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developments in the attack on paul pelosi, the husband of the speaker of the house, as we're coming on the air. pros cures just finaling two federal charges against -- filing two federal charges against the suspect, including attempted kidnapping. we have new details about what the suspect planned to do if he had found speaker pelosi inside the lome. we've got those disturbing new details coming in. also, this hour, new strategies and new names heading into the campaign trail, a big name democrat, now adding arizona to the calendar for a last-minute rally to push candidates across the finish line. we're live with that, as republicans plan to kick off a rally any minute. in georgia, new rallies, on the powerhouse race, one not so close and another couldn't be any closer. our team covering all of this, standing by. plus, former president trump is asking the supreme court, what he is asking the supreme court to do today and the new reporting coming from the white house team on gas prices. president biden set to speak in about 90 minutes. i'm hallie jackson in washington with you, along with nbc news

justice and intel correspondent ken dilanian, laura barrett in san francisco and charles coleman ises with us civil rights attorney and brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc analyst. and looking through the affidavit that we've received now, related to the arrest in the suspect who attacked paul pelosi. new federal charges. bring us the highlights and a couple of things to talk about as we're learning disturbing new details here. >> we learned a lot of information and so people understand, this is two federal charges in parallel and other charges expected later today. in the federal affidavit, we've learned that the paul pelosi that, that paul pelosi told lined up with david depape and he broke into the house and went up and surprised mr. pelosi in his bedroom and asked to talk to nancy pelosi, asking where nancy

was and mr. pelosi tried to explain she wasn't there and wouldn't be there any time soon and he said we wait, according to the affidavit. pelosi manages to get into the bathroom and call 911, and it then took eight minutes for officers to arrive, and when they arrived, they saw the two men, both with hands on a hammer. and when paul pelosi took his hands off the hammer, david depape allegedly sauled mr. pelosi, hit him in the head with the hammer. we're also learned that they seized from mr. depape zip ties and gloves and another hammer and rope. and then we're learning, as you mentioned, disturbing new details about what depape intended to do to nancy pelosi if he ever got in front of her. >> he talked about it, right? he stated, according to what depape told san francisco police department officers, this is in the affidavit, he was going to hold nancy, and they write nancy because that is what he was saying, he was going to hold nancy hostage and talk to her and that if nancy were going to

tell depape the truth and putting the truth in quotes, he would let her go and if he lied, he would break her kneecaps, depape said and no indication of the truth or the lies other than what depape articulated he would use nancy as the leader of the pack of the lies told by the democratic party. and just to underscore how serious this threat was to try to break her kneecaps, depape explained to police that if he did that, if he broke her kneecaps, she would have to be wheeled into congress, which in his view would show other members of congress that were consequences to actions. >> that's right, hallie. and that's why the justice department has filed this rarely used charge of assaulting a relative, a close relative of a federal official with the intent to intimidate and prevent that initial from carrying out his or her duties and that charge carries a maximum of 30 years in prison. the other charge here, by the federal government is, attempted kidnapping which carries a maximum charge of 20 years in

prison. very lear clear from this affidavit that depape however mentally disturbed he was, he had a motive, he was targeting nancy pelosi because he didn't like certain things that she stood for and wanted to intimidate her and other members of congress by doing her physical harm. >> we have more from laura barrett. and we're learning from the affidavit that paul pelosi was attempting to engage this suspect in conference and attempting to engage depape and asking for example, how can we resolve this situation and a conversation about the 911 call that pelosi was trying to place and ultimately did place as well. >> we're learning a lot of new details about that interaction that previously were unknown to us, a lot of new information here and i will reference some of the highlights from the department of justice filing, as well as the new details from the fbi, we do know, too, in terms of the extent of the injuries of mr. pelosi, when officers had

previously said that mr. depape had swung at him at least once with a hammer, once officers arrived, it appeared that then mr. pelosi was unconscious. and a reminder, he is in the icu currently recovering. with a fractured skull, as well as serious injuries to his arm and hand, and though his doctors do say he is expected to recover. but that is the interesting thing, right? we do know that the attacker had entered, broken in through a glass window, in the rear of the home, before going up the stairs, into mr. pelosi's bedroom, where he was looking for the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. so mr. pelosi was able to engage with him a little bit before secretly making a call to 911 which allowed officers to get into the home within minutes and that's where they found the two men, struggling over a hammer, and though mr. pelosi greeted officers, the attacker said that everything was fine, and it wasn't until officers asked him to drop the hammer that that is when he took that one swing, at least one swing at mr. pelosi. and new details also about the

scene aftermath, and i know ken broke down some of the charges, but there was a second hammer found along with the zip ties that we had known about, along with a glove, tape, and situations that may have aided in that charge around potential kidnapping, with the intent of kidnapping. so we're learning a lot of new details from the federal charges. but we also expect to see more state charges filed later this afternoon, the district attorney telling me that she intends to bring attempted homicide, as well as assault with a deadly weapon, burglary and other felonies and elderly attack. >> stand by as long as you, can because people might be going wait a second, you mentioned that that 911 call, right, why wouldn't depape not have left, why would the suspect have not vacated the house, and he tells police that he explained he didn't leave after the call to 911 because, and i'm quoting from the affidavit here, much like the american founding fathers with the british, depape told police he was fighting

against tyranny without the option of surrender which is why he stayed. so charles, your initial reaction here to what we're seeing now from the federal charges. >> well, hallie, when i read the affidavit, there are two words that simply were, utterly shocking. and there's nothing otherwise that i can come to think of that. and what i will say is when you look at what the affidavit laid out in terms of they don't tailnd the corroboration from the interviews from mr. pelosi as well as the suspect in this case, the defendant, they are so well corroborated that for a prosecutor, this lays it out very easily. he basically lays out in his interview, that it will be introduced in court, every single detail of what paul pelosi already said, in terms of how this laid out, and how it goes down, which is why the charges that have been laid out in terms of this affidavit are likely to stick and likely to be very effective. because number one, it communicates the intent to actually kidnap, to actually kidnap nancy pelosi, and to do harm to her, and then number

two, he actually did do harm to her husband, so they were, so prosecutors in this case have been very intentional about the charges that they actually have moved forward with, and everything about what we have learned in this affidavit, from the interviews, supports each of those charges, very, very strongly. >> let me go back to a graphic that we showed on the screen here with all of the new developments and there have been plenty in the last 20 or 30 minutes here about the attack on paul pelosi. the federal charges we've been talking about have been announced and we heard from ken dilanian and he laid out here and we expect to have as maura barrett reported, more state charges and we know paul pelosi in the icu has spoke within investigators and there is a new intel briefing that is out and warning of more threats, which is the backdrop to awful this, as we read through this -- all of this, as we read through the affidavit, as we read what depape told investigators about why he wanted to hurt nancy

pelosi, to warn other members of congress, there is a broader context eight days out from the midterms. >> that's right, hallie and it is about the disinformation coursing through our politics and coursing through parts of our social media. and this joint intelligence bulletin that you referenced that we reported on today, it was issued friday, the day of this attack, totally unrelated, and it focuses, it really hones in on the threatso election, and the midterm election, and it says that there is so much rhetoric about false claims of fraud out there, that election workers, election facilities, politicians, elected officials, are at risk of being targeted by domestic volt extremists. but the same factors are at play in other parts of our politics and it isn't just about the election. there are other kinds of even more remote and, you know, sort of more far-fetched narratives around, accusing democrats of child sexual abuse, that this

suspect was engaging in and writing about and we know from the social media writings, and this is the worst nightmare of law enforcement officials, that a mentally disturbed person sees this bold narrative and acts on it. >> the level of the premeditation by the fed, described by the fed is evident, zip ties, equipment, duct tape, glove, et cetera. he also was apparently prepared to wait for maybe several days because paul pelosi told him, according to the documents, when depape was asking where is mansy pelosi, she is not going to be home for several days, depape reiterated he would wait. he was prepared to do so. >> the significance of that, when you are talking about an attempt to kidnap plan, or something of that nature, that type of charge requires more than mere preparation, and in terms of the law, what that means you have to be able to show that the person took actionable steps in terms of trying to actualize whatever crime it is that they're being charged with. in this case, the preparation

that is, you know, that you see with respect to the zip ties, with respect to the hammers, and then his actual confession, his actual interview, where he says i'm prepared to wait, this is what i intend to do, i intend to hold nancy pelosi hostage until she tells me the truth, or i'm going to break her kneecaps. as ridiculous and as absurd and as shocking as that is, all of that does, it corroborates what we already heard from paul pelosi la is going to support this conviction with respect to these facts, because it shows that this was very intentional, and it clearly establishes the tine of situation that prosecutors are going to need in order to secure conviction. >> maura, let me ask you, i know you mentioned we are expecting more state level charges in the next little bit, perhaps at some point this afternoon, we know paul pelosi is in the icu and we know he has spoken with investigators. is there any sense we may hear from speaker pelosi herself sometime in the coming days, that she may give a public statement? >> that is a potential. we did see nancy pelosi leave her home behind me in the last

hour or so. she left around the same time yesterday and went to the hospital, to visit her husband. we have not received confirmation that she is there, but one can, you know, assume that that might be what should he is doing. she did release a statement over the weekend, writing a letter to her colleagues, saying she was heart broken and traumatized by the violent attack on her husband and had indicated that his husband was improving. so we very well may see a statement of that nature, not sure, for sure, if she will speak to us on camera, reacting to these charges. >> thanks to all of you, really appreciate it, as this news continues to develop, this afternoon, we'll stay on top of it and bring you the latest as it happens. we also want to bring you the latest on the midterms, as we said is eight days away and a big show of support on the campaign trail with both parties hoping for what is the key to elections? do i have to tell you. it comes down to turnout if you haven't heard. control of congress turning on really tight races. we have more from blaine

alexander live for us in atlanta, georgia. and we also have vaughn hillyard in scottsdale, arizona. dems want to flip the governor's mansion and hold on to the senate seat and call on big names like former president obama. >> right. he's actually going to be in nevada tomorrow before making his way here on wednesday, in the greater phoenix area. let me tell you why it is important for democrats here. because for the first time, outside of the parade, in which the two candidates crossed paths, you're going to see the democratic candidate for governor, and mark kelly, the democratic candidate for senate share the stage. it is not often in arizona's recent, i don't even know if recent history is the right way, and let's talk about the last six decades really, in which you've seen democrats really make concerted efforts in this sort of a way, right? you've seen kyrsten sinema, mark kelly, even try in their 2018 and 2020 bids to paint themselves more as intents. this time though, you're seeing

the democratic former president barack obama campaign on behalf of these folks. at the same time, that kari lake is trying to stem conservatives, independents from going and voting democrat, like you saw in the 2018 and 2020 elections here. that's why she is holding a campaign town hall here in scottsdale. she was in tempe on saturday night. this is where the resources are really being focused. katie hobbs, i was with her and the democratic candidate for governor, she was on the east valley of phoenix where you see a great shadow share of these more conservative independent voters who voted for doug doocy in 2018, but then were willing to vote democrat, with the more trump aligned candidates in the past. and in fact, just outside of this kari lake event, i was touch talking to a woman and she told me she wished doug doocy is back on the ballot and she is going to vote for the democrats, including katie hobbs, and mark kelly this time around. the question is how many of those folks are going to make that decision this go-arn? because the democrats, in order

to pull off a victory here, they're going to need a significant share of them. to stick behind them. despite concerns about the economy, and especially immigration here, right now, hallie. >> talking about the big names, in arizona and georgia and we know former vice president mike pence will be out and about as we're getting new polling from the atlanta journal constitution, showing brian kemp leading stacey abrams and raphael warnock and herschel walker essentially in a deadlock. talk to us about what you expect to see. >> busy schedules. when you talk about brian kemp, his campaign has made it very clear, those i have spoken to, republicans sources, even though the latest poll and other polls throughout the course of this campaign have shown him leading by various margins, some within the margin of error, they're not getting comfortable and not resting. one message that we heard repeatedly from brian kemp on

trail, he is urging republicans to the to not just go out on election day, but take advantage of early voting and cast a ballot and show the enthusiasm early as the campaign is saying. and to that point former president mike pence is going to be here in georgia tomorrow to join brian kemp on this kind of a bus tour that he has been embarking on in the last two weeks or so and two stops, an hour north of atlanta and in reliably red counties but certainly the focus is to drum up enthusiasm. and chris christie will be here later in the week. on the democratic side, stacey abrams also has a very packed schedule, on a bus tour of her own, in a press call, earlier today, with reporters, her campaign manager kind of talked about their ground game in the days going forward. and i asked, what does that look like? what are they doing? and they say they are getting out not only the effort to vote but making sure that people know their rights when they go to vote. and they say that making sure that people know that once they're in line, for instance, by the time the poll closes, you can still cast your ballot if you're in line at that point.

we've also been seeing some creative ways from both candidates brian kemp, a graduate of the university of georgia, he has been out at tailgates for football games on saturday. stacey abrams do can the same at her alma mater spellman college. and also, taking the stage with lizzo and letto, two big pop stars in a recent concert in atlanta. centering strategies there. one final note, i can't talk about this without talking about the record-breaking early voting turnout. and you mentioned it earlier, the turnout here in georgia has broken records every single day, and now more than 1.5 millionballs cast, and on that call with reporters, the campaign manager store stacey abrams said they're encouraged not just by the turnout but also who is turning out and they say their numbers show just under 30% of the voters are black voters, and that typically bodes well for democrats but of course, with republicans putting that, splits that message as well and mo one is resting until the final day.

>> thank you. coming up, a look at the supreme court, and where there is some new skeptical signals coming in today with justices, looking at the use of race in college admissions, and what we're just hearing from court in the last little bit, coming up. plus, the insider witness, jurors are hearing from now in the criminal trial against the trump organization. that just happened. and we'll take you live to the courthouse. but first former president trump filing today an emergency request to the supreme court to try to stop members of congress from seeing his tax returns. we'll talk about where this goes next, in 60 seconds. why give your family just any eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. only eggland's best.

here is what is coming in from the supreme court where former president trump is asking the justices to block a house committee from getting its tax records, he basically says the committee doesn't have a good enough reason to try to get their hands on them. i want to bring in sahil kapur

on capitol hill. this is the last stop in the lon running fight between donald trump and the house ways and means committee and it is not like there is another court they can go to after the supreme court battle. >> that's right. this is the years long legal saga and the supreme court is the last entity that gets to decide whether donald trump has to release his tax returns to the house committee or whether he is block them. now, let's rewind to 2016, to explain how the calls began, the first president since gerald ford not to voluntarily release tax returns in the course of a campaign. democrats were aghast at that. when they took control of the house of representatives they decided to use a law that dates back to 1924 that enabled the chairman of the tax writing committee, the ways and means committee, to compel the release of a person's tax returns if they can argue there there is a valid legislative purpose for doing so. what donald trump's team argues in the filing today with the supreme court, after he has lost in the lower court, is that the committee does not have a valid legislative purpose. let's put up a snippet of that

statement on the screen. they argued that the committee's purpose in requesting president trump's tax returns has nothing to do with funding or staffing issues at the irs and everything to do with releasing the president's tax information to the public. now, the ways and means committee argues that there is a program in law that subts a president's tax returns to mandatory irs review and their legislative purpose, they're stating, is to make sure that donald trump's determination to conceal his tax returns is not imposing a heavy hand and kind of short-circuiting that process. so that is the legal argument that you see on both sides. there are two deadlines here, going forward, to keep in mind, there is the deadline of this coming thursday, and the appeals court mandate to release those tax returns to the committee applies on thursday, if the supreme court doesn't weigh in. that's not a lot of time. and the congressional source familiar with this matter tells, if that mandate goes into effect, and the weighs and means committee could get their hands on the tax returns very quickly. the second deadline to keep in mind is january 3rd. that's when the you in congress

takes effect and right now polls show the republicans are favored to take control of the house. that holds, if they do take control of the house an get the ways and means gavel, they could say we changed our mind and we don't want those tax returns and the entire project of the committee getting their hands on the tax returns could be in peril. the next couple of days could be very important in determining which way this goes. >> thank you. in new york city, the first witness is now on the stand in that criminal tax fraud case against the trump organization. jurors are hearing from the company's controller as we speak, as prosecutors are laying out the case, they accuse can the former president's company of a 15-year scheme to basically pay tax executives off the books to help them and the company avoid paying taxes. the star witness for the prosecution will be long time cfo allen weisselberg. and according to the judge, donald trump's three oldest children, and the former president trump himself, could eventually take the stand. nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter is outside of court and bring us up to speed with what we've heard

in court just from this first witness so far. >> they started off the prile, prosecutors here for the manhattan district attorney's office, saying this case is about cheating and greed. and went into the ways that the trump organization in their eyes benefitted from not filing the proper paperwork and taxes, as a result of conveying these benefits to allen weisselberg. for trump's defense, they said allen weisselberg has all of this pressure on him, he had to essentially plead guilty in this case, that was his best option, his best way of moving forward, and look, really at the end of the day, the guy who gave himself the benefit as the cfo is the guy who benefitted the most and any sort of wrongdoing by the trump organization in not filing things was really negligible at best. the person on the stand, the controller for the trump organization, and we haven't gotten an update since i stepped out of the court building to get a sense of which way the testimony is going and he did

happen to mention that working for allen weisselberg was one of the best job experiences of his life. but he is expected to testify here to the finer points and details, as far as what was conveyed to allen weisselberg, what specific benefits did he have because ultimately the controller was in charge, the accountant was in charge of the purse strings. and overall, the prosecutors call it 15 years of a scheme to benefit allen weisselberg and cars and an apartment, a garage for those cars, and it is not illegal for him to have gotten those benefits, but prosecutors say he did break state law when he didn't pay the appropriate taxes on them, and that's why we're here, and that's why the trump organization is on trial, ultimately a $1.5 million penalty could be levied against the company, if they're found guilty. >> tom winter outside court, thank you. still ahead the supreme court taking on race and college

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right now, here in washington, you've got an oath keeper on the stand, testifying against other members of that far right militia group, in this seditious conspiracy trial that's happening. jurors also today are hearing from capitol police officer

harry dunn, you can see him ler there, and if it is a familiar face to you, he has been outspoken about what he has gone through, what it is like defending the capital on the 6th and he was on the stand rejecting the defense's main argument that members of the far right were helping him on january 6th. he said that is not the case. ryan reilly is following the case for us. hey, ryan. good afternoon. >> reporter: good to see you. so the 57-year-old on the stand right now, he went online, by the name gen x patriot and some of the encrypted chats that he was discussing ahead of the january 6th event. essentially, he said that after the 2020 election, he got sucked into a lot of online rabbit holes and spending way too much time on facebook, on youtube, and listening to what the former president trump's lawyers had to say about the 2020 election, and actually believed all of the election lies that were being spread. so he traveled, with his sister, actually, he joined the oath keepers, and then he joined to

dc on january 6th, and he said that he thought he was part of what he described as an historic event, he compared it to the storm of the bastille in the 1700s as the french revolution and described himself as somewhat of a history buff and thought he was taking part in what would be a history-making event. afterwards on facebook, he talked about how they stormed the capitol and described what he was intending and now he has regrets about what he did, but at the time, he didn't, he was into it. and that's sort of what he was describing on the stand, how, you know, now he feels very bad about what he put officers through but at the time he was trying to interrupt what was happening inside the capitol, the certification of president joe biden's electoral college win, on january 6th. >> ryan reilly, live for us there outside of court, thank you. to another court now, the supreme court, if you will. today, affirmative action in universities whether it is necessary and challenging the

use of race in college admission, the lawsuits were brought by students and conservative activists and they argued that those policies at harvard and the university of north carolina unfairly districted against certain racial groups and favor others. nbc news washington correspondent yamichealcindor joins us now and the lawsuits saying that you can consider race in the admissions process because universities have an interest in a diversified body. the justices are skeptical of the case being made. >> reporter: that's right, hallie, this was a big historical day at the supreme court and a contentious day. we saw a number of instances where the justices both the liberals, the ones that were considered liberals, as well as those justices who are considered conservatives, they had real pointed questions. and i want to tick through some of the highlights of the moments and the first one with ketanji brown jackson, when they were hearing the university of north carolina portion of this,

because she recused herself from the harvard university portion, she talked about whether or not race is the only consideration and she said essentially that if the universities are looking at a holistic approach why can't race be part of a number of things, including es as and socioeconomic background and why is it okay for a student with a legacy, whose grandparents or parents went there, why is it okay to get credit and why is it not okay to say my ancestors were enslaved and couldn't go to the university. and justice thomas asked this, is diversity valuable. and i heard the word diversity quite a few times, i don't vr v-a clue what it means and he was essentially saying what is diversity and why should it be valuable because universities both harvard and unc are both saying that affirmative action is important because they want to build a diverse community. and we heard from the chief justice thomas, and he talked about the idea, could, chief justice roberts, could neutral policies achieve the same result and asking the same question, if

you took race out, could you look at essays or whether someone is from a rural or urban background and wondering whether or not if you take away race, are there other ways to have a diverse community. critical questions. a 6-3 majority court. and this could be the end of the affirmative action as we know it as it relates to college admissions. >> so play that out, right? if that happens, if the court does overturn that precedent, what is the practical impact? what does it mean for students? what comes next? >> well, what could come next is that there could be an end to affirmative action across the country. and what that could mean is that you have diversity go down in the number of universities, and that's what civil rights leaders and people are arguing in favor of affirmative action say, they say if you take away affirmative action, you will get a case where you see a number of black students in particular, and maybe native americans, those numbers go down, there was a lot of talk about simulation, that the students for fair admissions, their lawyers did, and they were saying there are all of these different ways that we can still have diversity, while still keeping race out of this, but then those same

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so behind the scenes, elon musk is reportedly firming up plans to lay off like a quarter of the people who work at twitter. 25% of the work force there. he's doing this overhaul of the platform and it is just in its early days. the "washington post" reports that musk's inner circle has huddled with the senior executives who are left for the weekend, talking about the layoffs, which should begin by tomorrow. according to the "post". with the new team also trying to figure how to best moderate content. and authorities are anonymously talking to the post and they say they are totally in the dark about what is going to come next. twitter, musk, and others did

not return a request for comment. we have more on twitter and cutting 75% of the work force and now he said no i'm not going to do, it is 25%, and talk to us about the scope and more importantly what it means and people will lose their jobs and change the way twitter looks? >> thank you for having me. that's right. and so musk and his team have been looking at twitter, and they're basically in an assessment mode, and trying to figure out what they have inherited here, and what personnel moves they need to make. when musk issued that 75% number, it was to invest, pitching people on the site, and now he has to execute on the plans, and so this, what we're hearing about with the initial round of targeted layoffs, presumably somewhat imminently,

the senior staff were called in to the san francisco offices over the weekend, and it looks like they're in new york, touring those offices, and holding meetings today. so it remains to be seen how they go through with these plans. but certainly, it can have a big effect on the platform in terms of content moderation, and just in terms of the basic offerings of twitter and the ability to run its service, especially as you look for the higher numbers. >> you're right, there is this, what is so interesting to me, this is the unanswerable question, is what is musk up to, right? and nobody has an answer to that unless your name is elon musk. and we know that he's, what, a 72 plus hours on twitter, and he has fired four top executives and looking at twitter software code and he is thinking about what content moderation looks like, with his council of experts but pushing misinformation, for example, about the attack on nancy pelosi's husband. how are we supposed to look at this as a well and make any

sense, if that's at all possible, as to what this platform, which it is not used by everybody in america, just a small percentage, but it still has some influence, what fitter looks like with him in charge? >> yes, i mean on the last point, it's a highly influential platform that pushes above its weight in terms of world leaders who are on there, and other influential voices, and of course, the media, and so what we should be looking at and what we're interested in, is exactly what you said, like what he's up to, behind the scenes there, and you know, one quick insight into what he is doing. >> please. >> he shared a tweet yesterday where he appeared to have been maybe name searching himself, or otherwise trying to find internal messages relevant to him, and this internal message that he tweeted about showed what he believed was proof that twitter may have been misleading him in his court battle. so he's doing what someone who

maybe would not be a ceo position, but someone who might do, who inherited like a new thing, and they just want to get to the bottom of like what is everything i now have, you know, what's everything i now have gotten my hands on, and how does this affect me. >> "washington post" reporter, thank you. it is great reporting. i'm sure you will have more in the days to come. appreciate it. still ahead president biden getting ready to speak about gas prices. just about 45 minutes or so. blasting oil companies, we expect, as they rake in big money. our team is live at the white house with a preview. plus, getting a new report on ufos and the great beyond, what congress knows and what the public does not know, yet. coming up. coming up.

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i know it's classified, which means we don't get to see it. we don't get to look at it, but it does move the ball forward to member of congress about something that has a lot of interest for folks around the country. >> reporter: and at this point, they're being to secretive about it, we don't know if they have even received this report. but the sense we're getting, the new york times and others have reported on this is it's probably not going to be all that satisfying to the legion of people that follow the theories of ufos. there are some explanations. it could be things like weather balloons, just junk from aircraft that has found its way into the atmosphere. it also has the potential of being a spy technology, drones and other forms of aircraft that are being used by other countries, particularly in a military capacity, which is part of the reason that they're keeping so much of this information under wraps.

we saw a report last year over the summer. we have seen testimony on capitol hill. the overwhelming conclusion here is for the vast majority of these reports, government officials do not have an explanation for them. that's what allows so many people to fill the blanks with this idea that perhaps it could be aliens from another planet. they continue to say that that is very unlikely. but it is halloween, so they aren't officially ruling it out. at least nothing we've seen yet to definitively say it isn't aliens. probably not. but who knows. >> was it intentional for spooky season? i'm just asking the question. >> seems oddly coincidental. >> i appreciate it. we have president biden set to speak at the white house in 30 minutes or so. he's going to call out oil companies for making a lot of

money while not helping to lower gas prices for americaning. oil companies are reporting their third quarter earnings, and they're looking good. exxon, highest ever. shell, second highest ever. monica, i would be remiss to note that it is merely eight days until election day as president biden is giving a speech on something almost every american cares a lot about, the price of gas. >> reporter: certainly this is not a convince dense. with just over a week to go, the white house and the president keenly aware of this economic picture and a final pitch the president wants to make particularly when it comes to high prices at the pump. this is an event that was added to the president's schedule late in the day. we didn't know it was going to happen. you can expect the president to come out and continue to say what he has been for some weeks and months, which is that he does find these profits unacceptable. he's going to continue to call for those companies and energy producers to try to help everyday americans.

that's for a very simple reason. he's going to say that has exacerbated inflation, which has taken a toll on his own approval rating. again with those midterms just around the corner, the president is going to be making that kind of connection. we're not really sure if he's going to propose anything new here. if he were to lay out something like the possibility of a windfall tax, congress would have to approve something like that. that would be difficult given the razor thin margins, given if republicans were to take one chamber of congress or both. so the president is going to put this on to context. he's going to talk about the fact that we saw very high gas prices over the summer, and those have come down. that's something the white house loves to talk about every single day. he will reiterate that is not enough for the americans who are

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