they are not coming from the same world that a lot of these points are coming from. in this case, the good news is that we have an overwhelming the divers voice of religious liberalism and progressive-ism in this country. those are the people who need to be activated to fight back against these dangerous gaiety is about banning books, banning ideas. >> you guys are brought a lot of nuance to this conversation. i appreciated. thank you. eddie is the chair of the african american studies department at princeton university. reza is the author of the book beyond fundamentalism, confronting religious extremism in the age of globalism. we have another packed hour coming up. we are heading down to georgia. that is where brian camp and stacey abrams are facing off once again. four years ago, abrams lost by fewer than 55,000 votes out of 4 million. this is shaping up to be a tight race. stacey abrams joins me in just a few moments. she discusses her race and much

more. the next hour starts now. starts now good morning, it is saturday, november 5th. i am ali velshi. we are last and 72 hours -- this is the first federal election since the deadly attack on the capitol on january 6th. democracy itself is on risk. listen to tim michaels. this is wisconsin's republican candidate for governor. >> republicans will never lose a another election in wisconsin after i am elected governor. >> it seems like a good time to remember maya angelou's advice. when people show you who they are, believe them. he is using this to thwart democracy and ensure that only his party will govern. he has won a 200 republicans -- he is lying about the outcome of 2020 elections.

that is according to a colleague by the washington post. many of them are expected to win the races. this comes as nbc reports from two sources. donald trump, the twice impeached former president who is currently under investigation by the department of justice, he will likely announce his next bid for the white house as soon as this month. this is why voting is so important. control the senate in the house are on the line. history is not on the side of those bowing to uphold democracy in voting rights in this country. the party to control the white house typically loses featuring midterms. this is a trend that has largely persisted since the mid 1800s of america. democrats need only to lose five house seats to transfer control the chamber to the republicans. they can't lose a seat the senate. a 50/50 split grants kamala harris at hybrid your vote. this is one of the most closely watched race is being held in georgia. in american history, only two black people have ever been elected governor anywhere in

the united states. steve see abrams has the opportunity to take that further. she could be the nation's first black female governor. it is the rematch between abrams and brian kemp. it has been tight. unsurprisingly, camp won georgia's race for governor by fewer than 55,000 votes out of 4 million in 2018. he was the state sitting secretary of state at the time. he is in charge of winning elections. abrams some democrats have long criticized what cam refer to as voter list means. let me tell you a bit about that. in july of 2017, camp purged more than half 1 million people from georgia's voter rolls. including roughly 107,000 people who were removed from their voter rolls only because they had not voted in recent elections. he also put some 53,000 voter registrations on hold before the 2018 election. that is for running a file of these so-called exact match system. something is small is a drop hyphen or apostrophe could cost of voters registration to be held up.

the analysis found that nearly 70% of the voter registrations placed on hold -- there are those on black voters. georgia's population is only 32% black. as of this morning, two and a half million georgians have cast their ballots. that is up for more than 1 million votes from midterms in 2018. that is surpassing early voting for the 2020 presidential election. joining me now is stacey abrams. she is the democratic nominee for governor in georgia. thank you for joining us. it is pleasure to see you this morning. >> good morning. >> i want to ask you about the race that you are in right now. current polling has you trailing governor kemp by double digits. steven phillips breaks down polling to account for racial data. he says the race is actually much closer than it would appear to be. -- there is increased where early turnout. there were large black turnout that was not anticipated. there are people not registry ding. what is your information telling you what is going on in

georgia? >> we know that polls are snatched up. the question, who you're taking a picture of? >> they are voting in a state that looks like indiana. not a state that looks like george. we have seen record turnout from african american voters, record turnout from latino voters. we are seeing dramatic increases of participation. that includes 500,000 people who voted early. they did not vote in 2080. -- i polls will not always tell the stories that you want to see. what we know is the untold story is that this is a tight race. it is neck and neck. we are on the path to victory if we can get all of our voters turning out. they can navigate the difficult options put in place. they will not only -- they will suppress georgia in the state of georgia. >> the issue of getting the voters turned out as the one people are looking at. there are black voters in georgia. they changed the course of

control. they have had a great deal of influence in this day. you had 94% of the black vote in the last election. there were 55,000 votes. you might have won that election. where is the black vote for you right now? some people have said that it is not as enthusiastic as it was a last time around. >> again, this is a question if he was doing the polling, who is doing the counting. >> we have seen blackmon increase participation rates by 52% over 2018. -- >> we know that black voters are often discounted. unfortunately, these men have been a target targeted population for misinformation. it is not about what they want. it is about why they want what they deserve. my campaign is the only one that has very intentionally, thoughtfully, and consistently

-- indeed, it is disrespect. i'm not entitled to a single vote. i have to work for every vote i get. i worked very hard to engage black voters because they are the cornerstone of victory in the state of georgia. i was not gonna leave a single stone unturned. >> they are a co-owner store in a victory. they were the target of a voter suppression. for americans, there's the image of voter suppression. their pictures of georgia, a long lineups. that is where it was made illegal to provide people with water or snacks as they vote. there are registration things that are impediments to people voting. how influential is that for people today? are there voters in georgia who want to come out to vote just so that the stuff is reversed? >> that is exactly one of the reasons that people are turning out. we want to remind people that the election is on tuesday.

we have seen outsized heard about among black voters. we need to remember that the early voting is the beginning, not the end. and we know that people turn out early because they understand that they put barriers in place. they are denied access to food and water. they are stretching up to four or eight hours. they know that they are more difficult to put in place for absentee bowus. why supremacist groups have been challenging people's right to vote. up to 75,000 people have had their right to vote challenge against the law passed by brian campy. data because he was pressured by the results. he gets lionized for not committing trees in. you can delay the outcome of their election. it is even more efficient to block access to that election. that is brian cam's motive. >> he is not committing treason.

the supreme court arguably mar-a-lago case earlier this month. it has the potential to further got the other acts. >> that is joe biden. he won there in 2022. that spurred attacks by donald trump. there is the creation of the election integrity act by governor camp. those are the restrictions that we were just talking about. strict drop boxes gave more power to the legislation over elections. how much should this be for the rest of the country? >> it should be a definite call. we need to remember, again, we have been focused on the spectacle of donald trump and his election denial. he had been able to build quietly. man like bryan camp had been doing something more insidious. that is putting barriers in place to deny access. it is a lot easier to gain the outcome when nobody can show

up. let's be clear, the false narrative that voter turnout is fell through voter suppression, it misunderstands it. it has never been about stopping voters. it is about clogging the arteries of the process and stopping certain voters. there is a position to voter suppression that is gonna be celebrated with this case. it is gonna knock out the final leg of the voting rights act. we lost section five of the shelby decision. they knocked out half of section two with the decision in 2021. there is the decision that is gonna close the loop. there will be no voting rights act in half of the state that we're having the fastest growing populations. that is where protection is so vital. brian kemp has been the lead architect. his bill in georgia become the blueprint in 24 states. if it has not reached you yet, it is on its way. >> your group is the far-right. you have worked to mobilize voters in georgia. secretary camp frame the political battle.

what has that evolved into no? how do people interpret it? >> if someone shows you who they are, believe them. but i can't has been 16 years undermining access to the right to vote for people of color. he has done so intentionally. they did so with great success as. he does not get candidate for the fact that we are turning out anyway. that is the result of organizers. georgia organizers refused to be pushed back. they are showing up. they are turning voters a. we are excited about what we are seeing. -- you should go and vote. this is one of the tricks they used in 2018. they shut down 214 polling places. make sure you have a plan to vote. make sure you know where to go to vote. make sure you bring certain people with you when you show up. >> what is gonna be different on tuesday? why? >> what is different is that

four years ago we were speculating about how terrible it would all be. because he was inside say hurry to be first, georgians died. he prematurely opened the state without precautions. . he was the governor when six hospitals shut down. he refused to expand medicaid. he was the architect of weakening gun laws. other states have been trying to strengthen gun laws. georgia saw gun violence skyrocket. he has weakened gun laws and banned background checks. he has banned books. he has banned telling children through that school. he has banned abortion. we know from women in georgia that this is a lethal decision. we have some women who don't have health insurance. we have 82 counties that don't have it ob/gyn. and they have to know they're pregnant before they know they are pregnant to get access to reproductive care. this is just not don. if somebody puts a bill on his dad ask it, further restrict

access to contraception or something else that could ban abortion. he is willing to take a look at it. he is willing to sign it. >> stacey abrams. we appreciate your time this morning. it is a busy time for the candidates. thank you for joining us this morning. stacey abrams is the democratic nominee in george is great for the governor. >> thank you for having me. >> up next, from one battleground state to another, democrat tim ryan and republican j.d. vance are locked in a tight race to replace the outgoing ohio senator. we go live to ohio for a live report. plus, political violence is on the rise in america. the republican coalition of the big lie candidates has its way. don't expect that to change anytime soon. hang anytime soon earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. this week is your chance to try any subway footlong for free. like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free! this guy loves a great offer. so let's see some hustle!

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consternation about georgia, pennsylvania, and arizona as we hit election day, but what importantly that does not get much attention is ohio's election of the united states senate. tim ryan is facing off republican j.d. vance for the

senate seat being vacated by the recoup retiring republican senator rob portman. president trump easily carry a high or in 2016 and 2020. if the polls to believe, the neck and neck race with vance starting to pull ahead in recent days. as he tries to claw his way back, ryan is appealing to moderate republicans in the state, he gained the endorsement of publican -- and because his opponent is an election liar, ryan painted himself as the only candidate suitable for ohio. >> i think average ohio aides who may be a moderate republican are looking at this guy and saying, no way, no way are you going to spend the next six years in the united states senate representing ohio. >> joining us now is nbc correspondent jesse kershaw, live from cincinnati. jesse, you had about beau candidates, and what they will do a sway with undecided voters ahead of election day. what did you learn? >> yeah, ali, we are asked this question because, obviously, in many races, people are very

much in their quarter, right? what you see from tim ryan on the trail is an appeal across the aisle, specifically to moderate republicans, people who might have more conservative ideas, whether it's physically, socially, or on a number of issues. it might be over a trump. and his wing of the republican party. we constantly hear kim ryan styling himself, advertising himself on the trail for someone you might's mistake for republican, that is something that resonated with some voters. whether they realize he is not republican and they switch over to vance. we wanted to ask both of these candidates what their appeal would be to people who are still up in the air, specifically we talked to a group working in manufacturing, at this point, they said they were not sure who they would vote for. here is what both candidates told us. >> obviously, we have a lot going on right now in the state of ohio, i give a lot of credit to the guy standing next to me. we also just need better federal policy. why do we have manufacturing

starting to come back to the state of ohio? starting to come back to the country? i think it starts with trump's policies, five or six years ago, we need to build on it. that's exactly what we plan on doing. >> we met three young workers in a factory yesterday in middletown, ohio where your opponent is from. all recently hired, all planning to vote, still undecided, they say. wanting to do more research, if they would read one thing about you before tuesday, what would you want it to be? >> that j.d. vance has to vote donors for 55 million. mitch o'connell, peter thiel going for $425, 000, 95% of the contributions are under $100. >> ali, i wanted to point out that the vance campaign told us that they have hundreds of thousands of donors. obviously, the dueling goes on. one thing that stood out for us covering this race as we are hearing more about abortion and election integrity, perhaps crime and at the races, we hear about issues here in ohio,

certainly from the democrat, the first thing we hear about our jobs, workers, and from the republican, it's about the economic implications of inflation, and tying that a democratic policy. you see j.d. vance tying himself with former president donald trump. conversely, tim ryan wants to keep president biden an arms length. he does not want the president your campaigning with him, however, j.d. vance wants people to believe that tim ryan is putting out a message that does not line up with his voting record, completely in line with the president and speaker nancy pelosi. obviously, these two continue to duel it out, we will see what we actually have as a result on tuesday night. both candidates are brushing aside the polls, by the way. >> jesse, thank you for your reporting, we appreciate it. jesse kershaw in cincinnati, ohio. we wanted to correct something we saw in the last segment, we should 5:38, the aggregate pool for the georgia government race. the percentages were not from the aggregate pull, but from a single pool. i want to put up the correct

aggregate pulling members from 5:38, the republican governor brian kemp's pulling ahead, but by a smaller margin than what you saw earlier. 51.6% to 44%. you recall i had a conversation with stacey abrams about the distinction in polling, and the fact that there are others that say that that sort of polling is not reflective of the demographic that is voting in georgia. her point was that the polling, that we showed, you looked in her words, more like pulling in the state of indiana and then it does in the state of georgia. that is an interesting dynamic in today's polling that does not take into account places like georgia, where nine or ten counties are where stacey abrams streak is going to come from, perhaps that is not necessarily capturing. political violence is no place in a democracy, it continues to be prevalent in america. that's on the minds of voters and candidates in this election cycle. er and candidates in this electio cycle. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free! this guy loves a great offer. so let's see some hustle!

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post, 291 republicans are running for congress or statewide office this your question, or denied, or lied about the result of the 2020 election. many of them are likely to win their races this year. in addition to that, at election day nears, there's a specter of violence that we can't ignore. and at this year's midterms, election officials and poll workers are bracing for tensions at the polls on election day, that errol agencies are on alert as well warning that, perception of election related fraud and dissatisfaction with electoral outcomes will likely result in higher threats of violence. in a new poll, the washington post on the 88% of americans are somewhat or very concerned about that potential for politically motivated violence this year. these concerns can be traced back to the big lie, and the big lie or justo to all, donald trump. the republican party did not reckon with the rise of violence in the ranks, even as the perpetrators of these incidents where maggot

clothing. they were slogans at not the -- nauseam. they were trump branded flags. instead, they were gaslighting americans into believing that this is what patriotism actually looks like. and the insurrection at the capitol was legitimate political discourse. america has a long history of politically motivated and election related violence, on november 2nd 1920, dozens of black people were masked massacred for trying to vote on election day in a coal we are, a city in central florida. no one was convicted in those killings. -- the effort to prevent black people from registering to vote in the state of alabama led to the historic settlement of montgomery march that was held by dr. martin luther king junior. that happened less than 60 years ago. there might be people watching right now that fought for the right to vote back then, or have a parent, grandparent, relative, friend, colleague who did. donald trump and his coalition of antidemocratic big lying candidates on the ballot this year could unravel all the

progress they fought for. that what is at this year. joining me now is dr. joanne friedman, a -- and yale university and co-host of the now and then podcast. she is also the author of the book the field of blood, violence in congress and the road to the civil war. thank you for joining us, dr. friedman. i remember what i spoke with you, right after january 6th, might have been the next day. you and i know each other, but i did not think we would actually be talking on a regular basis about political violence in america. or at least domestically abused political violence. yet here we are, what is the effect that this is part of the discourse? >> that simple fact that there is endless reasons for us to come back and discuss the topic is part of the problem. which is to some degree, we are watching violence, maybe more accurately, the threat of violence become normalized. that it is happening, we don't like that is happening, you showed a pull a moment ago that

issue with people who are freed it is happening. the fact of the matter is, precisely because people are not stepping forward to denounce it, and i mean specifically people on the right are not stepping forward to say a wine has been crossed when violence happens, or threats at ballot boxes and people don't step forward and say, i'm sorry, a white has been crossed, this isn't the not the way democratic politics has proceed. that's kind of an invitation for more. it spreads the contagion of violence. it spreads this idea that violence is possible, we don't know where it's going to happen, that is the sneaky power of threats, as long as you believe they might be fulfilled, they will do what they need to do. they will frighten people to not voting. they have people who hold back. >> they may frighten people into not running, to not covering the story. in response to a tweet that jokes being made about paul pelosi, the attack on paul

pelosi, you wrote the response on the right on the attack on paul pelosi should ring alarm bells, by laughing at it, they're not only normalizing the violence, they are welcoming. it it's entertaining to them, it plays well, it's miles be on the stand back and stand by. its approval. >> i think that is true, i think an important aspect about that fact is it is probably tempting to think that once the election is over, that this will stop, and somehow things will be better. the problem with that kind of thinking is, once that is unleashed in some way, it is not going to vanish, it has become normalized as part as the political discourse in some way, the attitude, the tone, the fact that you hear behind me the sirens, they are coming to get me. truly, i think that whatever is unleashed in the current political climate, you can't bank on the fact that it's going to go away and somehow the affluent discourse is going

to be, not civil in some ways, but less violent, less extreme. >> we have had uncivil times, we have had great division in the country and during the civil war, during the civil rights movement. there are many historians that, so let's not pretend this is the most divided we have ever been, we have come back from those things. obviously, with the civil war, it was a war that did it. what can happen to bring us back from this brink? and do you believe we are as divided as we all? or is there some division and a bunch of people in the middle being duped? >> that i don't know. what i can say is the idea that we have been in bad times before, or seen violence around politics before, we have seen extreme polarization before, so we will be okay. i think that card of thinking is dangerous. the fact of the matter is, yes, we have seen a lot of things in politics before that are not democratic. individually, some of what we are seeing is not necessarily new. but what we are seeing now is seemingly pretty much entire

porky that has routinely, and publicly declaring that they may or may not go along with our electoral system. that is purely, not just eroding our democratic process, it is denying it. it is putting itself above it. i think what is distinctive about this moment is people in high office, or running for high office are very publicly declaring, they may or may not abide by the election depending what happens to say that that is dangerous as an understatement. it's a policy that basically isn't, accountability is off the table, right? one of the core of things about democracy that people give power to are accountable to us for that power. if elections no matter, and people can do whatever they want as long as they're like, the outcome of an election, goodbye accountability, goodbye our power to put people in office we want to see put in

office. >> the normalization of the big lie is something you are concerned about. but i think on october 29th, you tweeted about your fear about the normalization of the violence. you say that this is how violence gets normalized. silence, evasion, avoidance, dismissive miss. we are watching it happen. disarm degree, paul pelosi stuff, it's pessimist, you might be making a joke about, you might say it's not a serious, by the way, to a lot of americans, the poll, walkers the armed poll watchers in arizona, nothing happened. nobody did anything, nobody got hurt. gretchen woodworth did not get kidnapped and killed in michigan. paul pelosi is recovering in hospital. this is what happens, we minimize these things. we have instances of political violence in america. >> right. what's important to note is the normalization of it. yes, i am very pleased that mr. pelosi is recovering, but for that to happen, and for people to mock that, or a lot at that,

dismiss it as not meaningful, the simple thought that it happened with pretty much not only know pushback on the right, but mocking of it on the right, that's essentially invitation. it's giving a stamp of approval that, yes, we don't want to take it seriously, and if it happens again, we might not step up and say anything about at the next time. in some way or another, if you don't stand up against violence, just as i said after january 6th, if you don't have a hearing, if you don't draw that line, even if drawing that line does nothing, you are basically inviting more of the same. >> that's an interesting point, draw the line even if you don't think it has any consequence because for historians, people who look back, and people in politics, that wind may ultimately mean something very important. joanne, good to see you as always. dr. joanne friedman, a professor of history and american studies at yale university. again, somebody who wrote a book a long time ago that is

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democrat, virginia representative abigail spanberger who is facing a tough reelection fight against a trump backed opponent, yes lee vega who is publicly sympathize with the january 6th insurrectionist. one of the key bellwether races in the midterm election cycle, it is a third democratic endorsement that liz cheney has made, although she generally has endorsed, show that republicans who did not support january 6th or the big lie should support democratic candidates. in a statement, she said that quote, she is honored to endorse and abigail spanberger, saying that, they don't agree on every policy, i am absolutely certain that abigail is dedicated to serving the country on the constituents and defending the constitution, and court. meanwhile, the fight for abortion rights are on the ballot, it is become the defining issue for the recent governor, attorney general, and secretary of state. when voters head to the polls, it won't be the candidates that sheep the abortion battle, but michigan's proposal three, which is a proposal to amend the state constitution to establish individual rights for

reproductive freedom. in a frosty, we don't know how things will play out and three days time, we have seen republicans liz cheney endorsed the democrat, melissa slotkin in michigan, as cheney and democrats have -- extreme republicans. nbc julie tsirkin is in lansing, michigan and more on the abortion for it. julie? >> yeah, ali, it's coming down to the race between gretchen whitmore, the democratic and -- endorsed by former president trump. as an american first platform. here behind me in a couple minutes, we are going to see a big abortion weights get out the vote rally that is being held by the three top democrats at the top of the ticket statewide for our governor, for attorney general, and for secretary of state as well. they will be joined by the presidents of the largest pro choice, pro abortion rights organizations in the country, including planned parenthood. narrow and emily's list as well. after, that their plan is to get voters to actually go to a polling location right behind me and cast their ballots.

they are hoping that their support will be able to be carried by proposal three. remember, michigan is a unique state where voters get to decide whether abortion rights should be enshrined in the states constitution, but as the margin between whitmore and dickson has been closing in, so has support for peace proposal three. that's in part because republicans has stepped up their money spending in the state in the last month alone, we saw nearly $7 million spent to elect tutor dixon, get your woodman's opponent, and a release of the two issues aligned here. we will see the next couple of days at the margins it closer and closer if democrats are able and willing to hold on to that. >> julie tsirkin for us in east lansing, michigan. obviously, that will be a race we watch closely. east lansing, that's where she is, east lansing is where alyssa slot kenny's. the democratic candidate who was endorsed by liz cheney. one of the biggest worries in the upcoming midterm its

election liars lose, they don't concede, and then spread lies about the result. it's a fear that is pronounced in arizona, where i spent last weekend, this week, my colleague alicia menendez interviewed mark kelly for her show, american voices. alicia asked kelly what he would do if the republican opponent loses. does not accept the results. >> to the point about his questioning the results of an election that has not yet happened, are you, your team, are you preparing for the possibility of his doing that on election night? >> of course. >> what are you doing? >> i run a very serious operation. i have had challenging jobs in the past. as a commander of the space shuttle, it flew and combat, i take the appropriate steps. so we are ready to handle anything. >> i want to circle back to this question of democracy, it's going to see massive tarik and big, but i think for people who were in the work, it feels

really real. >> it is real. >> we are teetering. >> yes. >> i think things could have been a lot worse in 2020, they could've been worse, i worry about the election in 2022. i worry here in arizona, can possibly be ground zero of really challenging period in our country history in regards to democracy. not only my race, it's the governor's race, secretary of state, attorney general, those races are critical. every candidate on the other side, it's very fair to say, questioned the 2020 election because i did not win. we they will say things to convince people that the election is stolen. but i stand with our republican governor on this. we do elections well in arizona, 2020 election was certified by both democrats, and republicans. it was audited. but to say repeatedly, like my opponent blake masters did,

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that is more than two anti pollution ads permanent. joining me now is nbc news -- radicalization and disinformation, brandy zadrozny. randi, good to see you, my friend. you and i have been talking about this for years, but i don't know if we talked about, if we know the situation would be substantially worse, maybe you did, i thought maybe having a handle on, reporting on, that we would get smarter about it. in fact, it has gotten worse. we have more disinformation out there the [interpreter] -- >> absolutely, we used to talk about the dark corners of the internet, and all of these lies are being built, proliferating, spreading sometimes they make their way to them normal people, and then i would appear on the show. it becomes top-down. these conspiracy theories around paul pelosi has been on.

-- meghan kelly mentioned on the other day. they are coming from with in inside the house, they are coming from the leaders, people who should know better. it is just, the information environment generally is really, really polluted. in the last year, we have had this information, things we saw were in front of our face. the violence on january 6th, that is not, think that was a peaceful process. the election was stolen? it wasn't, the same people that spread lies about vaccines. it is just from everywhere. now living again in the space where, people who should know better are really politically profiting off of this. >> normalization, the information of violence polluted, at some point the river, in your city if it is polluted, you stay the fact that it's a polluted river. i'm worried about the normalization of it. the inside or had a insight that 43% of americans believed

it is likely that civil war will break out within the next ten years. i don't know enough about the poll to understand, do the 43% want a civil war? do they fear a civil war? but the idea that this kind of thing can happen is the undermining of democracy, right? if you believe america will be in a civil war in the next decade, that means that faith and the fact this is a working democracy is diminishing. >> absolutely, for that, we can take the pulse of the way people are feeling from on social media i'm in the space a lot. the idea that people are hang on to those guns for the civil war is extremely common. it is hard to say that how many people sort of posturing? how many people really mean it. i see regular people people who aren't extremists, they originally point to in say this is not an ex obvious extremist, these are your neighbors, these are people you work with who do

hold his beliefs. that is, it is very concerning, it is the same thing we saw again right before january 6th. it is a feeling that this is really infiltrating the mainstream and a way that is deeply uncomfortable. you saw, when people talk about violence online, and they say they are going to commit violence online. often they go do that thing. >> i want to ask you about what the npr headline, one in five local officials saying they are likely to quit before 2024. this is an example, perhaps the civil war thing is a distraction, this is not an abstraction. we have seen violence and threats of violence against elected officials. the last 50 years that was not something a general election official ever thought about. this is again, the infrastructure of democracy starting to frail. >> absolutely. like you said, it's election officials, it is teachers, it is librarians. it is people who might have ran for public office before would dare do it now. and why would they?

the thing, one of the main tactics right now on the right, and in the far right media is to pick the person, whether it's an election worker like ruby freeman, or you know, a trans person living their life on tiktok. and blowing them up. within one day, they can be on the cover of fox news, they can be on tucker carlson. it really does cause a wave of harassment that is so intense, and so violent in nature that you have to be crazy to wants to do this job. there is another life, people did not sign up for that. the problem is as well, if you go to the front page of the qanon major web for him right now, it has a bar on the side that says, run for school board, run for your local election, go be a local elector. the problem is, when you get all of these normal folks who want to do well and serve the community, and we brought an out with harassment and threats, there is going to be people weak in line. it's the kind of people that, you don't want to see in these spaces.

>> who would've thought that a former librarian with tell me about the fact that librarians are under threat. who would've thought we would have a discussion about librarians being under threat. it's an important point, randy. thank you for your important reporting. randi, nbc news senior reporter. that is it for me, thank you for watching, come back tomorrow morning at the regular time, eight to 10 am eastern. my friend alex witt picks up the coverage after the break. you are watching msnbc. you are watching msnbc you are watching msnbc al action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. (vo) a thin painted line. there's no question it's something the only thing between you and a life-changing accident. but are these lines enough? a subaru with eyesight... (kid vo) hey dad! (vo) ...watches the lines for any danger... and can automatically stop itself. (mom) is everyone ok? (kid) i'm ok. (vo) your family is safer in a three-row subaru ascent.

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