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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it's the economy, and/or is it the economy "or," in other words what if everyone is deciding on multiple issues or one issue? with five days to go, who is still out there deciding? with that in mind, there are a lot of conversations happening both in private and in public about just what the democratic party is pitching to those still deciding. voters in the final days before the election, the midterms, and from the sound of it, the internal worries are that that

pitch is wrong. for example, president joe biden spoke about the threats to democracy last night, some big name dems were openly wondering who he was talking about, former obama aide david axle rod says two former bernie sanders campaign managers, saying that if you really want to persuade the really persuadable, rewrite the speech and focus on the cost of living. after the guts of the address in which the president made an impassioned warning about what political lies are doing to this country, long-time white house chief peter baker noting the polls care more about the inflation and economy and in his speech, president biden seems quote almost to be arguing with those voters who were not in his view prioritizing election legitimacy highly enough. medicare, social security, and the other issues were important, he said, but there's something else at stake. democracy itself.

we can't pretend it is just going to solve itself, he said. there is a lot of hand wringing because there is a lot at stake on both democracy and the economy. just open any newspaper and you will see it. front page features on election integrity and voting laws, and extremism, side by side, with big takeouts on rate hikes, and housing, and infrastructure. the open question, and the one we won't have a concrete answer to until the votes are cast and counted is how americans are prioritizing it is all. is it the economy and, or the economy period? joining me from clarkston georgia, ellison barber, and wilkes-barre pennsylvania, dasha burns and manchester new hampshire, nbc's ryan nobles. everyone, welcome and thank you for starting us off. georgia is where republicans are trying to gain a seat, trying to take it away from the democrats. what is the latest for the race

for the senate? ellison? >> reporter: yes, i'm not a huge fan of cliches but my producer dan gallo is, he is also a big fan of dan rather election quotes, so to quote dan rather, this senate race is tighter than rusted lugnuts on a '55 ford. if you look at where candidates are spending their time in the final stretch, interestingly they seem to be focusing primarily and heavily on districts they know they will hold and seem to be turning out the most loyal supporters not necessarily convincing independent or potential swing voters and speaking with them. and we talked to voters, and regardless of the political affiliation, they tell us the biggest concern is the economy and gas prices. that being said, when you talk to democrats in particular, they often list a number of other issues that are also up very high for them. on the campaign trail, senator warnock has spent a lot of time

trying to emphasize his work in washington, d.c. he talked a lot about the inflation reduction act and other pieces of legislation he says have been geared towards helping georgians economically. he is also trying to paint his opponent, herschel walker as someone who is unqualified to hold office, and some who is dishonest. herschel walker spends most of his time drilling in and focused on the economy, the cost of gas, the prices people are seeing at the grocery store, and trying to tie senator warnock to president biden who has an approval rating in this state that is less than 40%. but all of that aside, one thing to keep in mind as we head toward election day, the economy no doubt a huge issue here but keep an eye on the potential for split ticket voters. in our recent poll, you have about 11% of republican-leading voters saying that they are either going to vote for senator warnock, or vote for the libertarian candidate in this race, chase oliver. in a tight race, that can be a very big deal. i think when we see a lot of these ads in the senate race of

late, it feels like this is a race that has been painted as a character race, right? do you trust this candidate om or do you trust this person? and for many, they are looking for answers from both candidates, just issues on the economy, but this is a really close race, and it's probably going to come down to a few different factors for people, but no doubt the economy is big here. >> the economy "and." so dasha, talk to me about what you're seeing in pennsylvania. >> reporter: fetterman just finished up an event here in wilkes-barre with senator bob casey and at that event, we did not talk about threats to democracy, and not even much about abortion. the focus was the economy and inflation and how to make the economy work for working class families, this county is a blue collar county and this was a democratic strong hold for decades. until 2016, when trump won by double digits and again he did so in 2020. but these are the exact kind of

voters that fetterman from the beginning had felt like he might be able to win back. bring back into the fold of the democratic party. and the message here today, from him especially is would democrats have been able to accomplish the inflation reduction act, what democrats have done on the economy, and criticizing republicans for not taking enough action on that. but look, when i talked to voters, there is still a whole lot of talk about that debate, and as we look at polls, it does seem that it has at least a little bit of an impact. to that point, it's something that the oz campaign is aware of, outside of this event today, and the oz campaign sent a mobile billboard truck, which is sort of following fetterman around, replaying the debate, and i got to talk to you about a gentleman named cameron cox, ellison was just talking about folks splitting tickets, that is definitely evident here in pennsylvania as well, kind of the other way around. josh shapiro the democratic

candidate for governor miles ahead his republican opponent doug mastriano where the race is neck and neck and i want to hear about the debate, listen. >> so when did you make up your mind for the senate race? >> the debate night, something like 8:30 when you talked about fracking. he was strongly, strongly against natural gas. >> when you look at the governor's race, why is shapiro the one and not mastriano. >> you can hold shapiro accountable. mastriano doesn't care if he is accountable or not. >> >> reporter: the economy and fracking. energy, huge issues here, and they are of course tied together, oz campaigning oth in lackawanna county nearby, making his closing message, neck and neck, nail biter, whatever turn of phrase you want to use, this is coming down to the wire, katy. >> let's go to new hampshire which is the state that we haven't really been covering.

we talked a little bit about it with a new yorker write area few days ago when it looked pretty locked up for the democrats, and what does it look like now, ryan, just a week and a half later? >> reporter: well, even the democratic candidate maggie hassan wouldn't say this is locked up for democrats. democrats have said from the very beginning that they believe this is a close race and there is no doubt that the republican john bolduc has closed the gap between his incumbent, and there really isn't an early voting option in new hampshire. you can vote absentee. but there aren't polling locations that you can go to ahead of election day. so that means the lion share of their voting will be done on election day. and that gives granite staters more time to make up their minds. and they're still quite a few undecided voters and we caught up with quite a few of them today that are still yet to make up their mind.

>> this year is difficult. i think there are several top issues for new hampshire voters this election cycle. i think abortion is probably at the top of many people's lists, and i think even maggie hassan's opponent will likely drive out several people who may not have voted otherwise, but are voting for the abortion issue. >> i never minded the democrats that were in there. now, it just seems like they're in lock-step with the people who are ruining our economy. so they got to go. >> it seems like you want to vote all republican. >> i'm really independent but i might go straight ticket on this one. i don't see another option. people are hurting. people have to decide whether or not they want to eat or put gas in their car. >> reporter: so you can tell even with that last voter we spoke with, he said he may go straight ticket and still hadn't made up his mind. new hampshire voters pride themselves on being independent but there is a sense that the economy is a real problem here,

and they want to find someone to blame, and in this case, it is the folks in power, and that is the democrats, so that could be trouble, but again, this is not by any stretch locked up, and both campaigns are working their hardest to turn out the vote here in the closing days of the campaign. >> all right, everyone, thank you very much. joining me now is business and data reporter brian cheung, you're digging in to the numbers on the economy. talk to me about what you found. >> yes, as you were talking about the economy, remaining the top issue for voters across the country, and you take a look at the national numbers, this makes sense, right? we have 8.2% inflation, a lot of that coming from the rising cost of housing, and the only bright spot that we're seeing here is the unemployment rate at 3.5%. by the way, the lowest since 1969. but if you look at certain battleground state, the story on inflation might be worse in some areas and the story on the labor market might not be as pristine, in some areas, as well. and that's why i want to call attention to these three states, wisconsin, arizona,

pennsylvania, showing individual statistics, and when you take a look at wisconsin, america's dairyland, 5.26. that's 32% higher for a gallon of milk than it was a year ago when it was about $3.99. food insecurity becoming an issue in that state where you see food bank lines, 100 cars long, because of the need for help. and in arizona, a different story playing out when you talk about rent prices. and the hot phoenix area, going up by 21%, hotter than the national average. i talked to some people that said they saw their rent go up by about 40%. it's unavoidable and happening across the neighborhood leading to instability as well, as a lot of the homeless issue is getting worse in phoenix as well. the labor market, interesting to see in pennsylvania, 28% was the drop in job postings since march. so again, even though the unemployment rate is low, you're seeing some hiring firms pull back, in terms of how aggressive they want to get on hiring, perhaps ahead of a lower economic activity next year. all of this, a big reason why the economy is such a big issue

in each of these battleground states. >> thank you very much. and joining me now is msnbc contributor jonathan alter, and i want to finish a conversation we were having on the phone the other day about expectations and polling and what's going on right now. we have so much hand wringing among prominent democrats about what the messaging should be going into tuesday. and five days away from tuesday. is it the democracy? and the threats to it? and the lies and the violence and the scary stuff that's happening across the country? paul pelosi being a good example of it. or is it the economy and the cost of living, the stuff that brian just pointed out? or is it abortion? what is the message that the democrats are selling, and is it the right one at the moment? talk to me about what is going on. >> so you have to distinguish between two different buckets of voters. so for democratic activists, who are the ones who have already

voted in many states, and whom the democrats went up, wanting to drag, to drag reluctant voters to the polls, democracy is a very good issue. it gets them passionate, scared about the future of our democracy, and our country, and so there's some reasons to stress that. and reasons to stress trump. because it was opposition to trump that won the last two elections for democrats. but for the wider group of voters, the economy is number one. this will probably be seen as an inflation election. >> what about the indication of the threats of democracy a few days before the election? >> a lot of democratic strategists didn't want him to do that, but there is this potential silver lining where if you can get democrats to stop wringing their hands, and start wringing doorbells, and to pull those reluctant voters who are democrats to the polls on election day, maybe they can cut the republicans' margins on election day.

remember, that republicans don't really believe in mail-in voting and early voting. they are, according to election day itself, the election day itself and the only hope for democrats in various contests is that they can get enough democrats who are not voting early to vote late. >> so that's another issue, though, we saw in 2020, when the republicans were winning early in the night, or on election day, like donald trump, only to find themselves losing, as the absentee ballots and the early votes and all of the other mail-in votes were counted later on. they started to see their vote tallies, or their vote totals diminish. that's a messaging issue that democrats have, and it is a messaging issue that republicans have in the past taken real advantage of. hey, look, we were winning and now we're losing, there is something shady going on. >> that's true. and that gives them an advantage in perceptions on election night. and it gives them, you know, the

spin advantage, when big republican leads start melting over the course of the evening which is into the next day. >> if they do. >> if they do. but you know, i still think that the democrats have the better "get out the vote" strategy. because they're not putting all their chips on election day itself. and we need to look at election day in certain areas, there's a lot of things that can tamp downturnout, and if you're saying we want all of our people to turn out on this one day, which is the republican strategy, instead of over a period of weeks, it is worse for the get out the vote operation. i'm not saying that the republicans don't have major advantages going into this race, and i think it's really hard for the democrats to hold the house of representatives, but the senate is much more competitive. >> a couple months ago, we saw, or we heard from mitch mcconnell

saying candidate quality is important and talking about herschel walker and maybe some other candidates, and there might be some split ticket voters where that, that keep walker out of the senate. that could certainly happen in georgia. it might happen also in pennsylvania. but it might be fetterman out of the senate. but we heard republicans wringing their hands a few months ago. we're not hearing republicans wringing their hands any longer, we're hearing republicans crow and we're hearing democrats, already seeming to point the finger and casting blame and it doesn't seem like the democrats will have a good night on tuesday. >> i think that is basically true but also i don't think republicans ever really wring their hands. they, in 2018 -- >>. a little bit of it. >> they got crushed and they thought they were going to win. that is just the way they roll and in some way there were real advantages to that because a lot of voters want to be with the winner. the democrats try to raise money in small donations saying we're going to lose, give us money,

even when they're ahead. people have to understand that the polling industry is basically broken, the margin for error is huge, and they shouldn't jump to conclusions about what's going to happen on tuesday. >> take all of the polls with a grain of salt, as we say. >> salt shaker. >> or more than that. jonathan alter, thank you very much. we will see what happens on tuesday and in the days after, as the vote is counted. appreciate your time. >> thanks. and still ahead, evacuation warnings in japan, and six more ballistic missiles launch bid north korea. the fears for what kim jong-un might do next. and they were supposed to be the future of the democratic party. but latino voters are turning right. tim alberta of the atlantic cyaed to arizona to find out what the left has been doing wrong. first up what the d.o.j. offered the former trump adviser kash patel to get him to testify about the documents found at mar-a-lago.

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a close associate of former president donald trump has been granted immunity, to testify before a grand jury about the handling of classified documents at mar-a-lago. kash patel, a white house and pentagon aide under donald trump appeared before the grand jury, already, but he repeatedly took the fifth when he did. he was trying to avoid incriminating himself. now that the government has granted him immunity, he is cleared to answer those questions again, this time without the threat of incrimination. prosecutors are interested in pa tell because he's one of the aides who said donald trump broadly declassified documents when he left the white house in january 2021. in an interview breitbart news back in may, trump declassified whole sets of materials in anticipation of leaving government that he thought the american public should have the right to read themselves.

i was there with president trump saying we are declassifying this information. joining me is the "the wall street journal" reporter who broke this story, katie, good to have you. there is no paper trail other than kash patel saying he declassified this stuff and what we've seen or produced by the government or donald trump and what is it going to mean though for kash patel to answer questions without pleading the fifth? what sort of questions will he be asked? >> well, we know that prosecutors have already asked mr. patel a lot of questions, including questions about his claim that he was with president trump when he declassified these documents, like you said, that has not been backed up by any sort of documented evidence, but that is something that they want to press him on, as they try to learn about the president's motivations, and the president's intent, in holding on to these documents and what he might have thought was going on. now, the fact that they are

giving kash immunity to testify suggests that they feel whatever he has to offer, whatever information he can provide is going to be more helpful to them in shedding like on the actions of other people who are involved in the mar-a-lago, the documents probe, than just simply building a criminal case against mr. patel himself. we don't know if that necessarily means that they are getting closer to charging the former president, we do know that they are looking at other aides as well. but what this basically shows is that there is something larger at play here than just simply building a criminal case against kash patel. >> what does it mean about the relationship between patel and donald trump? can we infer anything? >> well, we have seen throughout trump's presidency, and even after the presidency, that kash patel was somebody who was very close to him, somebody that he trusted, and he leaned on, and so this is a person who is going to be able to provide, uniquely provide information about the president's mind set as he was, you know, dealing with these documents, and deciding whether

to turn them back over to the government. so he is in a very good position to provide prosecutors' information. that's why they agreed to offer him immunity, because they thought his testimony would that valuable, and so it is going to be very interested to see what emanates from this grand jury appearance. >> sadie, thank you very much. and thanks for bringing us that reporting. joining me now is former chief of the department of justice's counter-intelligence section, david laufman, thanks for being with us as always. as a person with expertise that i certainly don't have, tell me how you read this article. >> i think sadie's reporting is really important. i think it demonstrates that d.o.j. is all in, in uncovering all of the relevant facts that they will need to take into consideration in determining whether to charge the former president. including whether there are any litigation risks that should militate for counsel against charging him. i don't think there is any reason to believe that any documents actually were declassified but at the same

time, kash patel has publicly said he knows what trump said to him about it, and the department is going to unpack every which way from sunday what donald trump told kash patel about classified documents, including the movement of classified documents to mar-a-lago, the concealment of classified documents there, and what mr. pa tell may know about that. possible obstruction. you know, this witness is important. important enough to grant him use immunity which is not hand the out like candy at the department of justice. >> when they ask him these questions with about what donald trump said about classified documents, what could donald trump have said that would matter to the d.o.j.? what will they be looking for? >> statements that attribute knowledge on mr. trump's part to the shipment of classified documents. unlawfully to mar-a-lago. the willful retention of classified documents there.

which is an element of the offense the department would have to prove in order to charge unlawful retention under the espionage act. any staples mr. trump made to kash patel manifesting knowledge that classified documents were there. mr. patel may have observed the former president handling documents there. mr. patel may possess information about what mr. trump's valet saw or did or experienced and enable the department to put more pressure on the valet to be cooperative, and these two other offenses that were referenced in the search warrant, obstruction of justice which is an aggregating factor for deciding whether to charge under the espionage act, and concealment which carries a penalty from being precluded from holding federal office and mr. patel may have probative contemporaneous knowledge of that. so i think it there is reason to believe that the department will learn things that are useful to its investigation and its ultimate charge. >> giving somebody immunity in

order to get them to testify -- >> i it kel you from my own experience in approving immunity there has to be a belief that what the witness has to offer compelling and important and intrinsic to propelling the case forward and granting immunity from using any staples, weighs in favor, granting immunity. it doesn't mean by the way that the department is precluded, you know, from ever ever charging mr. patel. it knows what it already knows about mr. patel and if it independently obtains information that's incriminating as to mr. patel, it can move forward on the basis of that, it simply can't use anything he says against him in this interview. >> you mentioned the valet. here is another piece of reporting from the times. prosecutors have indicated they are skeptical of the level of cooperation they've gotten from

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respect to classified documents if he was given directions to move documents particularly after the grand jury subpoena, for documents with classified markings, all of that is important for the department to learn. it sounds like the department believes it has a potentially prosecutable case against mr. notta already for either false statements or obstruction of justice. so i think if they can learn something from mr. patel that puts additional pressure on him to come forward and cooperate, that is going to be important. >> thank you as always. we will go to north korea in a moment, or talk about north korea in a moment. no one is going there. they launched another barrage of missiles, with emergency alerts in neighboring countries, including south korea. what warning signs prompted the heightened level of alarm? and what is dragging latino voters away from the democratic party? we will have the latest reporting. reporting. this week is your chance to try any subway footlong for free. like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free.

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at the same time they made huge gains with college educated white voters, democrats started suffering huge losses with another key demographic, hispanic voters, there are 62 million hispanic people in this

country, a giant voting block that democrats once thought was a lock. what happened? joining me now is the atlantic staff writer tim alberta, his latest piece is aptly titled "why democrats are losing hispanic voters," so tim, i'm going to ask you why, and first i will read a little bit from the top of your piece and this is where you're talking to a couple of hopeful democratic latino voters in arizona, about what has happened in that state, and they say, our community, we may not -- this is what they're told, our community, we may not be educated at the highest levels but bee have a lot of street smarts, you know what they say to democrats now, i can't say it on television. but is' a bunch of bs. so tim, why do they suddenly think that democrats are full of bs? >> you know, katy, i think the key is, it's not that they're suddenly convinced that democrats are full of bs, i think that this has been many years in the making.

what i think is causing a lot of hispanic democrats, particularly at the local officeholder level, folks, you know, in positions of power, you know, at the county level, township level, mayors, sheriffs, that sort of thing, what is really driving them at this point to speak out about this is that they feel like they have been taken for a ride, and that there had been promises made over a period of many years, and multiple administrations, that just have not been delivered on. and although they are in many cases no closer to, you know, becoming republicans, it's not like they're suddenly defects, what they're reflecting is a certain apathy and exasperation what is setting in, in their communities where a lot of the voters who have been so critical to elevating the democratic coalition in recent years, and delivering barack obama to the president, delivering joe biden the president in 2020, are now sort of tuning out at best, or

they are in fact defecting to republicans at worse, and it just feels like in this election cycle in particular, katy, that it is a perfect storm that democrats have taken their eye off the ball on the economy, that a lot of these voters already felt taken for granted by the party, and due it a whole host of other factors, this is suddenly shaping up to be a sort of a stars aligning election for republicans, where they have the potential to win an historic number of these voters. >> what are the promises that were made, that they say were not kept? >> yeah, i mean first and foremost, almost everyone will bring up immigration. they'll talk about the fact that when barack obama ran for president in 2008, that there were explicit promises made to reform the immigration system, and that in his first two years in office, when they had a super majority in the senate and when they had a big majority in the house, that democrats close to pursue other things, that they did not in fact pursue

comprehensive immigration reform. if you go a bit further than that, when there was this massive struggle in washington over immigration reform, and when there was a sizable bipartisan majority in the senate, that got a bill passed and it went over to the house side, republicans justifiably took a lot of the blame for tanking that bill on the house side. but there were a lot of democrats, particularly a lot of latino democrats, at the time, who sort of whispered about some bad faith efforts on the democratic side, and sort of perhaps sabotaging some of the efforts behind the scenes, because that there is sort of a cynical play here, and at least in the eyes of some of these latino democrats, who believe that frankly, leadership in the democratic party hasn't been keen to solve this problem, that they view this problem of an unsolved immigration crisis at the border as politically advantageous for them, in mobilizing their base, and sort of painting republicans as racist and xenophobes and hate

mongers and the rest and again some of this is perfectly justified but there is a lot of feeling among the latino leadership for years that it has been politically convenient for the democratic party and not something they would necessarily want to let go of. >> there was a feeling, in 2016 when i was on the trial and i think it permeated sense, how could a latino voter vote for a republican when they're cast this way, among democrats saying this, how could they vote for a republican when we believe republicans, democrats say, are you as you said racist and xenophobic and led by a guy donald trump who announced his campaign on the lines of i'm running because mexicans are crossing the border and they're rapist, and so hard line on the border in xenophobic way, how

could they possibly support the republican party? what issues dos it come down to? >> this is where it is really interesting and i did a lot of the same reporting in 2016, i receipt cover story about it at the time, how trump was doing potentially generations worth of damage in the republican brand in the eyes of this ascend ant voting block, that the fastest-growing share of voters in the united states. what is interesting now is, and i quote some people to this effect in the piece, that came out today, you have a lot of latino democrats who do not view trump or the republican party any differently than they did four years ago. it's not like the republican party has suddenly done some masterful rehabilitation of its image and that people suddenly view the party as less antagonistic, less xenophobic, less hostile to them, and what it is they essentially set it to the side and what one of the gentlemen in the piece told me, and said listen, a lot of voters are saying these republicans, they're racist, they don't like me, and they are actively

opposed to my even being here, but they're a lot better on the economy and at least they're talking about the issues that matter to me and my family, and so maybe i'm willing to vote for these guys, even though i think they're actively racist. and what's fascinating, is once a voter is able to compartmentalize to that degree and really separate those two things in their minds, all bets are off. >> it is a really interesting article. we only touched on a portion of it is but it is obviously, as all of your articles are, deeply reported and a lot of layers out there. it is worth reading for anybody who is out there and interested. thank you very much. coming up, with the polls in new york narrowing, what is governor kathy hochul doing to get voters to come out for her? some big names tonight. first up though, rising tensions, who north korea is blaming for their record number of ballistic missile launches.

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japan issued evacuation warnings this morning after north korea fired six more missiles today, one of them an intercontinental ballistic missile. south korea warned residents to take shelter. this is after the north fired 20 missiles yesterday and last night. a record. joining me now from seoul, south korea is nbc's raf sanchez. so any idea what kim jong-un is trying to accomplish? >> reporter: it's a good question, katy, that intelligence officials in the united states, here in south korea, are asking, and the very short term answer is these missile tests are happening at the same time that the u.s. and south korea are holding these very large scale joint military exercises here. hundreds of aircraft, thousands of troops, the north koreans very strongly object to these exercises, so it does look like the timing of these missile tests is to do with that, the

bigger picture is kim jong-un over the last year or so, has taken a much harder line on nuclear issues, and to remember, donald trump and kim jong-un at the infamous meetings back in 2018, but ahead of those meetings into 2021, kim jong-un actually paused nuclear tests and he really scaled back his missile tests, both u.s. and south korean intelligence are now saying the north koreans could be preparing to carry out another nuclear test, basically any day now, katy, which would be an enormous escalation, to be their first test since 2017. and one of the real concerns is that this flurry of missile activity is basically about getting the world's attention ahead of that nuclear test. now the north koreans have carried out the nuclear tests underground, in mountains in north korea and we wouldn't see a mushroom cloud but you would see absolutely enormous readings on the seismometers if that test does happen.

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manhattan tonight, alongside hillary clinton, and campaigning for kathy hochul. and a get out the vote rally for her tonight in manhattan. hochul is in a very tight race with lee zeldin now just within single digits of lee zeldin which is a big deal here in new york, where we're used to seeing democrats run away with its sort of campaign and talking about crime, kathy hochul calls it a scare tactic and what she told w nbc's melissa russo about it. >> you said during the debate that lee zeld en is trying to scare voters. does that mean that you think he is exaggerating the crime problem? >> i think he is trying to scare voters and not offer legitimate plans and you can't be tough on crime and say that and be soft on guns. >> you often pivot to that point but just wondering you're saying he is creating a worse impression of crime than what actually is. >> no, what i'm saying is he doesn't have a serious crime

plan. >> joining me from queens is w nbc reporter who covers politics for the station. andrew, it is good to have you. so crime in the city is complicated. violent crime, murders are down, gun violence is down, and the overall crime index in new york city has increased in october, 5.9% compared with october, 2021, driven largely by an increased grand larceny across the board. so andrew, what is this, what's driving this race? is it ultimately going to come down to this discomfort that new yorkers have with what's going on around them? >> well, there's no question, katy, it's a real issue, and the mta chairman, the man in charge of the subways talks about the perception issue, that it really doesn't matter what the exact crime numbers are, if computers and new yorkers don't feel safe. and the feeling is a part of it. and lee zeldin has tapped into that emotion, and his ads have

been focused on crime, his speeches are almost exclusively focused on crime, and he has dictated the topic to the extent that that is what kathy hochul has found herself talking about, even if she would rather be talking about other issues, such as abortion. >> lee zeldin also sat down with your colleague melissa russo, and here's what he told her. >> what could you do to convince a democratic legislature to roll back their laws that kathy hochul was unable to do. >> let's just say they aren't willing to come to the table. what i expressed on day one, i will declare a crime emergency in the state of new york and suspend cashless bails and other laws. >> would that leave us with a chaos. >> there is a lot of chaos right now. >> on one hand it is is potentially a part of suspending the bail laws and leave the abortion laws completely intact. >> i will not change the abortion law, no. >> any of the abortion laws?

>> no, and i can't. >> what if that changed? >> i will not, and i cannot. >> so if republicans took over the state house in albany, you would not attempt to change the state's abortion laws. >> i have pledged that i will not change new york's abortion law. >> and so katy, a lot of what lee zeldin said there is going to be determined by turnout. whether traditional democrats turn out on election day itself, and modest turnout across early voting, it is so overwhelming for democrats, two to one statewide and five to one in the city, and if there is a normal turnout pattern it is going to be hard for lee zeld ton make up the gap regardless of whether he is focused on crime or any other topic. >> andrew, thank you very much for joining us today. from a beautiful look at the east river. that is going to do it for me, hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. ext. ears in the d?

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