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i'm katy tur. millions have voted. 34 million to be exact. billions with a "b" have been spent on ads. candidates in just about every potential plate of their potential constituents, and with four days to go, who is gettable, and trying to flip the switch in a last minute undecided voter's head. what about a celebrity endorsement? oprah winfrey just got behind the pennsylvania senate candidate john fetterman, instead of mehmet oz, a regular guest on her old talk show and she inserted herself into the dead heat race and if she lived there, she would have voted fetterman quote for many reasons. and more than just another celebrity endorsement, a pointed and personal snap, from the woman who basically gave dr. oz a thing, who gave him the platform and the face recognition and he has been

running his whole campaign off of, how much of the oprah seal of approval actually have? back in 2008 it was estimated her endorsement of barack obama in the democratic presidential primary generated one million votes. what about former political superstars? they may not personally be on the ballot but midterm elections always lead back to the incumbent president. that's what makes this election season all the more interesting because this year, the two former presidents who you are looking at who both lost control of the house while in office, are giving their parties closing messages. barack obama has been firing up voters in a multiswing tour, while donald trump is racing through florida, iowa, ohio, and pennsylvania, all before tuesday. the question is who if any of them has more juice with the undecided? or the unenthusiastics. you know, those remaining voters who just don't know.

joining me now from lucerne county pennsylvania, is nbc's dasha burns. i will start with you before we go anywhere else. what are you hearing there in pennsylvania? what about this oprah endorsement for fetterman? >> well, look, we've got a lot of names coming to the state this weekend. we've got biden, obama, and trump here, here's something for their candidates but i think there is maybe one name that americans are more familiar with than those three, and that is oprah winfrey. and fetterman last night responded to that endorsement, saying that oprah, i'm sorry about that, saying that he is just incredibly honored to have this endorsement, that she is an icon, and he was also on the view earlier today, again, talking about the importance of an endorsement like that, and with dr. oz, first to nbc news, and his campaign told us that -- oh, my goodness --

>> you know, you lose your place in your phone, it happens all the time and i know you've been covering this nonstop and sometimes things just go blank. so oprah endorsed fetterman, and this is potentially a big deal, i mean a million votes, they believe, she got for president obama, in 2008, and again 2008 was a different time, she was at the height of her popularity, or one of the heights of her popularity back then, a lot has changed, in the political atmosphere since then. what else, dasha? >> well, look, the candidates are both making it their closing arguments right now, and you're right, a lot has changed and this race is just so razor thin, that look, a small gust of wind could tip the balance here, and oz has been focusing on moderating his tone and try to appeal to those folks in the middle but this weekend, he's going to be at a rally with both trump and doug mastriano who a lot of republican voters say is

too far to the right, is too extreme, so whether that big rally is going to help or hurt him is a serious question here. and i want you to take a listen to just some of the closing arguments these candidates made last night. take a listen. >> whether it is the minimum wage, whether it is protecting abortion rights, as well as having the hands-on kind of experience fighting crime as well. so that's really our argument here. because somebody that has, really, if you have never had any experience of actually living in pennsylvania, understanding pennsylvania, how can you ever effectively fight for pennsylvania? >> i'm not a politician. i'm a heart surgeon. and heart surgeons fix big problems. like a broken heart. and we do it by working in teams. we unify. because we're stronger together than divided. like we are as a people. like we are as a people.

and i want to re-balance, bring balance back into this occasion and make sure the extreme ideas of john fetterman aren't there. >> reporter: you hear oz there again trying to focus on balance, on being moderate, but again, trump, mastriano, not necessarily the names that scream moderate and actually moderate republican voters here in pennsylvania, and fetterman focused again on the economy, and on the abortion issue that democrats still hope will drifbl voters out here, katy. >> dasha burns, thank you very much. let's go to north carolina where we finds nbc's antonia hilton and also blaine alexander from marietta, georgia, with us as well. antonia, i'll begin with you. north carolina is not a state we've covered so much on the show but the race for senate there is incredibly close. >> reporter: yes, katy, i've been telling people to not sleep on the race and when it comes to ted budd and sherry beasley, while budd is a little bit ahead of beasley right now, this is a

race of unknown factors and a state with more unaffiliated voters than voters who identify as republican or democrat. a lot of voters new to the state and moving to suburbs outside of the big cities and whose voting records we don't know a ton about. and when i talk to voters, it consistently falls in these two camp, people worried about the economy and inflation and people worried about the state of our country, and democracy and civility, and then also abortion rights, as dasha just mentioned. i just spent some time at one of these events, she and her opponent budd are in the western part of the state in more rural communities talking to people about their concerns. take a listen to some of the republicans i met at a beasley event. >> what do you think are the biggest issues in our country right now? >> he file like inflation and the problems at the border. >> which candidates, which party do you think is the best at handling those issues right now? >> i voted for republicans. i feel like we need a big change, all of it, right now. >> what are people feeling in

this county when it comes to the cost of living, and inflation? >> bad. really bad. >> food price, the price of gas, our credit cards are maxed up, me and my wife have limited income, and sometimes would very to choose where we have to go and what we have to buy, we have to limit certain things, things for the kids are tough to do, some of their activities, we make it work but it's tough. >> which party do you trust will handle the economy better? >> the republican party. >> you know, it was interesting to me, that of course, voting for republicans down the ballot, but he came to a beasley event to hear what she had to say, and you know, to engage with some of the other voters who were there, and said he wanted his kids to see democracy in action. both of these candidates are spending the last couple of days of this race right now making their closing arguments. for budd, it is about the economy and trying to take a turn away from the biden agenda, and for beasley, it's about a sort of rage of issues that feel very existential to some of the voters i'm talking about.

when it comes to voting rights and when it comes to abortion access, and you know, health care, is another issue that she loves to talk about, but she's kind of taking an interesting strategy here, where she is spending a lot of time in counties that are not as friendly to her, that was a very republican county there, and she's trying to reach the voters there, who might be interested in hearing her message, and drive up some of the rural vote. that's something that democrats really don't do in this state, they usually stay in the urban areas and just want to drive up their voters there, but she is doing something unusual here and i call attention to, that because that is some of the unknown here, that it could play a role. if she can get some of these rural voters to come out and support her, we could find some surprises when it comes to tuesday. >> we will see. antonia, remember, i will remember always to listen to you when you say don't sleep on a race. you've been down there. you've been watching it. >> blayne talk to me about what you're hearing from voters in georgia. that state is smashing early turnout records. >> we just got some more record-breaking numbers today. more than 2.2 million ballots

have been cast. that's in person and absentee ballots and that's more than what we saw back in 2018 for the entire early voting period. so yes, we're talking about record-breaking numbers here, for gubernatorial race, here in the state of georgia, for midterm race, and in georgia, and i want to tell you what i've heard from voters, what is really interesting, katy, is that every voter that i've spoken to here at this location in cobb county has told me a different issue, that's at top of mind for them, when they go to cast their ballot this year and that is really notable because of where we are. cobb county, suburb of atlanta and a place that was once red and took to blue in 2020 for president biden, but it is a place where both stacey abrams and governor brian kemp see as a path to victory and kind of crucial when it comes to capturing the suburbs, and the so-called swing voters in trying to win on tuesday. so i got a pretty good cross-reference of voters that i spoke to, some cast their ballots this morning for abrams and others for kemp and here is a little bit of what they told me. take a look.

>> i just support women's rights and that is a big factor, in my decision making. >> and who you vote for? >> yes. >> who you are voting for? >> stacey abrams. i'm not a fan of someone telling me what i can and cannot do with my own body. >> if there is one issue that stands out to you, as top of mind when you choose your candidates? >> inflation. cost of everything what is rising. you go to the grocery store, it costs me almost double what it cost me about a year ago. so that's the top. my top concern right now. >> i tell you, this is my number one fear of shooting in my kid's schools, every time i think about it, i live on fear. >> when you think about that, does that drive who you select for governor? >> yes. >> you mind telling me who you supported? >> so there you heard, one voter for governor brian kemp, two for

stacey abrams, and kind of a ping pong back and forth, just as we've been at this location and others throughout the early voting period. and talk about the numbers, 2.2 million people who have cast their ballot, that is just over one-fourth of georgia's 8 million registered voters or so. so we're talking about a quarter of the electorate that has cast their ballot and both the governor and stacey abrams will tell you that's not enough. and crisscrossing the state in their respective bus tours trying to drive numbers up and get people to come out on tuesday. with stacey abrams, her sto team has told me part of her strategy is not to just look at the numbers but specifically different counties and what the turnout is looking like and if there are any counties where the turnout is lagging, in their words, they will send abrams there, send her there to talk to voters and try to drum up the enthusiasm and get them out on tuesday. one final note to make is the latest polling in georgia, the latest poll shows that governor kemp is leading stacey abrams by 6 points and what is interesting

in following the candidates, they have both been consistent in telling their supporters, do not listen to polls, for very different reasons, for stacey abrams, she says it is not a good representation of exactly who is coming out, it only shows a sliver of the electorate and she says there are a lot of people who aren't represented by polls and were turning out to the ballot and for governor brian kemp, he is saying he doesn't want supporters to get comfortable and he has been saying we're ten points behind and push through election day. >> blayne alexander, antonia hilton, thank you very much. and joining me now from capitol hill is punch bowl news co-founder and msnbc political contributor jake sherman. so jake, a lot is going on right now across the country, there's these last-minute sprints, and there's talk behind the scenes about how democrats are going to do, and there's also some talk from nancy pelosi today, for the first time we've heard from her, in a while, and you got a hold of what she is telling a group of supporters, and what is? >> she is still confident, katy,

despite all of the bad data that democrats are getting, have been getting. i mean all of the election prognosticators in the last couple of days have upped their estimates, and many of them are saying that democrats could lose between 15 and 30 seats in the house of representatives. remember, they just need to net six. so of the 35 seats in play, republicans need to net six to get control. she seems to say, and she said this to us, and to you guys, and to everybody who will listen, that she believes, based on her being out around the country the last couple of weeks, or last couple of months, obviously the last couple of weeks she has been with her husband in california but she thinks that democrats have an advantage on the issues. one other interesting thing she said, she said i want to talk about this issue that republicans are calling inflation. and she's long been frustrated, and she told me the last time we spoke in person before that attack on her lubd, she said she's frustrated by the fact that inflation is a global phenomenon, and she thinks democrats have not done a good enough job explaining that.

she said we need to do a better job explaining that. so she believes the democrats have done a good job on inflation, on combatting inflation, obviously, republicans don't believe that is the case, but she still is saying, democrats will win the house. >> all right, what about this talk about the delays in counting the vote, jake? i mean it is going to take a few days for pennsylvania to count the vote, with all of the mail-in ballots that they have, and again, the republicans won't allow the vote to be counted any day before election day, so there's naturally going to be a delay. there's a lot of other states that are like this as well. how is that delay going to throw things up in the air? >> well, a couple of dynamics at play, number one, in pennsylvania, they can't count mail ballots until 7:00 the morning of election day. as you noted correctly. it is a republican policy, a policy where republicans put in place, but then you have california, where california is expected to take a long time, and then even more so, in georgia, where this could go into a runoff election that is not going to decided until the

beginning of december so that's kind of the outer limits of when we'll know the true power dynamics in washington. but there is a chance, katy, that you could know just from a state like new york, a state like nevada, what will happen in the house of representatives, and that's not far off the state, and virginia, there are enough seats that will be in relatively early, virginia is a big early bellwether, and if republicans take the majority, come tuesday. >> you know, jake, that's a great tease for a story we've got a little bit later on in the hour, a couple of races to watch here, and you'll be bringing us the story. stay tuned. one more question, if the power changes in washington, if republicans suddenly control the house and the senate, we talked a lot about big policy changes that we can expect, or at least a lot of gridlock, what about ukraine? we're giving so much money to ukraine, and is that still going to be a priority for a republican congress? >> massive problem that can't be

overstated. and can't be talked about enough. for the biden administration. marjorie taylor greene, who is on the extreme end of the conference, it doesn't represent at this point anybody but herself and maybe a few of her friends said no more money to ukraine. we know that's not the case. kevin mccarthy is not going to appropriate zero dollars for ukraine. but it is going to be a much higher hurdle for the biden administration. it is going to deeply divide house republicans, and senate republicans, by the way, tom cotton put out an op-ed that said ukraine money will keep flowing but one thing to watch is the biden administration going to give $60 billion a full year of funding to the ukrainians in december? >> jake sherman, thank you very much. and still ahead, elon musk is firing thousands of twitter employees. what he told all of the staffers, even the ones who were just laid off not to do today. and what the d.o.j. might have to do, if the president runs for office? the former president runs for office again. first though, what will donald trump do?

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today is the deadline for former president trump to turn over documents to the january 6th select committee. the committee voted to subpoena donald trump at the last televised hearing and they asked for records go as far back as september 2020 including handwritten notes and electronic messages, photos, videos and call logs. we have still yet to see if donald trump will comply. liz cheney, the vice chair says he is obligated to do so. cheney says, quote, this is not a situation where the committee is going to put itself at the mercy of donald trump in terms of his efforts to create a circus. joining me from capitol hill, nbc's garrett haake. she says he's got an obligation.

he is obliged to do it. he can't create a circus. but they don't have charging power if he refuses to comply. >> yes, the obligation is kind of like if you feel obligated to attend a dinner party. i mean technically there is a legal obligation here, and there is a potential penalty, he could be held in contempt, like we saw with steve bannon but that was a process that took the better part of this past year, and that's time the january 6th committee does not have. it is a special select committee and it turns into a pumpkin after this new congress takes office next year and a republican-controlled congress that likely goes away entirely for good. so time is of the essence here for the committee and there dl are tools to compel donald trump to turn over these documents or to testify, and they are limited. now cheney has said there's been some engagement with trump's attorneys on handing over documents presumably, or on, negotiating his testimony. the committee has been very clear. they're not going to negotiate in public, they don't even want the process of figuring out how

he might come forward to be a very public facing thing. they want to try to have a professional manner to conduct the negotiations thus far and not turn into a tv event before he even gets in the room. >> garrett haake, thank you very much. and the justice department is considering appointing a special council, yes, another special council, if donald trump decides to run for president again, according to new reporting, in "the new york times," which cites multiple people familiar with the matter. nbc news has not confirmed the reporting on this special council, but we are today reporting that donald trump could announce a run for president this month. still, the times ad, the d.o.j. hopes to decide on possible charges against the former president before the campaign for president, the next one, 2024, begins in earnest. the d.o.j. has multiple investigations into donald trump, and what was his role in the january 6th insurrection and the efforts to overturn the election, and also, what was he

doing with government documents at mar-a-lago? joining me is msnbc legal analyst lisa ruben. how would a special council work in this situation? >> the special counsel would be appointed by the attorney general. and would essentially, as the "the times" alluded to, run a pop-up situation, where the special counsel has all of the powers essentially of all of the 94 u.s. attorneys around the country, full prosecutorial powers. one of the things that has people like me scratching our heads however is as you noted if the department is trying to figure out whether it has charges against former president trump and in a records investigation now, how did that work? if it were to hand this off to a special counsel? and are they merely considering it so they can say that they gave it full and due consideration, and proceed on their own? or is this a sign that this is something they're taking very seriously and they really are dedicated to moving forward with

alacrity internally. >> what happens if they do decide to charge him in the middle of a presidential election? >> i think it is anyone's guess what happens. obviously, we're in unchartered waters there if they charge him in the middle of a presidential election. i will say it is highly unusual for someone to declare as early as president trump appears to be contemplating, declaring his candidacy, and there is a push/pull, as you see, between what president trump understands the department of justice to be working through, and his own plans, and november 14th, which is the day on which he's rumored to declare, is not coincidentally the same day on which he owes his testimony to the january 6th committee. so there's a little bit of trolling that might be going on here, both sides, but i think trump has made the calculus that if he is a candidate, he can certainly argue to the american people that he's being pursued unfairly, and unjustly, and not

because he actually engaged in the criminal conduct that i and others believe he did. >> it is early to declare but we get a sense of who is running right about after the midterms. so that's not so unusual. but the official declaration, you're right. >> so if they charge him, when you're talking about the documents case, isn't that a little bit more straightforward? is that a world where they could say midterms are over on wednesday, we're going to charge him on thursday? midterms are over tuesday, we're going to charge him wednesday? >> i don't know it happen quite that quickly because there are still a few witnesses that we know the department is interested in hearing from. the valet who was seen reportedly on the surveillance tapes in mar-a-lago for example moving boxes and he has talked to the fbi twice and his story hasn't always been consistent and we understand the fbi would like to speak to him again and a

couple of other witnesses in that situation. do i think however that in this time period, between the midterms and when the next congress takes effect, we could see charges, absolutely, and the fact that the department heard from kash patel on the second go-around yesterday, after the new order, should tell you how rapidly they're moving relative to the pace of a normal investigation. >> lisa, thank you very much. coming up, what a new stronger than expected jobs report might change about the democrats' closing message in the midterms. >> but after the break, what a pair of virginia house races, we teased it with jake sherman, we will tell you about it more, what these house races could tell us about what to expect on tuesday.

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love that election music. once safe democratic senate seat is now expected an unexpected challenge from a republican newcomer, washington senator patty murray, you know her, she is running for her sixth term, she has been there a wrong time, but right now, she is facing off against tiffany smiley, who has gained in the polls, and in an otherwise reliably blue state. both candidates are locked in a statistical tie, just four days

before the election. joining me now from seattle, yes, seattle, is nbc's steve patterson. what's happening? >> reporter: yes, look, i mean you said it. you know patty murray, and i think people who know patty murray and love patty murray in this state, they really love senator patty murray. i mean she's been here forever. like you said. she's gotten bills passed. she's gotten budges approved. she's ended gridlocks. passed a lot of laws. people know her and they like her but the problem is that could be the problem to people who love her, because i think there is this sense of complacency for some voters here in washington state, that she has been here for so long that she has survived so many elections, that she seems almost inevitable, so the same energy level that you feel with her campaign is much different than smiley's campaign, who is a person that is, excuse me, who is a person that has had a lot of energy, barn storming the state. the same age that murray was,

the same you know, time she ran for office, in 1992, 41 years old, with a lot of the same sort of changing things messages, and so she's able to talk a lot about some of the same republican talking points and point to murray as this political insider. so i spoke to independent voters that are really the target here, because it isn't the people who love patty murray, it isn't the people who love tiffany smiley, and it is the suburban independents that will make the difference in a race that is this close. i spoke to them about what they feel like the issues are. here's what they told me. >> whoever i feel is going to be able to actually solve the problem, especially with homelessness, it is one of the major crises in our city right now, it doesn't matter otherwise. >> what you are most concerned about with this election? >> well, right now, it's the economy. and i realize that no one person can change the price of groceries and the price of everything that you buy out

there, but i think the root cause stars with gasoline. >> reporter: so the economy, homelessness, gas, big issues, but more to the point here, this is of course a deeply blue state, so climate change is a big issue, access to health care is a big issue, and democracy itself is on the ballot, that's how people really feel, and those issues in speaking to the senator, as i did yesterday, she believes those are the issues that are core and key to her, those are the issues that she's been fighting for her whole life and she is very confident that she will be able to do what she's done, in several, several times before, which is be that inevitable senator, and win this election. but again, the polls are tied, the fundraising is enormous, this is a tie race, there is some anxiety here in seattle and across washington state. >> she's not just a senator. she is second in charge to chuck schumer. so certainly a big deal. thank you very much. and on election night, keep a keen eye on virginia. there are two house races in that state that could predict where control of congress is headed. one of them is congressman

elaine luria's race against republican jen kiggens. and the other one, abigail spanberger's race against the republican yesli vega, ali vitali joins me from coral gable, florida, believe it or not, with more on these contests on virginia. we will ignore you're in florida and i will allow you to talk about virginia. >> reporter: yes, katy, it is midterm season, we go everywhere, the road warriors take us all over the road. in virginia, the reason we're watching it, some of the most expensive house races on the map and some of the most consistent polling over the last year and what voters there say something about virginia, yes, but what if we see the rest of the night nationally in the house races across the country? look what we found. >> every single voter this year. >> tight races. and then there are those

nail-biting races in virginia. >> is that news to you? >> democratic congresswoman elaine luria, against fellow navy veteran. >> it is a race, all eyes are on virginia. just like they were last year. >> the 2021 virginia governor's race may have marked the beginning of the red wave, republicans are hoping for now. >> virginia, we won this state. >> and come tuesday, what happens in the commonwealth could be a bellwether for the rest of the country. >> and an early indicator with democrats on the front lines are holding fast, or if the red wave is here. >> they want change, and they want something different, from their representative and that's exactly what we're talking about. >> in suburban and rural virginia vega is challenging abigail spanberger. >> you always won in races that are considered tight. >> in the 2018 and 2020 races are closer wins thatten luria captured the national attention. but voters here have been surprising washington for years

like eric cantor in the 2020 primary. >> looking at how the district goes back and forth, there are a lot of points along the way where it is watched. >> those in both districts look at national polling priorities. >> the economy and the inflation. >> the main thing for me right now is abortion. >> my constitution is under attack. that's number one. >> i think for me, it's about voting rights. >> the economy. >> in luria's district where veterans make up a large swath of the electorate, her work on the january 6th committee could be a central focus. >> people say thank you for the work you're doing on the january 6th committee. >> not according to kiggans. >> we never hear any complaints about january 6th. the economy, the economy, the economy. >> how do you feel about the work that luria did on the january 6th committee. >> it wasn't an insurrection and

it is atrocious what she has done. >> absolutely ridiculous. >> it may be the people on the ballot, not the politics that could win the day. >> are those two races bellwether? >> sure, they'll tell you something about what is going on and it will take a while on election night to see the full picture, so yes, i'm watching those races. >> reporter: we know sean patrick maloney is watching the races and kevin mccarthy the top republican is watching the races, so much so, he will be spending night monday night, election eve after traveling around the country in the district where kiggans campaigning against elaine luria and all signs are optimistic that the republicans will win but the polls are tight. >> spanberger is in one of the most interesting districts there are out there. ali vitali, thank you very much. and enjoy the weather in florida. forget for people who are running for control of the state

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twitter email, after that, you're safe and one on your personal email, you're gone. nbc news obtained that email, it reads in part, we recognize that this will impact a number of individuals who have made valuable contributions to twitter, but this action is unfortunately necessary to ensure the company's success moving forward. in response, members of the twitter staff have filed a class action lawsuit against the company for failing to give a 60 day warning of mass layoffs. insider columnist linette lopez joins us now. >> twitter doesn't make any money so he won't be able to pay their salaries and he has a billion in cash to pay to the people who helped him buy twitter, so he's got to find some kind of revenue stream somehow, and he's looking it seems like under the couch cushions and everything to see how much money he can get, charging the real twitter addicts $8 for some kind of verification, and any money that he can find, elon musk is going to try to get it. >> does he know what he's doing?

>> i don't think so. and i think it would be wrong to assume that he goes in there, knowing exactly what he does all the time. he has screwed up at tesla several times already, almost bringing the company to bankruptcy, like the time he tried to completely automate all of the tesla factories, thinking he could make a car without any humans at all and it turned out to be a huge disaster and he lost billions of dollars. >> let's talk about twitter without that many employees, maybe 7,000 employees that he could be firing, is that the right number? >> there are about 7500 there, so not quite that many. >> firing 3,000. >> how do you maintain the infrastructure of twitter? how do you maintain security on twitter? had has already been a bit wonky. >> i'm not sure of the human rights block chain team has been fired. i talked to an old facebook executive about this exact thing. you know all of these old websites are run on old code and my source told me that looking at old code, he accidentally deleted a piece of code that

made facebook $50 million a year. by accident. and you know, these old websites are kinds of like an old vending machine in your office where you have to kick it just the right way to get a snickers bar to come out and if you don't know where to kick it, you're not going to get your snickers bar. so the question is, can you run twitter on 3,000 people? and do those 3,000 people know exactly where to put, you know, what code, what code is right and what code is wrong. i don't know? elon allegedly had these tests and print out code and that's not how you check code or do anything of this. >> more than anything, we've been talking about the code and free speech on twitter but it is a political animal. and why would elon musk want something that can hurt his business or threaten his business overseas, going to china, and china says you can't have free speech on this site, we don't want it here, or we're going to punish you with tesla, we're not going to make it here any longer and sell it here. same thing in india. it feels like it is not the best business move for elon musk to

be in the business of having to regulate speech, or not regulate speech. >> yes, i mean i would have to be thinking for elon musk, or like elon musk, to answer that question. what i do know is that he thinks that the twitter that he sees is the twitter that everyone else sees. so the box that we're like elon, you're great, we love you, yadda, yadda, he thinks those are real people and those who are criticizing him, he thinks those are bots. when it comes to china, the chinese government owns the land that the tesla factory is sitting on, so that is a real, real issue, if he does things that are, that anger xi jingping, it's a problem. >> i don't know what goes on inside that guy's head but i do know that twitter might just collapse and break down, because the staff is not there. >> wow. pay $8 if it doesn't collapse? >> no. >> but i can't wait to see what the fake news has to say. >> linette lopez, thank you very much. coming up next, the political power, where it really lies in wisconsin.

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in a statistical tie and the polls has been locked like that for months but even if evers secures another term next week, it might not matter because as the nims reports wisconsin republicans are on the verge of winning a total veto proof majority and it could render him essentially powerless. >> this comes down to gerrymanders, there was a case that correct me if i'm wrong went to the supreme court about wisconsin gerrymandering, and they did nothing about it, right? >> right. you know, it was once an evenly divided state but the legs lartd is not evenly divided at all. part of that is gerrymandering and part of that is the concentration of voters, democratic voters are packed into southeastern wisconsin and the madison area so it is very difficult to draw these lines, but this has been a trend that

we've seen since 2010, where republicans have been in control of both houses of the legislature for the entire time, and look to be poised to increase that majority. >> so these smaller races, which could deliver republicans the super majority, what is it going to mean to have a super majority in wisconsin? >> well, you know, obviously, a lot of it depends on who wins the governor's race. you know, the governor still has tremendous sway here, but if in fact they're able to overcome any of his vetoes, it means essentially he is going to be a lame duck, even if he gets re-elected, the republicans will be able to pass whatever budget they want, whatever legislation they want, and everything from tax policy, to criminal justice reform, to abortion rights, and republicans would be in charge. and given the track record in the past, i think that you could expect that they would rather aggressively use that power. >> so the republicans have said

that they're going to bring back all 146 bills that tony ever has vetoed since his term in office, school funding, mitigation efforts, policing, abortion, the state gun laws, and democrats, are they pouring any money into these races? are they competitive at all? i guess they're not competitive because it has been gerrymandered but what are you seeing from the other side? >> they're very aware of it and it is something that the state democratic party has been emphasizing, this specific issue of not letting the republicans get a veto proof majority, so they have been targeting this. but once again, you know, we have so much attention on the u.s. senate race here in wisconsin, and this race, these are the most expensive races we've ever had, and they will be decided by a handful of votes, so yes, the states couldn't be any, the stakes couldn't be any higher and the level of

political division in wisconsin has been intense as i well know, since 2010, and i think it's going to be, you know, we'll ramp up, whatever the results are. >> you know, we're talking about the governor's race, but we're also looking at mandela barnes and ron johnson, and that video there, for the senate race, which is also pretty close. what's your sense of how things are going with that race for senate? >> well, again, these polls are very, very close. you know, and in wisconsin, it would not be unusual for these races to be decided by 15,000, 20,000 votes, but in this particular case, i think you would have to give johnson the advantage, the incumbenciy, they have been just pounding the airways, on the issue of crime and immigration and inflation, as they have elsewhere in the country. and obviously, there's been a lot of negative campaigning here. so i would say that at the moment, johnson would have to have the edge, which is of course ironic given the fact that he was, i think, arguably the most vulnerable incumbent

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