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at 9 am eastern. plus, abortion rights forces, defeating -- sealing kentucky's fate as a abortion free state. the one who ran the campaign to save it in campuses, is -- we talk to her later this hour. >> men, it's not something you usually need to do to prepare for election day, but this year i think a lesson on these grand meaning of gaslighting is in order. that's coming up. velshi starts now. good morning to you, it is sunday, november 6th. i'm ali velshi. we are two days away from election day, the first results of the 2022 midterms. this election will determine how the balance of power will shift in congress, and state leadership across the country. which is gonna lay the groundwork, and have crucial implications for the 2024 elections historically in the mid term, the sitting president almost always loses seats in congress.

that's a pattern democrats are looking to break but it may be difficult considering their slumber jordy's in both dreamers of congress. republicans needed a total of -- cook political report, 212 seats leaning in republicans favor, with 35 additional seats considered [inaudible] democrats can't really afford to lose a single seat in the evenly divided senate, it's looking will control the senate will be determined by how a handful of how the coveted race it's shake out. we're in a -- majority of republicans on the ballot this year, 291 candidates. questioned, denied, lied, about the legitimacy of the results of the 2020 election. some have already begun casting doubts about this year's midterms, and whether or not they will accept the results of baylor's. on top of all of this, plessis an insurrection on his way out

of the white house is reportedly planning to run suspects we. those plans are third, as the hours of donald trump. [inaudible] plessis could still, change this doesn't track anyone. campaigning is always been donald trump's favorite part of politics because of all the eagle stroking that comes along with that. and he's hit the campaign trail pretty hard in several states in the lead up to this year's midterms. that's because he stands to benefit if republicans take control. so many election deniers that trump's lackeys will have an outsized influence in congress, and state housing across the country plessis. if a handful of officials in states split out of the efforts plessis, we would be in a different cote place right now and a different looking country.

now they have a chance of replacing the people who brought up against his anti-democratic efforts to years ago and closely watched competitive races this year are in the seven states that trump's team targeted. if you remember -- a club of doug doocy went viral because he declined to take a call from then president trump as he was certifying arizona's election results. the officials ignored trump schemes in 2020 but that was the top three posts this year and bloomberg news found that [inaudible] e more than 60 times in the past year, across for social

media pages. arizona's republican secretary of state, wanting to be arizona's top election officials. he attended one of the rallies in d.c.. later photographed outside of the capital as the mob rioted inside. bill in the state legislature, decertifying the vote from arizona's three biggest counties and they ranked it as a toss-up making their way to the state house, claiming to be the real electors. proceeding with their work inside to officially certify joe biden's victory toqueville, been the target of many deaths and even the actual kidnapping plot. this year she's running against

two thirds nixon. stroking public distrust, voter fraud and other conspiracy theories. while trump's fake electors scheme is focused on baker, t.j. knew sixth insurrection was based on the idea that congress summers would raise objections to the legitimacy of the election results, the states that were targeted for the fake electors scheme. one of the enduring images from the morning of january 6th was a major -- missouri senator josh, raising his fist in support of those protesting election results. holly is not up for reelection. but he could be joined by more election deniers. including adam laxalt who nevada current called quote the original baseless big lie lula. [inaudible] signed a letter with 120 other generals and admirals saying that donald trump won the election. and recent polling trends show

that bald man have been on an upward swing against their incumbent democratic opponents, with cook even lacking -- has a toss-up. joining me now he's brand, columnist and editor of msnbc, and speed bannon, produce of the maple rachel maddow show. author of quote [inaudible] governing, seizing american politics. thanks for being here with us. hayes brown, let me start with you. i continue to be amazed. talking to voters in these halls states. i continue to be amazed by the degree to which the liars, are in close races. toss-ups with the opponents. what that the democrats are incumbents or challengers. i don't know how you read it. >> i mean it is incredible

[inaudible] the trump team targeted in 2020, it's because their swing state. that a purple state overall. state that have a strong amount of control of the state government, by republicans, statewide doesn't devote democrats. the fact that there are so close for facts that divide. i think that what is fascinating is, when you look at the number of the members of congress, up for reelection in gerrymandered districts, that makes sense [inaudible] won the primary in the very same districts and they're going back, looking ahead to 2020 for how they can help put trump back should he [inaudible] of the secretary of state level you can understand why those the greater interest. they were able to sneak onto the ballot in some cases.

voting in the member of congress, overlooking that race. there's a lot that can happen, it's a lot that can surprise us hopefully by the better. >> steve bannon, i'm no steve kornacki. i probably could not describe you, it's important to note that vindman speeds have different roles. some states are elected, some states they're appointed. in this [inaudible] you're counting arizona michigan and [inaudible] pennsylvania, that's not a race. it's an appointed position. but you added pennsylvania to that mix, you have four states

where you have deniers or governors who can win the election, could install a denier in that spot. these are places where the presidential election in 2024 could be decided. >> that's exactly right. i think you're not alone and not being able to identify that secretary of state. that's common across the country. relatively obscure [inaudible] but as you know this year is a different story, i think when we look ahead, [inaudible] who's dispensable tell trying, so to find the results. it's all the more significant, republicans and nominated extremists. video craig pots, people who are out of their mind when it comes to elections. that combination creates a very scary scenario, they have to pay more attention to these races.

>> let's take a look at the governor races. as, anna michigan, fall into those categories. kari lake is the poster child for election deniers. today dixon against putin will more, pennsylvania, doug mastriano, republicans went to arizona to watch out they did the products to take lessons on the whole thing. he's running behind his opponent, and in wisconsin, the republican candidate running against the democrat, says that if he wins, republicans will never lose the election in the state. four states that, why they're saying the quiet part out loud. >> that's particularly troubling because what the thing is true. the state level, they've managed to so thoroughly gerrymandered that stayed, and the state legislature level. if republicans were to win a bare majority of the vote, two thirds control, of the legislature, that's not going

anywhere. what is hard to rub around is the role that the legislators would plea, in future attempts by trump to, you know, put himself into office. [inaudible] 2020, it was not just to get members of congress to put up that doubts that the election is -- he wanted to send it back to those bids supposedly legislatures could act, and they could send this to electoral college this vote. more pliable stepper [inaudible] when the main reasons why the plumfield was because it came too late. the people of already voted, we can't change this post facto. but if they changed it to the 2024 election, how they appoint their electors, that could be crucial. >> we may not know who's going

to control the senate on tuesday night. that might take a couple nights. what were most closely looking at is arizona, new hampshire, nevada, and this constant, ron johnson's there, vying for first place among election deniers. running against mandela barnes in nevada. they're in a tight race. georgia is what we've been watching most closely. warnock forces herschel walker. it doesn't hurt him. herschel walker is the subtext on a book called the death of shame. it doesn't matter what herschel walker does, he raises more money, his ranking, his ratings, his polling [inaudible] >> those senate races in particular, ties in nicely with democracy. he's right. these races are at the state level, governors of, the state attorney general, those are incredibly important this year.

after january 6th, he's up to senators, certifying joe biden's election victory. the more we have instances in which -- and that happened by the way, saw seven republican senators, voting against certification. because josh hardly as you mentioned, the more we see those ranks grow. the more we seem to like herschel walker, and others, get elected to senate, if they win, they're never gonna vote against certification. also they have publicly admitted that they're running a platform. [inaudible] greater threat to democracy. >> guys, thanks so much, this is a lot of analysis but it's necessary because there's a lot of elections coming up. i hope this motivated all of you think of nothing to say in this election, to vote on tuesday if you haven't done so already. his brown as a columnist for msnbc daily, steve bannon is the editor of the maddow bog,

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pennsylvania, three presidents can vote on the battleground state ahead of the midterm elections. biden reunited with barack obama in philadelphia and saturday where they campaigned affect the states democratic nominees for senate and governor. john fetterman and josh

shapiro. across the state, and the city of latrobe, trump hit the -- moment i was. mehmet oz boasted he'd be a better senator ben retired pat toomey, who voted to convict trump in his 2021 impeachment trial after the january 6th insurrection. joining me now is joshua burns in philadelphia. joshua, good morning to you. in the city where it's been a great deal of my time. what is the situation that this morning and in the areas around you after that rally last night? >> ali all the presidents rallies all in pennsylvania. the events really underscoring the outside importance of the keystone state [inaudible] for their party, pennsylvania is ground zero in the battle, to win control of congress. and where these presidents rallied is important to pay attention to. look for democrats. thrown out here in philadelphia

and surrounding suburbs. that's why they need to win big. and tried to make a play for the suburbs, really focusing on an issue of crime. i've been talking to these voters in this area. crime and public safety is a huge concern, for suburban women here. but oz isn't trying to paint himself as a martyr -- endorsed by trump, that's how he got largely the republican nomination, how he got to where he is today. and last, night he was rallying with him. the question is, is that going to help or hurt oz as he tries to focus on the moderate lane? and the messages from the two different rallies last night, important to listen to i want you to hear this contrast. >> the right to choose is on the ballot. the right to vote is on the ballot.

security and medicare is on the ballot. but if something else on the ballot, characters on the ballot. >> this is the final presentation. and we all speak with one voice regardless over party. there's no place in america for political violence. no place. >> with an up and down by liquid number seen before, crazy nancy pelosi's political career once and for all -- [inaudible] nobody can be stupid to cheat that we'll. nobody's ever cheated [inaudible] stupid, they have their answers, they hate the country. there's only one. here either stupid or they hate our country. >> ali, i can feel the swing of

election officials across in that soundbite there, talking about chilling. this is a concern of the safety of election workers. the city commissioner here in philadelphia, told me about how she had died a conversation with homeland security. out of an election date, that is where the political climate is. she had to level up security so much more than they ever had to protect not only the integrity of the election in the ballots but also the workers themselves. >> thank you very much for joining me this morning, philadelphia, dr. burns in pennsylvania. diving into the latino vote. it was one of the fastest-growing votes in the country. but forget what you thought you knew but latino votes as a group. why the common wisdom is wrong. next. rong next

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and nevada. since the last midterm election in 2018, and additional 5 million eligible hispanic voters were added to the voting roles, according to the pew research center. that number represents 62% of the total vote of all eligible voters. as a voter turnout has increased, some are surprised by the increase and republican support among latino voters. while latino voters in arizona helped president biden secure his presidential bid, former president trump made significant gain among hispanic voters in florida and texas. and more latinos who voted for trump in 2020 than did in 2016. they saw exit polling data, 32% of latino voters cast their ballot for trump in 2020, compared to 28% in 2016. an increase that can make all the difference in tight races. some people are questioning the perceived eroding support for democrats among latinos. in fact, the myth of a monolithic hispanic vote is

simply that, it's a meth. latino voters represent a diverse demographic, they're both based on personal experience, for example, cuban americans and venezuelans, they see the perceived threat of socialism as top of their agenda. meanwhile, for mexican americans, in texas, secured voters are a top concern. my colleague explores the critical voting bloc and msnbc's, the field report, here is a preview. >> with voters here was your campaign slogan, got, a family, and country. what does that mean to you? [speaking spanish] i would not be wham today if it wasn't because i live in prayer. >> i welcome paula ramos, host of nbc and see -- it airs tonight at 10 pm eastern. good to see you, my friend, thank you for being with us. given the language we use when they tried to do it right, when i talk about latinos and

hispanics as a voting bloc, it's just not true. >> it's not, i mean, just look at this picture. this is why you're absolutely right, they're not a monolith, people look like me, but there is also 3 million -- 1 million indigenous latinas, latinas are the fastest growing groups of evangelical americans, also the fasting growing group of muslim americans. if you look at -- they're more likely to say that we are queer than any other demographic in the country. at least a quarter of latinos also are republicans, that trend is increasing and increasing. even if you just zoom into the issue, you'll see that an overwhelming majority of latinos a vote for democrats, that will continue to be true for a really long time. you start seeing, they are starting to peel off when it comes to border security, crime, and the economy. and that seems to continue to increase. let me answer your question,

it's really hard. >> i wanna go a little deeper into this, you wrote about it so well in atlantic article recently there is no such thing as latino vote. how i'm often asked, and so many latinos would be willing to vote for trump after he spoke for years an office maligning them? in some ways, it's an insulting question, because it presumes that not latinos know our interest better than we do, it's ridiculous to imagine that latinos all think about the same way. there are more than 60 million of us representative of different national groups with different accents, histories of migration, and cultural taste. as such a varied group ever formed a solid block? the answer has to be no? >> no, i mean, i think we have consistently voted the same way. i think donald trump suddenly start to question that pattern. you said it extremely well, suddenly with donald trump, i mean, some people said he got almost ten points more in 2020 than in 2016, he did better in almost every single latino county across the country. even in new york city, he did

better in the bronx, right? among the -- so, this whole notion of starting to be questioned, because donald trump did something, right? he basically told any single latino, closeted republican latino those out there for a year's was on record, voting for democrats, in their heart, perhaps you're more conservative, those people, he allowed them to come out. -- in ways that we don't want to see, but that is happening. >> i suppose the farther you get away from immigration, and there is been latinos who are a, nine, ten generations, you go to texas or arizona or new mexico, you meet them. but the farther you are away from it, the more you get to choose from across the normal scope of ideological and political questions. if you are closer to it, what i found is if you talk to people from a lot of latin american countries, socialist governments, their big issue was socialism or communism, that tends to push them towards republicans and the united

states. others are, as you say, concerned about immigration, some would like more liberal immigration policies, and someone like tighter borders. but even on what they might consider some of their main driving issues, they are not the same thing. >> it's not the same thing, right? i mean, the top issue has always been consistently the economy. the number one issue. talk about latinas, it's immigration, that's not true. republicans have figured out that if, they're different hmong different circles of latinos. one thing that really works, it's fearmongering. fearmongering doesn't just work for right voters, it also works for latinos. -- so, they figured out and a place like florida, to references that socialism message and the communism fear, weaponize that to the different -- in south texas, they weaponize the evangelical message to drive the most extremist, conservative values among latinos, right? they radicalized certain

segments. anywhere across the country, you see the evangelical churches, that really tapping into latino voters. virginia, the crime issue, of the fearmongering, it is really just -- that's one thing that is consistent. the strategy of creating fear also works. >> i just want to make sure that if one of its gets canceled it's me, i inadvertently plagiarized you on your behalf, i said the article, i quoted it in the atlantic, i said it is by -- i know that it's the view you have on this matter, i wanted to say that, 1:00 that for my viewers. looking for where that comes from. thank you for a story that i suspect you might get bored of telling, but it's a necessary story to tell, termite people that there aren't very many voters left in this country, if you think, it's not fair to make latinas until one of them. good to see you, my friend, as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> paula ramos, you can catch the latest episode of fieldwork

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since october 10th, vladimir putin's army has a pummeled energy infrastructure. last monday, water, it cut out water to huge swaths of the city, some 80% of the city. we saw images, residents going out to wells, trying to stock up on water. but this city remarkably, things to about 1000 engineers and technicians were able to get that electricity and that water backup within about 24 hours. but for some reason, the russian military has kind of federalized mondays, and they use monday as the day to attack civilian infrastructure. what the european commissioner, the head of the european commission has called a war crime. attacking civilian infrastructure deliberately, it is nothing to do with frontline battle, you know, that is considered a war crime by the commission. this is something a lot of people here are just ready and waiting for. it happens every week. now, there was this new york times report saying there could be a mass evacuation. i spoke with the mayor's office, with this city administration, they said that this is not

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strengthen abortion rights this year, it with ballad initiatives that would enshrine abortion rights into state constitutions. kentucky, however, is not one of them. in fact, it is looking to do the exact opposite. this week, people in kentucky's will vote on the ballot measure known in the state as amendment to, it's a proposal to amend kentucky state constitution to explicitly express that, quote, nothing in this constitution shall be construed to secure or protect our right to abortion or require the funding of abortion, and quote. it's someone a number of ways to the antiabortion initiative that was defeated in kansas back in august. both proposals were approved for the ballot by state legislatures last year, before the supreme court overturned roe v. wade this june and both are attempts to make it more difficult for supporters to challenge the states abortion laws. now and far into the future. four other states are previously adding similar

antiabortion moments to state constitutions. those happened long before the fall of roe. and like the kansas ballot measure, the outcome of the kentucky vote will give a sense of how sentiments around abortion rights have changed since the supreme court's decision. if amendment to passes and kentucky, it will have an immediate effect, making it more difficult for the parties that are currently suing the state in order to block its draconian abortion bans. right now, kentucky has one of the strictest abortion bans in the country. it is completely illegal, unless the pregnant person's life or health is in serious risk, and that is-limited and vague in terms of legal threshold, it doesn't really provide any clarity or guidance for medical professionals who would be punished for performing the procedure if they got it wrong, according to the attorney general. kentucky first implemented that trigger ban on june 24th, just hours after roe fell, abortion rights supporters initially had some success and blocking of enforcement of the band earlier

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interim executive deputy director of the aclu of kentucky, one of the groups challenging abortion bans on behalf of the states abortion providers. also with us as rachel sweet, campaign manager project kansas, the group leading the effort to defeat the antiabortion amendment. she also previously served as the campaign manager of kansans for constitutional freedom, which succeeded in defeated a similar effort in kansas this august. welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you for having us. >> rachel, let me start with you, you ran both the kansas and the kentucky campaigns. what is the difference between the two states? the campaigns? and the electorates? did you have to change up your strategy for kentucky? >> yeah, that is a great question. so, these are two states we

know are obviously, if you look purely at the numbers, they have electoral results for candidates, these are two states that are relatively conservative. however, we know this issue does not fall neatly along a partisan political lines. for most voters, abortion is not a partisan issue, it's a personal issue, it's a medical issue, and it's something they believe politicians should stay out of. in kentucky, the number of registered democrats and republicans is actually much closer to 50/50 than it was in the state of kansas. and we're also dealing with the fact that this issue is on a general election ballot as opposed to the primary election bought that we had in kansas. so, we are gonna have to do a lot more to mobilize and activate voters who are particularly motivated by this issue of abortion. but if kansas told us anything, it's that having an issue on the ballot where voters can make their voices heard directly instead of just voting for candidates who have complex physicians on a lot of issues, it really does activate and mobilize voters who typically don't participate in the political process.

we still see that as an opportunity to deal with a bigger electorate to start with here in kentucky. >> amber, i was trying to my introduction in the last block to make this is clear is that can be, it's complicated, because your various abortion bans and then you have this amendment. aclu kentucky's party to the lawsuit challenging the existing ban and kentucky. arguments for that are scheduled for the week after election day. explain to me how the outcome of this ballot question on tuesday will effect the -- >> i think you explained it pretty clearly in the introduction, they could not be higher for tuesday. amendment to -- an abortion in -- it is caused by a. so, of course after what happened with the dobbs decision over the summer, we can no longer point to the federal constitution and abortion rights there. we've had to pivot our fight to the state court. and so, kentucky has a strong

constitution, in no, there are strong rights to privacy, there is a strong right to self determination, meaning kentuckians have the right to determine their own path. that includes the right to reproductive freedom, which of course includes access to abortion. so, kentucky state constitution is our best and strongest legal role that we have an order to restore and protect access to abortion here in kentucky moving forward. it's amendment to, if it were to pass, we would lose that ability. we'd be looking even more intently than we already are to combat the folks in washington, d.c., to codify abortion rights into federal law so residents in kentucky or wherever in the united states can have access to this essential health care. >> rachel, there was a wildly active misinformation and disinformation effort in kansas in the lead up to the vote. i was in michigan two weeks ago

where they had proposal three, if you do the opposite of what kentucky tried to do, it would codify abortion rights in the state constitution. but there's also misinformation campaign there. you spoke to a number of conservatives who said, well, this is going to allow transgender kids to get gender reassignment surgery without their parents consent, that is just not true, that's nowhere in this proposal. but you do have to consent with things like this in kentucky. >> absolutely, so, the antiabortion movement is continuing to lie about the impact of their policy because they know their policies are unpopular, they have banned abortion, as we discussed, and nearly every instance. not providing exceptions for rape and incest. they provide-limited exceptions for one woman's life is at risk. they know their policies are outside of the mainstream, not just for kentucky voters, but for voters across the country. so, instead of going on the merits of their issue, they have to lie. they have to put language and

ballot measures that says things like taxpayer funded abortion. taxpayer funded abortion is nothing in kentucky or any part of this country in a conservative state. they really want to bring up hearing zaidi about things about this topic that make voters most uncomfortable. so, our job as protect kentucky access, it is really to cut through the noise and make it clear what this proposal does. some marginal change or going around the edges of this issue, this is about what women and kentucky have today, and why they will be able to determine their path, health care, and that's what is at stake in this election. we have to be louder, we have to be more clear and consistent, and really just make sure that we're cutting through the noise and making this clear for voters. there is a lot of misinformation that have to combine. >> unlike kansas, where the state supreme court previously found that abortion is protected under the state constitution. kentucky doesn't have that same

production. this abortion ballot measure is not going to change that. it's basically about keeping the status quo, and republicans still have control of the state houses. so, that is not going to end. let's talk about what rachel was just talking about, the future of legal challenges as a result. you said you'd have to shift your focus to state court. but does that increase your chances are less than your chances? what does it do? >> well, again, you know, the challenge is that we use to fight at the federal level, after dogs, we have had to go to the state court. now, again, kentucky has a very strong constitution, we believe we have a strong case, we've been up and down since the summer. the kentucky court system, and orders sitting at the level of the kentucky supreme court. our team is preparing for oral arguments, which are scheduled for november 15th. what we're hoping for is a

temporary injunction. meaning that we hope abortion access can be restored and kentucky, while we litigate with our co-counsel at planned parenthood. we'll see what happens. whenever the kentucky supreme court weighs in on this and set the oral argument date, they were very clear, and the ruling they said kentuckians are gonna have their opportunity to voice their opinion on this issue on november 8th. it's very clear the justices of the kentucky supreme court are also going to be watching what happens on tuesday, very closely. and that will have an impact on our ability to be successful and restoring abortion access. >> i'm grateful to both of you for spending some time within this morning, to explain this important issue. rachel sweet is a campaign manager for protects kentucky access, and bird to kick is the deputy director for the aclu of kentucky. don't go anywhere, we're two days away from midterm elections, there were seconds away from a brand-new nbc ne