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headquarters in new york city. donald trump ready to run for president for a third time, but is the country ready? before we start debating what it means for 2024, what does it mean for the midterms now less than 100 hours away. plus, the former head of the oath keepers, stewart rhodes, takes the stand in his own defense. what he said about the 2020 election and his surprising take on the right-wing militia he founded more than a decade ago. overnight, we got word that a treatment for rsv has now been approved but not in time for what's predicted to be a terrible winter here in the u.s. so lots to get to, but we start with the news that will no doubt mark a new chapter in the political life of this country and could escalate the stakes in what has already been a wildly unpredictable and stunningly close midterm race.

nbc news has confirmed that donald trump is expected to officially announce his third run for president later this month. it's something he's teased relentlessly on the campaign trail, including just last night in iowa. >> i ran twice. i won twice. and now in order to make our country successful and safe and glorious, i will very, very, very probably do it again, okay? very, very, very probably. get ready, that's all i'm telling you very soon. get ready. [ cheers and applause ] >> that's a tease. nothing is official yet. but it would have a significant domino effect on who runs, on fund-raising, on democratic thinking. but before we get to that, let's not lose sight of what's right in front of us. because we are in an olympic-level sprint to the finish in the midterms. roughly a dozen senate and governor's races still too close to call and the biggest names in politics, president biden,

barack obama and trump as well are all on the political trenches in the coming days. all three of them, by the way, heading to where dasha burns is in pennsylvania. kristen welker, matthew dowd, founder of controversy over party and an msnbc political analyst, symone sanders townsend. kristen, talk me through exactly what you've learned from your sources about donald trump's plans. >> reporter: you underscored that this would be a political bombshell. but two sources familiar with donald trump's thinking, it is likely what he will make what he's been teasing official sometime this month, likely after the midterms, of course, just a few days away now. and if you talk to those who have been involved in the discussions about this, they say, look, nothing has been

officially nailed down, yet, no date, no plans. but you can expect the typical rollout that you would expect to see after an announcement after this magnitude. but, chris, i have to caveat this. i covered former president trump when he was in the white house and dates, ideas, policies were floated as trial balloons and then former president trump would make a determination about how it was received publicly and whether he actually wanted to go through with something. i would anticipate this would be similar. however, you heard him say it himself, very soon, very, very, very probably, all but announcing that he's going to get into the race yet again. the timing of this could, of course, slide, of course we have to see what happens on tuesday. because republicans seem to have the momentum right now. but if that doesn't bear out, if there are surprises, could that impact or shift his thinking, potentially. and so we caveat all of this by stressing that he hasn't made a final decision yet.

this is what the expectation is. and, again, the expectation is that it will happen this month. in fact, one start who is close to the former president telling nbc news that mr. trump is ready to go and that the senator would be shocked if he doesn't go through with it, that he definitely is going to run. those are the stakes and, obviously, just talking about this will have implications ahead of next tuesday, chris. >> the stakes are extraordinary. kristen, thank you so much for your great reporting. matt, with both biden and trump on the campaign trail, there's no ambiguity about the choice for voters now or in 2024. so as an example, i want to play what they said just yesterday. >> you saw what happened to paul pelosi in the effort to get to -- get to nancy. guess what? what do they call these guys? what is trump and all of these trumpies call it? he said they're patriots. no, no, no, no, no.

not a joke. these a patriots. >> i've been treated so unfairly, what the hell difference does it make at this point? your favorite president -- you're favorite president -- excuse me, to all those young people. your favorite president got screwed. [ cheers and applause ] >> that's what happened. >> matt, as if we didn't know, let's remind folks, he never conceded. are we seeing with that essentially a preview of what could happen for 2024? has the presidential campaign for all intents and purposes already started? >> well, for donald trump, it seems like the presidential campaign has never stopped since he came down the escalator in the course of the season, and never stopped making an argument that he won both times, that is the ultimate delusion, but that's donald trump in the course of this. i think it could be a preview. i also think there's just as

much possibility that both donald trump and joe biden aren't the nominees in in the course of this. there's a lot of time and as kristen setup, what happens in the midterm is a huge determinant. less to do with what donald trump does and more to do if republicans feel there's a vulnerability. if a bunch of pro-trump candidates lose, which is definitely a possibility, i think it creates a lane for a republican who says, i'm not one of those maga -- full maga people in this. if we do nominate donald trump or another one, we're going to lose just like we did yesterday after election day. a lot of tales to be told. i'm not fully convinced that both donald trump and joe biden will be the republican/democratic nominees. >> either one? >> i think there is a -- as much a possibility that the ballot in 2024 contains -- doesn't contain either one as it does to contain both of them.

>> all right. simone? >> you want me to answer? >> sure, go ahead. >> i've spoken to my former colleagues at the white house, folks that i worked with on the campaign trail and until -- president biden is going to run for re-election. joe biden has been running for president longer than i've been alive. 32 years. he first ran for president in '88. you don't wage three campaigns for president, finally win, vaccinate america, record investments in climate, student debt relief, all of these things, slash the deficit, record job growth and you take your ball and go home because a couple people say you're too old to run for president. there were 20 individuals on the race in the ballot in the 2020 contest. president biden beat them all out to become the democratic nominee. i think folks really should -- history tells us a little bit here and we got some recent

hurt. i think you have to watch what he is saying and what he is saying is that he's running. >> let's talk -- >> he intends to run. >> but especially if trump runs, right? >> i think that does bolster, yeah. >> let's talk about the influence of trump which continues. there are plenty of folks running on the republican side who are not saying that they're going to accept the results of the election or i'll accept it if i win, right? i want to play what ron johnson had to say. take a listen. >> do you commit to accepting the results of tuesday's election. >> i hope i can. but i can't predict what the democrats might have planned. >> it depends on what you see? >> it has to. let's see how this plays out. i can't predict what they may try and do to cheat. >> can't predict. you just were in wisconsin, you talked to folks on the ground, including his opponent, what did you hear? >> i spoke to the current lieutenant governor for senate mandela barnes and he had lots to say about ron johnson, but also republicans in the state of wisconsin. i want to play a clip for you

all right now. >> in some of these rallies, we've had republicans show up who are tired and frustrated with ron johnson, who are just -- the larger -- the larger scene, you know, the national scene. they feel like their party has devolved into an antidemocratic establishment, antidemocratic party, the antidemocracy. and they're not comfortable with it. >> a key tenet of our democracy are free, fair and open elections. and you heard barnes talk about people in the state, feel like this devolution into antidemocracy, not being able to answer a simple question that our colleague shaq brewster asked, will you accept the elections on tuesday from ron johnson, i think that's part of what's going into folks' calculations. we'll see what happens on tuesday. >> we will see. between now and tuesday if presidents and former presidents can move voters, it's going to happen in pennsylvania. as i said, trump, biden, obama, all are going to be there. i wonder what it's like on the

ground among voters, are they excited, are they looking for answers still, or they want this all to be over. >> reporter: well, in a race that is this razor thin, a small gust of wind could tip the balance here. it's possible that these big names coming to the state, biden, obama, trump, could make a difference. of course when you go to these rallies, these candidate events and both oz and fetterman had big rallies last night, of course the voters are enthusiastic. when you talk to your average voter that's trying to pay the bills more than they're trying to pay attention to politics, they are ready for this to be over. and it will be a question of how much influence these big names have. but one name that might be potentially even more familiar to americans than biden, obama, trump, oprah winfrey. he stepped into the fray here

endorsing john fetterman. and oprah is largely credited with launching the career of dr. oz. we'll see what that means voters here. we did get the first response from the oz campaign here at nbc last night. oz telling us that dr. oz loves oprah and respects the fact that they have different politics. he believes he needs -- we need more balance and less extremism in washington. and oz very much has tried to tack to the middle, especially over the last few weeks. with trump coming to the state this weekend, he'll be on stage with both trump and mastriano who is seen as more far right, more extreme. it will be interesting to see if that event helps or hurts oz with some of those more moderate republican voters chris. >> i know we say this all the time, it's like a basic tenet of politics, but what all three of these big name politicians need to do is fire up their team

supporters. >> we're in an election -- >> that's absolutely right -- >> i haven't seen in my lifetime, this is an election where there's no red wave and there's no blue wave and there's anybody's guess. there's cross currents across the board in all of this. it's my guess over 120 million people will vote in this election which could set a new election overcoming 2018. and only a couple hundred thousand votes in total will determine the house, the senate and the key statewides. we have not seen a race that we didn't have definite winds blowing one way or the other. >> there's something looking forward that i'm wondering about, simone, and one is, when you look at the election deniers who want to potentially deny the results of their own election, we already know that because in some of these places, there's going to be a runoff, tuesday is not going -- >> georgia. >> most notably. tuesday is not going to be the

end of it, period, right, beyond that, if donald trump announces this month, we're looking at two solid years of a presidential campaign -- >> it's too early, chris. >> what does this mean for the country, that combination of things? >> one, i think it's -- and i mean, dasha who has been out there on the ground, you were just in cleveland, you know. in talking to people, they are most concerned about the things they can see right in front of them. the cost at the grocery store, gas prices, how they're children are doing in school, how they can put money on the table. i think that people are very lis illusioned with our politics right now. people are tired of the ads. people in pennsylvania and wisconsin, they're ready for the election to be over so the ads can go away. if former president trump decides to announce this year or this month, we're in for a very long slog of more ads, more -- sorry to say it, vitriol, more potential threats.

the temperature is already hot in this country and i do not expect donald trump to take it down. i would say this to matt's point, people have to vote. it is going to be so close, every vote matters in this election. the people do have the power. anybody who is out there making productions about who is going to do, not going to do well, the poll that matters the most is on election day. i hope people understand the power they have in this election. >> thank you so much. you're going to show much more -- >> i got more on the show on saturday and sunday this weekend from wisconsin. i talk to some organizers in -- who are organizing black communities in milwaukee. i spoke with governor evers. he has interesting things to say about the state legislature and i spoke to state legislators and young professionals. >> we'll watch that. dasha burns, thank you, matthew dowd you're going to stick around. i want to bring in chris murphy. so much to talk about, senator. can i get your reaction to the breaking news. if donald trump announces in a

matter of weeks, how does it change the game for 2024 or does it impact 2022? does it impact what happens on tuesday? >> i'm not sure how much of an impact it has, donald trump is the leader of the republican party. every single candidate running for senate in targeted races around the country only become the nominee with his endorsement. they promised to install him in power after the 2024 election, regardless of whether he wins or loses. donald trump is on the ballot. he was on the ballot before this news today. he's on the ballot tomorrow. i just don't think there's any way for republicans to run from the fact that their party has become effectively a cult of personality. their party doesn't really have any ideas any longer. it pledges allegiance to mr. trump and they follow his sort of daily directions. that was true before he was likely running for president and if he announces for president, it will be true afterwards.

>> it seems -- i don't know, a week ago, we were worried about how elon musk might impact the 2022 election and since then you have what are looking like mass layoffs there, advertisers pulling out, and people may not know this, but a saudi company has a $2 billion stake in twitter. what's your level of concern about twitter generally as it is right now? >> so i'm a pretty reliable user of twitter. i'm one of the few senators that does my own twitter account. it's a great way for me to communicate with my constituents. it's my daily news feed. there's a lot of things that are wrong with twitter. it elevates some of the most extreme voices. but i wanted to remain a place where we can have a political debate and a political dialogue. and, you know, my issue is not necessarily with elon musk. it's this saudi contribution. the saudis have been an investor in the past. but they essentially partnered with musk to make the sale more

affordable for him and they're not investing in twitter for the same reason elon musk is. they're investing in twitter because they want to be able to track political dissidence. they want to repress speech that is hostile to the regime. i think it's time to ask ourselves as a country whether we want foreign countries, foreign countries that are often adversarial to the united states own or have large stakes in our applications. the chinese government has access to our kids' information, is messaging to our children and many adults as well on tiktok. i think it's a bigger conversation we have to have as a country. >> i also have a little bit of breaking news, senator. we're hearing for the first time directly from nancy pelosi since the attack on her husband. she spoke virtually to a group of supporters and i want to read to you what she said.

it's with a grateful heart that i thank you for being here, coming together this morning. usually we talk on wednesday, but paul came home yesterday. that enables me to be home with all of you. it's going to be a long haul, but he will be well and it's just so tragic how that happened. but nonetheless we have to be optimistic, he's surrounded by family. so that's a wonderful thing. it is a wonderful thing that he's been able to come home. he does have a long recovery we're told. but i want to ask you about the attack. a lot of security questions have been raised. do you think congress needs to look into what happened? what's the level of concern you and other lawmakers have right now for your personal safety? >> there's no doubt there is an increased level of threat against all members of congress. this is superconcerning for me. i've got two young kids. both of them are in the public school system. i have no interest in having a 24/7 security detail around me

and my family, but it is important for us to understand the risk is elevated today. when you see in some of the most serious political leaders on the right either excusing the attack against nancy pelosi or cheering it on or laughing at it, it frankly just elevates the risk for the rest of us. it's pretty sick that people like marjorie taylor greene or kari lake seem to delight in making jokes about the attack or trying to excuse it or explain it away. that just makes the rest of us even more in jeopardy of violence and i would just wish republicans could say simply there's no room for violence. they should denounce the attack on nancy pelosi and stop with the extra political editorial. >> i don't want to get into any personal security issues that could come compromise anything nor do i want to ask you too personal a question. but are you and your family

reconsidering what you need to do, whether you need more security? are you having those conversations? >> yes. my wife and i had the conversation last night about what -- investments we need to make in our house to make sure that our kids are safe, that we're safe. i work on some pretty hot political issues. i've been leading the conversation around tightening the nation's gun laws and that often means that i get some pretty unhinged people contacting our office. not with as many threats of violence that you might think, but often with rhetoric that, you know, leaves me oncerned about our safety. yes, we're all having conversations about what we can do to protect ourselves. what the right is doing right now, explaining away the attack, blaming paul pelosi for the attack, getting crowds to, you know, cheer for the attack,

that's just so outside of the political mainstream and i hope that, you know, voters are paying attention to this really dangerous radical turn that the republican party has made. we should be aligned on one simple thing, there's no room for violence in american politics. whether it's january 6th or the attack on paul pelosi, there's way too many republicans that are excusing or endorsing violence inside our politics today. >> senator chris murphy, thank you for your time today. good to talk to you. coming up, oath keepers founder stewart rhodes takes the stand in his own defense. we are live outside the courthouse with the latest. and former president trump has only hours to turn over subpoenaed documents to the january 6th committee. all that plus the millions being spent on local school board races. the effects these battles are having in the classroom and potentially on future presidential elections. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. s" onlonc s that just don't smell clean?

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prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. ryan, typically i think a defendant testifies either against legal advice because they're overly confident that they can convince a jury, or when their case is so weak, they probably have nothing to lose. what's happening here? >> reporter: overly confident has been a phrase that has been used to describe stewart rhodes before. he's really hamming it up in there. it was pretty jovial when he took the stand. you can see he's turning to the jurors and speaking directly to them. he's a little bit self-deprecating at certain points. he apologized for speaking too quickly. he made some crack about how antifa is usually skinny little white kids. he emphasized that he wanted to get away from the idea that the oath keepers was a racist organization. i talked a lot about this one individual who goes by whip, michael green who is a part of the organization, he talked

about how they had assisted black lives matter protests before and he said repeated that his own mother is half mexican and he's proud of that part of his heritage. he's distancing himself from the idea that the oath keepers is a racist organization. ultimately, i think with the amount of evidence that prosecutors have in this case, especially with the tapes that they have of stewart rhodes on -- after the january 6th attack talking about the how he wished they had rifles, talking about wanting to hang nancy pelosi from a lamp post. it's going to be tough for jurors to scare that with the person they saw on the stand. he was tearful when he talked about september 11th and was talking about how nice it was after september 11th how the whole country came together and now a man who is facing charges of seditious conspiracy for trying to overthrow the u.s. government on january 6th. >> what do you make of that as a strategy? you're being charged with

conspiracy and you're acting jovial. could that win some jurors over? >> absolutely not, chris. i tried a bunch of cases in front of d.c. juries and i don't think they're having this kind of performance from stewart rhodes. especially with the evidence that he incited violence. i mean, he's charged with trying to violently overthrow the government of the united states. so that's not the kind of thing that you can defend with charm. even if he had it, which he apparently does not. >> how do you cross-examine someone like that? >> you just let him keep digging himself into a bigger hole. prosecutors in cross-examination are able to ask leading questions. when he talks, he gets himself in trouble. that's why defendants in cases like this typically don't take the stand. this is a gold mine for prosecutors. >> ryan reilly, paul butler, thank you both.

really appreciate it. and we also have breaking news in another case, a brooklyn jury has found donald trump's close friend and former fund raiser tom barrack not guilty of lying to the fbi. they alleged that barrack illegally provided officials of the united arab emirates to access to the 2016 campaign. and the brooklyn nets have suspended superstar kyrie irving in definitely for a minimum of five games, calling him unfit to be associated with his team. it all started when he tweeted a link to what the nba commissioner said was deeply offensive anti-semitic material but would not apologize. he issued an apology after last night's suspension and the anti-defamation league says he still has work to do declining his $500,000 donation.

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for the first time since the nation's rsv crisis began, we've learned a 6-year-old from michigan has died from the virus. hospitals across the country as you probably know are being pushed to their breaking points. 27 states and the district of columbia have fewer than a quarter of their pediatric beds even available. >> we are seeing more kids hospitalized right now than we have in recent years for rsv. >> and some good news, the eu gave the go ahead to a medicine to protect kids from rsv but the drugmaker says it will submit it for approval in the u.s. ahead of next year's season. i want to begin with dr. vin gupta. you know, you're a parent.

parents here, children are getting this in huge numbers and being hospitalized. a child, a 6-year-old child from michigan has died. all these hospitals overcapacity. how bad is it? what are you seeing? >> chris, good afternoon, what i'm seeing in our pediatric hospitals is that they are overwhelmed. e.d.s are boarding kiddos in their ers because general medicine wards, pediatric icus are overfilling. one of the reasons why, chris, is that we just don't have a lot of pediatric beds whether they're icu or general pediatric beds. there's 0.1 the level of pediatric icu beds versus adult icu beds. what are we seeing? we're seeing parents worrying

about whether or not they're going to have access to therapy, if they come down with rsv, will they have durable medical access? that's a crisis now happening in many parts of the country right now? >> can i stop you right there, i understand one of the treatments is in short supply, right? >> amox sillen, it can treat conditions like rsv. it can treat an ear infection or upper respiratory infection, strep throat, for example. so we're having a multiple supply chain crises, big problem here, which is why i'll say a lot of parents come to me, a lot of my patients say what is the difference between all of these respiratory viruses. rsv, if you have a kid less than 2 years of age, you might hear them have respiratory wheezing, when they're breathing out. high-pitched wheezing. if you have flu, this is associated with high fevers,

total body aches. we're experienced this at some point in our life. covid, on the other hand, can be a combination of gi problems, brain fog, total body fatigue. that's how you can tell this apart because frankly if you don't have an at-home test that can sense for these viruses right now at the same time. >> we're seeing the case numbers that we shouldn't see for months, typically, right and since the u.s. won't have the treatment until next season, what do january and february look like to you and is it just kids who should worry, parents of kids? >> well, because of all these viruses, we are worried that come -- only 60% of adult americans, for example, are protected, we think, going into the winter season from covid. 40% are vulnerable. we've talked about rsv in kiddos, especially young kiddos. we don't have a vaccine ready

right now. we don't have that therapy that's been approved. there's a lot of vulnerabilities right now. i'm worried about january and february. key point for all the parents out there that are tired of getting their kids vaccinated or have vaccine fatigue. it's important to note if you get your kid vaccinated against the flu, vital to get them vaccinated against the flu, one of the potential benefits is that the flu vaccine bolsters your antiviral defenses in the lungs. it could afford some benefits against fighting off rsv. multiple reasons to get the annual vaccines for your kids, one of which is -- and might promote broader antiviral defenses, protect them against rsv to a certain degree. >> doctor, always good to have you on the program. thank you. and coming up, better than predicted, what today's jobs report means for you and for the overall economy. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. olay hyc body lotion

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right now, we just got an important piece of new data that gets to the heart of if inflation is heading down. this is the latest jobs report numbers. they show employers added 261,000 jobs in october. let's bring in business and data reporter brian cheung. look at you standing at the board. one economist said our economy is going from white hot to red hot, which neither of those things do a lot of americans feel, but what do we learn from this jobs number? >> what we know is that the labor market is hot. that is a fair way of describing it and we see it as highlighted by the numbers in october. 261,000 jobs added in the month of october. but it's not all good news when you take a look at this number right here. 3.7%. that was the unemployment rate in october which was up from the 3.5% that we saw in the month of september. but, again, we are adding jobs

in this economy. the question is, where are we adding jobs. these are the industries, leisure and hospitality, bars and restaurants adding jobs, manufacturing, but take a look at this, this is interesting. health care up by about 53,000 in the month of october. this has been a particularly ravaged industry with a lot of nurses feeling burnt out and having left the industry during the pandemic. but even though the jobs picture looks good, it's inflation that's bearing down on americans. and we get a little bit of commentary on inflation from this. average hourly earnings, how much are americans making and we saw it ticked down from 5% in september to 4.7% in the month of october. so by and large, it's still above prepandemic paces of wage increases, but still much lower than the 8% inflation that we're seeing. a big reason why americans are thinking about the economy and inflation as they head to the midterm polls. >> what does it mean in terms of inflation? i'm wrapping all of this together. the job numbers, what the fed

did. people want to know what are all of these indicators telling us about when some of these prices might ease, the things that i pay for every day. >> you can make the argument from having gone from 5% to 4.7% might tell you this is starting but that's not a noticeable change. it's not that we want to see earnings to go down. if it's happening in an vurmt where prices are going up by 8%, there's the talking point that, well, if american employers are paying americans more, they're going to pass those costs onto consumers and this creates this feedback loop that contributes to the high inflation that we're seeing. so if this starts to go down, maybe that tells us the inflationary pressures will go down hopefully at a faster pace. it's not happening right now. by and large, at least people still have jobs. again, as the fed hikes interest rates, if the american economy slows down, maybe that picture starts to turn. >> have a great weekend. thanks for coming by. millions of dollars being pumped into partisan school board races.

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surprised to learn that their children are being asked at such young ages which pronoun they would like to use? >> example, name and date and now pronoun name and date in kinder garn? >> the group is saying what is a basic parental right, access to what their children learn. >> you're promoting things that certain people do not want to support or introduce somebody at a certain age, the woke ideology, the hypocrisy is rich. >> for the high schoolteachers in south florida's broward county, the reality is quite different. >> are teachers even talking about sexual orientation and you know, gender identity in classrooms? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> it's not a topic that you talk about. we teach students. >> and yet it's become so high profile. why do you think that is? >> politics. >> it sells. >> among zigler's powerful allies, florida's governor ron desantis. >> we believe in education, not

indoctrination. >> desantis has personally endorsed 30 school board candidates this election cycle, including zigler. 19 have already won, and six more are competing in a runoff tuesday. unprecedented amounts of money are also pouring in from conservative pacs, the 1776 project has spent nearly $3 million according to fec filings across the u.s. >> republicans are beginning to realize more so than democrats that their base of support is expandible. >> dr. robert stein is a professor of political science at rice university. >> if they're able to do it in school board races and i've seen it here in texas, is build a bench and what makes a good candidate is someone who has run for office, has won and raised money. >> whatever the topic of contention may be, there's little doubt the strategy is working. >> it's a playbook that you see in states other than florida. >> you think republicans are winning from that playbook right now? >> they're killing it. they're absolutely killing it.

what are we talking about? we're here because of that. >> and with respect to that well-funded pac, the 1776 project, they have sponsored by far the most candidates here in florida, almost 50, but nationally, chris, we're talking about roughly 125 school board candidates, if you go to their website and see how many have won, it is about 75%, and from more context right now, the six runoff conditions, backed by desantis here in florida, if they win, on tuesday, that means it is going to be about 83% success rate, and this is making a difference, and only intensifying right now the scrutiny over school boards. chris, back to you. >> extraordinary numbers. sam brock, thank you for that report. i want to bring back matthew dowd, an msnbc political analyst. look, when you start at what would be considered entry level political elective position, whether it's school board, or city council, and maybe that goes to mayor, and maybe mayor, you run for the state legislature, which now people

know has, state legislatures have a lot of power and from there, maybe you try to run for governor, or maybe from there, you try to run for congress. as you watch what is happening right now, on that level, like we've never seen, millions of dollars, matthew, what does it pour, portend? >> i think two big things. first the farm team for politics starts out in seats like this and you build a farm team at the small local level and that farm team goes to the majors when they run for high profile offices. so that's one part of it. the other part of this is these people have a substantive job to do. many of them, they get to decide what's the curriculum at the school, as was laid out. many of them can sort of decide what teachers do and what their, how they teach their classes. all of that is part of it. so there is a substantive issue with it. and then there's this farm team issue of it. i know from my own personal experience, i live in a small town in texas, and last year,

three candidates like this came out of nowhere, no one had heard of them, no one knew who they were, they were heavily funded, all three won to the school board in the election. heavily supported by the republican party, and the republican leaders in this. so the republicans have done, in this group of right wing folks, have done an incredible sort of coordinated consistent effort in this, building this over the last three or four years, and i think the democrats and the progressives and anybody that actually believes in true education has been slow to catch up to what's going on. >> do you think that's true in some of the other, i know for example i've covered legislate ive races in off-election years, the democrats roundly complained to me that the republicans have been ahead of the curve on this for a long time. do you think that's right? >> i think that's totally right. as you know, i've worked on both sides of the aisle, and so i've watched this, this is what happened in 2010, republicans concentrated on the local races, state rep races, state senate

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