unemployment, but won't veasey happened down the road? >> we see in california, we see it in other places where they ended affirmative action, and the drop off for black and brown students is significant, and we will see schools that will be mostly white and asian. students will lose out -- this is where young people start to get to know about each other, and diversity does mean something. we should be very afraid of the fact that we will be whitewashing our universities, and that is not good for anyone. >> all right, judith brown dianis, always a pleasure. thank you for making time with us this evening. greatly appreciate your insights. and coming up on the second hour of ayman, the blurring lines between rhetorical extremism and real world political violence, michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow will join me in just a moment. also, the bell measures that could change how we live from

abortion access to minimum wage, there is a lot more to vote than just the candidates. and republicans radical attempts to overhaul education systems, they are targeting local school board races and being funded by conservative packs. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> new tonight, tim ryan the democratic senate candidate in ohio has just invoked a brutal attack on speaker pelosi's husband, urging voters to reject political extremism and threats of violence. he said, quote, in part, we go to the polls fearlessly, we govern fearlessly, because they want to try to scare you. they want to try to scare us, right? we see this level of political violence happening now against a third ranking constitutional officer in the country. and that new urging is where we begin our second hour tonight. on friday, speaker pelosi spoke publicly for the first time

about the assault on her husband. >> thank you, thank you for your kind words your prayers and her good wishes for paul. it's going to be a long haul, but he will be well. it's just so tragic how it happened. but nonetheless, we have to be optimistic. he surrounded by family so that's a wonderful thing. >> federal and state prosecutors have now filed charges against the alleged assailant, social media posts reviewed by nbc news -- deeply immersed in political conspiracies including those about the 2020 election. the alleged assailant said his intention was to take the speaker hostage and, quote, breaker kneecaps. according to the federal complaint filed by investigators. he also allegedly said he wanted speaker pelosi to be, quote, wheeled into congress as a warning sign for other lawmakers. he called pelosi has since been released from the hospital. --

conservative members of the news media have pushed salacious theories about paul pelosi. the alleged attacker and his motives. prompting california governor gavin newsom to hit back accusing fox -- a fox host of, quote, aiding and enabling that vitriol that caused the assault. and -- don noises democrats. -- this week, donald trump shared baseless conspiracies about the attack on the conservative radio show, despite knowing how these conspiracies have real life consequences. just look at the events of january the 6th. historian matthew dialogue describes these recent events as examples of, quote, the fighting line between a rhetorical extremism and political violence. and the new york times op-ed gallic writes the anti government rhetoric from the reagan era to the maga movement is, quote, casts the government

is not just the problem but as evil. and within the last, year according to capitol police reference, there has been almost 10,000 recorded threats against members of congress. a tenfold trump from 2016 when donald trump took office. and it's not just national politicians that are being targeted, an increasing number of local leaders have found themselves facing threats. experts tell time that the harassment is disproportionately aimed at officials who are when and people of color. and for some, life in a public service has turned into a life of fear. pablo sees a tech serves as a reminder that that fear isn't unfounded. these aren't always empty threats because as dallek, notes leaders like trump, far-right groups have felt increasingly comfortable not only incubating and encouraging acts of violence, but actually carrying them out. joining me now is democratic michigan state senator maryland

mcmorrow. thank you for making time for us, it's good to see you. again you went viral for hitting back against your republican colleagues after accusing you have wanted agreements actualize children. during that experience, where you ever afraid that the extremist rhetoric against you could lead to the kind of violence we are talking about? >> of course, and this is the moment that we're living in right now. i have friends who have moved from d.c. to michigan. and when they saw this language about grooming and pedophilia language that straight out of qanon, they were aware that something like the comet ping-pong event would happen to me. there where we was that someone would come over to my house with a gun instead shooting. and it has kept going. we have not been deperno's republican candidate -- a groomer and using this antisemitic hate filled

language knowing that they are stoking the flames and keeping it going because it's a political strategy that's winning for them. >> conservatives have also to a smaller degree been the subject of attacks most recently a man was arrested out of justice brett kavanaugh's home after making pets. but democrats immediately condemned the attack, they approved increase spending for justice security. the reaction to it is very different than what we are seeing come out of the republicans. why are we not seeing the same kind of united reaction from republicans in the leadership of the republican party following the attack on paul pelosi? >> if i have this answer, i think we'd meet at a much better place. but the reality is, we have three days left to prove them wrong. because whether we know why are not, they are doing it. and they are doing it because it's the tone that donald trump said that you have to line yourself with people who are

violent with hate groups, with anti government extremists, and toying with that ability to carry out violent acts because that's what the base wants. and they're afraid of turning cans that base. so we don't fight back with violence, we fight back with votes and it's really easy to feel like we can't, to feel exports helpless. the china waters down and make us quite, but we can't, quit not now when we are so close to election day. >> there's a new washington post poll that found that 87 -- politically motivated acts of violence. as you mentioned, gorgeous days to go until election. what's your reaction to that number? what scares you the most in these final days? >> it doesn't surprise me at all it's what i hear on the ground, when i'm talking to constituents. it's what i hear with my colleagues. we are a state that is run by three women at the top of our ticket with gretchen whitmer, jocelyn vince, and -- we are wrist --

carry a public executions of elected officials on the state capital, it's real, and it's real at home. ficialand it is scary. it's scary for a lot of people and a lot of families. we are really horrific event outside of the political arena of a dad in oakland county, he was a radicalized qanon, he shot and killed his wife. china killed his daughter. and it's really spilling out into real life. so there's this sense here on the ground in michigan that we have to win and beat back this really ugly, violent turn that the modern gop has taken. >> let me shift gears for a moment if i can and talk about michigan abortion is literally on the ballot this tuesday. voters will decide whether to codify the right to abortion into the states constitution. how do you expect that vote to go? how do you see a playing out right? now you know the lay of the land better than i do. >> i do, and it's being

credible to see the energy on the ground here maintained. i know there's a lot of hammering around the country right now democrats are on this issue. but i know there are people who are tuning out specifically to vote for prop three. and then asking who are the candidates that support their will on the ballot. it's really incredible how motivated people are. we know that around two thirds of michigan jurors want to keep road. they don't want to see it overturned. and there's a sense of excitement, frankly, that we have the ability, as a state, to put this into our state constitution and protect this right once and for all. >> this, year democrats's best chance at flipping state legislator actually lies in your state. in michigan. your party hasn't had a majority in the house since 2010 or in the senate since 1984. but this year, both are considered toss-ups. what would democratic-controlled mean for people in michigan? >> it's incredible. you mentioned it, the state

senate where i served hasn't been under democratic control since 1984 which is slightly longer than i've been alive. so it's 40 years of an agenda that we're ready to enact, protecting the right to vote, protecting the lgbtq community. repealing our 1931 abortion ban even if that passes in the state constitution to make sure that it's protected in the statute as well. fully funding our education. this is the home of betsy devos, so we when make sure that it doesn't go to a privatized education system and ensure it's a state that has opportunity for everybody. there's so much good work we can do to keep the state moving forward. and we're excited about the possibility. >> we said at the top of the, are we're less than 72 hours but till the closing of the polls. what is your final message as we enter the final days of the election? >> just keep going. get off of twitter. especially right now, get off the news, i know it's really easy just a feel hopeless, but i've been in more than a dozen

kickoffs, and the energy is exciting, it's gonna make you feel good to get out there and vote, make a few phone calls, volunteer, canvas, and we are not so much good work to celebrate after election day. >> get off the news, but just finish this hour and then get off the news. >> finish this hour, and then find volunteering hours. >> michigan state senator valérie mcmorrow, always a pleasure. >> thanks, ayman. -- >> coming up, the ballot initiatives that may change the way that people votes. >> good evening to. you singer aaron carter has died. carton's body was found in his home in southern california on saturday. the cause of death is being investigated. carter was 34. north korea firing off for more short-range ballistic missiles on saturday morning as tensions with south korea continue to mount. the south korean military says the rockets flew about 80 miles before they crashed into waters off the korean peninsula and

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and 37 states have the chance to vote on 132 ballot measures. the measures can make major changes to hammer americans live and vote. -- and shrine reproductive rights in their state constitutions while voters in kentucky could do the opposite and conclude there could be no such protections. over in montana, if a ballot initiative passes, health care provider in the state could face criminal charges if they do not take reasonable actions

to save an infant who was born alive. including after the attempted abortion. recreational marijuana could soon be legal in half the country -- measures on their ballots for voters to consider legalizing recreational marijuana. and one of the nations premier swing states could see electorals system overhauled. nevada's reach question three asks whether voters want to implement rank choice voting. that's a system by which voters ranked candidates in order of preferences. the -- hell democrat mayor patel that win a special election this summer and has earned the driver seat to defend her seat this fall. let's bring in my saturday night panel, don edwards, former maryland congresswoman in an msnbc contributor. terry sub mueller, senior advisor at the lincoln project, and james rogers, republican congressional candidate for texas's district 30. it's great to have all of. you donna, i will start with you.

as we just discussed, michigan voters will decide whether to codify the rights to an abortion in the state constitution. do you think this could increase turnout in the state? >> i do, in fact i think our experience with some of these ballot initiatives is that they can drive turnout and of course, in michigan as it was described, it might drive turnout of young voters who then also will vote from the top of the ticket all the way down. so i think these are important measures standing on their own, but they also could -- because influence peoples lives directly in people care about abortion rights that they can actually drive turner. now >> what are your thoughts on the ballot initiatives regarding the legalization of marijuana? what impact would that have on the states affected, do you think? >> i'm really encouraged by it. i have no understanding why it was ever a schedule one drug. like her wooden pcp.

the -- 11 billion end funding and revenue just from recreational, that's not including medical marijuana. and this is how federalism should work. state should be able to decide what's best for their communities, to experiment as laboratories of democracy, we've gotten away from that. i just want to wait until we're empowered in -- we complain about it. i like that we're letting these states be states again and rainfall to address things like or boyd crisis, school budget shortages, with innovative approaches. >> we talk to us about bringing toys voting. as i mentioned we're seeing this play out in alaska. our cvs having a somewhat moderating effect -- over more hard right republican candidates. do you think this would do the same in a place like nevada? keep more extreme candidates on both sides of the aisle of the ballot? >> frankly, i do. i would >> i was --

when i was a harvard fellow with the governor of alaska. governor walker who is also running again. it made sense to me, initially i thought, i don't know, it seems complicated. but it actually makes a lot of sense and we have seen that it has a moderating effect. alaska has it and so does main. and it has been successful here. so i think that the primary system has been frustrating for a lot of voters because you strict to see, when you get closed primaries, you the more extreme candidates sometimes win. and people have been frustrated by. that i happen to live in a state that has open primary so you don't have to be registered for either party. you can vote for whatever primary want. i think we need to move more towards that and opening up our election processes for more people and rank choice voting is another one of those areas of election reform that i think could be beneficial. >> when you look at these

ballot initiatives across the board, marijuana, rank choice voting, abortion we just highlighted a few of them, are they enough to encourage folks to vote across the country? are these issues going to bring people to the ballot box? >> i think it's really hard to know. there's been a mixed bag of weather people show up to vote for example with increasing the minimum wage that appears on the ballot. it can drive turnout. but at the same time, it doesn't mean that people are necessarily voting their entire ballot. so it's a mixed bag. one of the things to know about the marijuana ballot initiatives, they only really apply to those states because at the federal level, marijuana is a schedule one drug. so all of the transactional things that we think about, the banking system, et cetera, that isn't gonna be affected even though now if these past in

these states, only three states will not have any kind of medical or recreational marijuana use in their states. that means all of the rest of the states do. so it's time for the federal legislation to make sure that we create some broader system that deals with a transactional issue. so i think i'm excited to see it because they can drive turnout in some instances and particularly when they're highlighted although i have to tell you when i got my ballot, i had forgotten that it was -- marijuana was gonna be on the ballot. so i waited and saw it at the last minute and voted. but i hadn't heard anything in the ether any conversation about the ballot initiative itself. so that's kind of problematic. so>> james, let me pose that question to censor. running you speak to constituents, do you get a sense that the constituents you're potentially dealing with, the voters, care about these

initiatives? there are where about, them do they show up for them? are they marched in the candidates before they are in the actual initiatives? these ballot initiatives? >> i'm a former government teachers so these initiatives, i probably have a different -- even the small ones move on and they're super important. i will say that when i see [inaudible] people are interested in those as local initiatives specifically the school bonds and school board where uses have been -- i get a lot of questions like what are you going to do with the [inaudible] not allowed in congress but i will try. it kind of integrates that social fabric that we're talking about the federalism. i hope it will encourage people to get out, get involved, and be more ingrained in our democratic process because their things -- from the top to the bottom, they're gonna be affecting your lives in major ways.

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only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ >> they're literally coming after social security medicare. there is a guy named senator rick scott -- he thinks social security and medicare should be on the chopping block every single year. >> inflation is a real problem right now. who's actually gonna do something about it. the republicans who want to -- and medicare while giving more tax cuts to the wealthiest among us, more tax cuts to big corporations? i don't think that's going to help you. >> do republicans have real actual plans to address

inflation? esquire magazine as a republican senate candidates in competitive races for their plans to lower gas places and -- herschel walker, mike lee and blake masters never responded -- four of the other candidates who did respond, ron johnson, ted budd adam, laxalt and j.d. vance. they're so shunts came in the form of pointing out the horrible things the biden administration has done. not to mention the -- monopoly power in corporate cuts and -- the war on ukraine, opec. housing, the main driver of inflation through much of 2022 or even the federal reserve. let's bring back my saturday night panel. donna, is it easier for biden to come up with actual plans? i guess it's the old political saying that it's harder to govern than be in the opposition, right?

>> i think that should republicans take the house and the senate, i don't think they are going. to they are going to find that it's harder to govern. the first thing out of the box is they are already threatening to hold off on increasing the debt limit. that is about paying our bills. and if they don't think that that's going to send a shock wave through the economy, and we've had that experience before. i think the reason that some of these candidates could not come up with ideas is because they don't have ideas to come up with. >> the new york times reports that some republicans have proposed changes to social security including raising the age for collecting benefits and medicare. do you support those changes. >> inflation is gonna be a comprehensive issue and i really want to talk about this because it's a bipartisan issue. i'm fed up with it. we have bush coming in here and saying, we have to put six

trillion, we have to create this debt. and -- financial crisis, another a trillion. and then trump campaigns are not adding to the debt. and then three years he's doing pretty good, and then -- biden [inaudible] all this extra printing creates cash that has no weight to it. and now that [inaudible] people who rely on cash are people with home payments, car payments, they're saying that their bank account with less and there's no one doing anything about. that real wage growth is down eight and a half points to inflation. that's the lowest money that people have had in the pocket since the 70s. and i'm fed up with the fake republicans who don't want to do anything about it. no one can be trusted with the keys to the money printer, no one can be trusted with being able to write bad checks because they're both gonna do it to please their side. cutback crepe out, a hard cap, you can't spend over that. and that's gotta be bipartisan. both sides have to come to the table with the. chops because gonna trim the fat that's going to the friends

and all the pork that's going to their constituents. cut that out, keep the benefits that are really for the people. sorry, i got a little hot. i'm a football coach. >> i appreciate. that but let's go back to my question if you. can do you support cutting social security and medicare. >> no, i think the problem we have is granted and ten trillion in unfunded liabilities, the money is not there. and while i don't agree with the republicans who are saying that's cut it, i also find it more duplicitous to continue borrow it to the negative 2:10 trillion. that money is not there and that's also a lot. so i would set protections to -- ever gonna talk about things increasing, it shouldn't be to the people who have already paid and because then you're going back on your word and hear the one being [inaudible] financial literacy, especially in low and middle income fashion belize, you have no idea of the hurdles these families have to do to have

financial literacy that other families. have we have to increase that so [inaudible] it's dire. >> tara, what's your reaction to republicans plans to cut social spending? >> i think that it's something that's been part of the republican platform for decades. fiscal responsibility was the hallmark of the republican party and i was there in the 90s when the republicans ran up the contract with america one of the tenants there was about welfare reform and trying to fix some of those unfunded mandates and the programs that didn't work. waste fraud and abuse, those types of things. and the democrats, to james, point democrats -- president clinton signed bipartisan legislation. that made a big difference. that would be great if more republican sounded like james robert jurors. i agree with him. social security has been a third rail in politics for so long because of the fact that

you don't want to to -- the idea of cutting social security is the benefits for the people who paid in for it to impact them, now is terrible no one wants their benefits cut because they paid into, but these unfunded mandates are a problem. they take out a considerable amount of our national debt and they will go bankrupt. so it does need to be addressed. but the way the republicans are going about it right now, they're using this one issue, they don't have a platform on anything else. they really don't. they've been using scare tactics, culture, wars all these other things instead of an actual agenda, a political agenda that you can govern. on the neck and you get that. to don's point, one of the first things that republicans will do if they take back the house and senate is traded impeach joe biden. he said this. a never-ending investigation into hunter biden's laptop in all these other -- than a really serious about

governing unfortunately. i don't know if that case has been met really on the other side. >> james are making some reactions. i'm going to come to you on that one really quickly before i go to something that harris said that is imported which is the culture war. if you become a member of the house, are you -- >> come on, come on. >> that's not get ahead of ourselves. we'll see what happens on tuesday. if you become a member of the, house for, what are you willing to stand up to the republicans, the leadership of the republican party who are saying they want to impeach joe biden, are gonna go along with that? >> i have no reason to one to impeach joe biden. i feel sorry for a lot of the things he's done. i'm a positive guy, trying to assume the best intentions. so when i look at a lot of the financial crisis, i assume that people made steps with genuine interest to help people. it just hasn't worked, out and that's why i think this isn't

not an evil consortium, i don't -- this is -- i do think it's bad governance and i think i could do a better job and stand up to police and demagogues. i mean, yes, look at me. >> behold you have to account -- herschel walker hasn't spent a lot of time to fight inflation. he has gone big on the cultural issues. he has said trends men playing and women sports is the biggest threat to our democracy. watch this. >> the biggest threat to democracy is [inaudible] [applause] that's the biggest threat to democracy. >> basically, rolling up voters with some issues that affect a very small group of people instead of talking about inflation. what do you make of what he said? >> i don't even know how to respond to that. i don't know how to respond to much of what herschel walker says because it's not reality

based for herschel walker to prospectively come into the senate with the prospect of cutting social security, social security is an earned benefit. americans pay into that, and it would do nothing to curve inflation. some of these ideas for example, but we don't talk about is that under president biden's administration, i think they trimmed the deficit by 1.4 trillion dollars. so i think we should deal in reality here. unfortunately, herschel walker just seems to parrot the same lines that republicans do trying to stirrup a culture war that is simply doesn't exist. this idea of, i look, i don't even want to go there because it's really -- it's insulting to the american people and insulting to georgia voters to think that they're going to vote on some narrow

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are new. in brazil, bolsonaro, who just recently lost his reelection bid, has refused to concede. in italy, the new prime minister, georgia maloney has spread talking points associated with fascism. and now in israel, the long serving the could read, or benjamin netanyahu has returned to. power while he is standing trial in three separate corruption cases. but most important is how netanyahu regained power. he forged an alliance with the far religious -- and zionism. which includes the nationalist party. whose leader, is a party to, outerwear has called for a loyalty tests of palestinian citizens and forced deportations of those deemed to be political enemies. one of those leaders is likely to be named benjamin that yahoo producer public security. who washington post reports that david duke of israel, as one commentator dumped, and first came into prominence as a

19 year old in 1995 in the wake of a peace deal with the palestinians signed by israeli prime minister itzhak robyn. and outraged been gunfire -- we caught the car! we'll get to rubbing too. weeks later, robbyn was assassinated by right-wing israeli extremist. ben-gvir was not connected to the killing though he can pain for the assassins released from prison. according to reuters, who was convicted in 2007 of racist incitement in support for grip on both the israeli and the united states terror blacklist's. the man who could be in charge of israel's police and public security was convicted of supporting a terrorist group. the anti-defamation league said last month that bin could veers coalition role, we believe such a development would be corrosive to in cereals

founding principles and standing among its strongest supporters. which brings us to now, according to axios u.s. secretary of state with -- jake sullivan hinted at the possibility of not working with -- coalition building can be a messy business. politics makes for strange bed fellows, absolutely, i get it. but it can make for bed fellows who hold racist extremist beliefs. you may recall that in -- failed to form a government and he was forced to see a centrist take power. now after that loss, netanyahu could've moderated, he could've had a moment of self reflection. he could've appealed to a host of different voting blocks in israeli politics and tried to shift to the center. he didn't do that. no, instead he pivoted, he went

even further to the right, cozying up as close as possible to avowed extremists. i explained all this because one of the things he shows us is -- war from one another, what trump first practiced here in north america was recycled by bolsonaro in brazil. and as the midterms loom, i worry what netanyahu is practicing in israel may come here. that is if it hasn't already done so. considering just a few short years, the trajectory of marjorie taylor greene as the associated press notes, once shunned as a political pariah for her extremist rhetoric, the georgia congresswoman who spent her first term in the house stripped of her institutional power by democrats is being celebrated by republicans and welcomed into the gop fold. far-right extremism begets far-right extremism. unfortunately, in far too many

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>> that was nbc news correspondent sam brock tuesdays midterms featured -- elected superintendents across 100 plus scores of gubernatorial and legislative post bat we'll incredible influence over customs. these races are becoming new battlegrounds for culture war fights, encouraged by republican politicians and conservative parents. former trump officials -- mobilizing conservatives around the unified republican school of agenda. one that bans books and conversations about lgbtq themes and race. school board candidates have received millions of dollars from conservative packs. these elections will decide the people who said in supervised a school project, developed policy, respond to angry parents in hours long public meetings. the stakes of their work are higher than ever. my panel is back with. me don, i will start with. you are seeing this conservative push, try to push

an agenda that targets lgbtq students and discussions on race in gender. what if they continue to wield the power at this hyper local level. >> i think it's the value of a broad base -- you heard from the teachers, earlier in that spot, when i talk to teachers, they're concerned about what they do in the classroom. they barely have time to focus on the core activities in the classroom. let alone these other subjects that become the hotbed. so imagine an educator wondering to choose a book for a classroom but not being able to choose the book because the book has been banned by a small group of parents that got themselves onto a school board, that's what we're facing is a public education for our students as well -- to teach them the critical

thinking skills they need to go out into this 21st century. that's being undermined by this movement by conservatives injecting themselves into public education. >> tara, how did school boards become this politicized? i remember when was a high school student in georgia they were in this pella just sized. the it seems that there been an explosion of activism in the last couple of years. >> targeting school boards have been part of the republican grassroots agenda for decades. many, many, many moons ago, when i was a trainer for ago pack, one of the tenants of our training for state and local gop groups was to focus on small local races and school boards. the school boards were also a stepping stone to higher office in those states that eventually congress or senate, or whatever, because they allow you to have hyper local issues. you can have your ear to the

ground, but your parents want, and pants can be a powerful mobilizing group of constituents. you can remember back after 9/11, in the midterms there, the last time a sitting presidents party one seats in 2002, it was security mobs. soccer moms. now, republicans are talking about parental rights. what they have been laying this foundation for years. and in the pandemic, they saw an opportunity with the pandemic and school closings and -- the anti vax movement, this idea that parents not having control over their children, republicans use that as -- to amplify the culture war issue. and it's been working for them. democrats had not had a sufficient response to this because they've been behind the eight ball as far as organizations. dead there are parents that are trying to push back against this. i live in northern virginia and -- northern virginia has been the

ground zero for experimenting on this messaging and we saw how it worked for glenn youngkin. so this is not going away. and i think -- you saw it in new jersey last year also as how close the new jersey race was. -- this bogeyman of security and other things. this is something, this is an area of weakness for democratic messaging and i hope they figure out a way to push back against it because it could cost them some very close races in tighter districts this time around. >> james, jump in here, give me your thoughts. something that's often missed from this conversation is that learning loss, students are still facing due to the pandemic something that is real and serious, how can and should education officials -- learning losses while they're having these kind of bogeyman conversations >> i'm glad i got to chime in on this, i had 17 years from london to the south bronx all -- three degrees in education.

this is -- i find it odd that you immediately project that parents are the villains for their involvement in -- must be [inaudible] as a possible that public schools are not meeting their needs, that we feed come to condition to high stakes testing and we've become to conditions that pushes every kid to college whether they need to go or not and we have a nation rolling in college loan debt but we're not making the connection. we have kids that don't have critical thinking but -- and your grandparents wear, but we own your kids. so you can't go anywhere else. what are you going to do? in my school administration, that's not the mentality but that's -- that's the messaging that's come across, these parents are domestic terrorists and their violence.

and -- rip into teachers and their groomers and all these things like that. we have to have a symbiotic relationship with -- will have a lot of -- >> avalon respect for you. no one said that on this panel. and you brought up some serious issues with the education system that are all very valid. your party is not doing that. your party is talking about banning books about trans and gay -- >> am i [inaudible] >> hold on, don't deflect. your party is the one that is making this about bogeyman that looks like this are gonna ruin our kids. you're bringing up valid issues about poverty and education how we address the. things those are valid. nobody criticize the parents, per se republican parties out airtight ban, books trying to -- don't say gay and trans kids and all of that stuff, herschel walker saying it's a threat to democracy for kids to play trans kids to play sports. do you agree with herschel

walker on that? that it's a threat to democracy? >> no, i'm not gonna call transports a threat to democracy. republicans are bending books, but liberals were banning where twain and to kill a mockingbird. am i missing about? that i'm not saying that that absolves the republicans for doing. that but there is some books that -- my? wrong or maybe there are some [inaudible] where >> it's a bit more nuanced than that, unfortunately. we're dealing with a racial reckoning in our country where we're trying to move ourselves forward and try to have a better understanding of the language we use to talk about racial equity in this country. not exactly the same -- not exactly the same as trying to scare kids with words. >> [inaudible] if you would like to discuss crtc, i would be glad. two >> we would love to have you back on the show. we would love to have you back on the show. unfortunately, we're running out of time. but i will tell you, what we are very happy to have you, and

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