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to do the business of their cities, their counties, their states, and this nation. their families don't sign up for this to be harmed. and it is wrong. >> the san francisco chief of police on the attack against paul pelosi. authorities now say the zip ties were found at the scene. welcome back to "morning joe." 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. 6:00 a.m. out west. we begin with the attack on house speaker nancy pelosi's husband inside the couple's california home on friday. let's bring in national correspondent who is at the san francisco hospital where paul pelosi is recovering from a fractured skull and the surgery he had to have for it. miguel, what is the latest? >> good morning, paul pelosi is inside the hospital's intensive care unit. his son when leaving the hospital yesterday was asked how his father was doing.

he responded, doctors are building him back together. this as we learn more about the suspect who had some troubling postings online. >> reporter: this morning, the hammer wheeleding intruder who allegedly broke into the pelosi home through a back door, facing attempted homicide charges after striking 82-year-old paul pelosi in the head. the house speaker has been spending time at the hospital with her husband who's recovering from life threatening injuries. it happened early friday morning when 42-year-old david dep broke into his san francisco home. sorted say he shouted, where is nancy? where is nancy? >> he was looking for mrs. pelosi. >> but the democratic leader was across the country in washington, d.c. instead, police say, the suspect con fronted her husband who dialed 911. >> there's a male in the home and he is going to wait for his

wife. he didn't say who the male is. >> police credit the quick thinking dispatcher who picked up on pelosi's clues that he was in immediate danger and sent help within minutes. >> it life saving. >> officers arriving at the scene amid what they describe as a struggled over the suspect's hammer. police tackling depap but not before they say he fractured pelosi's skull and seriously injured his arms and hands. investigators later revealing they found zip ties inside the home. pelosi undergoing surgery over the weekend. the speaker saying saturday his condition continues to improve. the focus now turning to the suspect's digital footprint, a personal blog published under his name full with far right extremism, conspiracy theories and anti-semitic postings. democrats sounding the alarm.

>> you can't condemn the violence unless you condemn those people who continue to argue election was not real. >> republican lawmakers echoing concerns -- force. >> we have to do everything we can to lower the rhetoric. >> a call for civility after a savage attack on the husband of the per of the house. >> the suspect is expected to be formally charged later on today. >> national correspondent miguelal ma gar life from san francisco, thank you for joining us. now on the very same day that paul pelosi was attacked in his home, federal domestic security agencies issued a joint bulletin warning of an elevated threat of violence directed at election workers and politicians. oeb tand obtained by nbc news,

domestic violence height ined during the election cycle. the threat is being driven by narratives related to the perception of fraud in the 2020 election and very perceptioned of divisive topics linked to the mid terms. the bulletin warns that calls for violence against opponents and calls for violence based on the perceived illegitimacy of the electoral process could fuel further violence by extremists concluding that government officials and personnel including candidates in the midterm election and the officials involved in administering elections will likely remain attractive targets. >> let's bring in the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton is with us. staff writer at the atlantic david fromm joins us and the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire, author of "the

big lie." david, i want to go to your recent piece entitled "only the gop celebrates political violence." you write in part this you don't see democratic house members wielding weapons and videos and threatening to shoot candidates that want to slow the growth of medicare. democratic candidates for senate do not post video fantasies of hunting and executing political rivals. or of using a firearm to discipline their children's romantic partners. it is not because of democratic members that speaker nancy pelosi installed metal detectors to bar firearms from the floor of the house. no democratic equivalent exists of donald trump who regularly praises and encourages violence as a normal tool of politics, most recently against his own party's senate leader mitch mcconnell. as the formerly trump leaning "wall street journal" editorialized on october 2nd,

it's all too easy to imagine some fanatic taking mr. trum seriously and literally and attempting to kill mr. mcconnell. many supporters took mr. trump's rhetoric about former vice president mike pence all too seriously on january 6. paul pelosi is the latest to pay a blood price for the cult of violence. thankfully, he is expected to make a full recovery, but he won't be the last victim of the cult. it won't stop but it must stop. as abraham lincoln wrote to a friend in 1863 among free men there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet and they who take such appeal are sure to lose their case and pay the cost. but david, i'll challenge you. isn't the only -- there is not enough security in the world to protect against this spiralling out of control violent rhetoric.

key is delivering those in the leadership positions in congress and across the board, trump supporters but high up around trump, those voices, those with a megaphone on so-called news networks, i'll just be kind. and these web sites. they need to be unity among those leaders that this needs to stop. isn't that the case? >> i have one practical suggestion. just baby step. it's not the answer to everything. but in any other democracy, it was so basic. so fundamental, so elementary as to go without saying but the united states needs to be said. if you're running for office in the united states, do not pose with firearms. do not threaten to use firearms against your political

opponents. rick scott says we need to lower the tone. but just not pointing guns at your opponents is the place to start. in the passage you quoted, i was referencing an -- a video by a republican congressman from colorado. if his political opponents pass gun control legislation and then he removed the gun and smiled what he thought was a tough guy smile, suggested come and take it. meaning, i'll shoot you if you pass a law regulating this firearm. that's not how you talk. don't pose with guns. don't make violence a normal tool of political -- of your rhetoric or politics. >> you mean like congressman tom emmer, chairman of the house gop campaign. here he is sparring with an anchor over a tweet that he

posted just days before paul pelosi was attacked. take a look. >> on your twitter feed, you posted this video. we're going to show. just a few days ago. you're firing a gun and it says enjoyed the exercising my second amendment right. #firepelosi. >> why is there a gun in a political ad at all? >> it wasn't an ad? >> a tweet. >> i was tweeting. >> #firepelosi with a weapon. wouldn't a pink slip be more fitting if it is about firing her, why a gun? >> it's interesting we're talking about this when a few years ago someone shot steve when bernie sanders was running. i never heard you or anyone else in the media trying to blame democrats for what happened. we need to stay focused -- >> we did extensive coverage of what happened to steve. >> no one tried to equate the

democrats' rhetoric. >> time talking about what you posted. you're shooting a gun. our viewers just saw it. >> yeah, right. >> #firepelosi. >> exercising our second amendment rights. >> that's not a debate about the second amendment. that is not a debate about second amendment, #firepelosi. >> yes, it s. >> don't you understand that is suggestive to people who are in a bad state and in this current environment how risky it is as you're talking about the importance of lowering the rhetoric. >> david frum, i don't think that guy is going to take your advice. >> posing with handguns and weapons that are intended to be used against human beings. in one case the candidate appeared over a chyron that said this gun -- this is meant to kill people.

if you want to kill people, you have no place than any democratic political system that is not the way to talk. don't threaten to kill people if you're a politician. >> it's not just about january 6. we had talk of political violence this summer in the aftermath of the fbi search of mar-a-lago. we heard from lindsey graham, other republicans suggesting that riots. he mentioned rick scott, we should lower the tone. then he said we have to protect our election. en that to many is code for what we're seeing in many states including in arizona where the republicans, conservatives are watching the ballot boxes. feels like we're sitting on a powder keg. >> no doubt about it. and imagine how we look around

the world. and we have the speaker of the house home broke in. her husband assaulted and beat with a bam hammer. donald trump even denounced it to this day he has had laryngitis. where is donald trump? he accuses all of us of doing all kinds of things. he said nothing. many of us that are in the democratic leadership or civil rights leadership denounced it. where is trump? who said that people would not stand for this or that with him. i think we need to call it out from the top to the bottom. i agree with david frum that those that are running should do -- say something and refrain. talk about who ran and won and

became the head of the party. the political laryngitis he has is deafening. he has the nerve to go on the campaign trail and say nothing about this. this shows the state wrf we are. >> our show went wall to wall with coverage when he was shot. david, stay with us. up next, we want to stay on the attack of paul pelosi and look at the twitter angle of this. the role of elon musk and the social media site he now owned. the role it's playing in all of. this also this hour, we go live to the supreme court. another president appears to be in jeopardy. we're back in just a moment. e in jeopardy. we're back in just a moment. subway's drafting 12 new subs, for the all-new subway series menu. let's hear about this #7 pick, from a former #7 pick. juicy rotisserie-style chicken. you should've been #1. this isn't about the sandwich, is it chuck? it's not. the new subway series. what's your pick?

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18 past the hour. twitter ceo elon musk on sunday tweeted and then later deleted a link to an article that pushed an unfounded conspiracy theory about the attack on paul pelosi.

in a tweet responding to hillary clinton, musk wrote, there say tiny possibility there may be more to this story than meets the eye with a link to the story from the far right-wing editorial sant monica observer. the observer is notorious for publishing false news. in 2016, for example, it claimed that hillary clinton had died and had a body double had been sent to debate donald trump. months later, it reported incorrectly that trum health care plan appointed kanye west to a high level position in the interior department. last year they reported falsely. bill gauge, a major funder of vaccine research had been responsible for a polio epidemic. musk who has over 112 million followers on the social media platform he just purchased last

week, deleted the tweet hours after posting it and, of course, after many likes and retweets. did the events of this past few days led you to tweet the following? the owner of this site just provided the clinching evidence for my article's thesis. and attempted assassination and the response is cackling, trolling, and joy and evil followed by i'll be taking a 72 hour break from this site. not posting or reading anything until it's more clear whether this site is now to become humanan.com. so i'm just concerned you're going to have to wait a lot longer than 72 hours. but talk more about your premise there. >> i'm the middle of that 72 hour period. i just want to take time to think about it and not react hastilyst i do think twitter at its best can remain a valuable resource. under the new ownership, as you

say, this foul pollution was put into the environment. with no basis. and it's not just that a lot of people repeated it. it is now becoming in the undercurrent of the republican world, this is now very well established idea that the claim here is, of course, we condemn violence and, of course, we hope for a speedy return of paul pelosi, wink-wink, he brought it on himself and deserved it and political violence cannot be justified can be set in a context that none of us ever need to think about the fact that we're pointing firearms at our opponents. and the it was a shameful thing. irresponsible of musk. it doesn't come into his hand by his own. he doesn't find this stuff. he's tend of a conveyor belt that justify violence. that is the point of this. condone, minimize and context you'llize violence. >> the atlantic's david frum,

thank you very much. i want to talk more about. this was ee lon mus who can said he didn't want at which timer to become a free for all hellscape. that's what he did with it. with his -- i don't know his first tweet bunt of the first tweets is this -- what's wrong with him? >> that i can't speak to. he's been a justifiable genius in many ways for very long time in terms of what he created in other realms. this is going to be a very complicated one for him. and most importantly, it is applicanted from a business perspective. but he's now on the center of thinks own storm. and you have to remember that he also owns tesla and spacex, highly regulated businesses and in spacex's case depends on the defense department. you have to believe these types

of tweets the future of twitter, whatever you think happens here is going to be politicized. as a result, the question becomes whether the other businesses thats hae becomes politicized and whether any of this is a governor on this. >> so i just -- jonathan, i really -- i don't care how brilliant he is. he's pretty cruel. that was pretty sick what he did. that was cruel and sick. he kind of jumped on this paul pelosi story and tweeted a lie about it and had fun and laughed and mocked. this is a sick yoe. >> for his tenure, owning twitter. and andrew, i mean, musk here certainly likes to be the central character of twitter. i you can safely say he replaced trump as that. and this one down right dangerous. but this is a business.

an open letter to advertisers saying, that's what mika quoted from this is going to be a safe place. there would be some regulation. they wouldn't be allowed to traffic hate speech and so on. yet he now does the same. is this going to send potentially advertisers but also users heading for the exits? >> look, we saw it. general motors and ford are going to be takesing their advertising. you could say general motors and ford obviously in a big competition with tesla. maybe they have their own motives. you know, there may be an issue here as a business. on the flip side, there are lots of other people coming on to the platform. unfortunately, seems like shows coming on the platform are spewing heat. you saw lebron james come out with a statement condemning that hate. effectively saying free speech

is not -- or hate speech is not free speech. that's a real issue. it would not be surprising if elon musk gets hauled in front of congress like the other leaders of social media companies over the last several years. in his own context, it's not just twitter that gets hauled in front of twitter. >> andrew, thank you very much. and related. >> kanye west posted a tweet with emmitt till. he posted to instagram yesterday alongside a long anti-semitic rant against endeavor ceo emanuel. he wrote in part, you tried to bankrupt adidas and me at the same time. you tried to destroy my life after all the money i made for business people. appearing to use the phrase business people in place of

jewish people. he wrote an opinion piece for the fbl times earlier this month. he said his mental health challenges do not excuse his anti-semitic remarks. in a message referencing kanye west appeared on electrical video board at a tiaa bank field in jacksonville, florida. and the university of georgia. the offensive message xrold across a video board on the exterior of the 68,000 seat

stadium. there was a handful of local and state officials, i don't even know what to ask you. this is what we've been -- this is what our whole show is about, violent, hate rhetoric spinning wildly out of control. >> and let's not forget a few dawes ago there was a banner hung over a highway in los angeles saying kanye was right. none of which he's denounced. but let's remember when kanye started going outrageous, let me put it that way, he said harriet tubman didn't free slaves. he said slaves chose to be slaves against blacks. now he comes with anti-semitism. he says that george floyd overdosed and then he tried to take it back when the family said they were going to sue. then he called them greedy. but again, what's -- listen, i keep my eye on the prize. that is a song that they told me when i was a kid growing up in

civil rights. where is his validator in chief? donald trump. he denounced and disordered things i said 30 years ago or that others have said. this is his current guy, kanye west. we haven't heard a word from him. but he will fabricate and distort things that happened 20, 30 years ago. where is kanye denouncing what happened on that billboard yesterday at the game? so clearly we're dealing with the normalizing of hate coming from cultural figure who's are iconic and i think that we've got to draw the line and stop it. it shouldn't have taken abuse and all of them to now to stop this with him. when he started with harriet tubman. >> i think he pulled out porn on his phone in the middle of a business meeting. that could have been like yeah, we're done. coming up, if twitter has given

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today the supreme court will begin considering two case that's question whether colleges and universities can continue to take race into consideration as a factor in admissions. hundreds of schools have used legal precedent established almost 50 years ago by the supreme court using affirmative action as a means to diversify their campuses. joining us now from outside the supreme court is nbc news washington correspondent. tell us what is happening. >> well, this is a big and historic day at the supreme court. oral arguments begin in two cases centered on whether or not affirmative action is something that is used in college admissions. the big question is can race be factored in when a college or university is looking at a student. i should tell you the mood here is one of anticipation. if you can hear there is a crowd of people protesting in favor of

affirmative action. there are people who are opponents of it here too. there is a long line of people. some slept overnight. the big question and issue is that students for fair admissions which is an anti-affirmative action group, they sued harvard university and the university of north carolina. they're alleging that the universities are discriminating against white and asian students because they factor in race weight as part of a look at how students should be admitted. harvard university and unc are saying, no, that's not what they're doing. what they're doing is trying to build a diverse community. the supreme court has looked at this issue at least three times. and in those times, they said you can't have racial quotas. you can't set aside a certain seats for students of color or black students. but you can do is continue to use it as a factor in looking at a wholistic approach to students. so that's what they're going to continue to argue here. we should note that affirmative action is part of the civil rights movement. it came after the civil rights movement in 1960. you had leaders who said it's not enough to just let black students and students of color

in who f families were barred fm going into universities. you have to take affirmative action and allow them to level the playing field. it's a big question. observers think the 6-3 majority is likely going to end affirmative action as we know it. that will be a big deal which mean that every single university in this country would not be able to factor in race in admissions. it's a big question before the court. one last thing, jackson is going to be part of this but only part of the oral arguments for the university of north carolina. when it comes to the harvard portion, she is recusing herself because she was part of the harvard university leadership. so only eight justices will hear that part. >> washington correspondent for nbc news, thank you very much. live outside the supreme court. so nbc's morgan ratford is here with more on the context surrounding the cases and what's at stake. >> a lot is at stake.

they broke down the nuts and bolts. the big question is what do the students think? specifically the cases could ultimately put an end to affirmative action in higher education. right now, 40% of all the universities in america consider race in some form when it comes to their admissions processes and that's according to one 2019 report. these lawsuits though, they're aiming to overturn the legal precedent that allows them to do just that. so just context this stems from two lawsuits filed by a group called students for fair admissions. they filed one lawsuit against harvard and one against university of north carolina. and that's where we went. they essentially said that harvard discriminates against asian americans arguing that they're less likely to be admitted than students of other races and ethnicities even if they do meet the same standards. then at unc, where our report is focuseded, they claim the school violates the 14th amendment or the equal protection clause which bars racial discrimination by government entities which they say does include public universities. if you think public opinion is

divided on this, you're right. one recent poll found six in ten americans do not want race to be considered in college admissions. but at that same poll, they found that roughly the same number of people do say that programs designed to increase racial diversity on campus, they're good thing. but what do those students think? how does it affect them every what are their experiences and insight in we talked to students on both sides of the issue. take a listen. >> i think that affirmative action is a really terrible thing. i think that it runs, you know, against the ideals of ee quality that the nation was founded on and would affirmative action says is that people at advantage or disadvantage in the admissions process based on the color of their skin. i think that is antiquated thinking and we shouldn't as a nation advantage or disadvantage people solely based on the color of their skin. >> the university says that, you know, it wants to be able to at least consider race as one of many factors in the admissions process because it argued a diverse student population

benefits everyone. what do you say to that argue snment. >> i think that is problematic thinking in itself. what they're saying there is if they don't take race into account that you won't have black and brown people on campus. i don't think that's the case. i think you have to have faith in black and brown people that they'll stale be on campus. >> so by a show of hands, how many of you believe that race should be a consideration when it comes to college admissions? >> all of you. why do you think considering race is important? >> race is not something that we can take off. race is something that is impacted us on every step towards getting to college. this is a place that wasn't built for us and that people are active lie trying to stop us from getting into. >> the questions of our merit and achieving where we are now is a little confusing to me. because white students merit is never considered in that conversation. despite the 300 year head start that they've had. and so race conscious admissions is not only fundamental, its essential to every aspect of our college life.

>> i cannot take out the color of my skin. i can not just, like, ignore that part of myself. so why do i have to -- why does, like, universities workplaces, why do they have to ignore what makes me me? >> just clarence thomas, onest supreme court justices who will be hearing this case, has criticized yale law school, yale, where you got his own legal degree from for similar practices. and justice thomas said, you know, essentially it hurts the value of my degree for people to know that i could have been perceived as receiving a legup to be here. does it worry you at all that if a university considers race then people will think i only got here because of help? >> i know that i worked extra hard than those privileged. i didn't need an sat substitutor. i worked on myself. i'm a first generation la teen -- latino bisexual student

and my mom didn't even get to go to first grade because she had to work in the field in el salvador. i'm here because i did it myself. and i don't care what anyone says. i don't want anyone to belittle my admission here. >> i'm really struck hearing what you said about kind of having to remind yourself or maybe tell other people you belong here. i felt that going into college of 2005. i had parents say things to me like, you know she just got into harvard because she's black. i felt like education was the only way i could prove to them. and to hear that you still feel that way. i mean, am i hearing that correctly? is that how you feel? >> definitely. >> yeah. >> who says these things to you? students? parents? >> it's a combination of both. i remember the first weeks here, ways in the bookstore and i had a family going on a tour in the bookstore with me at the same time and they asked me if i was on the sports team. asked me what sport i played?

underlying assumption you can't be black on campus unless you're an athlete or otherwise provide some labor to the university is problematic and consistent. >> or people making comments ever since i got in, ever since i ott the acceptance letter that i was here only because of race, zis regard aring everything because of everything i've proven myself to do and the only thing you look at is my race. but now we're saying that race shouldn't be looked at in admissions when it's the only thing that people look at when they see me. >> if you just look at the data, black and latinos make up 19% of the body. they make up 33% of students nationwide. they consolidated the two cases back in january but they're now being heard separately today. that's because justice brown recused herself of the harvard case citing her previous role on the school's board of admissions. >> wow. really impressive students. >> they're so impressive.

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>> exactly. >> it's popular right now. >> she got a big boost after the kidnapping threat. >> yeah. but i think they hyped it more than it was. those people are still locked up for what? what did they do? >> they're just threatening to kidnap the governor. >> anybody can say anything. if they don't do anything. >> they staked out her house and had kind of a plan. >> yeah, but they didn't do anything. >> right? just because i think about thwarting democracy and meeting friends and talking about thwarting democracy and putting plans in action to thwart democracy. >> they don't do anything. that's the point of america. can you say whatever you want. >> feels like law & order are a ahh issue for you? >> if you want to plot to kidnap. just don't do it. >> just spitballing here, you have a plots you been thinking about recently? >> we all had had the thoughts like i should go do this.

but no one actually acts on it. >> all of us? >> i'm sure all of us have. >> that clip seems worse today, doesn't it? that was a clip from a new comedy central special hosts and produced by the daily show's jordan klepper. since 2016, he has been talking to republicans at events across the country and in those seven years things have only gotten stranger. ♪ >> as america barrels into the midterm elections, there is one question on mind. democracy. we still cool? if you knew you had fewer votes you wouldn't concede? >> what does conceding mean? >> it means accepting loss. >> no. >> why? >> is democracy. [ beep ] ? >> if the wrong thing happens. >> if there is a problem with this election, this country will go to civil war. >> how soon? i have an airbnb rented in the outer banks. >> the most beautiful thing i ever saw. >> birds chirping, police

officers screaming. >> no. ♪ >> and jordan klepper joins us now. he is the host, writer, and executive producer of the new special entitled -- >> jordan klepper fingers the midterms. >> i don't know. i'm not comfortable with that. >> that is the title. it's a fact. say the facts. >> you like facts around here. >> so you're pointing the finger at the mid terms? >> yeah, i'm fingering the mid terms. >> oh, okay. so -- yeah. >> i'm with mika on this. >> good morning, everybody. >> glad you clarified that. >> we needed to lighten things up. this has been a hard day. you do lighten things up and you also kind of take the vail off something. so tell me what the goal is of what you do. i know it's funy.

it's hysterical. you're on the daily show. is there more to it for you? >> i like to bring logic into the center of america. and so i think more often than not people are at home often yelling at the television wondering where the conspiracy theories come from or what people actually believe. the daily show i'm lucky to go out there and talk to people and more often than not, they're not questioning the follow up. they rarely have to push beyond the initial response they have with friends at home. we may hear stuff in the studio in new york. our goal with the daily show, with the special is let's go to arizona. let's talk to people. what are they saying about the election? what are they saying about whether or not they'll accept the results of this upcoming election? let's bring that to the people and find a little people and find a little bit of humor. >> you're actually asking the key questions. at a trump rally in iowa earlier this year, you talked to qanon believers on who they think is pulling the strings at the white house. take a look. >> reporter: the most surprising

is when i ran into an old friend i thought i would never see again. q is back. a miss tear kwrous character known as q was more popular than ever. >> are you a q support senator. >> certainly. >> wasn't q's whole thing that trump would be rein stated. >> he's never left. there's no doubt 150,000 percent. >> does he still hold the powers of the presidency? >> well, he's been flying around the world on air force one. that says something. >> i thought joe biden was technically on air force one. no? so he's faking it. >> he's running the country? >> president trump. >> and who is running the military? >> trump. >> it's way beyond my -- >> understanding? >> thank you for talking with

me, george. enjoy seeing current president trump. >> so, jordan, there was a thought that the q conspiracy was falling apart because prophecies had not come to tuition. tell us how they are discussing it. i never understood why jfk junior plays a central role, that he would be the next republican leader. last i checked, he was the son of a democratic president and democrat himself. >> yeah. to be honest, it doesn't have to all add up. really? >> it has to be the kind of thing that gets in the way of addressing sticky subjects. what a lot of people don't understand is conspiracies are fun. jfk one is a wild one. he said he is the current vice president. joe biden was killed in guantanamo bay. things that defy reality. but are fun when you're alone in front of a computer trying to piece together a world that doesn't make sense to you >> what you do is so interesting just on the political landscape.

because it is a, very funny. these changes are at times little hilarious. it does relate back to the main theme of our show today and to the misinformation that is truly spiraling out of control unchecked. >> it really does go back to the theme we're talking about that goes unchecked. and it really scares me. this is as a minister, that these people are parts of a cult that they really believe. this last guy you were talking to at the trump rally believes trump is president and biden is not there. how, when you do this -- and i know at the end you deal with the comedy sides of it. are you ever feeling like you want to shake them into reality and say do you realize this is crazy?

they have drunk the kool-aid. maybe it's the preacher in me that you want to convert these people. do you ever feel like you want to bring them into reality? >> i try to bring them to my reality. but i do think we are living in separate realities. i emphasize with a lot of these folks. you go to a community. when you go to the rallies, there is a community. you want a sense of purpose. and the former leader of the free world is saying you're a patriot. go and serve me. i want to be part of something as well. i think what is really scary, they have been given the playbook to not accept accountability. >> over the summer you caught up with trump supporters to get their reaction to the january 6th committee hearings. let's take a look at that. >> what about what happened on january 6th. what do you think about what happened there? >> i don't really know what happened on january 6th. >> are january 6th -- >> election day? >> no. election day was back in november. >> i don't even know.

>> do you know about january 6th? >> no. >> when i say january 6th, that means -- >> nothing. >> that's just a day to you? >> yeah. >> did you hear about the insurrection attempt at the capitol? >> no. >> for almost everyone here, insurrectioning was a non-issue. it was the hearings themselves that were the problem. >> i think it's an abom nation. >> it's mccarthyism, a witch trial. >> witch trial? >> it is. yes. >> a mob of people coming together with pitch forks. and we can't have that. >> with an agenda, here's the narrative we're pushing. >> a mob pushing an agenda. that can't stand in america? >> no. >> we should have an investigation about a mob of people. everybody would watch that. >> are sure. >> nancy pelosi is very responsible for what went on then. she planned it >> she planned what happened? >> i believe so. >> why did she plan to get attacked by a mob of trump

supporters? >> she wanted to be able to blame it on the trump support. >> so you must be watching the january 6th committee? >> no. >> jordan, you are supremely talented. there is a balance here where you are respectful and listening but also finding the humor in it and creating content that is really very funny. what is your takeaway? does it lean toward cult or a lack of information, or what are you finding in these people? >> i think we shouldn't shy away from the word consult. it is cultish behavior through and through. adults acting like children put this in a dangerous place. responsible adults manipulating people with this bad information. you see it today. i look at the elon musk tweet of yesterday, and i know i will be

arguing that point a week from now. we can't have ernest conversations anymore, or if this rhetoric is causing this type of violence. because when you go out to have that conversation, all the b.s. that is being fed, that is the thing you have to get through. more often than that, i find it almost impossible to get through. >> wow. the new special -- joe and i will be watching. we don't watch anything when it's on. we will be watching this at 11:00 p.m., believe it or not, on comedy central. and the new podcast the day after the midterms, november 9th. thank you for what you do. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> that does it for us this morning. jse diaz-balart picks up live coverage after a quick final break. icks up live coverage after a quick final break.

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