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you again on that program that we can't miss. >> hopefully, i'll get a nap between now and then. >> i hope so too. great seeing you. >> great to see you. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on twitter and instagram at jdbalart. thank you for the privilege of your time. lindsey reiser picks up with more news right now. good morning, i'm lindsey reiser at msnbc headquarters in new york. new urgency today from president biden on a critical issue. threats to democracy. he's set to deliver a prime-time speech tonight on the threat of election deniers, which includes around 300 gop candidates on ballots nationwide. on the campaign trail, six days
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until the midterms. >> when true democracy goes away, people get hurt. and it's hard to recover. >> we have to walk away from politics as usual. >> it's a choice between two vastly different visions for america. >> with the economy and inflation top of mind for voters, president biden is also focusing on the u.s. workforce set to deliver remarks on that this afternoon. about the same time, we're expecting the fed's announcement of another interest rate hike going up three quarters of a percentage point for the fourth consecutive time. what their decision today means for your wallet. new details rounding the attack on speaker pelosi's husband, paul. "the washington post" and nbc news confirm a live camera feed was rolling on the pelosi home on the night of the attack and the post reports that while cameras captured the break-in, no one was watching the feed at
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the time. ahead, new questions about security. we are going to start with the president's remarks tonight on threats to democracy. kelly o'donnell is at the white house. also with me, elise jordan, formerly of the bush white house, now an analyst, and jesse moore, former speech writer in the obama white house and a democratic strategist. kelly, what can you tell us here about why president biden is looking to address these threats to democracy now, especially when he's really been looking to focus on some of these key issues to voters? >> reporter: these are issues that matter to president biden. but events have added some new urgency, and typically covering the white house, we will often know what the president's plan is days in advance and know about some kinds of appearances that might fall in this category, days in advance. this was not such a case. this is an add to the schedule through the dnc, the democratic national committee, and it suggests the urgency the
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president feels because of what he's observing and what he thinks is at stake in the election. the attack on paul pelosi, may, in fact, be an influence here. he spoke at a fund raiser last night talking about his concern to the reaction of some republicans and others who have not addressed it in a serious way, denouncing the violence, and even laughing in some instances or making fun of the circumstances around the pelosi attack. the president finds that to be unacceptable, and also the threat of those who have been election deniers who are on the ballot in many places around the country. these are familiar themes for president biden when it's about democracy, why it matters, and that something bigger than the two parties is on the line in elections, even though he is a partisan, just as republicans are certainly partisans by their very nature, bring out a lot of those partisan impulses. the president is saying there are bigger issues here. and that's what we expect him to
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address tonight from union station which for those not familiar with washington, d.c., is a grand train station in the city and this is a chance for the president to put into words again why he thinks democracy is on the ballot for voters to consider next week. of course, tens of millions have already cast their votes around the country. at the same time we are in the final days where there is still a threat for any of those who are working at elections for candidates, meaning the threat environment is volatile right now with concerns about safety associated with the election. so all of these themes together made tonight a time when the president wanted to address this and, of course, he's also be talking about the economy and other issues that are a part of the election, but he will raise democracy as an issue broadly tonight. >> thank you so much. to this point, bloomberg had a
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stark headline, u.s. midterms will decide if the 2024 election can be stolen. republican candidates who deny joe biden won in 2020 are pushing changes to election laws that would make it easier to dispute the results in the next presidential election. democrats have been hammering home this message for awhile now. do you feel like voters have been listening and is that why the president is choosing to do this prime time message to make sure they are? >> yeah, i think so. headline writers need to stop ruining my mornings. my god. the reality is, and we're seeing it in pennsylvania right now with a decision on whether or not a voter has correctly dated their ballot as now deciding whether or not they've executed their duty as a democracy. going to the trouble and voting. the reality is, when you don't have a record, if you don't have a plan, you will start attacking paperwork and in these elections
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that are so narrowly fought, that are so close, republicans know that attacking little tiny clerical errors may be enough to change the odds. so -- it should be a signal to every voter if the -- if the focus is on searching for a problem where one doesn't exist, fraud where it doesn't exist, that should show you a little bit about how much -- how prepared they are to affect your life when they get into office. >> with this threat looming, top officials are openly second-guessing their party's campaign pitch and tactics, reflecting a growing sense that democrats have failed to coalesce around one effective message with enough time to stave off major losses in the house and possibly decisive defeats in the tightly contested senate. at least you spoke to a bunch of voters. is this warranted? >> absolutely. but it's sad that they're coming
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to this realization with six days left before voters go and cast their ballots. there is a ton of early voting happening, of course, around the country. but democrats have been flailing with a message that has been all over the place. they have not focused in on the economy and what joe biden -- his policies and how they could -- they're helping to improve the copy. instead, they've -- abortion was supposed to be a huge turnout factor in this election and it remains to be seen. voters are not voting -- the voters we spoke to in pennsylvania aren't going to show up just because of abortion. they're showing up because of a host of issues. in recent days, president biden has hit up the stump and really his model is just -- democrats would emulate it, they would -- he's connecting the threat to democracy to what is happening, the stability of america and how that also is contributing to the
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unrest. really obama has done a good job of threading the needle between extremism and the -- the economic outlook. >> quickly, because i do want to get another one to jesse, why do you think that the republicans' messaging on the economy and crime is so effective when the threat to democracy is still very real? >> well, that's something that voters encounter every day when they go to the grocery store and their eggs cost more, their rent is higher. they're not able to purchase homes in a neighborhood a year ago they would have been able to. in some of the policy measures that the biden administration has taken, they aren't going to kick in for a year or two. >> is immediate change on the gop ticket? >> does it matter. it doesn't matter when it's a midterm election where history tells us, people just want to change and they see the current party as the cause of the problem. >> real quick, i want to play
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you a little bit of liz cheney here campaigning for slotkin in michigan. >> we have to stand up, every one of us, and say we're going to do what's right for this country. we're going to look beyond partisan politics. if the people in our party are not doing the job they need to do, we're going to vote for the people in the other party because we are americans above all else. >> i got to be quick, can she make a difference? >> yes. i think there's a very ignored group of republicans, conservatives and independents who are looking for any excuse to vote with their conscious and not just follow party politics. and right now, the maga politics is a virus in the republican party. anyone who is speaking against it, has an audience. they may be quiet, but they're very important and they may make the decision this time around. >> thank you so much. let's see what the
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implications that this could be on the ground in some key states. dasha burns has been speaking with voters in pennsylvania. guad venegas is in las vegas. a big decision that will impact many folks there came last night. the pennsylvania supreme court now says mail-in ballots without dates should not be counted. what are the implications of that? >> reporter: well, lindsey, this was a big issue in the primary. if you guys remember, the oz and mccormick race was extremely tight and their campaigns were fighting it out. this is foreshadowing a drawnout legal process. the judges said they were very closely divided on this issue and basically the direction to county boards right now is to preserve and segregate those ballots. we don't know what ultimately is going to be done with those ballots. again, bringing us back to
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likely legal battle coming here especially if these races are very tight. the race that we are looking at that was likely going to be very, very close and very contentious is this race between oz and fetterman. and looking at the difference between the senate race and the governor's race, you see josh shapiro, the democratic nominee for governor miles ahead in his race. but the senate race is so, so narrow according to a lot of the recent polling. and we've been talking to voters who might be part of the reason there's that big gap there. people are splitting their tickets in states like pennsylvania, in georgia, in wisconsin, we're seeing these patterns and it might come as a surprise at a time when politics is so polarized. but for these folks sort of in that movable middle, the candidates really matter more than the party to them. and i want you to take a listen to daniel and jacqueline divine. we talked to them last week about this issue. take a listen.
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>> do you worry mastriano is too extreme? >> yes, yes. i personally believe that religion and politics should be separate and he's running a platform that, like, he wants, you know, to -- it to be together. and i don't believe that that should be. >> what i know about mastriano comes from shapiro's advertisements. >> i think fetterman, he wasn't able to say what he was going to do and how he was going to solve the specific problems. >> these are republican voters that are not going to be voting straight ticket republican on this -- in this race and i think you're going to see that in other states as well. this could be the big headline on november 9th. >> former president obama was in las vegas overnight to try to energize voters. the senate race becoming even more of a nail-biter. what's the feeling like on the ground? has anything shifted?
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>> lindsey, well, they got the energy that they wanted in that high school rally. people were lining up for hours before it even started. some of them weren't able to come inside because they were at capacity. and what the democrats wanted was obama to come in, as you mentioned, energy the voters. because the election, the two big races, you have the race for the governor's seat between the democrat looking to get re-elected against the republican and there's the u.s. senate race between cortez masto, the first latina elect today the senate by nevada and then you got laxault, the republican candidate. it's going to be important for democrats to get that turnout. we still have a few more days left of early voting. you have today, tomorrow and it goes through friday. so the democrats are sending the message to all of their voters, supporters, to come out and vote if they can during the early voting. of course, we have election day.
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we spoke to some of the people that attended the rally and this was the energy last night. >> for a moment, we all thought, we're looking at the polls and we're seeing that -- we're not seeing positive for us. and so with him energizing us today, that sends me to go out tomorrow to knock on doors for the next four days because we have to win this election. >> my mom said it best, she said if you don't get inspired by obama, you don't get inspired by anyone. and we just need that right now. >> reporter: it was a star-studded event. john legend was there. they had a mariachi group. they're trying to attract a lot of the latino voters in a state that is expected that one in five voters will be latino. and everyone else was there. you can see in the image here, the governor, senator rosen, everyone that is a democrat in nevada and that is running for a big race was present last night
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to energize. and you can expect a lot of the volunteers who were there last night to be knocking on doors this morning to try to get out more democrats to support their candidates. >> thank you both. coming up, we are tracking new warnings about the nuclear threat from russia, the conversations between russian military leaders that rattled u.s. officials. plus, the break-in at speaker pelosi's house was caught on capitol police security cameras. why didn't anyone notice right away? with the fed expected to notice another interest rate hike today, what it means from everything from your credit card debt to buying and selling a house. ret card debt to buying and selling a house. l you do? will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. here, is cvs health. here, we'll never be told our concerns are all in our head. here, we don't think we should pay more than men
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two major developments this morning in the war in ukraine. a white house official just announced north korea is covertly supplying artillery shells to russia to use in ukraine. national security council spokesman john kirby said north korea is obfuscating the shipments. this morning, the "new york times" citing multiple senior american officials reports senior russian military leaders recently had conversations to discuss when and how moscow might use a tactical nuclear weapon in ukraine. "the times" said president vladimir putin was not part of
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those conversations. but the fact that military leaders were even having the discussions alarmed the biden administration, because it showed how frustrated russian generals were about their failures on the ground and suggests that mr. putin's veiled threats to used nuclear weapons might not just be words. nbc news is working to independently confirm this. molly hunter joins me now from kyiv. molly, what more do we know about north korea supplying the russians? what are you seeing on the ground today? >> lindsey, nice to be with you. this is breaking news. we've just got this information from our colleague in washington. she reports in that intro that john kirby that north korea is shipping shells. he said it's a significant number. intelligence suggests that they're funneling shells through
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the middle east and north africa. the u.s. is monitoring this to determine whether those shells have actually been received and whether or not they are actually being used by russia in this war. i do want to update you and throw another big story line into the mix here. russia is back in that black sea grain deal, according to the turkish president. russia suspended or withdrew on saturday. no ships left ports on sunday. ships filled with grain left monday, tuesday and according to ukrainian officials at least eight vessels are expected to leave today. of course, as we've been talking about all week, they're heading for the middle east for the horn of africa to help with global famine. the other only update i'll bring you is from the capital. cruise missiles knocked out power for hundreds of thousands, knocking out the water supply. president zelenskyy says the water is back onto every
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household. many houses have been damaged. we also heard from the mayor that they're setting up 1,000 heating stations in the capital to people can charge their phones. >> molly hunter, thank you for those updates. john kirby saying this is a significant number of artillery shells that the koreans are providing the russians. they're trying to obscure -- that was molly saying thank you. through countries in the middle east and north africa. russia was already getting assistance from iran. this feels like we're creeping toward a bigger conflict. >> well, what it shows is the -- i guess within the russians, the dire straits there, how they have overcommitted themselves and underestimated the fight and the cost. the fact that they are going to north korea and iran and other nations to get 152 millimeter
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artillery shells because their own stocks are going down, or short-range ballistic missiles. it just shows how badly they planned. they're usually the suppliers to north korea and iran. yes, it's the world turned upside and they are in a -- i think from the kremlin's perspective, also in an existential fight and they're now going all out, every which way, to be able to sustain their troops in the field, the russians have badly, badly miscalculated as we've been watching the last eight months. >> general, when you say all-out, that's what worries us all. russian military leaders discussed the use of nuclear weapons, even though president putin wasn't directly involved. how alarming is that development? >> well, it is very troubling. but it is also the nature of senior military leaders, especially one that is nuclear
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tipped like russia in a major fight to talk as a minimum contingency, what if we get the order, it just doesn't magically happen. you've got to get people in units and capabilities in place, how would they be doing it? would it be doing from artillery or rockets or cruise missiles? all of that has to be planned out. the fact that they're talking about it is troubling. the fact that it has come out and perhaps through our side or allies is also an indication that someone wanted to get the news out that the russians are at least planning contingencies for it. that doesn't mean they're going to go do it. but, again, it just can't happen from nowhere. there are a lot of steps to take if you get the order to launch or drop. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there.
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thank you. another major provocation for north korea which launched a new barrage of missiles overnight. the country fired more than 20 missiles. a new record for a single day. >> the south korean military said one landed so close to the coast for the first time that it set off an air raid alarm with that tv announcement urging residents not to go outside. warplanes fired missiles along the sea border. north korea has conducted 23 weapons test so far this year. they have demanded the u.s. and south korea stop their joint military exercises. ahead, more targets, new details about what else the man charged with that violent attack
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this morning we are learning capitol police security cameras captured the break-in at nancy pelosi's home which led to the attack against her husband paul. it was reported by "the washington post." and the post says, quote, there on camera was a man with a hammer breaking a glass panel and entering the speaker's home according to three people and who have been briefed on or viewed the video themselves. two sources tell nbc news, nobody was actively monitoring that feed at the time of the attack. the suspect has pleaded not guilty to charges in state court yesterday, he's facing federal charges. he told police officers at the scene that he was on a suicide mission and he had even more targets. erin mclaughlin has the latest from san francisco. elise jordan is also back with us.
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what else did we learn about depape's alleged plan? >> yesterday's court hearing was brief, lasting less than 15 minutes. during the proceedings david depape appeared wearing an orange jumpsuit. his arm in a sling. the public defender saying that he had dislocated his shoulder during the course of the arrest in a press conference following the hearing, the public defender saying that his client -- he was going to be looking at his client's state of mind, as well as any online activity that his client may have participated in hinting at a possible defense. the prosecution filing the paperwork yesterday as well. really giving more details into david depape's state of mind during the attack telling police he was on a suicide mission and
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that he was sick of the lies being told in washington. all of that playing into the prosecution's argument that the court should once again deny david depape bail in the next court proceeding set for friday. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you. elise, i want to talk to you about the gop response to this. it's been bizarre. i want to show you how jd vance tried to maneuver around the topic yesterday at a town hall on fox news. >> i think the effort to turn this into a political issue actually is a real problem here. because paul pelosi was attacked -- look, paul pelosi was attacked by a person who is an illegal alien. >> police have not talked about depape's citizenship. kelly o'donnell was talking about this too, that some are laughing off this incident. why is the political party doing that to such a horrific crime?
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>> wow, times have changed. i just remember, you know, post-9/11 in the years of the so-called war on terror, if there had been someone attacking the spouse of a speaker of the house and calling it a suicide mission, the whole country would have been up in arms and there would have been bipartisan condemnation. it is a sign of the times, unfortunately, the polarization is so strong, that it's morphed into almost acceptance, turning away from this, and outright denial. i saw this in some of my focus groups where you see how voters are changing from seeing the other side as simply an opponent but seeing them -- and i think that's a big problem in american politics when we've gotten to the point where we demonize our political opponents and turn them into an enemy and not just
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an opponent to be, you know, defeated in an election, in a free and fair election. >> elise jordan, thanks for your time today. this morning, investors are bracing for what's expected to be another interest rate hike announced today. right now, the dow is down. you see here about 66 points. this will be the fourth consecutive time the fed has raised rates three quarters of a percentage point as part of their effort to tame inflation. and it's ahead of friday's jobs report which will give us a clearer picture of the labor force. just four days out from the midterms. let's bring in nbc news business and data reporter brian cheung. of course, everybody wants to know because they feel like this rate hike is inevitable, what is this going to do? how is this going to slow the economy down and when? >> we've heard this story so many times before, the fed is going to raise interest rates. and what they're doing is trying to make borrows costs more expensive to hopefully take that above 8% year over year inflation back down closer to
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what the fed would like to see of 2%. we're far from that. the question naturally is, the fed has done five interest rates hikes so far, the expectations for the sixth today. why hasn't inflation gone down yet? what does that mean for future hikes? credit card rates at 16% already. mortgage rates at 7% right now. americans are seeing those borrowing costs go higher, but inflation hasn't come down yet and economists are saying it might take 9 to 12 months for interest rates hikes to bite into aggregate measures on inflation or the labor market. we'll have to see whether or not that bleeds through. but jay powell is going to speak at a press conference, we'll see if he has anything to offer in terms of when we should see inflation go down. >> when we see the stock market's response to this and their reaction to what hasn't happened yet, by the way, it's down, why is that? i mean, if everybody thinks, okay, raising the rates is good because it means the economy cools down a little bit, we
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start paying less for good, why are we seeing negative 43 points? >> that's a pretty negligible change in the stock market. you see drift, it's markets doing essentially nothing leading up to that big 2:00 p.m. announcement where markets go, okay, this is what the fed has done. we have to remember that markets have priced in, they expect the fed to go by another three quarters of a percentage point. 2:30 is when we hear from the fed chair and that's where he could remark something about whether or not the fed is going to keep this aggressive pace through future meetings. maybe start to step down. the expectation is that the fed is going to have to make those hikes a little bit smaller. it's almost like when you're landing on the tarmac in a plane. you have to slow down at some point. when does that slowing down happen? maybe when the fed makes that commentary and markets will blink because of that new information. >> we know you stay on top of it today.
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the two-day hearing has been incredibly emotional with family members, victims delivering powerful impact statements face to face with their loved ones' killer. >> i wish no peace for you. i wish nothing but pain. the fact that you are still breathing the same air that i am sends shivering down my spine. you are a revolting entity. i can't even call you human as you are not. >> sam brock is in fort lauderdale outside the courthouse. sam, important but incredibly difficult to listen to these families and their pain. any word on when the final sentence will come down. >> reporter: you can't spend more than five minutes inside of that courtroom without choking up, listening to every single story. in terms of what are the expectations for today, the broward county court building, we're expecting sometime in the
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1:00 p.m. hour for a half dozen families or so to give their testimonies and that's it. prosecutors will file motions and then the judge will hand down the decision probably, lindsey, in the 3:00, 4:00 range. we'll have to wait and see again. that's eastern/standard time. there's no mystery here. as you said a second ago, it's going to be life in prison without the possibility of parole. to take that breath metaphor, one of the speakers said i can't believe i'm sharing the same air with someone who wanted to take my last breath. they're wondering how it's possible that the death penalty, in this case, which is the deadliest mass shooting to ever make it to trial in the united states, could not end up in capital punishment. you need unanimity. but the supreme court struck down a portion of the rule, it was rewritten starting in 2017. you need consensus and many of these family members tell me,
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lindsey, they feel like the victim impact statements that they issued months ago when the death sentence portion of this trial was going on, went nowhere. they were speaking on behalf of people who have no voice for themselves right now and despite the fact that prosecutors said that the shooter in this case spent seven months planning this massacre, google searched songs to play while killing people and haunted down children in classrooms, that that was not enough to convince the jury in this case to decide for capital punishment. they're trying to process the pain that they've experienced and the reality that he's going to be spending the rest of his life behind bars, but alive. i spoke with a former warden that told me that death row would have been a vacation for the shooter because on death row, at least that can go on for years, you're getting three meals a day, you have access to the internet. this shooter now at some point is going to go into the general population. and that is going to be a bad
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experience for him. >> lindsey? >> sam brock, thank you. we're hearing recordings of 911 calls placed inside of robb elementary school during that shooting. the recordings were obtained by the texas tribune and they reveal the terror as students and teachers pleaded for help and waited and waited for police. it's unclear how the tribune obtained this audio. gabe gutierrez is with us now. we knew a little bit about the timeline before, but this really hammers it home. what did we learn from these audio recordings? >> and it is tough to listen to. and it really shows the totality of the botched response here by law enforcement. and we should warn our viewers, that this is incredible difficult to listen to.
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but, we felt that it is important to show -- to show the extent of how frustrated family members are by how long it took officers to go into this school. after this one young girl, just 10 years old, after her first call, it took more than 40 minutes, according to these recordings, for law enforcement to go into the elementary school. again, a warning to our viewers, let's play some of that tape. >> there's a school shooting. >> yes, i'm aware. i was talking to you earlier. you're still in room 112. >> yeah. okay. you stay on the line with me. do not disconnect. >> can you tell the police to come to my room? >> i already told them to go to the room. we're trying to get someone to you. >> and that is 10-year-old chloe torres. her father speaking with the texas tribune said he was disgusted with the police response and it was mind-boggling why it took first
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responders so long to breach that classroom. especially, that the government -- the school shooter was not barricaded in that room, that he especially -- that the officers were barricading themselves outside and he's incredibly frustrated and we've been hearing from family members down in uvalde, they want accountability here. just a few weeks ago, the school district's police chief was fired. there have been increasing calls for the head of the texas department of public safety steve mccraw to resign. last week in a public meeting, he said he would not do so because in his words, he did not feel that texas dps failed the students as an institution. of course, many of those family members disagree. >> we should mention, chloe did survive. so much was learned from those tapes too. another teacher saying, i'm so scared. we were hearing from arredondo when there were victims inside.
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a mistake to permanently suspend former president trump in the wake of the january 6th attack on the capitol. the company chief of safety and integrity says they froze some items for content moderation. i want to read you some of that. this is exactly what we or any complp should be doing in the midst of a corporate transition, to reduce opportunities for insider risk. we're still enforcing our rules at scale. what does that insider risk mean? what's a risk to freeze these tools? >> you can imagine at a pivotal transition point where a lot of employees are unhappy about the new ownership, there's a chance that some of the employees may be laid off or fired. they were concerned that people might do something drastic on their way out of door. you may remember a few years
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ago, an employee on their last day disabled president trump's account when he was still in office. there is a bit of history here with people walking out the door, making a lasting mark perhaps on an account that they dislike. in this case, they froze everything for most employees. there are a few who have access to these cools. there's a lot of concern with the election coming up that some of the trust and safety folks might not be able to do their job. that's the tradeoff. >> another big area musk has been talking about is verification. the blue check marks on twitter. he is talking about charging $8 a month to be verified. isn't the point of verification to authenticate you are who you say you are? what happens if anyone could pay for it? >> yeah. i see a lot of flaws with this plan. i saw he was tweeting i believe this morning that part of the motivation for this is to weed out the bots. a bot or spam account is not going to put a credit card down.
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therefore, only the people who are willing to pay for this will know those are the real users. well that presumes everyone who is a real user wants to pay $8 a month. i don't think that's realistic. i understand they're trying to come up with ways to boost revenue. they're trying to cut costs and figure out how to supplement their advertising business. i get that. i'm not sure that charging for verification really accomplishes that goal in the way they think it does. i get the sense a lot of this is being thought of on the fly. i wouldn't be shocked if that plan sort of evolves or changes over the next couple weeks. for now, it really doesn't make a lot of sense for me that they would want to do that. >> employees were supposed to hear from musk today. employees told cnbc yesterday that was canceled unexpectedly. you tweeted it's crazy employees have heard nothing from musk or other executives. they are learning about things through people like you in the
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press. when do you think employees will hear? what can you tell us about the strategy? >> it's crazy. i have never seen something like this. imagine you are an employee at twitter. every one of the senior leaders of the company, everyone who reported from the ceo to the -- they're all gone. there's no announcement when you will hear from the new owner. a lot of people are sitting around waiting to be laid off or to hear that their colleagues are laid off. we don't know when we will hear from elon. the fact that there's this real dramatic uncertainty at the company is really scary to a lot of people who work there. the fact that he hasn't translated his plan to anyone at the company makes it very difficult. i haven't seen anything like this before. for now, employees are quite unsettled by everything that's been going on. >> certainly. curt wagner, thank you for joining us. that does it for me. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. etwood mac ♪
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