i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now disturbing new details about the break-in and assault of paul pelosi and incredible scope of the security challenge facing capitol police. law enforcement had security cameras trained on nancy pelosi's home and still couldn't stop the attack on her husband.

the rising tide of threats some amplified by people in power is escalating the risks. and it prompted this warning from hillary clinton. a woman who knows all-too well what it is like to be targeted. >> ask yourselves, please, why would you entrust power to people who are either themselves unable to see how terrible it is that someone would be attacked in their home or don't really care because they think that it will somehow get them votes that will get them elected. >> and speaking of big political names, some of the biggest are on the campaign trail today including former president obama in arizona. we have brand new poll numbers from there and from wisconsin where margins in both the senate and governor's races are razor thin. and soon the gunman in parkland, florida is expected to be formally sentenced to life in prison. not the death sentence so many families have been hoping for.

later this hour, i'll talk to the reverend risher whose mother was killed in charleston. why she wrote a stunning op-ed saying she wishes that had never happened. but we start with the nearly impossible task of trying to protect members of congress and their families, a job already extraordinarily complicated and expensive. in court filings, we learn that the suspect told officers at the scene, quote, i'm sick of the insane fing level of lies coming out of washington, d.c. i came here to have a little chat with his wife. an obvious reference to speaker nancy pelosi. he also said that he was on a suicide mission. nbc news has now confirmed that capitol police did have a camera on the pelosi home. but it was one of 1800 live feeds coming into their headquarters in d.c. according to the "washington

post," police didn't see the attack until they noticed police lights flashing on the screen and then they rebound the feed and saw the suspect breaking in by shattering the glass with a shammer. it underscores the immense challenge for capitol police trying to respond to thousands of threats while leveling up security in realtime. in fact the new head of the capitol police announced new layers of physical security for lawmakers just yesterday during this hour. but experts say it is still no where close to what is needed. i want to bring in erin mclaughlin who is live in san francisco. and marianna sotomayor, a reporter and also a former special agent and assistant dean at yale school of affairs. and we're talking about lawmakers, their families, potentially threats to their challengers. all of them out campaigning pretty much every day in public.

talk to me about the level of complexity in trying to keep them all safe. >> it is incredibly complex, but i think that we don't want to fall into the all or nothing trap where everything has to be done or nothing can be done. the failures and gaffes that this particular incident exposed i think at least points the way towards what can be done initially. so for example, beefing up security to monitor the security -- the home security feeds of the people that we know have credible threats against them. pelosi would be one of those people. and to have that at high risk at times during the night for example. leveraging resources. so pelosi's home in california did have san francisco law enforcement detail after january 6, but that was removed. federal funds could be given to local police departments to provide that protection. and then do this around the high

risk times, which as you noted are the election, you know, time period. i think the long term though is that we are, frankly, just in an age of heightened political violence and at some point we just are going to have resources across the board. >> marianna, experts told you if the capitol police would stop an attack at any home, they had the best chance do so at pelosi's and they still couldn't do it. i wonder what experts are telling you about how the intense political climate and climbing number of threats which we've can covered has made security exponentially harder. >> it really has made it much more diblgts. and here is the thing. yesterday in a statement u.s. capitol police chief said that they need more resources. and they need more officers, something that they have seen actually lagging since january 6

when there were a number who left the force and recruitment has not met the standard before january 6 and just the need to recruit way more police to be able to protect these members of congress. and it is worth noting pelosi just gets so much more security because it is incomparable the amount of threats that she gets compared to even other lawmakers, including republican leader, including her senate leader democratic leader on the senate side chuck schumer. an those simply are become of just the political violence and the moment that we are in. many lawmakers also recognizing that they likely will not get, you know, their own police security, but they do have resources to be able to tap into beefing up security around their homes, their cars, their own district offices. but there is a lot of fear and even in light of our reporting i've heard from democratic house members and aides just in shock honestly that capitol police

couldn't even prevent someone from going into the speaker's home and it leaves many of them feeling even more vulnerable. >> and i want to talk a little bit more about that, but if i can go back to those 1800 cameras, and the fact that nancy pelosi did have a lot of security. she is the number one target. she does get the highest number of threats. having said that, she had left san francisco. so most of the security detail left her, so you have 1800 cameras. capitol police only have about 2300 employees total. so how does this even work? i assume you prioritize, but once she leaves san francisco, as i said, the detail goes with her. i mean, how does this get done? i know you say you need to put more resources at it. is it also strategic, is it also somebody dropped the ball, is it also there is so many things people will be looking at because they always do a post, right, when something like this happens. what do you want to know about

what happened that night? >> well, i mean, i am hesitant to fault the capitol police. as you mentioned, that is a huge number of security footage. i do think that at a heightened time leading up to an election where you have someone who has the volume of threats that was just mentioned, that seems like something that could be specifically monitored on an ongoing basis. and i do think that we shouldn't overlook the ability to leverage other law enforcement. it shouldn't have to be only on the capitol police. you know, local and state law enforcement also has an interest in protecting these people. this particular perpetrator had other state lawmakers on his list. so i think potentially getting federal funding to leverage the resources and have the people who have the expertise locally for the families could be a way

forward. but i don't think that you will get around ultimately just having to hire a lot more people. it is just the cost at this point of the refusal to condemn political violence and using that as a political tactic but people who have the visibility and megaphone do it. >> you bring up a good point, he did have essentially a hit list of other public figures. they didn't name names. so what is the latest when it comes to mr. pelosi? >> reporter: we're getting new details from the documents filed. they allege that the suspect was actually present when paul pelosi called 911 going so far as to identify himself for the police dispatcher as david, claiming to be a family friend,

something that paul pelosi denied to the dispatcher, it was a tense conversation, tense enough to prompt the police dispatcher to elevate and prioritize the call. the police arriving at the home in a matter of minutes according to those court documents, david depape said that he was on a suicide mission and he chose not to leave the residence saying that he was sick of the lies being told in washington and as you mentioned, he had other high profile prominent individuals on his list as well. several according to the court papers, several and local officials including a college professor and their relatives. all of those details the prosecutor alleging to press the court in the court proceeding scheduled for friday to once again deny the specific bail.

>> thank you all, we appreciate your time. meantime the supreme court has taken the rare step of weighing in on one of the numerous investigations into the 2020 election. ordering senator lindsey graham to comply with a subpoena and testify before a grand jury in georgia. the d.a. in fulton county wants to question graham about calls he made to georgia's secretary of state about alleged voter irregularities. the most recent subpoena calls for graham to testify two weeks from tomorrow. and now to a fascinating twist in the doj investigation into january 6. just take a look at these images. they look a lot like the protests at the capitol, signs that say stop the steal and count every vote. but this is from south florida in 2018. now, these protests were relatively small. they focused on a single senate race there. but investigators are now looking into whether it was also a model for the january 6 insurrection. i want to bring in mike schmidt

who co-wrote the article. so why do investigators think there might be some sort of connection between these protests? >> there is a significant overlap between individuals on the ground in washington on january 5 and 6 and those that were at the protests. the authorities are looking at the role of an individual named jacob engels who identifies with the proud boys, he is a close associate of roger stone. and the authorities are seeking to understand his role in these 2018 protests and whether these 2018 protests were sort of, you know, not necessarily a test run because i don't think that anyone could predict the future, but a precursor to what we saw on january 6. and these were -- the facts are similar. it did not erupt into the violence or lead to the number of arrests or charges the way

january 6 did, but you had people like donald trump out there stoking claims about, you know, false claims about the election being stolen. you had individuals who were allied with roger stone heading to these events to protest. representative matt gaetz was on the ground at the protests leading some of the protestors with a megaphone. so there are some similarities here and it shows that the authorities are casting a wide net as they try to understand everything that went into january 6. >> so at what part of the case that the doj is building could this possibly fit in? >> it is not clear. so we do know that several proud boys have already been charged with seditious conspiracy. one of the most severe charges the department has handed out. we know that this individual mr.en gels is under scrutiny and they are looking at his conduct related to these two different events. he has not been charged.

roger stone has not been charged. authorities have requested questions about his role in this event. he was not on the ground at the event. he did say at the time that many of his friends were going to it. this type of information could be used at a trial to show repeated pattern of behavior and that these individuals had a predisposition of action in the fact that they went so far as doing it as far back as 2018. and in the end, you know, who knows what it will really mean. this is a fast ongoing wide ranging investigation. and they are looking at a lot of different things. and for us, it gave us a sense of just how far back they were looking. >> another big article in the "new york times," thank you, appreciate you coming on the show. and more interest rate hikes are likely on the way with the fed announcement less than an hour out. what it could mean for your wallet and the midterms. a potential upset in deep

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in the next hour the federal reserve is betting that the fourth time might be the charm. we expect another three quarters of a percentage point interest rate hike. part of their plan to fight back against record high inflation. "wall street journal" is asking what every american wants to know about this, which is what the fed's rate increases mean for your debts. your savings. your financial plans. and that is where we start with brian chung. should we be reassessing our financial plans? >> i think the biggest takeaway is don't miss a credit card payment. and that is because interest rates are highest level, 16.27% the last read. obviously it makes sense because the federal reserve set the

benchmark interest rate and everything else that you have to borrow money for like mortgages or car loans get more expensive as well. but don't panic about your 30 year fixed mortgage if you have a rate. >> how many year have 30 year fixed mortgages anymore? >> especially in this housing market with 7% mortgage a rates, nobody wants to take one out. but if you already had a mortgage prior to these interest rate hikes, what about happen today won't impact that. >> so don't panic. wait. and then they will all come down next year, right? >> well, we'll see. if the federal reserve has to do that u-turn. hopefully inflation rate goes down. >> brian chung, thank you for popping in. >> and as the days tick down, pressure ratcheting up. surrogates are out in full force. barack obama is the headliner tonight in arizona. that is home to two of the tightest races in the country. and a pair of recent polls shows

mark kelly slightly up on republican blake masters. and virtual tie in the governor's race between trump backed kari lake and democrat katie hobbs. a new anti-lake ad with a blunt message from the mother of capitol police officer who died on january 6. >> kari lake is very dangerous for our country. she saw what happened on january 6 and continues to spread the big lie. and we're going to have more violence because people believe whatever she says. it is very dire for our democracy, for our country. with candidate my son died because of people like kari lake. >> and wehave vaughn hillyard with us. i was struck bien a article about the role barack obama is playing behind the scenes. it said with votes approaching

he has again become concerned that some in his party especially pundits focus too much on the strong aspects of trump refusing to learn the lessons of the 2016 elections as you sees them. so tell me, what are we expecting from obama tonight and honestly, what impacts do you think democrats have in tight races? >> right, this is what you've seen from him so far over the last several days on the road in states including like wisconsin where shaq is at now where he hit republican ron johnson especially on the idea of the privatization of social security. you have seen democrats largely steer away in many cases away from the economic issue here. take a place like arizona which has had among the highest inflation rates, heist gas prices seen over the course of the last two years anywhere in the country. but the case that obama and other democrats are making, the likes of katie hobbs here have begun to hone in on the economic message, pushing back against

the republican messaging here and instead making the case that it is republicans who are putting the economy at risk here. putting the savings of americans, health care costs of americans at risk and really trying to play offense on the issue of the economy here. and that is what you should expect for him to see here today. you just saw those latest poll numbers not only in the senate race but governor's race very clear. and i have to note here, when you are looking at the likes of the idea of election denialism, kari lake is not running from that. last night steve bannon and charlie kirk were on the stage with her. so lines are clearly drawn. now it is up to voters here when it comes to the issues and how they choose to vote in the days ahead. >> no doubt she is all in. meantime, shaq, i understand that you were able to catch up with ron johnson. we haven't seen any of this interview yet. what did he tell you? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. and really he defended the

intensification that you are seeing out here on the campaign trail. by the way we just got a new poll result from marquette university showing that this race is neck and neck, a toss up. ron johnson slightly ahead in the senate battle, but well within the margin of error. but despite that, you really have been seeing on both sides the attacks starting to heat up really intensifying on the trail. mandela barnes out with a new ad against ron johnson saying that he changed tax law to benefit his family. and ron johnson getting personal with his attacks against mandela barnes out on the stump. i asked him to explain the attacks and defend them a little bit. listen to what he told me. >> we heard you say even today your opponent does not like america or wisconsinites. >> and he said that america is awful. >> colonialization. >> and again saying that wisconsin is institutionalized racism. and we can seal it. is that -- does that sound like very supportive of

wisconsinites? >> and to give you context, something we've seen on the stump and campaign ads from republicans and senator ron johnson is a clip of mandela barnes, lieutenant governor here talking about and criticizing how some schools are restricting the teaching of slavery and colonization in america. he said the founding of america in some things in the founding of america were awful and you hear it being used as an attack line against him in this election. that just gives you a sense of how tense things are and how close this race is gelling. more than a half million people have cast their ballot across the united states. and sos are out on the stump on campaign tours trying to make that final pitch. >> and you can feel the intensity. and i want to talk to you about the federal judge issuing a restraining order against the group that was monitoring ballot boxes there in arizona. what more can you tell us about

that? >> right, initially a federal judge last week approved the actions of these individuals, some masked, some armed, many videoing or taking photographs of people as they dropped off their balancing lot drop boxes, taking pictures even of their license plates. but what you saw in the order late last night here in the appeal handed down is the determination that the group that is behind many of these individuals, clean elections usa, is not able to engage in this sort of -- the covert operation, masks and taking of photographs of license plates here. and that the leader of this group melody jennings who is based out of oklahoma, that she had to post on her social media account a disclaimer noting that folks are allowed to drop off multiple -- or mail ballots at drop boxes if they live at the home that are either -- that they are the care give for or family members because a lot of the targeting was around individuals supposedly operating

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before voters have even weighed in on the midterms, president biden is quietly but clearly preparing a potential re-election bid. that is from the "washington post" with multiple people familiar with the planning telling them that the president and first lady have been meeting at the white house residence for the last two months with what senior advisors call a very small group to prepare for a potential 2024 re-election campaign. with donald trump meantime saying that he will, quote, probably have to run again. so the big question is, will they and if so, who might challenge them. let's discuss with rich lowry

with the national review. and so rich, trump's former white house chief of staff reince priebus said i'm like 95% sure that he is going to run. the real question is are other big challengers going to run. if president trump runs, he will be very difficult for any rop republican to defeat. so who has the chutzpah to run against trump if that is the right word? and will they learn the lesson from 2016 which i think is that you can't be afraid to engage strongly and early. >> yeah, i would have thought a year ago that trump would basically clear the field. i don't think so now. i think esantis probably runs. he is the other big kahuna in the room who will have a big night tuesday. and i think pence probably runs. i think a handful of others run. i think that terrorism's ego will say i want a really small field but i think trump's political interests would actually be in a big field.

that is why if you were calculating my own interests, i'd wait back, let other candidates get in, i could afford to wait. i don't have to do big preparations to start a national campaign. try to get a big field. because, you know, maybe he has majority support because more likely he has plurality support and better for him if the field is divided. >> so split the anti-trump vote essentially. a couple days a ago, paul ryan predicted had trump wouldn't be the nominee because republicans want to win. but is it about raising money, name recognition, organization? what is it play here if you think that you can beat trump or you are advising? >> i would say 80% chance that trump runs and probably about 60% chance that he wins the nomination. so not a lot. but he'd be the strong favorite.

and to simplify horribly, he is about 49% in national poles in republican primary ballots. and so if that 49% is real and that is just rock solid people committed to supporting trump, he will be unbeatable and he will win the nomination. but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a lot of sentiment mixed in there. i don't like you pollsters, go away, i like what trump did, so i'm going to tell you that i'll support him when it is not rock solid. but only way to test it is to find out and we probably will. >> let me ask you about joe biden because he's said that he will definitely run. and definitely if trump runs. and he is preparing to deliver a speech tonight focused on the dangers that republicans have on the democracy. what do you think the odds are that both biden and trump run, that it is a rematch? >> i think it is less likely that biden runs. now, i know there is this big "washington post" story about the preparations that they are

making. i think that that would be normal and not unexpected. i just think he is old obviously and i think that it is showing. >> so is trump. >> yes, so is trump. but biden is making these mistakes out there every day that speak a little less, you know, not being able to come up with a name, which we all do, we all flub words. but speak to kind of a confusion that is disturbing. it won't get better. so i'm not so sure that he is going to run. and it wouldn't surprise me if beginning wednesday you begin to have some -- i think there is subterranean doubts about this in the democratic party, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear more expressions publicly. maybe he has done a great job and he did the country a service, but maybe it is time for a new generation. >> rich, i think you just expressed the worst fear of a lot of people exhausted by politics which is that the day after the election, we're going to go into the presidential.

>> absolutely. come on, chris, we're talking about it a couple days before the election on your show, so no room to complain. >> guilty as charged. thank you for coming on the plan. potentially big upset in deep red oklahoma. the unexpected political alliance pushing to get a democrat in the governor's mansion for the first time in more than a decade. >> it is historic, truly up blink. but it actually signals the fact that there is so much at stake. >> but first, another emotional court hearing just getting under way before the parkland school shooter heads to prison for life. family members coming face-to-face with him for a second day this afternoon. my next guest knows their pain all-too well. but why she says the death penalty is not the answer. that's the real question. with fidelity income planning, we'll help you create a clear, personalized plan for cash flow, even when you're not working.

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more emotionally wrenching days in a courtroom than what is happening right now in florida. the families of the 17 people killed at marjorie high school are angry and they are getting that rare opportunity to look their loved one's killer in the eye before he is sent to prison for life. their pain is all-too familiar for too many families across the country. including our next guest whose mother, two cousins and six others in her community were murdered in 2015 at mother emanuel ame church in charleston. that killer because sentenced to death. reverend risher here with me now. thank you so much for coming on. and what you wrote for the "new york times" i thought was just so powerful and i want to point out that you are very clear the best thing anyone can do for someone facing such immeasurable

pain is to offer authentic and nonjudgmental presence. but i also know you know what they are going through. what is your message to them as they begin to at least try to close this chapter? >> well, i think the message to them is to feel and go through whatever emotions that are going on with them right now. there is a gamut of emotions that are going on. when i sat in a courtroom and did exactly some of the things that they did, i was so conflicted, just so many feelings going on. and so i understand the anger and not wanting him to live. but i do believe with time, because i know that you can change, those feelings can change. and i just pray that they are

able to get the support they need from their family and friends and their church. not to bombard them with your feelings, but to really be in tune with them and offer just a ministry of presence. >> debbi hixson whose husband was killed in parkland shared this with me yesterday about what the official's sentencing today means to her. >> he will become a number in a prison and honestly i don't care what happens to him. i can't continue to hold that anger inside of me and ever have the chance of grieving and being able to move forward in a positive way. >> your mother and two cousins' killer did get the death penalty. you say you wish he hadn't. tell us why. >> so my belief carries me to a

place where the only way that i was able to deal with everything that came out of my mother being murdered and why she was being murdered was to go in a spiritual place because otherwise i would be just like ms. hixson. i've met her, i have hugged her, i've cried with her, and i understand that when i gave my victim statement to dylann roof, i told him that i wished those nine angels will visit him every night in his cell and maybe one night he and his miserable life would be able to go to god. so i understand the anger. i was angry too in the beginning. but we have an opportunity to really heal. you don't have to believe what i believe. but killing him, i swear,

killing him is not going to bring them back. and so from my point of view, the death penalty needs to be abolished because we already know it is disproportionately meted out to people of color, poor people. but i understand her, i really, really do. and my heart goes out to each and every person involved with the parkland shooting. >> can i just ask you one thing, because i happened to be in charleston the night of the shooting. and i think about it nearly every day. and the reason is because i was so inspired by the faith and capacity for forgiveness of the people at your church. your sister was one of the first people to talk about forgiveness. 48 hours, 48 hours later, for a lot of people forgiveness is

unimaginable. i think about it, how hard it is to forgive people for small slights and yet you all did it. how did you do it? >> okay. so i was not one of those people that did it 48 hours later. it took me almost two years to get to a point in my life where i knew that holding on to all of this was eating me up and making me physically and mentally sick. and so my faith said hold on to what you believe. the death penalty i believe is just not a way to get revenge. and that is what we want most of the time, revenge. but we can't as humans, you know -- my faith says, you know, there is differences in what people understand about faith. my faith tells me that i will

not seek revenge and that god loves me just as much as he loves nikolas cruz and dylann roof. but it took me time to get to that point. and who knows what they will feel three, four, five years down the line. >> reverend, thank you for what you wrote and for taking the time to come on the program. >> thank you for having me. nk ye this week is your chance to try any subway footlong for free. like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free! this guy loves a great offer. so let's see some hustle!

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where he will be back and it looks like he does win, and if he does, what does it mean for the future of u.s./israeli relations? >> greetings. to the second question, i'm not sure how much it will change. but the fundamental change -- it is so historic and so entrenched at this point that i don't think having a stronger opponent in the peace process will make that much difference for the united states at this juncture. the peace process is centered with less hope and less so than 30 years ago. on the question of benjamin netanyahu's comeback, he is the ultimate survivor and obviously extremely gifted politically and he has very hard line views, no one should be confused about

that, and it is probably not a huge stretch for him intellectually or morally, and i think that, you know, he's a great tactician, as well as a great strategist. so one of the most effective politicians of our time, whether you like him or not, and i am not a big supporter, but i would concede his political skill. >> thank you very much. and i know we had a few difficulties, technical difficulties and we appreciate you hanging in there. a political alliance in oklahoma could be handing republicans a devastating upset in what was supposed to be an easy rait race for him. >> joy hoffmeister barn storms oklahoma in a political alliance so potent she could be the sooner state's first democratic governor in more than a decade. >> we have 12 days until election day. all right? who's ready? okay. >> oklahoma's five largest native american tribes issuing

an unprecedented joint endorsement of the state superintendent hoffmeister. >> it's historic, truly humbling but it actually signals the fact that there is so much at stake. >> the current governor is the most anti-indian govern nert state of oklahoma. >> that's a big statement. >> it is. and if you go back in time, the bar is high. >> and the renegotiating of the gaming compact and the tribal sovereignty on other issues particular has made it an existential fight. the campaign responding to nbc news in a statement, saying he has worked to create more fair opportunities for all people who call oklahoma home. >> what is at stake for the choctaw nation? >> for us, it is our sovereignty. >> 16% of oklahomaens identify with one native american tribe,

the second highest percentage of any vote and a powerful voting block if reunited. and which they predict they will be amid a voter education push by the tribes. >> there has been no more unifying force in indian country in oklahoma than kevin, he has rallied us to the cause of defeating him, and i've never seen anything like it. >> the biggest challenge may be simple math. more than 400,000 registered republicans in this state than democrats and donald trump won by half a million points in 2020. hoffmeister switched parties last year and attacking him from the right on issues like crime. >> the fact is the rates of violent crime in higher oklahoma, are higher on your watch than in new york and california. >> not true. >> with polls showing the race a dead heat, the republican governor's association is now spending seven figures on tv ads

reminding hoffmeister is a democrat now and linking her to president biden. >> american energy is under attack. president biden and joy hoffmeister are leading the charge. >> now, chris, hoffmeister has been getting outside help too, to the tune of almost $25 million in dark money, much of it in attack ads hammering her opponent, could the money be coming from the tribes? they're not saying. and it is impossible to track completely. and to the numbers problem, there is a new poll out here this week that has her winning independent voters in oklahoma by 10 points but still losing the state in the high single digits, and it is that republican in the state, working uphill and a very interesting race to watch on election night. >> it's fascinating, and what is a crazy year overall. garrett haake, thank you for that. that's going to do it for us this hour. i'm chris jansing. be sure to watch us every day 1:00 eastern time.

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