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>> 13 years ago this week a right-wing anti abortion group called operational rescue, emailed its members encouraging them to participate in the special hollowing contest. it was known as the nancy pelosi and harry reid burn in hell competition. yes, really. operation rescue included a video showing step-by-step how you could make your very own nancy pelosi and harry reid effigy. they even showed you how to burn the effigy once you made it. the whole thing was supposedly a protest about abortion related aspects of the affordable care act. the winner of the contest would receive an all expense paid trip to d. c. just burn that effigy. i'm not showing you this because the contest was particularly impactful in anyway. it wasn't. this was a fringe group in 2009 taking dangerous political rhetoric about political figures like reid and pelosi to

a new and discussing extreme. but the fact that there were not mass effigy burning across the country is not the point. the worry is not that violent rhetoric and mainstream politics is gonna cause some levelheaded mainstream voted to do something insane and awful. the worry is what violet, dangerous rhetoric encourage the least stable amongst us to do. here's a democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi, a month before that halloween contest in 2009. >> how concerned are you about the tone of the political debate in terms of people talking about anti government rhetoric and so on and the possibility of violence? >> i think we all have to take responsibility for our actions in and our words. we are a free country and this balance between freedom and safety is one that we have to carefully balance. i have concerns about some of the language that is being used because i saw--i saw this myself in the late 70s, in

san francisco. this kind of rhetoric. it is very frightening. and it created a climate in which we -- violence took place. so, i wish that we could all curve our enthusiasmin some of the statements that are made. and understanding that some of the people--the ears that they are falling on are not as balanced as the person making the statement. >> a few months after nancy pelosi made that statement where she publicly made clear her worry about the rise of dangerous rhetoric, the republican national committee decided to make pelosi, as an individual, their biggest target. on the night the house passed the affordable care act in 2010, the rnc's website started redirecting visitors to a new fund raising page,

firenancypelosi.com it shows speaker pelosi with clenched fists in front of a wall of flames. the site was so successful that the rnc launched a national fire pelosi bus tour, where zigzag all cross the u.s. and use pelosi to raise cash. the rnc chair at the time launched a tour while wearing a red fire pelosi hat. drumming up hate and demonizing nancy pelosi as a person. that was a cash cow for republicans. by 2014, 13% of all republican ads in house races mentioned nancy pelosi. in 2016, when hillary clinton became the main republican villain, dylan pelosi was only 9% of house ads, by 2018, with clinton and obama not not in the spotlight, nancy pelosi was in a whopping 34% of republican house ads. this, year republicans spent more money on ads the demonize nancy pelosi that they have spent on ads about immigration. the things republicans but the most money on attacking, taxes, joe biden, inflation, crime, and

nancy pelosi. at the same, time in the past two years, five people, five of them, have been arrested for how seriously they have threatened speaker pelosi. today, the man accused of breaking into speaker pelosi's home and assaulting her husband with a hammer, david depape was a raid in san francisco county superior court. he entered a plea of not guilty. according to the federal complaint, depape told responding officers he planned to hold nancy hostage and talk to her. he said if nancy were to tell the truth, he would let her go. and if she lied, he was going to break her kneecaps. he told an fbi agent that nancy pelosi was the leader of the pack of lies told by the democratic party, and if he broke her knee caps she would then have to be wheeled into congress which would show other members of congress there are consequences to actions. -- two days before paul pelosi was attacked, congressman tom membrane -- tweeted out this video of him, excuse--me firing

a gun to the gun range with the hashtag, fire a gun at the gun range. pelosi when question about this weekend he said democratic rhetoric is just as. that he disavow the violence, but did not see anything wrong with what he did. today delta, communications director for the rnc, back when they started the fire pelosi campaign in 2010, doug wrote this in the washington post: i help when the fire pelosi effort, those talk politics go too far. hi talks about the initial rush became from how successful the campaign was. how the success felt like a political gift. unlike the people in charge other public and party currently,---thinks this all has gone too far. quote, collectively, we have to lower the temperature. people keep getting hurt. we are very likely no one has been killed. and i worry i need to emphasize, yet. as a republican, i know the original sin begins with us. republicans, not all, to be sure, but enough. what we say

is often not what people here, and everyone in political life has a duty to do better. joining us now is doug hive, former communications director for the republican national committee. doug, thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to ask you. we took that unfortunate trip down memory lane and we saw the signage, the bus tour, when you launched the fire policy efforts back in 2010, did you imagine that it would end here? >> no. absolutely not. this was something that we did. we tried to grab ahold of a political moment. we did it in, what i would say, we despite the imagery, were trying to be lighthearted despite the imagery. i was running the communications on. the face of the project with michael steele, your colleague here at msnbc. he's known as the most affable people you can ever meet in your life. it was successful. it was something we did a lot of media in. and took it through all 48 states -- it went very well for us. as i said in the piece, it was a political gift to a committee that really needed at

the time. we were not thinking in terms of political violence at that point. the problem then, was there was a january in 2011, a saturday morning when gabby giffords was shot. and i drove to the office immediately, got on a conference call with colleagues in john boehner's office, air canada's office, the congressional incentive -- committees. we talked about the proper way to respond. and also what we could do to quell what we would politely call, in mixed company, some of the loudmouths and bomb throwers. we use other language in private. to make sure we are all unified and saying the good, smart, and right things. fast forward to what we've just seen from friday, we see a lot of republicans, not all of them, but enough, are making this a joke time. and things like that. that are just absolutely beyond the pale. and this is my concern. that it always gets worse. it's going to continue to get worse. and so far we've been lucky that nothing truly awful has happened and that someone has died. one of these attacks is going to be

successful. it may be on a republican, it might be on a democrat. but it's gonna spin all of us up even further to what i fear is the point of unraveling. >> i want to talk about the republican contrition on this. but i do want to talk about this moment that the bus tours launched. because it wasn't like political violence was a fantasy. we played that sound from nancy pelosi in 2009 think she was worried about the anti government rhetoric -- the tea party was on the upswing there was the obama, -- that was flourishing, i know you say it was light hearted, but the imagery of nancy pelosi behind the wall of flames is yes, a play on the word, fired, but it conjures something darker. and i'm sure it seemed light and like a sharp skewing of someone who was in the political mainframe, if you. well but did you ever pause to think, maybe we shouldn't do this? >> no. that wasn't a part of our conversation at all. i will tell you, part of what i did at

the committee, some days i was successful, some days i wasn't. there are reporters that you know i have worked with that will tell you about this, it's the pushback on some of the really, ugly narratives we heard about barack obama. questioning his christianity, or his religion, that not only did i think was politically out of bounds. it was politically stupid. and not what we needed to be talking about in 2010 if we wanted to take over the house. again, the fire policy campaign was a vehicle for us quite literally when we did the bus to do that. but not in the thought of political violence at all. i was not aware of those comments of speaker pelosi's then, i don't think. the other thing i would say is, the republicans aren't critical of nancy pelosi because they think she is incompetent. we launch this because she very skillfully got the obamacare bill through the house by a narrow margin. she is very good at her job. and that's part of why she's been a real villain for and to republicans. because of her effectiveness. >> i wonder what you think of this quote from david axelrod this weekend in explaining what

is so attractive to republicans in terms of nancy pelosi as a focus of the outrage to get people to the polls. >> axelrod says, it's gender, it's class. the whole idea of a wealthy san francisco liberal woman. the whole package is there. the difference is what began as a way to raise money and gin up turnout has now become a much door the more deadly game. do you think there's more truth to that? it's beyond the efficacy as her speaker of the house and her legislative record which is permitted to be. sure it's something about the fact that she is a woman. that she is a liberal. that she is from a coastal city. do you think that mattered in all of this? >> i think some of it does. in the previous hour there was a clip of lindsey graham talking about san francisco. it has been a time honored tradition for republicans to use san francisco and new york city, where you, are washington of course, where i am, as shorthand for coastal elites. and things like that. so i think there is truth to that. dan is a really smart. guy--i don't want to disagree with him. i think he's made some smart points. >> you said there was a

conversation after the giffords shooting where you guys circle back up the rnc and said, maybe we should tone it down. what happened in that conversation? >> it was a saturday morning. and we were all, like everybody else, shocked that this would happen. and the call, as i remember, it was one of a really somber tones. and making sure the statement that we put out, whether was from republican national committee or john boehner's office -- he being the new speaker of the house that point that we set the house that point that we set the right tone and said the right things. and this is also the really important part, that we make it clear to, house leadership more than it is the rnc, that we make it clear to our members, members of the house republican conference, or the one 60, eight than 168 of the republican national committee, do not say anything inflammatory, frankly don't say anything stupid. we were able to do that successfully in

2011. as we've seen 12 years later, just this past weekend, it's a punchline for some republicans. or some of the so-called conservative pundits who dabble in selling vitamin supplements on tv. and the my polarization of the republican party, and so forth. that's unfortunate. that's why more republicans will speak up, or, if they said the wrong thing like youngkin, did apologize for, as you can then move on. >> you know, current chair of the rnc, run and mcdaniel romney ronna, romney mcdaniel, said you can't say people saying, let's file pelosi, or, let's take back the house, is saying, go to violence, it's just unfair. i think we all need to recognize violence is up across the board. that is not sound like someone who has learned at all from the mistakes that were made a decade ago. that is intent on quelling the anger and direction towards violence. violence seems to be a mainstay of republican strategy at this point. what do you make of that someone who worked at the rnc?

>> as i said in the piece. i think we have a original sin here. part of that is our language towards barack obama, michelle obama, for that matter as well. and the questioning of citizenship, and religion, and so forth. and then also, obviously, with donald trump in what alternately could culminate in january 6th, republicans should be more mindful of that. i think she's right that you can't necessarily draw a direct line between what one politician says and the act of a crazy person. when chuck schumer said that brett kavanaugh was going to reap the whirlwind and pay the price for his vote on the dobbs decision, i don't think he was sending the person to brett kavanaugh's house to get arrested. it's not a straight line. it might be a dotted line. it might be a broken line. it's one of the reasons i wanted to be introspective in what my work had been. because i'm scared of what is going to happen next, just as well as i'm scared of what happened before. with steve scalise, that's not something that just happened at a baseball game. it's very personal to me.

because he is a friend and the two members of his security detail work ferreira can or when i was in his office. i know them well. they are wonderful people, dedicated to doing the job. we're lucky they were there at the right time. next time, republican or democrat, they may not be. the kidnapping plot on gretchen whitmer could've been a successful. these are things that should scare every american and cause everybody in american public life to try to do better for themselves and ultimately for the country. >> yes. and the idea that violence is a strategy as needed condoned, supported and being furthered by especially one party in this country should be an accessible to all of. -- former communications for the rnc, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank. you >> we have much more ahead tonight. coming up, we'll talk to one of the most ambitious democrats in the country as far as keeping control of the senate. congressman and candidate tim ryan joins us live. and up next, republicans have made it the centerpiece of their closing argument. the only people who actually have a

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just one problem with that message, republicans are really have a plan to deal with inflation, inflation, inflation. when asked by reporters for their plans of tackling that very problem, they responded with a mix of deflection and confusion. this is what republican senate, candidate mehmet oz told the philadelphia inquirer about what he would do to lower inflation. cut taxes for working families. boom! you got it. big problem there that cutting taxes while politically very popular, could very well make inflation worse by driving up consumer spending and pushing prices even higher. but that is almost the entirety of the republican economic agenda, cutting taxes. they are ready to push it no matter what the actual problem is or whether it might even make the problem worse. democrats, the group of people who are currently on the defense here, they actually seem to have a plan for combatting inflation. some of which is already been put in place. they passed inflation reduction act, they've taken executive actions, including releasing more energy from the strategic petroleum reserve to

in order to lower gas prices. and now they're going after corporate greed. last, week the two biggest oil companies in the u. s. reported over 30 billion, with a b, 30 billion dollars in combined profits. even as consumers are facing higher prices at the pump. in other words, big oil companies are using the specter of inflation and higher costs because of the war in ukraine to boost their own share price. this is not something republicans have been talking about. last night, president biden exclusively threat in those gas companies with a windfall tax on corporate profits. unless they start reducing prices. >> while companies the oil companies, record profits a day are not because they are doing something new or innovative. their profits are a windfall of war. the wind fall from the brutal conflict ravaging ukraine and hurting tens of millions of people around the globe. i think they have a responsibility to act within

the interest of the consumers and community, and their country. to invest in america bankrupting production and refining capacity. if they don't, they are going to pay a higher tax on their excess profits and face other restrictions. >> so there seems to be a democratic plan here as it concerns inflation, inflation, inflation. and yet, republicans are still landing their attacks against democrats on the economy. there are polls tightening every day and voters are saying the economy is their top concern. so what should democrats do? what can democrats do? there is one week left here. well, here's democratic congressman mike levin, facing a tough reelection campaign in a california swing district. >> republicans are talking a lot about inflation. and yes, it's a big problem i've been working hard to address. but what are the republican plans? a bunch of bull! that's right. the republican plan is massive tax cuts for billionaires and giant corporations. pretty much

their plan for everything. it won't bring down inflation, but it will make their donors even richer. what a surprise! >> i'm mike levin, and i approve this message because we need real action to bring down inflation. not a bunch of bull--- >> a bunch of bull--should that be democrats closing message? we have the perfect person to ask. joining us now is -- shakir the founder of a more perfect union. it's good to see you! >> good to see you too. >> it feels like democrats have just not wanted to say the word inflation because president biden is the president, and the democrats control congress. should that be the closing message? should they be pointing out actively the fact that the gop plan is actually no plan? >> especially if you have to diagnose how inflation has happened. there's many reason about why inflation happened. supply chain during the pandemic costco offers all around the world. especially ukraine has caused an increase in energy prices. corporate greed is one of the main things democrats on talk about. if you look at corporate

greed, most of these large corporate monopolies control large spaces within the markets. they have incredible pricing power over the use of pepsico and coca-cola our reporting record profits, not just profit, record profits! awe while you are tightening your dealt to save every penny they are showing the shareholders greater stock dividends and buy backs. for a democrat that believes in the power of government to care for working people, you have to be willing to be a war bulwark against corporate forces, corporate access were trying to screw you. and you need to emote that, you have policies in place for, that i'm glad that joe biden has had, hey went up taxes, a lot of things that we can control for corporate wrongdoing. that is what the fight is about. >> it's easy to understand if you're someone who has gone to the grocery store and has to do a back of the envelope calculation to see if you can afford all of your groceries to understand that pepsico, which makes a lot of the food in the grocery store, is recording historic profits. right?

yes! >> how this will play before a second, because most of our workers are seeing. it it most republicans will blame workers. they had to pay an extra $2 an hour to chipotle workers, while aaa is breaking in record. profits the ceo is making 50 or $60 million per year. be able to tell a coherent story that most of that profit is going into the shareholders, into the large investors, and chipotle. they're making out like bandits. they blame it on workers. it's our job as democrats to stand with the laborers. the liberals are telling you the story. look, i'm getting screwed. and barely making ends meet due to inflation. you have to get behind them like a flight train and say, we fight for them. we fight for these underdogs who are being preyed upon in this marketplace because corporate actors have too much power over both laborers and consumers who are getting jacked on prices. you see the chipotle bowl shrinking and shrinking over a period of time so they can make more money. that's what's going on. >> i don't understand how this is not a sort of foundational part of the democratic message

this year. because it was such a plank in 2020, there was such acute awareness of the pain people were feeling. the economic issues facing the country at large. the structural inequalities. multiple democratic candidates ran on that. and yet you don't see the same messaging in this midterm election. >> alex, one of the challenges we worked on this build back better for a long period of time. i think there was some build back better fatigue. when we passed the inflation reduction act, what got left on the chopping block? it was childcare. free tuition at community colleges. when you think about the things that would reduce inflation, or help people that are really dealing with inflation, it would be those elements. imagine if i could come to you guys and say, i have a plan to deal with childcare. or i'm gonna get you a childcare tax credit that would deal with some of the cost you experience in your life. wouldn't you be excited about it? what i feel as the struggle is when democrats were campaigning and fighting for that we all was it came to votes short in the senate.

we stop talking about it! >> because it became political clyburn-ites -- >> you can be honest with voters and, say we came up two vote short of being able to do those things. and that's why need mandela barnes in the senate. that's why need john fetterman. we're coming, that we're not forgetting. that's we're gonna keep fighting for childcare. we're gonna keep fighting for tuition college and university. that's why you need to put it back in the office and give us a chance to do this. >> and they haven't done that. >> that's the threat. you can't talk about sure your accomplishments, there's a lot of people saying, just talk about the great things we did. alex, if you and i are struggling paycheck to paycheck. what is paycheck to paycheck? mean there's 50, 60, 70, 80% of people in this category now are struggling. that means at the end of a two-week work period 800 every two weeks, you have zero in your checking account. zero and your savings account. let's not even talk about policy for a second. feel that emotion?

imagine anxiety, the suffering, the concern that you have. the shame you have. am i doing enough for my family? start with that. and say, do you really want to hear about accomplishments right now? do you want to go back to that person and say, don't worry, we did all these amazing things. no, you want to say i see your pain and suffering. here is the next three things i want to do. and these bastard on the right, not gonna do anything for you. they don't care. >> the republicans have been pretty clear about what they're gonna do. it's not going to help the problem. and yet there is default back to the stereotype that the republicans are quote unquote, better for the economy, then democrats are. it's a more complication nuanced message to say, we have not done everything we want to do, we'll do more. i understand that. that but it's not that complicated to say, tax cuts for the wealthiest are not going to help you. i wonder whether there needs to be more offense. in addition to the defense. absolutely, right everything usa is absolutely correct! i think that obama did it. well senator sanders doing well. to they want to cut such security medicare >> exactly! >> okay, so here's clear

contrast. i understand the abortion messaging. and for so many democratic candidates it's a lot easier to talk about abortion. we can sit down and write a 32nd ad, brought an email explaining how and why we care about this. i see a lot of people struggling with an economic contrast. which in my mind is easy. but many democrats have not been willing to make a forceful economic contrast. for a better part of the year voters have been saying it's a dumb one issue on their mind. >> by the mway abortion is economic issues. as well, yeah to put in addition to it abortion be an economic issue, you could talk about what you want to do to talk about peoples increase food cross, grocery bills, fuel costs you want to take it to corporate wrongdoers who's trying to prey upon. you these guys on the right, they are in their pocket, they are the people who are funding their campaign ads, they aren't going to do anything about it. we stand with workers. we stand with consumers who are getting the shaft. and if you don't have government willing to stand up to corporate actors, you're only gonna continue getting preyed upon. it's the democratic party that has a responsibility, has the

willingness and desire to take on corporate wrongdoing. well if you say they can do it, are you listening? former campaign manager at senior advisor at bernie sanders, always a pleasure to see you, thank you for coming on! >> i appreciate, thank you. >> and just a few minutes, we are on top of the democrats who both that that economic message will take him to the senate. ohio congressman tim ryan joins us live! up next, disturbing news from the new owner of twitter. elon musk as he orders his team to shut down tools used to moderate hate speech right before the election. that's next! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ they were the first to be verified by usp... ...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. you need a bed that's smart enough for both of you. the sleep number 360 smart bed senses your movements and automatically adjusts the number one pharmacist recommended to help keep you both effortlessly comfortable. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. and now, save 40% on the sleep number 360 special edition smart bed.

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>> after nearly two days of silence, brazil president, bolsonaro today finally address his historic loss to the former president, elise muscotah the salt. bolsonaro spoke just two minutes -- the reports ahead of his highly anticipated address indicated that bolsonaro would officially concede the election to -- the winner, and accept the feet. he did not do that! during those two minutes, bolsonaro never once mentioned the victor or the election results. it was until after bolsonaro left the podium that the election results were even addressed. that's when his chief of staff stepped up to the microphone to say that the bolsonaro administration would start the transition process. this was not a concession, but it did

provide a reprieve. because what's been happening in brazil during bolsonaro's today the postelection silence has been chaotic. truckers and demonstrators blocked roads throughout brazil since sunday. all in support of bolsonaro. some of the truckers protesting have called for a military coup to prevent low level on taking office. today, bolsonaro failed he called his supporters off, instead he welcomes peaceful demonstrations. so the door here is fairly wide open for more of these truck blockades. but at least the paulson arrow administration appears to have begun the transition process. and it was a real concern that this would not actually happen. that no member of the bolsonaro administration would even utter the word transition. that's because of the new york times has got documented, bolsonaro has been saying exactly that for months. he's been telling the world that if he lost, it would only be because the election was stolen. he's literally been casting doubt on legitimacy of brazil's elections for years!

>> [speaking non-english] [speaking non-english] [speaking non-english] >> if i don't win, there must have been fraud. remind you of anyone? those are exactly the sorts of things that donald trump said in the run up in the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election. trump made similar statements on twitter, priming has millions of followers to believe ally that election fraud and encouraging them to gather near this capitol on january 6th. as a refresher, on december 19th, 2020, trump rosa this ugly impossible to have lost the 2020 election! big protests in d.c. on january 6th. be there, will be wild! the former twitter employee who responsible for content moderation throughout 2020 till the january six committee

that's after trump tweeted that, it felt as if a mob was being organized. on twitter, trump's allies took off like wildfire! a mob was echoing trump's claims of voter fraud and preparing to assemble at the capitol on january 6th. arms and ready to attack. the twitter employee who testified to the house panel said, twitter considered opting, adopting strict content moderation policies because of trump's rhetoric, but that never came to pass. instead, trump continues to fan the flames on twitter, calling for people to gather on the sixth. and we all know what ultimately happened that day. january six is what can happen when a president lives to his followers about an election loss and questions the legitimacy of the votes and use a sweater to rally his supporters, and avoid playing by any of the rules that might prevent a spread of lies. we know that pattern. that is how our last election went. and that is why it's so unnerving when we learned today that twitter has limited employee access to content

moderation tools since elon musk completed his 44 billion dollar acquisition of the company. according to the blue -- actions on accounts on the broken policies and hate speech on misinformation but quite put in place to access the dashboard of tools. those tools have been suspended since last week. raising the concerns among twitter employees who worry that they won't be able to adequately enforced twitters misinformation policies ahead of election day here in the united states. and by the way, these are the same policies that the company says trump routinely violated before and after the last election. now the team and charge of enforcing twitters policies in brazil -- that team had access to the company's content moderation tools returned to them on sunday, which was the day of the brazilian election. so the question remains whether the same will be true here in the united states next tuesday on election day. and also, whether we're turning those tools at that point will be too little too late. more than 300 election deniers are on the ballot in one week.

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>> -- >> we all watched the video. we all watched the video. >> hold, hold -- let him finish, please. >> i'm happy to have this conversation. i'm not afraid to have this conversation. these are the conversations we need to have in this country. i welcome you guys. let's just be respectful. but i'm not afraid to stand here and defend my position. >> i'm not afraid to have this conversation. that was tim ryan, democratic congressman vying for ohio's senate seat this year. he was making his case to an audience at a fox news town hall earlier tonight. now, say what you will about the audience's reaction to a question he was trying to answer about the maga movement. but here is a person trying to speak the truth about what happened on january 6th, to a room from of people who had been lied to for quite some time. it is not a very comfortable conversation. but tim ryan was trying to have it anyway.

and then there was his republican opponent, j. d. vance, who is given the chance to condemn the politically driven attack against nancy pelosi's husband paul. and j. d. vance said this. >> i have condemned the violence against paul pelosi from the very beginning. i think it's preposterous, i think it's disgusting, and i think it's something all of us should condemn. what i've also said is that i think the effort to turn this into a political issue is actually a real problem here. because paul pelosi was attacked -- look, paul pelosi was attacked by a person who is an illegal alien in our country, should never have been here in the first place. my view, very simply, is that we need to deport violent illegal aliens. >> -- the attack on paul pelosi was a, quote, real problem because illegal immigrants. j. d. vance, it should be noted, did not take the opportunity to have an uncomfortable conversation about the ways in which fox news has fomented anger against speaker pelosi and spread misinformation about the democratic party.

quite the opposite, in fact. both vance and ryan are locked in a tight race. the latest polling average from 5:38 as events leading rind by just two percentage points. and tim ryan is hoping he can close that gap by not only turning out faithful democratic voters by but also by convincing some ohio republicans, including some trump supporters, to give him a shot. which is maybe why he's doing fox town halls. and today he got the endorsement of a republican who is very much not a trump supporter, wyoming congresswoman liz cheney. now an endorsement is a good thing. but is this endorsement helpful? let's ask tim ryan. joining us now is democratic senate candidate from ohio, congressman tim ryan. congressman, thank you so much for joining me on this busy day you have had. can we please begin with liz cheney's endorsement of you? what is your thought on it? >> well, there are certain issues, alex, that our american issues, that are the foundation

of the country. do you believe in democracy? do you believe in the rule of law? do you believe that elections are free and fair? and if you agree on those things, welcome to the united states, you are an american. and liz cheney and i agree on that. and then you can break in to your parties or your views or your philosophies on how to govern from that point. but you have to agree on the integrity of elections. you have to agree on these foundational democratic issues. and if you do, you are an american. and i think that is what liz was saying today, that we have an obligation to the americans first, and agree on these foundational issues. and then we can have our political fights within the context of that. and so there are a lot of republicans here in ohio that are tired of the extremism. j. d. vance has denied the election. he is running around with donald trump jr. -- and donald trump senior, but

donald trump jr. -- making fun of the paul pelosi incident. but it's like, no. they missed the memo that everyone is tired of that. so, liz cheney's endorsement is very welcome. and if she is ever back in congress and i am back in congress, we can argue about other things. we will argue about them from that foundational viewpoint. >> i'm very curious to know how you are trying to pull off what he's a very tight tightrope walk. on the one hand, you are trying to get the support of some folks who maybe still have positive feelings towards donald trump, who watch fox news. on the other hand, you are also trying to turn out the democratic party faithful and people who believe in, for example, the truth about what happened on january 6th. we have been led to believe that those two groups of people do not overlap. that the people who believe in what happened on january 6th, which is a violent insurrection at the capitol, and the people who support donald trump, that those are never the same groups of people -- have you found otherwise? >> i think there is some overlap there.

i don't know. i'm not smart enough to do the whole analysis of this, honestly. all i know is what i feel on the ground. and what i feel on the ground is, there are people who are absolutely un gettable. they are in that small group of people. and maybe it is 30 or 35% of the electorate. but they are ungettable. and then there is a group that is, like, they voted for trump because the system is broken for them, whether it's the economic system, the retirement system, the health care system, the education system, they have a level of frustration. and they felt like this independent guy from the outside, who is rich and famous, maybe he was the guy, after 40 years, maybe he was the guy who could fix it. and so those voters are open to a guy like me who says, look, i agree with me on trump on some of the china stuff, i agree with not the rhetoric, but the policy of, we have got to be firm and outcompete china.

he renegotiated nafta. he wants a strong defense. like, maybe we can vote for a guy like tim ryan, because he is for us, he is for our retirement retirement, he is for our wages, he is for our health care. and similar to sherrod brown, who -- i'm not going to not go on fox news because i am afraid of the people who support the insurrection on january 6th. i went on fox news because you have got to go in the lines lions den to even be able to access those other people. and we are. and that is why we are going to win this race. it's because there are those other people who will vote for me. they feel like they are a person without a home. and we want to give them a soft landing because we are all americans. we do not have to agree on everything. and we are just asking people to help pull this thing off, to go to timforoh.com --

>> the economic frustration and the fact that democrats actually have much more of an outline plan and an action plan, some of which has been enacted, to help people, to help the working class. my question to you is, how do you tap in to that sense of anger and frustration and loss that is a hallmark of this group of people? working class americans? and not just white working class, but just working class americans who feel left behind, who feel like people do not care. how do you tap into the emotional center of that without becoming an angry candidate yourself? because that seems to be what happened here with the republican party. and even donald trump -- the rage machine, it eclipses the problem at hand, which is the fact that people feel left behind and lost and broken. >> this is why i love you. you absolutely hit the nail on the head. you get this stuff. and you meet them where they are. you cannot say, oh, how old do you feel about inflation?

and you say, well, the fundamentals of the economy are good. that is not the right answer. the right answer is, i know you are -- i know $4 a gallon for gas -- or $3. 85 or wherever whatever it is where you are living, it is really hard. whether you are a home health care worker who happens to be a black woman in cleveland, or you are a construction worker, who happens to be a white dude from off the ohio river, that has to travel a couple hours every day, in each instance, the gas prices are crushing new. you. and in these instances, the costs are high. you are talking to everybody, you have to meet them where they are. i understand how difficult this is. i understand the pain. and i have been saying, that it is why we need a tax cut. the child tax credit we advanced last year, the earned income tax credit, put some money in your pocket. a general tax cut for workers and small businesses. meet them where they are. understand their pain and then provide a solution. people are smart. they don't expect you to have a

magic wand. they just want you to understand. and then have a plan moving forward. we have a good mid to long term plan -- the chips act, in four structure, inflation reduction act -- we are bringing back manufacturing. we have an industrial policy in this country for the first time in 40 years. but what we are not getting right is, we feel your pain, we understand, you need a tax cut. you need some more money in your pocket to weather the storm. if we do that -- i am doing that, we will see how it works out. but you have got to understand where people are coming from. again, you said it. white, black, brown, gay, straight, man, woman, manufacturing sector, service sector -- they are all in the same boat. they're working hard, falling behind. so we have to help out. >> democrats and candidates for ohio, congressman tim ryan, it's a two point race. we will be watching. best of luck out there, congressman. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thanks, alex. we want people to help us out at timforoh.com. we need you. >> we will be right back.

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our zone, it was a little over a week ago when these images of mask, possibly armed individuals, patrolling a maricopa county drop box surfaced. the individuals are reportedly taking photos of license plates as they were voting. so, the arizona chapter of the league of women voters sued to stop that group from intimidating -- voters. the doj even stepped in this we can file the brief in support of the argument. and just tonight, within the last several minutes, a federal judge has ruled in favor of the league of women voters. the organization tweeted tonight, quote, breaking news. federal judge rules and voters favors. voters in arizona will not face intimidation at the drop box. that is a win for democracy. and that is a win for us. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. we have zoe lofgren joining us later in the hour. because the january 6th committee did an interview with