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let's get started! the final countdown of the election day in three of the most recent presidents are all held it out on the campaign trail. in the sand by state digging into key races just days ago. we'll go one-on-one with congresswoman debbie dingell but americans worry about political violence. plus! how are the latest lose about donald trump's potential 2024 run affect the midterms? well this country compared to election deniers on -- i'll pose that question to my panel of political experts. and later, elon musk lays off thousands of twitter employees. including the ones fighting disinformation. with election day just 72 hours away, is a social media company where detail without truth from lies? the all that and more coming right up! >> all right, good morning to
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you. i am sam stein. i'm in for katie fang. thanks for starting your saturday with us. with more than 37 million votes already cast. candidates are getting ready for a big campaign events on this final weekend. before election day. almost consequential senate races in pennsylvania, where candidates are making their closing arguments to voters. >> always being there to stand up and support all this kind of core kinds of values, whether it's minimum wage. the pro-act. or whether that is protecting abortion rights. as well as having the hands of hands on kind of experienced fighting crime. it's all true. >> i believe that we can have safe communities, safe city streets. so parents don't have to buy video games to keep their kids inside. is that too? much that's good? right i believe that we can have a care order shut down. pouring into our countries,
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save our children. while illegal in immigration, from people who come here to work hard. >> pennsylvanians also the state that is home to a heated race between doug shapiro and josh mastriano. the fourth and the 46th -- will all be in presidents when -- nbc correspondent dasha burns is tracking it all from philadelphia this morning. tasha what is the latest? >> it is about to be a very busy weekend here in pennsylvania, you've got obama, biden, and trump all here on the same day. all stumping for their candidates. but a name that is perhaps even bigger than all three? own for a winfrey. getting into the fray. she endorsed john fetterman. normally, celebrity endorsements take the leave. but because she is credited with helping to launch doctor oz's career. they have known each other for many, many years. this is something that
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fetterman is totally going to be talking about in the coming days. he's already been on the view talking about. it take a listen! >> i mean, she's an icon. it's unbelievable. it's an honor, and i'm so grateful. and she understands what is at stake here in this race. and as i said, it was incredibly, incredibly honored to have her support in this race. >> oz responding to the endorsement first at nbc news that the campaign is telling us that doctor oz loves oprah, and respects the fact that they have different politics. he believes that we need more balance and less extremism in washington. and that is a message that you heard a lot from the eyes campaign over the last few weeks. really trying to push a moderate lane for himself, using more of stability and civility trying to pay fetterman as more extreme. we'll see if that works, especially with that rally where he will be on stage with trump and doug mastery ono, the republican candidate for governor who is much more extreme and who republican voters tell us is maybe a bit
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too far right for them. meanwhile, josh appear, out the democratic republican for governor this year is miles ahead in his race and democrats are hoping that perhaps him being so far ahead might help pull up the rest of the ticket and eventually help john fetterman here to. >> all right, thank you dasha, and like pennsylvania, georgia also has a highly contested race for both, senate and governor. democratic senator raphael warnock is trying to defend his seat, against republican challenger and football star, herschel walker. the republican governor, brian kemp, is in a rematch with democratic challenger and organizer, stacey abrams. the stage is wrapped up its early voting. according to the united states election prospect, two and a half million georgians have already cast their ballot. msnbc's alison barber is live in athens, georgia, covering the tight senate race. and perhaps the biggest college
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football game of this weekend. they have cast their early ballots, alison, what have you heard from them? >> yeah, you just look at these numbers as you said emerson early voting in georgia and yesterday, according to the seat secretary of state. 2.3 million georgians voted early. we think of georgia now as a political swing state. it is certainly a politically changing state but when you speak to voters. when we spoken of voters. particular senate race. people have their minds made up. listen to what we've heard. >> i think that he has changed his ways i really do. and it does not impress me a bit. it's just the same old, go with the party. i'm going with the party that i trust. you know, it's about all i knew. >> i didn't really consider herschel walker, i kind of feel like he is along the lines of personality candidate, kind of
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like the former president trump i suppose. >> republican herschel walker and incumbent senator raphael warnock are in a statistical tie, and in most polls neither one is above 50% which is a necessary threshold here in georgia to avoid a runoff in december, flip ticket voters by the way all of that stuff being said, they could be a factor here in a race this tight. small percentages matter. and in a recent post, they're about 10% of republican-leaning voters. and one aging poll said about 6% of republican voters saying that they were going to vote for incumbent governor brian kemp but then there was gonna split, and vote for senator warnock. and an additional 5% said they would vote for the libertarian senate candidates. and? >> all right. thank you. enjoy the football game as well. they're off with this project next week. a really good package there. so republicans need to flip just five seats to control the
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house, of course there is a 50/50 split right now in the senate. so basically, any change would explain power to the party that wins. just this week, them on partisan political party actually shifted its center fork as in favor of the gop but if you talk to high-profile democrats, including speaker nancy pelosi, they say that they are optimistic about tuesday so, how is this going to play out? let's bring in congresswoman debbie dingell from the all-important state of michigan to break this all down, congresswoman thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. let's talk about where democrats stand in the final stretch, both in your state of michigan and across the country. what is your read of things? how optimistic? how pessimistic are you? about how things are going to go on tuesday? w >> good morning sam, and i'm gonna say i'm a realist right now. you know about 2:16, you're one of the people that i told that donald trump in michigan, and everybody thought i was crazy.
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meeting at the polls. i think that the feel in michigan, i think our democratic candidates, we for sure will pick up the seats from grand rapids when there is a new candidate. and i think that folks in the, and are in a razor fight seat, and i think that it is breaking, and interactive, and that is about being out in the last couple of days on the ground, in multiple, multiple of them. and i'm talking to candidates across the country, there are razor set then across the country. and i think that they're just beginning to take a break, and you know, i felt that for the, when it was ranking that way and i felt it ranking in an october for sure, right now these races are just breaking. people are trying to decide. which issue do they care about the most and i think that some of the most recent activities
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are bothering people in terms of even hearing that president trump may be announcing his presidency loud and clear. and i think that it can go either way, i think even closer than people think and i don't believe that this is going to be the red wave. >> so you talk about issues, i'm in your state abortion of huge issue. but it is also literally on the ballot. it is a referendum that would codified the right to an abortion into the state constitution. that is different than other states, how much of a difference do you think that will make for reproductive rights, but also maybe in uplifting democratic candidates throughout the state that are on the ballot? >> so i'm in a say to you that i think that people who are overconfident in michigan and throughout that country, that that was the only issue that they needed to run. on and i know that there are a lot that think, women and men, that women have the right to choose and i think that is
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right up to people for the polls, but i think other issues have also come into pay and any democratic candidate is going to talk about hope i, think it's also the candidates who have screwed them and in the state it's a fortune of money for the party group opposing this ballot there's a lot of confusion on the ballot proposal and i think the ballot proposal is gonna be far tighter than many people believe that this is so i would say everybody listening your vote does make a difference and every vote is gonna matter. i think more on the proposal, which is the pro-choice ballot proposal opposing it. which is the position that i've had in all the other outcomes. so, i think, people are gonna talk about both of those issues. and people have to really think about what matters to them as they go along. >> that's fascinating, because the assumption was, after what happened in kansas, that this thing would roll easy in michigan. but that maybe not the case.
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just searching a little bit here, because this week the associated press, they publish a story about poll workers in the state of michigan. they specifically, poll workers are created by right-wing groups and republican operatives. you are secretary of state, michigan secretary of state who is a democrat, said she had concerns about the motivations of poll workers. if their motivation was fueled through misinformation. and quote, people who had been fed lies. so, talk to us a little bit about those fears and what it could mean to have more partisan leaning frontline workers handling the implementation of our elections? >> i think this is very real. we know that poll workers have been trained how to be disruptive to cause problems. i think we have republican, and democratic clerks across our state that are trying very hard to make sure that they are depicting our democracy and our vote counts. there are plans in place. law enforcement throughout that state. and the state police found the
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local law enforcement are looking to ensure that the polls are gonna be safe. and secure. that there are election challengers on both sides. you know, there are some that are being trained to be disruptive. there are elected republicans here that are gonna make sure our upper elections they honest and fair so i think that people are prepared for trouble, we expect trouble we do not believe that we will have 24 hours that have real election results. from michigan. the other thing i want to say, what we are talking about this. is there a lot of people that are trying to say to people, it is gonna be a red wave across the country. and then, when the red wave does not come, which i think is very possible. if not likely. then they're going to create election fraud. i want people to be very deliberate in understanding how people are being manipulated, what people are being thought about. and that we all, i don't care who you are. republican, democrat. democrat republican. in the republicans there a lot.
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but what we want is every vote to matter. every vote to be counted honestly. and to help support your local clerks, your local objectives. and just make sure that we have maximum persists or patient. people are safe, and that you have a right to vote. you are not intimidated from doing so. >> i hear that, let's stay safe people. congresswoman debbie dingell. thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate your insight this morning. thank you. >> coming up! coming up! donald trump is rallying like it's 2024! a warning that he could launch another white house bed within days, a political panel is here on how this week's news could shake up the midterms. plus! better than expected of jobs report. just in time for election day ... will break on the latest economic news later this hour! ews later this hour! ve their hair. which is why we made bounce pet hair and lint guard with three times the pet hair fighting ingredients. just one sheet helps remove pet hair from your clothes!
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segment. sources tell nbc news that donald trump could officially announced a 2024 presidential run sometime this month. axios is reporting that that announcement could become an insulin, as november 14th. just six days after the midterm election. trump draft a strong rally in alabama on thursday. >> and now, in order to make our country successful and safe, and glorious. i will very, very, very probably do it again. okay? get ready! that's all i'm telling you! get ready! >> get ready! let's bring in our panel, democratic pollster cylinder lake. and msnbc contributor and strategist ashley, a former republican. so linda, first to you. hello. trump has been hinting at this
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for months. seems like he's getting more serious now, could this latest news, these talks, these reports provide as our after mentioned guest provided information to democrats before the midterms. or with everything baked in honorary? >> things are not baked in. particularly for democrats. this weekend what everybody is transferring on is to get out a vote and nothing is more better than donald trump announcing for president. i wish he had announced in pennsylvania! he >> did not go that far. which was granted. but he could,, now ashley, msnbc news does not know what timing of this. trump does, as we are, where change his mind but do you think that what he decides, which he will ultimately depend on how republicans perform on tuesday. a bunch of his candidates when he could potentially arrive. ride a wave of those victories
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to take a credit for it. if he doesn't, he will turn the page by making announcement. how do you think it plays into trump's decision-making? >> i think ultimately this is his way of making the election about him. and you just pointed out a very good point. if republicans win on tuesday, i think that you will ride the momentum of that. he says that they won because of him, right? or if they lose. he will say this is why you need me, and he hates losing. so this will be interesting to see what happens. because i think as celinda lake pointed out. this will be a motivating factor for democrats who had been on the fence. some of their candidates who had been on the fence, this is going to encourage democrats to get out to vote on tuesday knowing that the trump presidency is potentially what's at stake for them in 2024. the one thing i do want to say though is even though they are not running, there are issues right now in our country because of irreparable damage that his presidency did to our
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country. we have a election deniers on the ballot, all across the country first three races. for federal races. that's a direct result of january six. and what he did to set the stage for a 2024 run. so whether or not trump is on the ballot, trumpism is. and in many candidates are molded in the image and likeness of donald trump's election cycle. so this really should be a motivating factor and a huge wake up call ahead of the election of what is at stake. moving into the presidential's in 2024. for democrats if they do not went on tuesday. >> you know the other -- >> guy had salina. go ahead. >> you know, the georgia runoff. he literally crossed republica the georgia senate seats and he could do it again. and have control of the senate. so i hope that we see -- before the georgia runoff. because that will be very motivating to democrats. and you have hundreds of thousands of republicans who didn't turn out to vote. because of a protest against
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donald trump. not democrats. republicans. >> so, just so the viewers know, the georgia runoff held pins when either candidate in the senate race gets to 50%. it will take place in this december, which we are obviously after november when trump is set to announce his run. i want to go off a little bit of that last point, celinda, which is january 6th. there are a number of investigations happening right now in the conduct of january 6th. there are also investigations into the documents that trump took to mar-a-lago. how much of this chatter around him running again, do you think is motivated by his desire to shield himself. from those investigations. and how much do you think a potential trump run would impact the prosecution, or merrick garland's thinking about this investigation? >> well, they've already probably said that it won't impact it at all. the process of an authority to add to your list. i would add the financial
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losses that are going to have. and the interfering with the election in georgia. that is going again. so, donald trump is either gonna be running for office or in jail or both. and i think that voters, democrats, for them are very motivating and democrats howard threats to our democracy. and very good, and donald trump reminds them of that every single day. democrats are looking for when does this man get arrested. they drawn their conclusions and, a lot of the independent voters. two and i just wanna see, what are they flying with people? >> and actually i just want to pick up on that point that you made about trumpism on the ballots. according to the times, the new york times, there are more than 370 republicans running for office across the country that of our either denied or questioned the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. you make the point that they
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should raise the stakes, even without trump being on the ballot himself. but if you look at a wide swath of public polling. by and large, voters, the majority at least. don't value this as a motivating voting issue. they can be more economical terms, all of them putting them ahead of protecting democracy. why do you think that it is that voters have not adopted your mantra that this is sort of the defining existential issue of the election? >> because ultimately, it comes down to whether or not you can afford your groceries, gas, and heating in your home. which are obviously issues that voters care about. but i'll flip it on his head and say, here's what i think is ultimately motivating people. right? you have the facts that whether or not you believe the election in 2020 was stolen, you are going to go out and vote because of that. right? or you're gonna go out and vote because you believe in the institution of democracy and freedom and fair election. so i would argue that democracy, either way is on the ballot.
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whether or not people know? it it is a motivating factor for voting. now, one of those is obviously very very dangerous. and it will play out on tuesday. as noted, i think, in your segment beforehand. if democrats and up winning. and republicans lose. specifically those election deniers, there will be claims of fraud. trump will use that as a continued platform. and then we should all be very very nervous about what happens in 2024. because january 6th is not that long ago. and what happened is still very fresh for many people. especially the congressional committee. and donald trump's decision to potentially announce his candidacy for president on the 14th, the day that he's supposed to be deposed? that right there shows that he believes he's untouchable. which is extremely scary for the future of democracy in our country. and that he does not even respect our subpoena issue to him for what he caused, a violent insurrection because he lost the election. >> all right, celinda, so --
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>> i think i disagree a little bit. i think voters can be worried about more than one thing at a time. and actually, we see -- of democracy currently rising among the threat of the public. so we can be worried about the price of gas, and democracy on the ballot. >> all right, thank you very much, celinda lake, and ashley. thank you for joining me. and a quick programming note, on tuesday. join msnbc for live coverage and analysis of the midterm elections. rachel maddow, joy reid, rachel, and steve kornacki. break down the elections as votes are counted. election night coverage begins tuesday, 6 pm eastern on msnbc. and streaming on peacock! and coming up! the justice department is reportedly mulling as special counsel to oversee investigations up to donald trump! if he decides to run again! legal experts are split over whether this is a good idea.
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a big debate in the legal community after it was reported that the justice department could appoint a special counsel to oversee the trump investigations, if he decides to run for president again. that's according to the new york times. and cnn which emit bc has not independently confirmed yet. they have said attorney general merrick garland should've done this months ago. delaying accountability for trump. others seeing it is good because it removes the perception that politics could be involved. the doj is conducting our wide-ranging criminal probe into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. and investigating his retention of classified documents -- let's bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal
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analyst, paul barker. paul, where do you stand on this? is a special counsel a good idea. too late? what benefits does a special counsel ad? and what downsides does it bring? >> so, it's a special counsel. not an independent council, the decision of whether to bring charges will still be merrick garland's, but garland would have to inform -- what he did. it's really about the appearance of justice. the concern is if both trump and biden run for president, it will look like the biden administration is trying to neuter his political opponents. i don't think that's actually the case. because the attorney general would make his decision about whether to prosecute trump without consulting biden anyway. >> and it's not like trump would suddenly be hands off and criticizing the special counsel, he probably would criticize whatever body was investigating him. and call it political. right? >> that is such a great point.
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the appointment of the special counsel does not insulate the investigation from being seen as political. both special counsel mueller, and then john durham who is the special counsel on the fbi's russian investigation. got criticize as conducting -- so it's not obvious that appointing a special counsel is ultimately going to satisfy people who are concerned about the politics. >> so the big question lingering over all of this is trump. does he announce, if he announces another presidential run. potentially just days from now. does that have impact on merrick garland's decision making, with respect to a special counsel? does it have an impact on how the individual prosecutors are proceeding on these various cases against trump? and i guess the third question, sorry for three, but does it give trump any actual benefits? whether it is perceived a real? >> well, running for president is not a defense to a serious
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crimes. that trump is being investigated by federal prosecutors for the violence of january 6th. and trying to overturn the election. and also that the national security documents case at mar-a-lago. so, i don't think that merrick garland would fall under that ploy of fighting for the president insulates himself. and moreover, he's also being investigated in georgia. and they seem hard on the case. and she wouldn't be influenced by those product takes on any of. them >> yeah, i guess the benefit was that he could say hey, they're targeting me because i'm running for president. but look, if our honest, he's probably always running for president. let's talk about the january six committee, they've given trump a week to provide the documents to the panel. because he did fail to meet the initial deadline, which was yesterday. but the committee is not changing the date for the trump deposition on the 14. maybe i am cynical, in this
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paul, tell me if i'm being cynical. but they don't actually expect him to comply at all? and if so? why give him an extra week. is it just window dressing? >> yeah. so. there is this treasure trove of evidence that most likely that house panel will never get. things like trump's emails, his poll logs, his communications with the oath keepers and people like spieth bannon. but what's likely to have in is the same thing that happened yesterday, nothing. so liz cheney the house is talking with trump lawyers trying to work on the detail. trump hasn't even if it said whether he will comply with the subpoena. he knows tropical strategy is delay, delay, delay. and so if the republicans take vows on tuesday. that little bit of some small strategy. because most likely, they will withdraw the subpoena when they take office in january. >> yeah, the deadline here is one that committee probably gets disbanded. and that's in early january. when the new congress takes over. final question, very quickly.
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tsai -- saying that he testified before a grand jury about the documents at mar-a-lago. his testimony, i believe, came after he was granted limited immunity. the wall street journal reports that this was also offered to other trump associates. what does this mean for trump's criminal exposure? and can we ascertain, or as a jumping the gun to ascertain that kash patel actually was cooperative, or could he have just gone in and have been uncooperative as a witness? >> according to his lawyers, kash patel is not operating with federal prosecutors. but rather, he's being forced to testify. so when a witness takes the fifth. prosecutors can give the immunity. meaning what they say cannot be used to prosecute them. and then the witness has to talk. so, patel is one of the people that trump designated to deal with the national archives. in the justice department. with regards to those
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classified documents. that he was forwarding. at mar-a-lago. and patel claimed that trump declassify those documents. i don't think prosecutors expected him to snitch. but he would have at least given him a sense of what trump's defense might be. if he's charged in the mar-a-lago investigation. >> paul butler, he did it again folks. unpacked a number of different issues. so, out so eloquently. thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up! how my dollars and cents add up at the ballot box! we're doing a deep dive into the jobs report that came out just days before the election. and comes right after the break! right after the break! ♪ music (“i swear”) plays ♪ jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was. [buzz]
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the elections, to decide the balance of power in washington. one democrat is targeting unexpected territory. north carolina senate is campaigning in trump country, she spent some of us friday talking of voters in rowan county. it's a county that trump carried by about 36 points. msnbc's antonia hamilton is on the campaign trail with both candidates and file the support. >> i spent the last couple of days on both of the senate candidates following them across the state. where republican candidate ted was -- these or territories that overwhelmingly went for trump, and are backing him. and he's talking to voters who in many cases have already
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voted for him. he's just trying to get them to get all of their friends and family possible to the polls right now. but sherrie beasley has also been in these communities, and she is trying to reach some of these rural voters who don't often hear from democrats in the state where often, democrats, frankly, they focus on the urban areas. to run their numbers up. but she is making the play that if she gets some of those rural voters. particularly, rural voter -- she will have an upset. i've had some wide ranging crown rotations of both candidates. on everything. to abortion. take a. look >> what about abortion restrictions? that's the kind of question i get. what about abortion policy or destruction would look like? that's for you. but also because the two of you will be working together? >> that's really what not north carolina's are talking about. >> really? i talked to them all the time. >> this is what democrats want, abortion at any time. for any reason. all up until the moment of birth. and they want that at the
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taxpayer expense. and that is wildly -- >> hammond's national republican allies have been spending millions of dollars against me to distort my judicial record because they know that we really can win this race. they don't spend that kind of money unless they know. and while ted is saying a bunch of things, what he has been talking about is what he's done. he's the one who's been in congress for six years. he's had every opportunity to work hard to lower costs for folks here in north carolina. which is a huge issue. >> congressman ted but has been pulling just ahead of sherry beasley. but this is a state with a lot of unknown factors. a really high proportion of unaffiliated voters. a lot of undecided folks. some of which i've talked to, still have not made up their mind just a couple days out from the election. so both candidates are not resting on their laurels and going on to 100 counties in the state trying to turn off the vote. back to you! >> meanwhile, the economy remains a top issue for voters.
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it could be good news for democrat, or bad news. the last job report, is coming in a little bit better than expected. we had 261,000 jobs, in about 60,000 more than what most economists were predicting. still, it is a mixed bag with the unemployment rate ticking up. nbc news business data reporter barnett shang takes us inside of the numbers. >> it was a busy week in the economy has we got a number of data releases showing us a picture of where we stand ahead of the key term -- midterm election next. we'll start, wednesday with the federal reserve, the nation's economic steward, announced it would be raising interest rates by point 75 percentage points. that by the way is the six consecutive interest rate hike this year in the fourth of that size and magnitude. and all of this is to try to get ahead of inflation, the idea that if borrowing costs go higher, that will make the economic activity come down to
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a level where inflation might also come down, which by the way is remaining above 8% year over year, multi decade highs. % on the job side of things, we did get an update on friday morning when the bureau of labor statistics disclose that 261,000 jobs were added in the month of october. that is a bit of a slower pace in the job gains that we saw about over 300,000 in the month of september. by and large, not all positive reports will be about the unemployment rate, for example, take after 3.7% in the month of october. compare that to 3.5% in a month prior. we did see job gains specifically in some areas, and focus on the economy. will you take a look for example at health, care of 53, 000, and also leisure and hospitality. think bars and restaurants getting 35,000 jobs in the month of october. and that shows that the inflation site is still not good, but the employment site is still good in this economy, but could that employment picture change as we heard from a number of tech companies this
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week, announcing layoffs. when you look at, lift for example, 13% of workers. -- three 14% of workers, and of course twitter after elon musk took over the company to get private, the amount that twitter was going to lay off about half of their workers, those layoffs beginning on friday. it's a lot of concerns about whether the tech side of things could change the overall employment picture, we will have to seat in the november jobs report, but a lot of data and a lot of stories coming from the economy this week ahead of that critical midterm election on tuesday. back to you. >> brian chong, thank you so much, coming up, we will talk about what, or the twitter workers stand between disinformation millions of users that just got fired. plus, more chaos for the social media company and you are elon musk said that could have some real consequences for our democracy, in the coming weeks. that is coming up next. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity & gum
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not wasting any time making major changes to the platform, which is, in turn, raising big concerns out of the midterms. with the social media giant laying off sizeable chunks of its staff on friday, many of whom fight misinformation. that is potentially hobbling the company's capabilities just three days before election day. must tweeted that there are no other choices but to cut jobs because the company's value is plummeting by $4 million a day. but he did say that twitter's content moderation policies will remain unchanged. joining me now, nbc news senior reporter covering political extremism and disinformation on the internet, brandi -- and brandy, it is so good to see you. it's been too long, thank you for waking, up early appreciate it. twitter has repeatedly been one of the most influential social media platforms on election day, and so i guess the question is,
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what are the implications of firing half of your staff, 3500 people, late before the midterms? >> hey sam, thanks for having me, so, i think you are really saying it all. but i will say that twitter and musk and his head of safety and trust, all say that our policies haven't changed and we are still the same here, but inside twitter, the people who were laid off in the people who remain there tell a vastly different story. they say that a lot of that in a lot of the people of teams that were dedicated in fact to misinformation and sometimes entire teams that were dedicated to curating content which means making the best, most reliable content come up on your feet, or coming up on the trading topics, or people who their whole job was to explain the trending topics, when you see someone like a celebrity saying that this
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person is not dead. that doesn't start to go crazy, those viral rumors don't start. all of those people, they are gone sam, they are gone. and so what does that mean for election day? well, it means that a rumor about some shenanigans happening at a polling place might be the top of twitter. and it might seem inconsequential, like it is just a rumor, but we now know that rumors, and disinformation, can have a large large impact on how people view democracy and the trust that they have in the systems. we can persuade people to vote. erekat cause a bunch of people to go to a polling place, as we have seen that happen on january six. people who were swept up and misinformation were incited to violence. and so all of this is a possibility, and now we are just waiting and seeing. >> it is the question is, and i don't serve this, how much of this can just sort of be on autopilot. do you need actual human beings to implement these policies, or is it written so that the code of the algorithms can basically
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take care of this, or is really just human capital that we need on twitter? >> well, at the end of the, day it is a website. and so you would think that if you put all the systems in place, and impressive button and say okay, we are good to go, but unfortunately, we have learned that partly the problems that the people inside of twitter and facebook for that matter don't really understand how their algorithms work, because a lot of them are based on human behavior. so a lot of it is reacting. if you don't have the people in line ready to react and implement best practices to make sure that lies and rumors and conspiracy theories don't take over your platform, then that happens. and you know, in terms of like their commitment to actually doing this, i think it is important to say that we can see how elon musk uses twitter. uses it to troll, visa to communicate with right-wing influencers and promised them
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that he'll be on their side and that he will help them out and look into their account, and so it's really frankly suspect to believe that the company has this commitment on the forefront, especially with regards to the election. >> brandi, really quickly, the other big change that musk is implementing is $1 a month fee for verification for twitter users. he is saying, look, i need people to pay for my product, as the world's richest man, but how does this work in practice, and my mind is thinking that he could be easily manipulated. i want to impersonate someone, i pay dollars, i get a verification that i am that person. is that as simple as it could be manipulated, or are there other major problems that you can see with this eight dollar a month a verification system? >> i am just a reporter. everybody they speak to how suggested that elon musk clearly doesn't understand how people use and will hijack
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twitter if this is the case. if anybody can buy $1 badges, then that means that anybody can pretend to be anybody. because verification was first rolled out for celebrities, for important officials, because they want it to be the public square. if it is a public, square you have to be sure that who you are talking to interviewer listening to really is the person. the funniest part about this, for me, is that right now there is a trolling campaign from their fight users before this thing is rolled out, all pertaining to the elon musk. and i can tell, you if you reporters were even fooled by this. it took us a double take. and so we will see how he likes it. >> brandi, we have to wrap it, up but thank you so, much we really create. it and thank you for watching. and so we will be right back after the break. break.
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