meaning that we hope abortion access can be restored and kentucky, while we litigate with our co-counsel at planned parenthood. we'll see what happens. whenever the kentucky supreme court weighs in on this and set the oral argument date, they were very clear, and the ruling they said kentuckians are gonna have their opportunity to voice their opinion on this issue on november 8th. it's very clear the justices of the kentucky supreme court are also going to be watching what happens on tuesday, very closely. and that will have an impact on our ability to be successful and restoring abortion access. >> i'm grateful to both of you for spending some time within this morning, to explain this important issue. rachel sweet is a campaign manager for protects kentucky access, and bird to kick is the deputy director for the aclu of kentucky. don't go anywhere, we're two days away from midterm elections, there were seconds away from a brand-new nbc news

polling, breaking down exactly where the fight for congress stands. and another hour of velshi begins right now. begins right now as some day november the 6th, or two days away from election day, 2022. we begin this hour with brand-new nbc news polling showing where things stand ahead of tuesday. there is some good and bad news for each party. when it comes to control of congress, it is the dead he with 47% of registered voters wanting democrats and 47% warning republicans, essentially unchanged from last month. however, an overwhelming number of voters say the country is heading in the wrong direction. 72% compared to just 21% who say things are going in the right direction. 47% of voters say they want to, quote, great deal of change in the direction that president biden's leading the country, more than during the first terms of president donald trump and barack obama and bling --

bill clinton. as for biden, 40% of registered voters approve of his job performance, while 53% disapprove. threats to democracy remain the most important issue amongst voters, with the economy a close second, followed by cost of living, abortion, and the border. as for the state of the economy, just 19% of registered voters say they are satisfied, while 81% say they are dissatisfied. like i said, there is some good news for democrats. back in october, republicans held a nine percentage point advantage over democrats when it came to high-level interest in the midterms. as you can see, that is now a tie at 73%. joining me now to help break and understand all of this new data we're just getting him is nbc news senior political editor, mark marie. mark, good morning to you, thank you for joining us. obviously you've been spending the last while pouring through the data, the cross tabulation. tell me what stands out to this new polling. >> i think there's two very big stories. first, it's the one that you

actually did touch, on how democrats have caught up in election interest from our most recent pullback in october, yeah, republicans with a nine-point edge an enthusiasm. now, democrats have pulled even on that score. in a lot of ways, ali, that reminds me of what happened in 2018, which was a really good midterm environment for democrats when donald trump was president. but after the fight over brett kavanaugh supreme court nomination, republicans ended up getting fired up. they ended up drawing close to even with democrats in the enthusiasm. they won back the house, one key statewide contest, republicans actually held their own and very tough races. but the other takeaway is just the overall grim environment that democrats are facing with president biden's approval rating at 44%. you mentioned 81% of voters saying there is somewhat or very dissatisfied with the economy, and seven in ten who believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction, those traditional fundamentals

usually point to a really tough midterm environment for the party in power, in this case it's democrats. ali, i think lunacy these two forces a play, fired up democrats, certainly more fired up than we saw when they held power in 2010 and 2014. but also some very tough overall fundamental that do suggest republicans making some gains. also, remember to, this is not a national contest in a way. these races that we're covering are going to be fought congressional district by congressional district. state by state. we are not gonna probably know for days, if not even weeks with the final score is going to be. >> obviously it the economy always ranks as a high issue, it does hear, when you combine the interest of top issues of democrats and republicans, democracy is at the top of that list. unlike the economy, what your fear of democracy is depends on what story you believe about democracy right now. >> ali, i mean, the people who say threat to democracy is the number one issue are disproportionately democrats.

you are right, the republicans who answer threat to democracy have a different take away of what that means versus democrats. but i do think there are two ways to read our number one issue heading into the midterm. yes, once again, threats to democracy is number one. this has been consistent after months of pulling. when you add up jobs in the economy, and cost of living, if you add those up into one economic bucket, that actually ends up surpassing threat to democracy. what we've seen in our polls and others, they have the advantage when it comes to the economy. >> mark, let me ask you about the economy, because it ranks number two and number three, jobs in the economy, and inflation, tell me what that means when you see those as number two a number three, it does that add up to be bigger the number one? >> yeah, again, i think there's two ways to look at it, you can actually add them up and say, the economy overall when you add those two as the number one issue. all polls have actually wanting to put those two into separate

buckets. inflation is different than economic direction. i would add, ali, republicans have had the advantage with both cost of living and the jobs in the economy, what party would better handle that issue. >> mark, thanks very much, good to see you. senior political editor for nbc news, we appreciate you joining us this morning. joining me now, very special guest, jonathan capehart, host of the sunday show right here on msnbc, associate to the washington post. we talk every sunday, we are never in person with one another. it's amazing to see you, my friend. let's pick up on what mark said there about cost of living. he said republicans have the edge on this particular topic. we've seen them do, that they've gone out there and continue to hammer home the fact that inflation is a serious concern, thanks to the biden administration. and i have no interest in carrying water for the biden ministration, i've gone out there and said that if you believe that to be true, then you must believe that joe biden and the democrats run the world. because there's 100 countries that have inflation higher then

the u.s.. it's a global issue. republicans have taken it, they've run within, and according to the polling, successfully. >> right, because it's easy to do, gas prices are high, prices are high in the supermarket, and so, what do republicans do? and democrats would do this if there was a republican in the white house, you blame the party in power, particularly, you blame the president. it's easy for republicans to hammer home, despite all the things that you say about inflation being global. actually, we're doing better then -- >> better than the european union, better than the uk, better than spain, better than other ones, better than germany, but that does not resonate with anybody in america. >> right. very few people. it's easy for the republicans to hammer away at the democrats and the president on the issue of the economy. but that's not to say that democrats have not been running and having part of their speech is the, look at what is going on with the economy, jobs are

high, wages have been increased. but we don't hear that that's what they're talking about, but it would be malpractice for any candidate, i think democrats to talk about the good economy. >> they say it on tv, the problem democrats have right now is that they also have to talk about the existential threat to democracy, which is really real. democracy itself could erode on tuesday. i guess when you're piling up your groceries, it is secondary to your actual issues. >> it's secondary, no, when i interviewed john shapiro, the attorney general of pennsylvania who is running for governor and has a huge polling advantage going into tuesday, he says, you know, win pennsylvania can go at the right time. and he needs throughout his speech threats to democracy, but also what that means in terms of the economy. and freedom in pennsylvania. so, there is a way to talk about all of these issues, we

have them all together, so that it's not an either or, either you care about threats to democracy or you care about economy or inflation. democracy >> shapiro has a bit n advantage in that he is running against mastriano who is just a whole bucket of crazy. shapiro is the democratic candidate with the actual support of a lot of republicans in pennsylvania. he is running right ahead of his opponent, and yet fetterman is not running way ahead of oz in that same state. so, how you balance, how you walk and chew gum on this issue becomes a topic. i want to put that main page of the pull up again. jobs in the economy, bring up the point, we saw the game, we saw 261,000 new jobs created on -- unemployment, 3.7%, unusually low. wages are high, which is part of the inflation problem. you have two pieces of the puzzle here, right? people are earning more money, they have jobs, they can demand higher wages. and their costs are higher. >> right, right and, that

doesn't make anyone feel good. it makes them angry. because particularly the gas pump, -- >> they've come down a lot. >> it's quite high, still, they are high. so, american voters can be very -- and very, in a nice way, selfish, because what's coming out of my wallet, what's impacting is the issue of crime. these are issues, crime, the economy, they're all very personal issues. they're emotional issues, emotional in the sense that people vote here. if someone doesn't feel safe, if someone doesn't feel that the economy is going their way, they feel insecure. and then you add on top of it that you have crazy on the ballot all over the country, people feel unsteady. and we're gonna find out on tuesday, come on, let's be real, ali, none of us, despite the great work in the poll, we won't really know how the american people feel until the

votes are getting counted. you know, look, i think this could be a surprise, this is a midterm election year, usually democratic turnout falls through the floor compared to republican turnout. the fact that there is a record number of voting in georgia, the fact that there is parity in terms of enthusiasm between democrats and republicans going to the midterm elections should be viewed as a good sign, hope for democrats and the polling cannot capture that. >> exactly, that's the thing, that's why, in fact, you and i, people like velshi and capehart on tv, you're gonna get a lot of it. we're doing some tonight, we're doing some on tuesday because we won't know, we can possibly and speculate all we want. but this election is more than most midterms. >> right, right, and that's what's gonna be so, well, that's gonna be what is so fun for later today, but early wednesday morning when we're

sifting through and really getting a view of how the american people are viewing things and where they are pushing the country. >> it is gonna be good to spend a lot of time with you, i hope you might get an up and say, we have a long day ahead of us. good to see you, jonathan, in person, as always. >> ali, great to see. >> jonathan capehart, host of the sunday show. stay tuned, right after velshi for more of the sunday show starting at 10 am eastern. also, as we mentioned, this evening will be on tv, if you're sleepless on the west coast on tuesday night, wednesday morning, or here, will be on tv all night as well. still ahead on velshi, we're heading to wisconsin where center stage in the run for attorney general. i'm going to speak with the attorney general democrat, josh -- on his high stakes rate and every single time donald trump -- sycophants tells you the 2020 election was stolen. it's more than a light, something called gaslighting. can you defend yourself against this deeply harmful psychological manipulation tactic? i am sorry the truth about it. plus, obama hits the campaign trail in pennsylvania.

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away, democratic candidates in pennsylvania knew of his time to bring in heavy hitters. president joe biden and former president barack obama united on the campaign trail in philadelphia, yesterday, for a rally with the states democratic nominee for governor and the u.s. senator, josh shapiro in john fetterman. in a wide ranging speech, obama

emphasized the high importance of voting in these midterm elections. whether or not he like it, as he says, democracy really is on the ballot. >> i understand that democracy might not seem like a top priority right now, especially when you are worried about paying the bills. but went true democracy goes away we see, throughout history, we have seen around the world, and when true democracy goes away people get hurt and it has real consequences. this is not an abstraction. governments starts telling you what books you can read and which ones you can't. residents are getting locked up, reporters start getting locked up if they are not with the party lines. corruption rains because there is no accountability. people get hurt, there are consequences. there is a reason why

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years in prison or a 10,000 dollar fine in the possibility of losing your medical license. the law makes no exceptions for pregnancies that occur as a result of rape or incest, but it does make one exception for what is called therapeutic abortion. a term physicians demarcation, which means that abortion is advised for at least by a least two doctors to save the life of the pregnant person. -- is suing the state to overturn the law and has no plans to enforce it as long as he is in office because according to him, forcing women to get reproductive health care across so alliances, quote, an unacceptable status quo. the republican upon in the race, air tony, says not only would he keep the abortion law if elected, but he would take it one step further and here is what he said in an interview that aired on pbs wisconsin last month. >> we need to give our attorney general the attorney to prosecute without the authority to investigate and i think

another approach would be allowing for adjoining counties to enforce that abortion ban in wisconsin. >> he said those comments, now, you just saw them. when they were brought up at a debate, eric tony was adamant that his words were taken out of context claiming that the point he meant to convey was that attorney general should have the ability to step in and prosecute abortion cases when local districts chose not to. joining me now, the afro mentioned josh -- the democratic attorney general in wisconsin who's up for reelection. attorney general, could see you again, thanks for joining us this morning. let me just ask you about that distinction or debate. whatever tony did say, what he says he meant to stay, what is the distinction for the rest of us? >> it's not entirely clear because he is sort of taken to cite on the same issue. the bottom line is that i have been clear that is long as i am attorney general, we will fight for tore access to legal

abortion is wisconsin. -- from investigating and processing the most serious crimes, diverting that two going after people for abortion? -- he will enforce our draconian abortion ban, he won't rule out cases including rape and incest, and as we just heard he encouraging da's across county lines to prosecute people for abortions making them roving abortion ban in forces. that is chilling for a who may have to make incredibly difficult decisions when pregnancy complications arise who would be endangered to help women who have that idea. >> as long as you are in office, medical professionals can rest assured that you and your office won't enforce a, i can say is, 1849, abortion law. what happens overnight if you're opponent takes office? . our department of justice has about 100 investigators, prosecutors empowering them and

using our resources to go after people for abortion. we don't know what that could mean, but it could mean -- [inaudible] it in the 80s office could be involved working to prosecute doctors, but we cannot allow that to happen. >> you sued over the 1849 law and are trying to overturn us, what is the basis of that lawsuit in what is your likelihood of success? >> we have argued that the laws that we are passed after roe were overturned are fundamentally inconsistent with laws with the 1849 band that you can't have student abortions both legal and illegal. we are arguing that the more recent laws are the ones that -- we have strong arguments, and conservative minority in the a conservative majority majority in the supreme court. -- your opponent said the should

have a prosecutor, not a politician as the top cop. you have tweeted that he would divert resources away from fighting crime in favor the dangerous agenda that could put doctors nurses behind bars. does that resonate with people that actually the attorney general for the department of justice could get sort of possessed by this abortion issue, that's people who could be working on other things that concern your constituents. >> that's right, i'm a former federal prosecutors, i have -- joe traffickers, and getting members behind bars. the last one we should do is shut these -- most serious crimes the -- talk to people who have abortions. it's plain politics of law enforcement. >> we found what people who are have their efforts in michigan, obviously there always has a positive abortion question in on the ballot. can't we also do do something with that in the summer, is our proposal on the books to fix your current abortion law in

the 1840. u.s. meet overturn them, but what is the -- [interpreter] how do you solve this problem for a long term for wisconsin? >> we don't have that process in wisconsin like we do in -- so ultimately [inaudible] through the quarter legislation that changes the status of wisconsin state law. we will keep advocating for changes that we have done, a federal change could help and there would be no option but we will keep fighting all that we can. in the meantime, the closest thing we have to referendum is the vote that will be taking place issues day. >> good thanks, for joining us this morning, i imagine you and everyone else running for election is outdoors this morning so thanks for taking the time to talk to us about this important issue. josh hawley is the democratic 20 general of wisconsin and he is currently running for reelection. coming up, gaslighting, if you think it's around you think about think gantt. many people gasoline our, not by me, i would never ghastly you, or would i?

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in his own right and along with the films popularly metaphor flicker delight. gaslighting is often a modern buzzword but actually factually cited in decades worth of scientific studies. merriam-webster defines gaslighting as the psychological manipulation of a person, usually over an extended period of time, that causes them to question the validity of their own thoughts, perceptions, or reality. if you're thinking, that's earlier adele, with i can show you you're not going crazy. gaslighting habits and romantic relationships, friendships and the office, but one thing that truly makes you question your sanity is the current political cycle on an endless loop since 2015 when a certain someone else that they would be running for the president united states. it's no coincidence that the verb, to gaslight, was most useful and to succeed by the american dialect society in 2016 the same year that trump went from as seen on tv to

presidential flood light. the former president has successfully gas with the nations, from when he successfully convinced americans to like a president in 2021, everything in between he has, convince abilities americans that he had a monopoly on truth. >> they are sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs, crime, rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. but we took to an interview thousand people, none are bad. that's a lie. we have 200,000 people literally around the wall we could started, that was 250,000 people. the best of the 20 block area all the way back to the washington monument was packed. and went to the old motor home and -- i was totally exonerated.

>> do you actually totally exonerate the president? >> no. >> testing so far advance, it's a much bigger and better than any other country that we are going have more cases. we always would have more cases, as i said this morning that's probably the downside of having good testing. you find a lot of cases that other countries who don't even test don't have. if you don't test, you know how many cases. we saw testing right now? we'll have very few cases, if any. that was the original chart, you see u.s. bound to hit down in florida, georgia, and hillary wanted to -- have a windmill anywhere near your house, if ever mill anywhere you have a second it go down 75% value and they say the noise was intense you couldn't tell me that one. [noise] espinosa makes. it's like a gravy graveyard for birds. the one thing i can tell you is this. i will always tell you the

truth. >> that piece of the president former resident referencing a hurricane map was gassaway sharpie, when mark and he change the path of a natural vaster. that those are just some examples of the present lie for no good reason. when it comes matter to you, even you start believing the rich community are matte matte and particularly, as ridiculous as those things we are just seem, the extent is much more dangerous. give incident higher political party, voters lawmakers like, that fact is fiction fiction. he has full population into believing the big lie. gas americans refute the 2020 election and our gas and know the systems that make this country democracy. the goal is to make the victim completely dependent upon the abuser after years of trump's conspiracies, deception, and falsehoods the american party, and many mean many members and

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about former hasn't dens pack pension for gaslighting and how it fuels the division and democracy -- elect in the midterm days away, the anxiety of democracy is palpable. the warning flags going up before trump was even in office are up and fire -- some smelled the smoke for others. here's an essay an excerpt from an essay from one of our next gets guest, sarah mackenzie. if trump loses neither he or his followers will not take it well. some wonder if trump will concede. on august 1st, trump declared

that the election will be rigged. and you have to move to leave delegitimized a possible loss and -- roger stone proclaimed there will be a blood path if the election is stolen. when i interviewed reporters and months march, several told me they would form militias if he did not get the nomination of others heard the same. trump's loss could be a cause that unites to spread hate groups across the country, pull intentionally leading to stay in office he encounter governments like the bundys an oregon or -- neo-nazi rallies. didn't write that about the 2020 election, she wrote that in 2016 before that election. -- gas flip started podcast called ghastly nation. about the corruption in autocracy. they analyzed threats to democracy at home and around the world. the co-hosts of catalysts nation join me, as well as the author for well and --

the and told story of animal farm and the author of several books including they knew, how a controlled culture of conspiracy keeps america can play isn't. welcome to both of you. following your work for a long time all of the horrible things that you have predicted and talked about in podcasts, sarah, are coming true. you saw this coming, you called it by its name, and we are here. we are at a point where people believe the -- and will cast ballots on on tuesday. >> yeah, and we are looking at this you need to not look at only trump and his criminal cohort, but the institutional failure. i think we are seeing a lot of people right now in anxiety over the fact that -- the to avoid accountability. trump announced his plans. -- as you sullen that expert excerpt, that he knew what he

was going to do. there were a number of exit ramps off of this highway to hell in our people chose not to take them. our institutions have also failed us and people turn to their moral compass because that is what i do in this time. especially as in accessed information closes, that's going to be very important. back in 2016 i also wrote another essay about who you are, what you believe in, what are your fall expectations or government. if do you find yourself asking in a way that is strange or unfamiliar two years later remember who you are. it is not as big as that but it is never too late to start. it is part of estimating it, showing who is your sense of psychological security under unwavering ways of abuse and the ghana.

>> it is interesting to see it that way. seeing gaslighting as a form of psychological abuse. andrea, u.s. era have studied this around the world and every expert on fact she-ism, authoritarianism, democracy, says this playbook is almost identical to things we have seen both in history and that are playing out, in fact, right in this moment in a world in which democracy slipping away and weakening. >> yeah, without question. -- the 19th anniversary of the -- if you want to talk about disinformation and outlining it to spectator ship spew out propaganda. >> -- since 1933 stolen and -- has made it was they could, the vast majority in ukraine. -- timothy snyder and then -- genocide. that jim signs repeating 90

years later, still troubling if you look at the dictatorship reports you also -- in order to protect themselves and stay in power and that means, just what trump means, -- the disinformation. you have a takeover -- [inaudible] you have people like elon musk who with various talking point they're taking over our town square center working with each other, where we organize to do our work, where we -- organize, make calls, knock on doors, authoritarians are running for office and -- several in and running for office. the mr. comey talking point starting all of that and is very scary, it's important

happens conversation about dictatorship, gaslighting and how it all works so that people are aware -- >> when people hear this and say, good story, not us, russia is not us, iran is not a, brazil is not us, philippines is not us. what do you say to americans who, right, it's not us but democracy is able to slip away and becomes very, very hard to recover it once you realize we'll just lost it. >> yeah, i mean people always say they didn't realize what was happening here but the thing is that it has happened here. we were not always democracy, we were founded on slavery, native american genocide, and the ideals that we had on paper were very different and in fact the goal should be to record those ideals but one of the greatest weapons of the aspiring autocrat it is time.

it is the ability to run out the clock, that is why andrei and i and so many other scholars on autocracy are warning people back in 2015, 2016 that we need to act fast because every year that goes by you lose the opportunity to defeat this. the battle is not lost because a lot of this is a battle inside your mind. the good thing to keep in mind is that american autocracy is going to look different, of course, and it is in other countries. is going to explain, for example, our entertainment complex. our social media will not be like a repeal of the first amendment it will be algorithmic votes in other ways of trying to control the information people have so that they can make successful decisions based on very narrow and collective information. so i'm worried about a lot of things, and what autocracy, also weighed by violence, wait about the secessionist movement

and someone who lives in missouri in the heart of the country, that kind of talk disturbs me greatly because i think that that might be the overarching -- not in a, hitler stolen, top ten fashion but a bunch of feuding oligarchy's taking advantage of the threat of violence is incredibly vulnerable and terrifies the system regardless of their political affiliations or -- trying to push them towards violence. >> i want to continue this conversation on the other side of the break. andreas, mckenzie, stay with us. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ weathertech gift cards have the power to wow everyone on your holiday list. offering a variety of american made products. weathertech! nice! like floorliners... cargo liner... tablet holder...

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podcast countless nation. and it is chalupa and sarah mackenzie. a, really really, really important point that all the experts that we talk to one democracy or the failure thereof likened shiner and applebaum, can reopen make is that while there are impediments to voting that have been put in place in america elimination of the vote is not the route to the death of democracy. there's a lot of countries in the world where people can vote and they're still down democracy. if you are waiting for the idea that the vote is going to go away to prove that democracy is diminishing america. you're waiting for the wrong thing. >> yeah, absolutely, people are

obsessed with the right to vote because even if you are [inaudible] voting for trump and so what we need to do is to inform ourselves to better educate and study history. five or 20 years there's a drama starring -- about the family in ukraine and all the ways that they try to cover it up to gaslighting, do propaganda, gaslighting, people threw up with republicans threatening our lives in those since i watched this film it struck me how often the american party first party is the party of russia. -- the movement has always been anti america. it was right with hitler back then, and russian fascism today. we have to take that seriously and one way people empower themselves is by going --

into wisconsin. if you want to sign after that we have it had cats live nation. so ghastly nation is always remind people, yes times are scary but we are going to get through it together and we're going to fight for our freedom to abortion and if we fight like how this election finally it lost, we don't do anything else for granted in this election cycle. sarah pointed out we are public official and doj who i should do more to protect us from trump and all those around him and how those people are just can't from reality and -- >> we have a minute left but i would go a little further with this phone -- you've teamed with different groups to canvas and phone bank for candidates in races that have particularly high state sensibility to democracy, when

ella barnes in wisconsin, johnson who is running for big iron chief and conditional congressional candidate in 2027. the u.s. candidate in running against document odds. illinois with indivisible. how do you pick who has more important to democracy than others in this race? >> i'm not involved in, this andrea, you can take this one. >> yes the fact that all of these matter. we have a wonderful -- through her district. we talk to them and we try to see the leadership of what they'll provide and on top of that we have a lot of these experts, runners, corey maxim is a great, who won and his progressive and a huge leap it for the district. emblematic lee these experts we talk about what it means to have democracy, what trump is

up for democracy, in this is all about power. so -- especially the doj should be doing to protect us, including holding trump accountable provided oversight for our democracy and all these documents. they need to do their part as well as we are doing ours. >> thank you for both being with us this morning, we really appreciate the time you taking for our viewers. the co-hosts of gasped nation and author of orwell, refugees and the animal -- >> and the mr. jones film. >> gasoline nation podcast and there is also the author of the new house, a cultural of conspiracy. how a culture of conspiracy keeps america complacent. that does it for me, thanks for watching velshi watch me every saturday and sunday morning 10 am eastern. be sure to come back today for a special airing msnbc midterm election covered with capehart,