happened to steve scalise, our colleague. >> it is not impossible to protect our kids at school. they act like it is. nancy pelosi, well, she's got protection when she's in d.c. apparently her house doesn't have a lot of protection. [ laughter ] but -- >> grace versus mockery, humanity versus cruelty. the republican candidate for governor of arizona, kari lake, cracking a flippant joke last night about the brutal attack of speaker nancy pelosi's 82-year-old husband. compare that, as you saw, with speaker pelosi's compassionate response to a shooting that critically wounded her republican colleague steve scalise. welcome back to "morning joe." 6:00 a.m. on the west coast. 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. with willie and me, jonathan lemire and mike barnicle here. joe will be back with us

tomorrow. we are one week away from the midterms. president joe biden heads back on the campaign trail this afternoon in a last-minute attempt to win over voters. we'll get live reports from two key battleground states, pennsylvania and georgia, in just a moment. ambassador ahead, a key government witness in the seditious conspiracy trial of the founder of the oath keepers testified he believed the january 6th attack on the capitol could start a new american revolution. we'll have these details for you straight ahead. and we'll be joined by a member of the january 6th select committee congressman adam kinzinger. willie? >> let's begin with new details on the assault on house speaker nancy pelosi's 82-year-old husband at the couple's san francisco home. the suspect scheduled to be appearing in court later today. david depape is being charged with a number of felonies including attempted murder as well as federal crimes that include the attempted kidnapping of a federal official. miguel almaguer has the latest

from san francisco. >> reporter: according to a new federal complaint, the man accused of attacking paul pelosi with a hammer told police he wanted to hold house speaker nancy pelosi hostage and break her kneecaps if she didn't tell the truth. his alleged intent, to have nancy pelosi wheeled into congress to show other members of congress there were consequences to actions. >> this wasn't politically motivated. >> reporter: according to the federal complaint, officers found white rope, a roll of tape, another hammer, rubber and cloth gloves, and a journal in david depape's backpack. zip ties were also found in the pelosi residence. >> what i do know, him being at that house was intentional, deliberate, not random at all. >> reporter: with the 82-year-old still recovering from a fractured skull, the speaker of the house says, "paul is making steady progress on what will be a long recovery."

depape is set to be arraigned in court today. the complaint reveals new details in the time line of the assault. paul pelosi telling police he woke to find depape in his room, looking for the house speaker at 2:23 a.m. pelosi was able to call 911 from a bathroom. >> rp stated there's a male in the home and he's waiting for his wife. >> reporter: minutes later officers found depape and paul pelosi gripping a hammer. depape swung the hammer at the 82-year-old pelosi, striking him in the head. do you think his intent was to kill? >> certainly to kill mr. pelosi at the time he wielded that hammer. >> reporter: while the suspect's mental state and online posting are being investigated, prosecutors say evidence shows he was thinking clearly enough to carry out his plans. >> i believe that he engaged in very goal-oriented behavior, that this was planned, and clearly he was able to execute this.

>> reporter: a brutal home invasion authorities say was intended for the speaker of the house. >> nbc's miguel almaguer reporting. joining us now, republican congressman adam kinzinger, a member of the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. thanks for your time this morning. obviously, this is a disease in our politics, in our country that you've been talking about for a long time, particularly in the days, weeks, months and now years after the attack on the capitol on january 6th. what led us here? i know it's a long conversation. and what would you rather hear from republicans than jokes about a hammer attack and the attempted murder of an 82-year-old man? >> i guess you can raise money on the cruelty and it's hilarious now. trump jr. tweeting "underwear and a hammer." these conspiracies out there that this was a love tris gone

wrong, this is why we have to call this out. i am glad we're talking about the conspiracy theory, because usually we ignore them and they actually grow online. it's ludicrous. i'd like to see some semblance of humanity. i'd like to see every republican candidate and elected official say you condemn this attack, that's really basic, say you condemn the attack. but secondarily, recognizing the fact when you convince people an election was stolen, convince people that there are lizard people that drink babies' blood, i'm not even joking, that's actually what a lot of folks believe, eventually you'll find somebody that acts on that, because frankly we've been raised in a country to believe that if your government is not representing you, if it's truly tyranny, you're going to have a revolution. some of these people are convinced this is true tyranny and it is incumbent on us as leaders to just stand up and say you can't do this. this is wrong. if you don't do it, by the way, your silence is acquiescing to

it. and i think every member of the media, right or left, needs to press every member of congress and candidate until they answer this question, including kevin mccarthy, who i think has yet to make a statement. >> he has condemned the violence but not in any specific terms. congressman, to your point, the man who perpetrated this attack, who allegedly did, and he confessed in this affidavit yesterday, said he was comparing himself to the founding fathers fighting tyranny, believes he's part of some larger struggle, and as to the conspiracy theories, we want to say again, to get the right information out, the police chief of san francisco said there's absolutely no evidence mr. pelosi knew this man, as a matter of fact, the evidence indicates the exact opposite. that's a quote from the police chief. the larger question here is why are you the only one? why is liz cheney the only one in moments like this who has the guts to speak out? and by the way, i can't believe we're calling it guts to condemn

the hammer attack of an 82-year-old man and the assassination attempt, perhaps, if she were home, speaker pelosi. we're not talking about election or vaccine conspiracies, this is speaked out against the attempted murder of an elderly man. why is it so hard for republicans to do that? >> because we're close the an election. in the new view on the extreme is you don't ever admit defeat, never back off. when elon deleted his tweet, people were like you're acquiescing to the left-wing mob, i want to make it clear -- by the way, liz and i are not courageous. there's no strength in this. we're just surrounded by cowards. it looks like courage when it's your bare duty. some of what you'll see on the conspiracy right is that, well, look, back in 2013, he was a nudist or something or he was a bernie or whatever it was.

there was something on the left. what that proves to me is how quickly people have been radicalized into this qanon thing. everybody has a friend that used to be somebody on the left or in the center or reasonable that within a period of a month or two is reading the internet and is now radicalized. that goes to show me the huge issue that we have here. >> we do. jonathan lemire, in your book "the big lie," and your reporting on what happened on january 6th, let's talk about that call that kevin mccarthy made to trump. he called him during the riot, correct? that's right. he called the white house and asked trump to call off those rioters because they were extremists and because mccarthy and other lawmakers' lives were in danger. >> how was that conversation? a normal, light conversation or was kevin concerned? >> kevin mccarthy was obviously upset at the time, people privy to the call say. and trump said in response, instead of saying he would call off the rioters, instead said, well, they, meaning the mob, cared more about the election results than you do.

>> why did kevin mccarthy call president trump? was there anyone else he could have called? >> president trump was of course -- the people who were storming the capitol were doing so in trump's name. so mccarthy and others felt the only person who could have called them off would have been trump. >> with that in mind, congressman, do you believe republican leaders, especially those that follow trump, folks like ted cruz even and members of congress, marjorie taylor greene, matt gates, others, they're close with trump and doing a lot of things like retweeting and posting conspiracy theories and mocking what happened to pall pelosi. do you think that these leaders could actually help quell the growing political violence we are seeing and will see in this country if they were to speak out directly against it? >> yeah. 100%. this is the whole issue we had after january 6th when kevin mccarthy literally resurrected donald trump's political career when he went to mar-a-lago, is we have reached a moment where

if everybody had stood out and spoken out, they could have changed something. look, we swear an oath to the constitution, and i know that gets thrown a lot and kind of the cheap thing to say now sadly, but i swear an oath to the constitution not to the 700,000 people i represent. my oath, i don't make an oath to my district. i don't make an oath to my constituents. i make an oath to the constitution because our founding fathers knew that there would be a moment where things would get hard and you would have to go against the popular will of your base or whatever that is and stick to the constitution. i think it is incumbent on anybody who has sworn that oath, whether it's ted cruz, marjorie taylor greene, or anybody, if they truly believe in that honor, they have to stand up and defend it. doesn't mean you have to now all of a sudden say the democrats are right or you don't have to, you know, condemn the democrats on this or that. but you cannot be up there stoking violence. you cannot say that an election

was stolen when it wasn't, because that is going to encourage out of millions of people in this country somebody to take violent action. >> to the congressman's point, it's not just that kevin mccarthy went to mar-a-lago and resurrected donald trump's career, he apologized to trump for that phone call on january 6th. >> really truly weak in its worst order. and called him when no one was looking and in public completely different. the truth is that there are republicans, kevin mccarthy would be one of the top ones, who could say something now that could change the course of history and change what we're seeing as a violent swirl toward the far right and a cult, really, preying upon the minds of deranged people like depape. now at least three republicans running for the house attended the stop the steal rally on january 6th and made their way toward the u.s. capitol during the insurrection to stop joe biden's election.

that's according to reporting from the associated press. the a.p. report continues, "countless other house republican candidates are skeptics and deniers of the 2020 election, lost by donald trump." all told, the house gop's class of 2022 midterm candidates includes a new generation of political outsiders, populist, and some extremists who bring an intensity to capitol hill. they would be an untested and potentially unruling majority if republicans win the house, and then meanwhile nbc news can confirm a politico report that the leading house republicans on the oversight and judiciary committees are planning to hold a press conference the week after the midterms on where their investigation into hunter biden stands and what comes next. congressman, your response? >> i mean, it's zero surprise. this is -- i think you are going to see an attempt to impeach joe

biden. i say it facetiously but i may be right -- every week. there's always going to be somebody introducing a new bill to impeach joe biden. this is the moment. it's all about how can you drive online fundraising, how can you radicalize. trying to do it with country first. we've endorsed some democrats this year particularly for secretary of state positions because they have to defend these elections. we're in a pretty bad moment. and let's all stand up and say this is unacceptable. for one moment, an alliance for democracy. >> congressman, you've been in the how else for ten years. you're leaving at the end of this term. can you chart just in those ten years from your arrival in the house the slow descent -- maybe it wasn't a slow descent through your eyes -- the descent into what we are witnessing now in the republican party? >> yeah. it would take me a half hour. it's been 12 years but it feels

like 2 i guess or 10. look, it started from using anger, right, which i think people are legitimately angry, and then it got to the point where i would see one or two people spreading conspiracies. i mean, louie gomer used to talk about -- i forget the name of the operation in texas where they were going to i don't ever overthrow the government. you know, and that was weird. we had one republican in dana rohrabacher to donald trump accelerated it. i don't think he started it. he accelerated it. by the way, next year, it won't be people that know better that just go out and lie, which is most members of congress are, they know the election wasn't stolen but that he eel use it, you're getting true believers next year. that's frightening to me. >> congressman adam kinzinger, thank you very much for being on this morning. see you again soon. still ahead, one of the january 6th insurrectionists admits in court that he acted like traitor after getting lost

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the midterms exactly one week away and president joe biden will hit the campaign trail with a trip to ft. lauderdale, florida. we're told the president will discuss what his administration has done to strengthen medicare and social security protections

among other issues. the president will also reunite with former president barack obama on the campaign trail this weekend. the white house says two leaders will take the stage together in philadelphia on saturday to stump in the final hours for pennsylvania's democratic nominees for governor and senate, josh shapiro and john fetterman. polls scioscia pero holding a healthy lead over his republican opponent, doug mastriano, who was at the capitol on january 6th. fetterman, meanwhile, has seen his once large lead over republican mehmet oz shrink down to single digits in recent weeks as concerns linger about his health following a stroke he suffered earlier this year. nbc news correspondent dasha burns will be covering the rally and joins us now from lucerne, pennsylvania. dasha, good morning. what does it look like there today? >> reporter: well, willie, you mentioned biden and obama coming to philly, the same day that trump will be in latrobe stumping for oz and mastriano. the democrats really need to get

turnout in philly and in those collar counties around philadelphia because they lost places like luzerne, where i am right now, a democratic stronghold that went for trump by double digits in 2016 and in 2020. and you mentioned shapiro's large lead while fetderman's lead is narrowing. the questions here are will shapiro kind of pull fetterman up? could fetterman ride shapiro's coattails? or could fetterman's challenges in the last stretch here pull the rest of the ticket down. meanwhile, as i'm talking to voters here, willie, the candidates are pulling out of their stops in the last stretch here, but the voters seem to be less and less enthusiastic about their choices, especially after that debate, and in part that frustration comes from what they feel like is a lack of attention to the issues that are really impacting them. they hear the candidates attacking one another. they don't feel like they're hearing enough about what they are dealing with. the gas prices, food prices,

diesel prices. a county like luzerne, trucking is huge, and that's been impacting folks. we spent time talking to moms in this area who of course run the world and have some of the biggest challenges. and i want you to hear a little bit of our conversation from joan harris dance studio. >> definitely the economy, gas prices, food prices. i'm single, i'm a teacher but i have five other jobs. >> five other jobs? >> five other little side jobs i do so i work all the time. >> do you feel like you have to have that many jobs right now in order to stay afloat? >> yes. i want to keep my house. >> you have dr. oz and john fetterman, the lieutenant governor, when you're looking at those two candidates, what do you think, and do you know which way you'll go yet? >> i don't yet. i don't yet. i think it's going to come down to the economy, inflation, to safety. >> reporter: so, yeah, the question is who's going to get the turnout and who might move

that middle, people like amber? and, you know, willie, it's going to really be interesting to see. we've lately heard from some folks who are now sort of daydreaming in alternate reality of what if this were conor lamb versus david mccormack, democrating bemoan where is they're at right now and republicans doing the same. but of course this is the reality and these are the choices in front of voters. it will be an interesting final week here. >> nbc's dasha burns who has this campaign covered inside and out joining us from luzerne, pennsylvania. darsha, thanks so much. good to see you. john, as dasha talks about suburban women voting, so critical in bucks county and other places in the state of pennsylvania. a "wall street journal" poll shows a pretty startling number for democrats, which is a 26-point swing just from august where they had a big advantage among white suburban women, now swung plus 15 for republican fls the space of a couple months. >> that reflects the changing

narrative of the campaign. the summer was lot about dobbs and abortion rights where democrats surged to an an advantage in a lot of polls and now the closing argument seems to be about the economy and crime, things that seem to be favoring the republicans. that's a concern. the suburban voters will be the key demographic in pennsylvania, yes, but also georgia, that senate race as well, the suburbs of atlanta, another big one, potentially suburbs of phoenix talking about the arizona senator and gubernatorial race. but as a last thought on pennsylvania, which is to most people's minds, the most important state on the map, the democrats' one pickup shot to offset a potential loss somewhere else, the oz campaign does have to outrun mastriano, whose extremist stances have turned off a lot of voters in pennsylvania. that's challenging. it's interesting to see at the end oz trying to make a pitch to shapiro voters suggesting he's in line with some of that, so the republican senate campaign is trying to moderate some of oz's views, turning its back on mastriano and by extent trump in order to try to pick off those

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♪ this is how we work now ♪ 28 past the hour. a live look at a foggy day over washington. a live look at the white house. the fight over former president trump's tax returns has reached the supreme court. attorneys for trump filed an emergency request to the high court yesterday in a last-ditch effort to stop the house ways and means committee from accessing his tax records. if the supreme court doesn't grant trump's request for an emergency stay by tomorrow, the irs would be free to turn over the records as soon as thursday. a federal judge has denied a bid by trump's former chief of staff mark meadows to avoid testifying before the house select committee investigating january 6th. meadows sought to block two subpoenas from the committee, including one to verizon for his

phone and text data. in a 27-page ruling, the judge argued that the committee's subpoenas with were covered under the constitution's speech or debate clause. meadows will likely appeal the ruling which could effectively put his testimony out of reach for the january 6th committee. the panel is set to dissolve by the end of the year when the current congressional term expires. meanwhile, a member of the far right group the oath keepers pleading guilty to his role in the capitol attack, testified against his former allies yesterday. brayden young said he was sorry for his actions on january 6th and claims he thought he was taking part in some type of revolution like the 1789 storming of the bastille in france. his testimony comes in the fifth week of the trial against oath keepers founder stewart rhodes and four others. young, a 57-year-old former navy reservist, told jurors he listened to what trump's attorneys were saying about the election and that he was sucked

into online conspiracy theories. he now admits he was, quote, acting like a traitor, someone acting against my own government. joining us now from outside of the federal courthouse in washington, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly. good morning. what more did this former oath keeper have to say? and is this just a case of him trying to get his sentenced reduced, or do you think there's real contrition here? >> reporter: it's part of it. he was pretty emotional talking about why he took the guilty plea. he's hoping the government would take that into consideration when it came time for his sentencing. his testimony was very beneficial to the prosecution because it sort of explains the mind-set a lot of these oath keepers had about what was happening on january 6th, because you know, what we haven't seen in this trial is a ton of evidence in terms of preplanning of we're going to enter the u.s. capitol. what young was explaining was that was sort of the obvious outcome of what they were doing,

that they were there because they didn't think that protests were enough, that they were going to work, and they were going to do whatever they could. so when -- when a crowd surged and people went inside the capitol, he sort of took advantage of that opportunity and joined that stack that was entering into the u.s. capitol on january 6th. and, you know, we've heard from another oath keeper as well, another man from florida talking about how he was ready to die to keep trump in office and said good-bye to his family. the government has presented all of these messages from this other oath keeper about how he was ready to say good-bye to his family and was making these preparations in december of 2020. overall i think this testimony from oath keepers is really important for the government's case because it shows exactly what other members of the oath keepers were thinking at this time, what this was sort of all about, willie. >> ryan reilly outside the courthouse in washington, thanks so much. it's interesting to hear theinv

storming the bastille in france, because we heard the man who allegedly attacked paul pelosi said, "i felt like i was one of the founding fathers fighting against tyranny." >> it's impossible not to see the connections here. but some still try. intelligence officials are warning that violent domestic extremists pose a heightened threat to the midterms. a joint bulletin released by the department of homeland security, the fbi, and the national counterterrorism center and the u.s. capitol police is also warning that after the midterms perceptions of election fraud could stir violence. it comes amid threats to candidates running for public office, lawmakers, as well as poll workers. joining us now, state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. first of all, what's your reaction to this joint warning we've gotten?

do you see that the violence could escalate? how important are very tough charges when it does? >> good morning, mika. yeah, the tough charges are important to send the right message. all this stuff is based on 2020 election lies, so, you know, there are a lot of people who want to both-sides this, but misinformation about the 2020 election is really only coming from one side. it is true that we have seen extremist political violence from both sides. you mentioned the shooting of steve scalise at a congressional baseball practice. but it's not quite accurate to blame both sides equally for overheated political rhetoric that leads to violence. on the right, it's some party leaders and elected officials who are the conspiracy theorists. it's marjorie taylor greene who accused nancy pelosi of having her own private gestapo police to target republicans. now, she said it was a gespacho police, because it's greene, and that's who she is, but her

supporters got the message. she said nancy pelosi was guilty of treason and reminded her supporters that the penalty for treason is death. marjorie taylor green is about to become a committee chair. she may be a kook but potentially one with a lot of power soon. >> an attempt to dismiss them, sitting members of congress, a lot who are election deniers and will promulgate conspiracy theories and say cruel things, which matters in our politics, because it didn't used to be that way. it wasn't that way when steve scalese was shot. it was a completely different environment and atmosphere where democrats and republicans immediately, without any planning, they immediately came together in one voice and spoke out against it, spoke out against political violence and prayed together. so i guess my question to you

is, do you see this violence escalating? and what are the options in terms of tamping it down? >> there needs to be a strong federal law enforcement response. we haven't seen the leaders of january 6th charged yet, and maybe that's forthcoming. and i think you may see more violence when, and i think it is coming, donald trump is charged over the documents from mar-a-lago. you know, this all starts at the top, mika. and donald trump has been openly embracing qanon themes because he knows that many of his supporters are members of qanon. he's got a base of qanon supporters. so he plays to them. these are people who think that democrats are pedophiles and democrats drink the blood of babies. so why are we surprised when a true believer tries to take out a top democrat like speaker pelosi? it'sppizzagate back in 2016, a deranged individual a

qanon supporter, fired shots into a pizza shop in d.c. because he believed hillary clinton was trafficking children inside that restaurant. words have consequences, and conspiracy theorys are not harmless. >> state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. thanks for being on this morning. you wonder, willie, why these republican leaders like ted cruz or kevin mccarthy, ted pushing more conspiracy theories and mocking, where do they think this is going? how do they think this ends? it doesn't end well for anyone. i just don't understand why they can't step up. i must be incredibly naive. >> no, you're not. we're lucky it appears paul pelosi will survive. he's healing in the icu, but very lucky he survived and that nancy pelosi wasn't home. this could have been much, much worse, as terrible as it is. you do wonder again, this is them not fanning flames about conspiracies or elections or vaccines or masks. this is they can't come out and

resist the urge to make a joke about a hammer attack on an 82-year-old man, the attempted murder of an old man. it's unconscionable. >> it is. >> you wonder how they were raised on some level. >> yeah. >> back to the campaign trail. we mentioned president biden and former president obama will be hitting the trail again together, republicans also bringing out their big hitters with former vice president mike pence to captain later today in georgia. for more on that, blayne alexander is live in georgia. good morning. what do we expect to see today from former vice president? >> reporter: good morning to you. we're certainly seeing a lot of closing arguments from both sides here in the georgia gubernatorial race. you're right, they're bringing out some big names to do it, mike pence, brian kemp later today at this cigar shop behind me. this is essentially a bus stop tour. brian kemp right now is making his closing arguments in the form of bus stops, bus tours all over the state of georgia, and for today' he is indoor dining

gob seeing the former vice president joining him. i think it's important to talk about the area where we are. this is coming, georgia, a reliably red area outside of atlanta, about an hour north. but this is one of the place wes ear seeing not just brian kemp but also stacey abrams in places like this making plays not to win specifically the whole county but individual votes. they say that will be the key to their victory. so we know they're going to have two campaign stops. chris christie will join the governor as well. of course we know that president obama, former president obama was here over the weekend. we've seen gabby giffords come out and stump for abrams, a number of big names on that side as well. the latest polling shows that just within the margin of error, governor brian kemp is leading stacey abrams by about 50% to

45%, just outside of the margin of error. a new "new york times" poll shows that. another number is early voting. that's been going at record-breaking pace every single day since the early voting period began in the state of georgia. more than 1.5 million people have already cast their ballot, and it continues through the end of the week. so it's certainly something that both candidates are urging their voters not to go out just on election day but to go out during early voting. when i've spoken to some democratic sources, typically high voting numbers mean good things for democrats, because they tend to vote early. but because we're seeing that same early voting message from governor kemp, some sources say we don't else inially know what this means because there are so many changes when it comes to people's voting habits so far. >> despite democrats' concerns, including from joe biden himself, about access to the vote in the state of georgia, record numbers of early votes being turned in.

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magically sell themselves, and we don't like selling. that's manipulative. that's dirty. well, when you're selling the truth, it's not dirty. it's actually necessary. >> that's part of a trailer for a new book from a pioneer in the communications industry. david fenton founded fenton communications, the first public relations firm dedicated solely to progressive social change. he's out today with a new book entitled "the activist's media hand book." david joins us now. look forward to talking about the book. but just in the break we were talking about the problems we're looking at today, disinformation leading to violence, the coarseness, the lack of civility, and the direction we're headed in. you say there are some other solutions. what are they? >> well, we can either have democracy or we can do something to rein in all the intentional,

purposeful falsehoods spread on social media and on rupert murdoch's network. when it comes to social media, there is a simple proposal that i wish the congress would pass, which is make the companies liable for not what individuals post -- that's not the problem. the problem is the algorithms that boost the false, se lebron james, reptilian, posts to millions of people to keep people on the platforms to make money. they should be liable for that. and if they were, it would cut down -- >> it would change everything. >> it would. it's not a hard thing to pass. you know, and it's consistent with the first amendment, is just that the law made it so that these platforms have no liability whatsoever. that's unique. >> no responsibility. no liability. >> that's right. >> so let's talk about the book, especially in this atmosphere that we are in, how can people effectively get a message across

when there's so much else swirling around? >> well, you know, the first principle of effective communications that we know from cognitive science is the brain learns from the repetitious of simple messages. and i want to stress repetitious, repetitious of simple messages. now, progressives and democrats don't tend to like simplifying things. we like complexity. and we hate repeating ourselves. so in effect we don't like what works. now, the people that go to business school who are dominating some of these debates right now in the republican party -- and i do work with some republicans and we can talk about that -- but they're smart about this. you know, stop the steal, make america great again. we don't like these kinds of slogans, but that's how the brain absorbs information. so we have to get over our disdain. and we can simplify honestly and

truthfully what we need to simplify. ambassador, they have a unified echo chamber, and we have the power of -- that's not smart. we need to make more of a focus on reaching the public with the truth rather than hoping our good ideas will magically work. >> right. >> david, how does truth compete against youtube, facebook, twitter, filled with sometimes garbage, sometimes misinformation, and abundance of misinformation. >> if you made youtube liable for what their algorithms boost, all the climb denial, a cesspool there would be a lot less of it so that's important. but we can be smarter. i work primarily on climate change now because if we don't solve it we won't get to solve much else. and the language of the climate movement i'm afraid is largely not understandable to much of the american public.

people don't know what emissions are or carbon or net zero. you know, i'm very fond of joe biden, but i'm afraid when he calls climate change an existential threat, people don't know what that means. we should talk about pollution, trapping heat on earth, and we need to stop the pollution in order to have a normal climate. so we can be much smarter to unify and simplify our language so that people will get it. >> david, our friend, a progressive, strong progressive, has a new book out about persuading people and the way the democrats and progressive activists speak to their own base. he says we can't condescend to actually concerned about is not what they should be concerned about, whether crime or immigration. push them into the arms are somebody listening to them. what do you make of the way, particularly on the midterms here, democrats are talking to their voters? >> well, i think it was a

mistake not to talk about the economy. it's always the economy, stupid. it's not a new lesson. i think that now democrats are finally starting to talk about the part of inflation purely a rip-off from companies taking advantage of the situation, and jacking up prices. you know, biden's now talking about the oil companies and they're incredibly outrageously high profits. that's just a rip-off and we should call it that. that's something people understand as they're feeling pain at the pump. a story today i'm sure you saw in the paper how food companies are taking advantage of the situation and jacking up praises ish -- prices way over their cost. we need to talk to voters in that way and they would identify and understand it. >> the book "lessons from 50 years as a progressive agitator" david fenton thank you very much for being on the show. up next, a look what china's

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the pandemic, here china's zero strict covid rules still dominate daily life. in most cities tests needed every day to go to work, school and shopping controlled through a phone app. scanning in leaves a digital footprint. that can then be traced wherever you go. the constant restrictions taking a toll. over the weekend, videos appeared to show an exodus of workers from the foxconn factory will most iphones are made. the company announces bonuses to get them back, but will quarantine 200,000 workers on site. while another video shows covid positive factory workers wears hazmat suits transferred to quarantine facilities. >> that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up live coverage after a quick, final break.

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good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern. 7:00 pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart we are exactly one week away from midterm elections with more than 23 million votes already cast. we're looking at where the most