn youngkin of virginia who told rally voters -- who told the rally that voters were going to send pelosi to be at her husband side permanently. he said after the news of the attack broke. i'm sorry, there are no moderate republicans anymore. there was also the republican national committee chair who shamefully asked the crowd if they were ready to fire nancy pelosi. again, after we found out on friday that pelosi's husband had just been attacked. there was the fox host who said, in effect, all lives matter. lots of people get hit by hammers.

disgustingly, there was conservative activists garnish to seize our, a man pardoned by trump, who used the word trust to push a ridiculous and homophobic conspiracy about the attack. to be clear, police have said pelosi and his alleged attacker, paul pelosi and his alleged attacker, did not know each other. as we wait to learn more about the exact motivation for this despicable attack, here's what we do know. especially based on the last few days. one party is inciting violence in this country. one party is expressing glee in the wake of this violent attack. and one party is refusing, as a whole, to loudly condemn brutal acts of political violence. and spoiler alert, it is not the democrats. joining me now is castro, former democratic presidential -- secretary of housing and urban development, the former surfside mayor of san antonio texas, -- the journalism professor at city university of new york.

he's author of the book of substack, and a former republican communications director who left the party in 2020 and is now a senior adviser to the lincoln project. thank you all for joining me tonight. julio, let me begin with you. the republicans say this political violence on all sides, we should condemn all of it. all lives matter. remember, a bernie supporter attacked steve scalise. what is your response to that line of argument, that what about-ism? >> it's completely disproportionate. as you said, one party, the republican party, whose leader, donald trump, has encouraged a climate of violence. we saw that on january 6th. not only that, take a look at how many republican candidates in this cycle, and cycles before, put out campaign literature, shooting an ar-15, other violent imagery. this is what they pedal in. not only that, they also encourage in the right-wing media ecosystem encourages belief in conspiracy theories

and theories that lead to violence, that whip up this kind of sentiment against people like stephen pelosi who has been demonized time and time again by republican politicians. so, no, it is not the same. the media cannot both sides this or all sides this. the republican party has fallen into a habit of creating a climate of violence. and you see that being acted out but people out there who believe these conspiracy theories, unfortunately we have people in our country who are mentally ill, who act upon those conspiracy theories, and this, we are still waiting for the facts. we don't know all the facts of this. but it would not surprise me if this was one of those instances. >> peter, as congresswoman ocasio-cortez pointed out the overwhelming evidence --

show that the far-right is the biggest domestic terror threat in the u.s. right now, is it not? >> yes. it's certainly the case if you look at shootings in el paso, in poway, california, and pittsburgh. and one of the reasons it is such a threat, is because it's been legitimized by donald trump. the most powerful person in the republican party. with conspiracy theory is, again and again it suggests that you may need to use violence or you will be swamped by pedophiles, by caravans that are invading the united states. and who has used violence as a set piece in his campaign. we're going back to 2016, if you remember, trump would routinely encourage audiences in his crowds, at his rallies, to beat up an attack protesters in those rallies. it's a theater of violence, it's always been part of donald trump's stick. part of his appeal.

so, it's no surprise that since he entered the political landscape, we've seen more and more violence from people of his ideological ilk. >> sadly, it's not just trump there's, plenty of other people doing to, ron desantis called dr. fauci a little elf, said he should be chucked across potomac. -- tara, you're a former republican operative. the gop, now doesn't seem to have a problem with political violence. 72 hours later, i know public condemnation of the attacks from trump. which is to be expected. but from kevin mccarthy either? >> you know, it's unbelievable. the whataboutism the normalization, the excuses, they'd rather just discuss, inflation, what about crime in the inner cities, look at chicago. they want to talk about everything other than what's going on in the republican party, what the party has fermented since the era of trump. it's quite remarkable, even the

likes of you saw, the clip of glenn youngkin, those of us who were in the never trump movement, lincoln project, others. we warned people there were no more moderate republicans. glenn youngkin, is saying whatever he needs to say to get elected. he's falling in line with the rest of them. that's what's making this so dangerous. they make it seem like it's not a big deal. you had sununu from new hampshire on cable news this morning, going on and on about the importance of staying on message, the american people don't care about this, yes, it's terrible but they gloss over this. this is very serious. we could've had a political assassination on our hands, that what it was, an attempt to take out nancy pelosi. it's not the first time we, saw happen on january six. we've seen that she's been a target for so long. and yet republicans can't muster up one ounce of decency

to condemn it, unequivocally, without getting into the whataboutism. it's extremely infuriating, and dangerous for our political body politic. >> so that's, the republican party, juliã¡n, we played the clip -- election denialism and the road to violence. should democrats be doing more of that, isn't that what republicans will be doing if the situation were reversed. why not have joe biden, kamala harris, chunk schumer, do a joint press conference tomorrow morning calling out republicans. demand the gop clean house? >> i think they should call it out and i was glad that president biden did call it out and others are calling it out. they need to continue to do that. and also, as president obama did over the weekend. and make the choice very clear. because we have an election that's going on right now with early voting. and didn't conclude on election day, november 8th, look, voters, your choices are between joe biden and democrats that are still operating in terms of

policy, getting things done for you in washington, d. c., and this other party, the republicans, that are peddling misinformation, setting a climate of violence, leading us down a road that's anti-democratic with a small d. and indecent. that's the choice, you need to make that a part of the argument that we make to voters. >> yeah, peter, before we go to a break and continue. you guys are sticking around. i need to ask about breaking news out of brazil. finally some good news. i feel it's bad news everywhere. where lula, leftist presidential candidate former president, has won the presidential election, has been congratulated by joe biden, and bolsonaro, the trump of the tropics, has lost but has not conceded, peter? >> this is the most important election in the world between 2020 and 2024. if only because the amazon the fact that bolsonaro was one of the greatest dangers to the planet through his policies, and lulu as parties to reverse.

them also lula will continue with brazil as a democracy. so yes i'm not surprised that bolsonaro will pull a trump, but it's important that it's clear now that lula won, hopefully brazil's institutions will stand behind at. >> so, i would ask my panel to stick around. coming up, can you believe it's only been three days since all hell broke loose at twitter. i'm gonna throw everything include on elon musk's kitchen sink at my panel, after a short break. don't go away, much to discuss. ♪ ♪ keep it fresh with colorful cookware. whip up holiday treats with ease. slice and dice with the best of them. and with wayfair, you can express yourself. ♪ ♪ wayfair, holiday your heart out.

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>> it's been less than 72 hours since billionaire elon musk tweeted this quote, the bird is freed. what's happened since mosques first day as chief tweet, to start one study from the

network contagion restrict institute found the use of the n-word on twitter jump by 500%, nba legend lebron james appeal to mask on social media platform, tweeting quote, i hope enough people take this seriously. then there's the seaming explosion-ing an app assessment as i'm a class to what. or the anti-defamation league is calling it a coordinated effort to explicitly draw inspiration from mosques takeover of twitter, his pledge to loosen content moderation policies. the adl center for extremism as identified -- featuring antisemitic names in the 24 hours after musk's takeover. of course there's mr. elon musk himself. just this morning, the world's richest man responded to a -- gradually sharing a disgusting far-right homophobic conspiracy theory about the paul pelosi attack. mosques deleted that tweet, weird, i wonder why. is it could be because the paper he links to is a line new -- purveyor that said hillary

clinton was dead in 2016. and had been replaced by a body double, at a presidential debate. nbc news reached out to elon musk for comment. but has not heard back. look at the big question now is this, how can we fight disinformation and conspiracies online if the owner of one of the world's biggest social media platforms is the one actively pushing disinformation and conspiracies. julián castro up, petabyte our, and -- are with me now. peter, the world's richest man now owns one of the most influential political platforms on planet earth. and immediately uses it to push pick news and homophobic conspiracy theories. what could go wrong? >> it's amazing you can look at american political discourse today and say, what we need is actually more insane, fringe, hateful voices being elevated. we haven't had enough of that. things have been to calm in the trump and post trump era's.

the thing that strikes me, sadly, what we've seen since donald trump came along is that very powerful and wealthy people have consistently aligned with his brand of politics, and elevated it. you seen it from the very beginning. elon musk, the world's richest man, doing this and elevating the far-right voices on twitter, is a continuation of a pattern. >> tara, we know there's an audience on the right for conspiracy theories -- for anti-lgbtq, anti-muslim, anti--- it's the audience, to social audience, the gap audience. is that the future for a musk twitter now, and it's still kind of future for twitter is that? >> well, he said that he didn't want twitter to descend into a -- but so far in the last 72 hours, it looks like it's heading that way with gasoline -- i can tell you, based on my own twitter. experience in the last couple of days. the amount of right wing,

garbage, hate speech, the trolls that have come out of nowhere on rather benign tweets. i said, oh my goodness, here we go. i can't imagine that many people are gonna put up with this. i can imagine that even though he may be the richest man of the world, he overpaid by twitter by 33 billion dollars roughly according to greenberg on a less. he's going to have this as a vanity project. he doesn't care about the money is going to lose. i can't see any advertisers sticking around, he continues to sway, it's amazing to watch someone like elon musk who such, he's such a child. he's so immature. he needs attention all the time. these guys with their money, attention, daddy issues. the rest of us are held hostage by their issues. here we have something as important as twitter, which is an important platform, now descending to the house cape that he claimed it wouldn't be he claims free speech supposed to be the bedrock of democracy.

yes, maybe, but not hate speech. and that's what he's allowing and normalizing. and i think that, i'm concerned about the future of twitter, honestly. i don't know where this leads. it doesn't look like it's anywhere good as of right now. >> julián, i need to ask, the biden administration democrats and congress has settled and anything to prevent or slow down this mosque purchase of twitter. i feel of judge soares had been buying to enter, the right would've made far more noise, and express more outrage, dems let it happen as if it's fine for twitter to become a platform for misinformation and hate? >> well, there may have been. at this point it's going to be the responsibility of each and every one of us to do what we can to hold elon musk accountable. i agree with those who said, it's telling. he did end up backing all of, he deleted that tweet a few hours after he put it up. i agree with everybody, look, i think he's acting irresponsible,

immaturely, i don't know how in the world this guy to be the richest person in the world. acting as irresponsibly, immaturely as, and a radically as we've seen him act. not just this week, over the years. but it means, that he will back off when there is pressure. so, folks who care about the truth, who care about protecting vulnerable communities, who are the ones that are gonna be most hurt by his irresponsible behavior. and allowing these voices to take the elevated -- huge platform. you have to keep pushing back. and in my hope, that is going to make a difference in the long run. >> peter, the online, a right-winganti semitism doesn't for the likes of donald trump

and kanye west, in recent weeks, has had a real world consequences. we have a far-right hate group hanging a banner on an l. a. freeways saying, canyons right about the jews. we have a must -- florida football game. and you have the gop >> i'm just gonna say, it's a family we believe so much love israel, in fact i'm gonna say we probably love israel more than a lot of jews do. i need to say that. the reason why say that, is because i've given -- we've given, i would say at least ten years to outrage, israel, and jerusalem. >> peter, we reached a point where the defense from the gop, against an allegation that you're attacking jews is to double down on attacking jews. >> right, you might ask the question. why, doug mastriano and -- love israel so much. so much more than actually many american jews do. i suspect the thing they love

about israel, are the fact that israel's and ethnostate that privileges jews over palestinians. and denies million a palestinian citizen basic rights. which means it offers a model for the white, christian nationalists state that they would like the united states. whereas a lot of it -- -- for israel. desperately don't want america to go in that direction. they want america to be a country that provides equality under the law, irrespective your race, religion, sex. this is not a very good defense. in fact, he reveals that your basic values, are fundamentally in conflict with the one of the most american jews have about the kind of america they want to live in. >> yeah, i also suspect it has to do with evangelical beliefs about the end of the world and all that. julián, last question to you. is the whole elon musk behavior and activity over recent days, are minor that billionaires, we'll too much power in our country? >> oh yeah.

this is exhibit infinity, mehdi, it's a clear example of how the super privileged people like elon musk don't really care, they're gonna be fine either way. this guy is a billionaire, he can expose vulnerable people and communities to all types of potential violence, threats, hey, it's all the same let hate monger say what they want to say. let's bring on people who are known to elevate hate. it doesn't matter to them. that's not the life that the vast majority of people in this country, especially black and brown folks, low income folks live, there is a huge goal -- there. >> tara, i have 30 seconds left. i'll give you the last word. >> you know, i look at this and i say to myself, what can we do, it's important for the american people to know that the righteous after the american people when use towards a particle can make a huge difference. i think to the point of pushing back against the hatred pushing, back against republicans and right-wing extremism.

and making sure as a country, we say this is in the road we want to go down. our democracy is on the the ballot in a week and a half. and it's important that the american people understand the contrast, what's at stake. i think there's more of us than there are of them, we need to make sure that we're united with that, make people understand really what is at stake at what could be lost if we let these people get gain power. >> well said, good note to end on. julián castro, paul bienart, and tara, thank you. still to come, a federal judge refuses to shut down voter intimidation -- in arizona ballot drop boxes. it makes more sense when you know who is friends are. plus, don't forget you can listen to the mehdi hassan show anytime, free, where you get your podcasts. ♪ ♪ ♪ does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity

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the first amendment. this judge, michael liberty, you will be shocked to hear, is a hard-core republican. a trump appointee and former general counsel to none other than arizona republican doug doocy. he is basically saying these ballot watches actions are covered under the constitution. how convenient. this is where we are today. with close elections in swing states and folks being intimidated at drop boxes. how does that equal a free and fair election? joining me now on the ground in arizona's representative mondaire jones of new york. congressman, thank you for coming back on the show. you called for the freedom to vote act, the john lewis voting rights act, the two voting rights acts which has been stalled in congress. you mentioned it included a provision to criminalize intimidation of people at the polls.

talk to us about the urgency of this moment with what we are seeing out of arizona. >> it's good to be with you as always. i'm in arizona, as you mentioned. when i speak to voters on the ground here, they are fearful. the fear is palpable. let me tell, you it's not a fear of undocumented people crossing the border and coming to the u.s. for a better life. it's a fear that we don't have a democracy. you know, 43% of people in this country are concerned over voter intimidation and other forms of violence at the ballot box. this is part of an organized effort by republicans to intimidate people from voting, people who gave you to be democratic-leaning voters. that has incredible, terrible consequences for our democracy. when folks don't feel comfortable exercising their constitutional right. >> you are in arizona. i've got to ask you, kari lake, the republican far-right election denying candidate, leading the polls for governor, how can the democrat, katie hobbs, secretary of state, how can she be doing so badly against somebody like kari lake? a lot of critics say it's not -- she's run a very lackluster campaign, she's avoided debating her opponent. what is your view on this key race?

>> so much a our politics is about the candidate. it's also the case that there are certain dynamics that are very difficult to overcome. we see mark kelly doing incredibly well against blake masters. we also know that arizona is a purple state. it's not a state where democrats have always won state wide. i know folks will continue to debate whether or not katie hobbs should have participated in the debate with kari lake. i like to focus on the positive of what we can do. first of all, katie hobbs can still win between now and november 8th. i'm also in arizona's first congressional district, where dave schleicher, an election denier, who has been fined by both the house ethics committee and the sec, and who opposes a woman's right to choose, it is facing off against someone named -- who is representative of the american dream and who is now running in a seat because of

redistricting and who has a fighting chance at unseating dave striker. he is someone who grew up on food stamps and rose to become a business leader, and the leader of arizona's longest running head start. i think he will do a fantastic job. >> let's talk about democracy, congressman. a cbs news poll out this week shows folks voting democratic, they see a functioning democracy as a greater concern than a stronger economy, versus those voting republican, who see a strong economy as more important. only 29 of people -- 20% people think that's a priority. we are heading in a -- dark and very anti democratic, anti authoritarian path as a country, are we not? >> we are. shame on democrats if they can't talk about the need for a strong economy and talk about the work democrats alone have been doing in congress this past term to cut costs for working families while also talking about the fight to

protect fundamental rights like abortion. yes, even the freedom to vote. which is foundational to our democracy. if we don't have a truly representative government, as you know, mehdi, all things are off the table. we will have a shrinking minority of people continuing to seize power through voter suppression, election subversion, and yes, election denialism, like what we see from kari lake and blake masters and other lower level republican officials in arizona and other states. >> you and i have talked before about how you were a freshman congressman on 16. you are fearing for your life that day. we've learned new details tonight about the attack on paul pelosi, including the zip ties found at the scene. do you share the concern of some of your colleagues who have said, someone will get killed at some point. it doesn't seem to be stopping. >> many, as you know, i nearly died alongside so many of my colleagues on january 6th in the house chamber. i've been saying for years now that when folks realize how unprotected so many members of congress are, it is going to be really easy for them to take things that the next level. we say political violence on the rise, motivated by the big lie and other right-wing conspiracy theories. when that information came out, some of the most high-profile

members of the house democratic caucus, i asked rhetorically, what has this meant for us over the past two years that the speaker of the house, with all her resources, but saw her home so freely invaded by a nut job who listens to tucker carlson and believes white people are being replaced in this country? all member of crazy ideas they see from right-wing television hosts on down to even members of congress on the republican side, like marjorie taylor greene. >> it is a very, very scary time. we have mentioned the suspect in the case of san francisco, his more bizarre right-wing these. nbc news and that police have not confirmed it's that motivation. it's a very scary climate. it is scary. if this is not a wake up call, i don't know what will be. congressman mondaire jones, thank you so much for your time.

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on this show and elsewhere the democrats need to be mining running a more aggressive campaign against the gop in the midterms. many to be calling them out. calling them extremists. and not pushing the bipartisan, kumbaya nonsense in this historic, and historically dangerous moment. but now, you don't need to listen to me, you can listen to the most successful and eloquent democratic president of the political era. yes, barack obama's been turning up to speak at democratic party rallies in swing states, like georgia, michigan, wisconsin. in a, factory as unless conson taking on republican ron johnson and the gop's proposed cuts to social security. >> some of you here are on social security. some of your parents are on social security. some of your grandparents are on social security. you know why they have social

security, they worked hard. they worked hard jobs for it. they have chapped hands for it. they have long hours, sore backs, bad knees, to have social security. and of ron johnson doesn't understand that. if he understands, you have a tax break for private planes, or he understands making sure that seniors have love worked all their lives, hat able to retire with dignity and respect. he's not the person who's thinking about you and knows you, sees you, he should not be your senator for west conson. >> wow, that is that for passion. he also -- mandala barnes as funny first

name. how barnes may need to dig up his own birth certificate before adding this. >> remember, the good old days, when that was the craziest thing that people said. [laughs] think about that. that wasn't that long ago everybody was like, that some crazy stuff. now it doesn't even make the top ten list of crazy. >> and in georgia, he owned in on the joke, the joke candidate the republicans were running for office. >> let's do a thought experiment. let's say are at the airport, you see mr. walker you say, hey, there is herschel walker. heisman winner, let's have him fly the plane. [laughs] you probably wouldn't say that. you'd want to now, and does he know how to fly a plane. >> when he's right, he's right. so, what's the message for democrats, drop the planning drop the counting points, drop the bipartisan bs, and caught the gop for the extremists they are. and go on the offense, the best defense is a good offense. oh, also, don't take my word for it. take barack obama's. coming up, at the top of the hour on ayman, ayman mohyeldin joined by josh kaul, fresh off his campaign with the former president. >> when he's right, he's right.

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be right back here next sunday, 8 pm eastern. to find the show on msnbc hub on peacock, new episodes of the mehdi hasan, posted every evening on monday through thursday. it's time to hand over to my friend ayman mohyeldin, ayman, a lot mask may have deleted as twitter. pushed a prison are homophobic conspiracy theory about the attack on pablo c. i want to ask you the tweets he hasn't deleted. in his first three days as owner of twitter. he claims that he wants to make neutral, not right wing, a bunch of far-right wing accounts on friday, day one, when an account called kept heard called about being shadow

bend. must replied, i'll be digging in more today. and yesterday he replied to trump ally, tom fitted who doesn't want his election denial accounts to be flagged by twitter. musk said, a look into this, twitter should be even-handed, favoring neither side. yeah, aim, and we should be even-handed coming to election denial. is this how twitter is gonna work now, do you think going forward? right ring crazies making wine -y complaints. the owner of twitter, world's richest man, responds to all -- of them perfectly. not only does that not seem to be good use of his time, but it doesn't feel very, what's the word i'm looking for? even-handed. >> yeah, i find it interesting. honestly, quite telling. in the first day of his control of twitter, the racist, despicably use of the edward shot up by 500%. it's as if the race is trolls on twitter wanted to test the limits of its new owner. look, twitter has come out and said, it's a coordinated campaign and that its policies on hate speech haven't actually changed since musk took over. for me, that's actually the point. it proves the point in some

ways that critics have been warning about. that the racist, white supremacists, the extremists, they have felt in bold and, just merely by must takeover of twitter. basically, twitter hasn't change anything except its owner. and that was enough to allow these trolls to feel like it's okay to come out and say these disgusting things. it tells you all you need to know about how musk's messaging, his signaling, has been received. how it has been heard. it's interesting also, and critical to see what twitter advertisers to in the coming weeks. advertising makes up 90% of twitters revenue. if they sit by and watch as this site increasingly becomes a cesspool of racist, antisemites, hate invite size tweets. this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on that this will be on them just as much as it on elon musk.