folks, we want people and floated to make sure that they go out and vote and make sure they check their status and do what they need to do. >> yeah, and we should note that one of the first cases has already had the charges dropped, of the 20 plus. talking to legal experts, i suspect that will not be the last of those because these are pretty partisan. john legend, who's in atlanta, i will hit the doors tomorrow. hopefully, someone is recording and open the door and john legend is there. thank you so much for making time for us tonight, i appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. i could see, helena, hi miles. >> all right, we will. that is all in for this week. alex wagner tonight starts right now, good evening, alex. t good evening, chris, thank you as always. thank you for joining us this hour. you know when you had to write it as a preschool and i had to be a certain number of pages? so you'd bump up the font size and make the margins a quarter inch bigger on both sides.

i'm not saying i did that, but maybe i did. the republicans today took that trick, that high school trick, and they took it to its logical extreme. >> new this morning, house republicans on the judiciary committee released a 1000-page roadmap detailing allegations of political bias in the fbi and department of justice under president biden. >> this is a preview of what a gop majority may uncover from daily administration at the midterm. >> i know what you are thinking, it doesn't pages, they must really have some damning evidence there. but no, this is the high school big margins trick times doesn't. literally. as the washington post puts it today, the report itself is less than 50 pages. so what's in there? it's more than 700 pages of already public letters and those are mainly just dozens of duplicates of the same two letters. and then there are about 300 pages of just signatures.

talking points memo characterizes the report as nothing more than a who's who of fox news flavored grievances and conspiracy theories. but those grievances and conspiracy theories are not just fuller. they are in fact a preview of what republican majority will do if it controls congress. if republicans retake the house on tuesday, one of the authors of this 1000-page -- congressman jim jordan will be the chairman of the house judiciary committee, and jim jordan will not just put up more reports based on filler on fox news, he will launch actual investigations based on filler and fox news. this quote on quote report today is targeting the fbi and the department of justice, which of course, are the agencies investigating president trump for taking hundreds of classified documents with him to mar-a-lago when he left the white house and for his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election leading to the violent attack on the capitol. so now republicans are gearing up to sling mud and cast out on those investigations because there's investigations are

about to come to a head, imminently, like in the next couple weeks. that's the current thinking because yesterday, longtime trump loyalists kash patel testify to a federal grand jury in the mar-a-lago documents gunnery investigation after his compelled to do so in exchange for immunity. but tell has asserted without evidence that he personally witnessed president trump the classifying all those documents. so patel's that the money essential to the investigation, and we now know that patel was asked questions about that specific claim about the classification. he was also asked why trump took classified documents to mar-a-lago in the first place, a question that we were all very much like to know the answer to. and that is on top of the news that the fbi has been trying to get more information from two other trump aides involved in storing the documents at's beach club. and a very senior high-level prosecutor has been brought on to help with the government's case in all of this.

as for the doj january six investigation, we know that the department has already spoken with multiple high-level aides and has also issued over 40 subpoenas to trump allies and sees the phones of some of them. does investigations are very much a live issue. they are full steam ahead. now, as a rule, the department of justice does not take over public actions against political figures that run up to elections, but after tuesday, the gloves are off. the new york times now reports that the department of justice hopes to reach a decision on whether to bring charges against former president trump before the 2024 presidential campaign heats up. and he has held discussions about possibly appointing a special counsel to oversee a potential prosecution of the former president. which makes this group today by the very well sourced and jonathan swan exodus, it's why it makes such a big deal. swan reports that president trump was thinking about watching his presidential

campaign in today's time, on november 14th. november 14th is also conveniently that day trump has been asked to testify to the january six committee of congress. speaking of which, we have breaking news tonight from the very same committee. president trump blew past today's deadline to produce documents that have been subpoenaed by the general six committee. the committee informed the former presidents counsel that he must begin producing records no later than next week. it also reminded trump that he remains under subpoena for a deposition, deposition testimony starting on november 14th. so november 14th could be a very big day here, and it means that there might just be a six-day window between when midterm voting ends and when trump may announce another run at the presidency. whether trump will stick with that schedule remains uncertain, but trump has always seen running for president as his lifeline, get out of jail free card. the thing that could stall and complicate these investigations.

to assert the any criminal indictment is nothing but a copyrighted effort on part of democratic president joe biden to smear the presumptive republican nominee for the same office, in this case, who donald trump hopes to be. attorney general merrick garland has always known that his limited time with the investigations. republicans have made clear that they are going to make garland's life very, very complicated, should they retain congress. that has all been spot out in the 1000-page letter, and now trump camp has drawn another line in the sand, a potential presidential announcement, potentially ten days from now. so what should the department of justice do now? >> joining me now is jonathan swan, national political correspondent at axios. his sources in trump world have enabled him to publish dozens of trump religious groups. swan also won an emmy for is very memorable interview slash grilling of the former president in 2020. jonathan, thank you so much for being here, especially in this big day of news and on a friday

night. let me first ask you, how confident you are in the reporting that trump is very seriously eyeing an imminent announcement. we will pay get to a certain date because the stomach trump after all. how certain he is that he is going to throw his hat in the ring here for a presidential bid in the coming weeks? >> as soon as i can be with the caveat that it is donald trump, they are preparing for it that week of november 14th, whether it's november the 15th, november 16th, who knows. it's also as we put in this story, what happens on tuesday night matters. if republicans have a terrible night in the senate, that could affect the timing. if there's a runoff in georgia, that could affect the timing, but they are targeting that we could november 14th for the announcement, and they're looking a potentially doing it an announcement following by what has been described as multi day event, a role of

consisting of multiple political events following that initial announcement. >> when we talk about timing, you talk about the political landscape, is trump walking into a newly emboldened republican party that is aglow with the winds that they have? are there more hobbled than they expect to be after the election, et cetera, but one of the dueling -- i signaling, but there are so many investigations, but in particular, the department of justice investigation. how much of that is figuring into all this? we know merrick garland is on a clock here, and merrick garland knows he's on a clock. donald trump knows he's on the clock. how much is trump thinking about that when he makes the announcement? >> well, i have not heard this directly from donald trump, so he has not said this to me but advisers of his have told me over the past 68 months that he does see running for president as one of his best offenses against these investigations, being a live political candidate, which he has been

toying with. he keeps escalating, saying -- it's almost comical, i am very probably going to announce very time soon, et cetera. he's really been operating like a live political candidate for months now, and he does see that as a protective mechanism, obviously formalizing and announcing takes it to another level, but he's very cognizant of that i am told. >> it is worth noting that in his legal filings, trump has mentioned his potential candidacy. august 22nd, a filing requesting the special master. president donald trey trump is the clear front runner in the 2024 presidential primary, and in the 2024 general election, should he decide to run. another filing in response to the doj filing, three weeks after an unprecedented and unnecessary legally unsupported raid on the home of a former president and possible candidate gets the current chief executive in 2024. this is not something that he has been subtle about, and he will use it quite obviously should there be some kind of indictment.

who at this stage is advising him on all this, jonathan? >> when you say all this, do you mean the legal side of things are the political side? >> as the political and legal intersect, i guess all ask you to speak specifically to the political piece of this. we know a little bit about the legal team and there is a functioning in the legal team, but on the political side, who is he getting his advice from? >> yeah, his men -- one of the missing perceptions or misconceptions about donald trump is that, i often hear set in punditry, surrounded by -- are there any adult in the room? this idea that he's surrounded by clouds. it's not accurate with the political team. he's acted surrounded by -- in terms of his core political team, they're fairly seasoned. susan wild, veteran republican operatives from florida, worked for ron desantis, very experience.

24 brazil, very experienced republican poster, brian jack young, well regarded. chris loss of eta, really a heavyweight republican strategist. -- that depends what the situation, the day and a moment. his core political team, some of them are very simply establishment in their political backgrounds and not as fringy as i often see suggested in some of the commentary about them. >> i am familiar with lindsey wild, she was involved and desantis campaign for governor in 2018, among other republican campaigns. are they concerned about the sophistication's? are they taking them into consideration as they weigh a potential presidential bid? >> if they are, they would not tell the likes of me. the inner core political team is quite disciplined and that sense.

they're not running their mouth about whether they're running investigations and such. so, i actually don't know, is the truth. i know people in his wider orbit, wondering whether running for president under indictment in today's republican party, is that a bad thing? in any normal universe, it is, but the base -- donald's base is extremely energized by this fact, and they saw a bump in energy for him out of the mar-a-lago search executed by the fbi. i don't think people have a clear idea of the, whether it's going to be a plus or a minus when you're talking about republican primary voters. >> it's worth noting, as much as it could energize the voters, it's very different to be served criminal indictment when you are a sitting president then a former president. that is something that should factor somewhere into all of this. jonathan swan, national political correspondent axios, it's great scoops, thank you for your time tonight,

jonathan. >> thanks for having me. >> now i want to turn to matt miller, former chief spokesperson for the justice department during the obama administration. matt, thank you for joining us tonight. it is a strange time in the world in this, i won't call it a calm before the storm, because it's anything but calm. we are looking at a week next week that could be -- in the coming weeks in november that could be hugely consequential. merrick garland is no stranger to political reality. what do you make of -- first of all, what do you think his best options are here? there is talk of a potential special counsel appointment. do you think that is a viable option? you think that's a good option for merrick garland as he tries to navigate the current politics of all this? >> i can understand why they would consider it, because certainly, once donald trump is a declared candidate for president, there are people who will question the integrity of an attorney general of the opposing political party investigating him, if he is a declared candidate.

i think it would be unwise. the reason to do is to -- and instill public confidence. let's be honest, the people who are supporters of donald trump are going to believe that this investigation is fair no matter who is conducted. it merrick garland could appoint bill barr as special counsel, and donald trump would say it's a witch hunt against him, and the people that want to believe that are going to believe that. and it would be fine to go down that path if they were not downsized to a point, the special counsel, but i think that there are some practical and political and governance reasons not to do it. the most important is a practical one. with him running for president, they think that the justice department needs to happen top of mind is speed. they need to move quickly because, the political and legal calendar start to interact with each other in ways that really complicate and are really unhealthy. if you think about the case potentially being indicted, let's say it's indicted in the spring, indicted in the mar-a-lago case in march or april, you're looking at

probably a year until trial. so then he would be coming to trial in the spring of 2024, right in the middle of the republican primaries. if you are convicted, he would be sentenced sometime over the summer, maybe in the fall, right before the general election, if he is the nominee. then you have a bizarre scenario if he sensed the jail time, having to report to jail maybe around the time of the election or in the period between election and inauguration. it gets really complicated. what that means is that the justice department needs to move quickly, and it takes time to appoint a special counsel. it takes time to hire staff and go to the case files and the legal theories. i think it would be a mistake for a number of reasons, most importantly, the practical one, speed. >> >> so what is the utility of floating this idea that they're considering a special counsel, if it's not really a viable option, if it does not actually alleviate any of the political pressure on garland or biden for that matter? >> i suspect it might actually

be considering it. i don't know if they meant to float this. there are some good reporters reporting on the justice department that might have drag this up. they probably are wearing it, because there is an attraction to it. if you're the attorney general, you're thinking, i am going to come under all this criticism. the way i can make this decision look more fair, and i can instill public confidence in it is to make sure -- let's say i appointed a republican to be special counsel, and then people will know that i excepted a recommendation from a republican and republican appointee. it can't be questioned as unfair. but, i have to tell you, there are kind of political and governance reasons not to do it as well. the political reason, i will say, anytime a special counsel is appointed to investigate a president or in this case, a former president, it automatically becomes seen in the public eye as a match between that prosecutor and the president. think of cancer versus bill clinton or mueller versus trump. this would be the special counsel versus trump. versus if it's a u.s. attorney

and 8 to 6 -- against people all the time, then you're just having donald trump being treated like every other citizen of the united states, promptly investigated and promptly prosecute for crimes, like every other citizen. you don't have the same political target place on the special prosecutor's back -- the way donald trump placed it on thomas müller's back and mobilize the right-wing media and congress against it. -- i think it's a little different if you have career prosecutors handling this case in their normal order of business. >> that nine trump the strong -- what is your expectation in terms of a criminal indictment for mar-a-lago, given the fact that kash patel was interviewed yesterday, the sort of high priority targets if you are all, they're in the mix at this point? that, i think to the outside world, signals that this may be coming to a close. do you think mark rowan will issue an indictment this month? >> i don't know about this

month, but i think indictment is overwhelmingly likely. if you look at the facts of this case, the former president clearly had knowledge, clearly had intent, and it's a mishandling of classified information case where there is something else. there always has to be something else, i did disclosure of a number of documents, or sharing them with people who should not have them, or obstructing justice, and i think there is clear evidence that he tried to obstruct justice in this case. i think the evidence is pretty conclusive, so i suspect that once the election is over, you may not see an indictment this month but you're going to see a justice department moved to continue to call witnesses before the grand jury and maybe take some more overslept they have not taken to try to move pretty quickly to bring an indictment in this case. if not this month, i think in the very coming months because merrick garland is not unaware of this political calendar that i laid out from the beginning, how that interacts with the legal counter. he cannot be unaware of the need to move quickly in this case. and given the fact that they already gathered, i think they had the ability to move quickly. i think that's what you'll see them do. >> there is a lot coming up

this month, a lot of known unknown's. it is going to be a very interesting time to be alive. matt miller, former chief spokesperson for the justice department during the obama administration, thanks as always for making the time and sharing your wisdom with us, matt. >> thank you. >> coming up next, senator bernie sanders is in wisconsin making a closing argument for democrats ahead of an election that will have an extraordinary impact on the fundamentals of democracy and a key swing state. he joins me right after the break. plus four days before the election, elon musk is making gigantic changes on twitter, including pink slipping the staff in charge of monitoring misinformation. nbc news senior reporter ben collins joins us later this hour with exclusive new details. stay with us. with us did you know some of your detergent's fragrance disappears in the dryer? downy in-wash scent boosters survive the washer & dryer for freshness that lasts 6 times longer than detergent alone.

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certification of elections. in the end, that power grab maybe a mute point if the trump endorsed republican candidate for governor, tim michaels, if he wins on tuesday. at a campaign event this week, michael said, quote, republicans will never lose another election in wisconsin after i am elected governor. as a reminder, election day is tuesday. joining us now from madison wisconsin, where he is holding a get out the vote rally is vermont senator bernie sanders. senator sanders, thank you for making time to be here tonight. i'll get right to it. do voters that you have been talking to, do they have a sense of urgency of alarmism over the stakes and their state in particular and how it may not really effectively be a functioning representative democracy after november 8th? >> the answer is yes. well i can say is that we arrived this morning, we did rallies in eau claire, rallies in low cost, we had a nice turn

off in madison. i think here in wisconsin, which is a pivotal state, the issues are pretty clear, and that is whether to vote for the incumbent ron johnson, who actually wants to eliminate the minimum wage at a time of massive income and wealth inequality, wants to give giant tax breaks to the rich and cut social security, medicare and medicaid. the choice is clear, and i think mandela barnes has an excellent chance to win. >> i think you alluded to a bit of your closing message. there's been a lot of talk of how democrats should be framing the stakes heading into this election day. the president has been talking about that a democracy. a lot of democrats focused on abortion. what is your closing argument to the voters who spoken to and especially to young voters? >> i think it's no question that we have to vigorously defend a woman's right to control her own body. obviously, we have to be strong on call a change. we're not going to have much of

a planet to leave our kids and grandchildren, but alex, you cannot ignore the economy. 60% of our people living paycheck to paycheck, while the wealthiest people in this country are becoming far of what they're, so we need to fight for an economy and a government that works for all and not just a few. i think those are the issues that the american people here in wisconsin and around the country are responding to. why are we the only country or major country not to have health care? why haven't we raised the minimum wage to a living which? why haven't we been more aggressive in terms of childcare, making public politics and universities free? this is in fact what working families want. they're sick and tired of the rich getting richer, and are struggling to put food on the table. we gotta focus on those interests. >> senator, you're raising a lot of concerns that voters have. how aware are they are the things that this administration and democrats have done to help

the working class, whether that's student debt cancellation -- >> there are two answers. the american rescue plan, i think, was enormously consequential. i will talk about it tonight. people have forgotten that it was democrats without one republican who put forth 1400 dollar check into the pockets of every man, woman and child in this country in the midst of the work economic downturn since the great depression. it was democrats who gave veteran to dollar tax credit for parents to be able to raise their kids with dignity. we are standing -- hospitals, as you will recall, are on verge of collapse, some hospitals because of the huge influx of covid patients. we put billions into healthy hospitals, billions of -- the keep colleges and universities afloat. i think that something to be very proud of, and i think we'll remind the american people that we did with zero republican support. >> you mentioned abortion and

climate change as issues in some way separate from the economic message, but i wonder if we are missing an opportunity to frame both climate change and abortion as economic issues. certainly having control over the number of children in need to clothes and sent to school and raises an economic choice, and certainly, climate change has a direct impact on the economy. is that happening anywhere, is anyone doing the, how do we need to think about those two things differently? >> well, they are, but the issue is also abortion is an economic issue. of course, climate change, if we do not get a handle on climate change as a planet, as i planted, you will see more drought, more flooding, massive types of economic destruction, more mass migrations of people around the world can't find clean drinking water. of course, it's an economic issue. not to mention that tens of billions that will have to be spent to rebuild destroyed

communities. but right now, i think if you go out and ask people, if they're having a hard time filling up the gas tank, having a hard time putting food on the table, having a hard time paying for childcare, second is the college, those are all social issues we could not forget about. inflation, republicans talk about inflation, well it's a global issue, and most of the inflation in this country are associated with the grotesque level of corporate that we have seen, record breaking profits in the oil companies, the food companies, the pharmaceutical it issues. they are ripping off the american people. they are raising prices, we are the focus on that and hold them accountable and passive windfall profits task, which is the right thing to do. >> president biden was talking about that windfall tax earlier this week. are you getting a sense that people are connecting the dots finally on inflationary -- and corporate. i think a lot of people, honestly, up until recently,

did not fully understand what was happening in the corporate sector as it pertains to the consumer pricing. is that message and reality finally sinking in? >> i hope it is, and it really is, alex, if you step back and say, look, this is such a terrible time. we're dealing with the pandemic, a terrible war in ukraine, dealing with a breakdown of supply chains, and in the midst of all that, the ceos that make millions of dollars a year in competition, they say, what a great time to raise prices -- how disgraceful is that? i hope people are understanding why they pay for, 56 bucks for a gallon of gas, and re-invest a mobile and the other major oil companies. i have to understand that when they go to the grocery store, prices are becoming unaffordable and that has a lot to do with the degree -- food industry who are making record-breaking profits as

well. this is -- all of these issues are related, whether it's climate, women's rights, whether it's corporate, and the struggle right now is not to elect candidates like ron johnson, who literally does not believe in the concept of minimum wage. he would be okay with people working for four or five bucks in our, who wants to give a 1.7 trillion dollar tax breaks to the top one tenth of the 1% by repealing the state tax and use that money to cut social security, medicare and medicaid. tammy, the issues are quite clear. and the choices are quite clear. i hope people come out in large numbers to vote, especially young people, working people, to understand that this is the most consequential midterm election in our lifetimes. >> senator bernie sanders of vermont, live in wisconsin on the campaign trail. thank you for making some time for us tonight, senator sanders, we really appreciate it. >> thank you very much.

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the effect of, i am the effing president, take me to the capitol now, to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing, the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards mr. angle, and mr. ornado recounted the story to me, motioning to his clavicle's. we all -- >> we are member that bombshell white house testimony from cassidy hutchinson, recalling what she was told happened inside the presidents motorcade on january six, after the rally

at the ellipse, and the secret service agent who refused to take trump to the capitol to join his angry mob. trump according to account became physical. now nbc news reconfirms new reporting today from cnn that the general six committee is planning on meeting soon, as soon as next week, with a driver of the suv. the suv that according to hutchinson, trump tried to grab ahold of and right to the capital. we are also learning that the committee was expecting to sit down today with the secret service agent who was in the lead car of trump's motorcade that they. that's the car ahead of the suv that carried trump. no word yet on whether that meeting happened. the committee is apparently very interested in hearing from members of the secret service. in fact, cnn is reporting that the committee is planning to interview at least half a dozen more secret service agents in the coming weeks, including current and former officials and agents. which is in addition to the ones that they already spoken to. i wednesday, according to reports, the committee interviewed a secret service

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that's a number of election related tweet sent on election day, 2016. thinking 2018, according to twitter, the most tweeted midterm election in history. one of those tweets included this video of voters waiting in line and snellville, georgia.

one hour after the polls open. according to the user, this happened because they're one enough power courts for the voting machines. after the tweet was posted, and bc verified the information and responded that the holdup was indeed due to a lack of power courts. the machines were running on boundary power and they ran out of charge. i verified political strategist ask the user for the address of the whole site so she could report it to the naacp. and by nightfall, polling hours were extended. and how did voters waiting in georgia's long lines find this out? the naacp tweeted the breaking news that they had won their case arguing for extended voting hours. breaking, voting times will be extended by three hours into precincts. pulse will now close at 10 pm per court orders. for many americans, twitter has been the place to look on election day to keep up with what is happening in their state and across the country. it's been an essential tool for messaging and organizing. through elections and pandemics and social movements, twitter has been the virtual town

square. where we exchange information and ideas about some of our biggest challenges. which makes the massive changes that twitter's new overlord, elon musk has implemented -- what makes them so insidious. reportedly, starting monday, musk will require the 400,000 verified users on the platform to pay $8 a month to keep their blue verify check marks. but he's allowing all users to pay for a check mark to. with no plans to verify that the paying customers are who they say they are. the point of the check mark system, launched in 2009, was to address misinformation. to prevent fake accounts from impersonating real people. now it seems to be improving revenue for must new company. >> -- during a meeting and that is how that person found out that they were fired. they were one of nearly 3800

people fired in the past 24 hours as part of an everyone of must big changes to the platforms. mass layoffs affecting half of twitters workforce. here is a look at who musk has decided to get rid of. the curation team is now gone, they help guide users to reliable news sources instead of conspiracy theories. about half the company's security team is now gone. raising concerns about users privacy. the human rights team? also gone. they worked on protecting human rights, human rights advocates, journalists and citizens in places like ukraine, afghanistan if the opiate. the ethical artificial intelligence teams also gone. they were doing research on algorithmic bias. like unintentional political bias on the twitter platform. all of this happening after musk shut employees out of the -- content enforcement -- that something he did last week. musk only agreed to renew access after civil rights

leader complained about the possible spike in misinformation and hate speech. this, all of, this is the field of play in the virtual town square. days before one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. joining us now is ben collins, senior reporter covering disinformation -- ben, thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> so the timing on all of this. granted, musk just purchased the company, right? but he is aware that there is a midterm election happening. and that puts all of this in the crosshairs of so many complicating factors. do you think it is on purpose, it is in spite of that? how do you read these drastic decisions ahead of just a really, potentially fraught period in american politics? >> it's hard to know. but the ethical thing to do would be to just wait until midterms, right? and that's not what he did. he fired people for days before midterms. basically half the company for

days before midterms. and in the process of doing that, got rid of the health team, the curation team. anybody who would be able to suss out lies from facts on a platform that's about to be inundated with people impersonating other people. those people are gone. >> and at a time where we have real world election deniers running for office, trying to effectively affect the vote, policing poll station. the opportunities for misinformation to spread are so abundant it's hard to even enumerate all of them. what practically happens? the curation team is gone. how are we going to see the effects of that as twitter users? the audience? >> i think there is a different user experience for elon musk, the richest men in the world. that someone waiting in line at a polling booth. elon musk does not have to wait in line for anything. but in this case, you know,

people waiting in line at these polling booths would in fact, like you said, go to a local election officials website. maybe a county commissioners website, twitter, that would tell you where to go on what to do. you want says he's going to take down public official, public figures who have been impersonated. celebrities. things like that. how do you know that if i say i'm ben collins and i run the pennsylvania state board of commissioners or something on tuesday, how -- what team is responsible for taking down that account? with a brand-new, verified that to put you in the same spot as journalists. elon musk uses twitter for status and to hype up his own status and things like that. he views the website as a status machine. he thinks he views other people in the same way. most people do not use the website that. way most people use in a utilitarian way. to find out of an earthquake, or if something is happening down the street. >> if the polling place hours

have been extended. >> exactly. or if you type in a loud bang in your neighborhood. that is not how he uses this. he uses it as a political vehicle to get what he wants. that is putting our voting rights in danger by tuesday in a very dramatic way. it could be really bad. i'm trying not to sound hysterical here. if everyone has a verification bed on tuesday, no one has a bit verification that on tuesday. there's no official account -- we're all gonna find this out -- 's gonna be something we learned over time. hopefully not dramatically on tuesday. >> i mean, the civil rights leader had been approaching musk. they're clearly having some amount of influence. do you sense there's more of that pushback to come? do you sense that's an effective way to pressure musk, to keep in place some of the

safeguards? there aren't actually the physical bodies in the office to execute on some of this security and anti-misinformation monitoring. what is the best-case scenario for what can happen here in terms of public pressure on musk? and the stat that he has left in the office? >> so far he has doubled down on the conspiracy theorizing. that there's some sort of liberal elite trying to make it so twitter does not have advertisers anymore. there's a -- >> because they're unhappy with the change he made? >> he's doubled down on that all night long so far tonight. i think he will continue to do that. this guy made a mistake. this guy built a -- bottle webs that he couldn't afford. he's leveraging at several banks. and he tries to back at it for months, and months and months. and he couldn't do. it now he is -- with this website. maybe the best use of it for him is political revenge. >> wow. it certainly looks like that's

what is shaping up to be. it's definitely giving a platform to people who have been marginalized for spreading misinformation and hate. and we're seeing the full flowering of that dark side of american society on social media. let us all buckle up before november 8th. ben, always good to see. you thanks for your reporting on of this. senior reporter for nbc news, ben collins. good friday evening to you. okay, we have one more story ahead here tonight. i will say, it's a positive one. just four days out from the elections. stay tuned. we'll be right back. 'll be right back. 'll be right back. ivenerve relief from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. try nervivenerve relief.

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