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potential 2024 republican or excuse me, ride a potential wave for republicans in tomorrow night's election. so if republicans do well, he wants to take credit for not only places he endorsed candidates and spent money, but also in places where he didn't. he's looking to ride a potential gop wave, make it his own success story and turn it into a 2024 announcement. >> even before suggesting, he almost did it right then and there. he has held off. we shall see. thanks for joining us today, and thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this monday morning. it is election eve. stick around for "morning joe" which starts right now. when democracy withers, it's hard to restore. you can't take it for granted.
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you have to work for it. you have to nurture it. you have to fight for it. now, the good news is you get to make a difference, as long as you turn out the vote. >> former president barack obama -- >> he's good. he's good, isn't he? >> he's better than i've seen him in a long time. >> he's having a good time out there. >> fired up, ready to go. >> it's like hank aaron playing on the 1962 mets, you're going to stand out, right? >> he's having fun, and i think you could see there, it's interesting, the arc of the rallies. he was really animated early in the tour. sober now, interesting. >> it's a sober time. that was former president obama in pennsylvania helping democrats with their closing message ahead of tomorrow's crucial midterm elections. this is it.
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meanwhile, new polling shows democrats have closed the enthusiasm gap with republicans, but will that be enough to keep the party in control of congress. we're going to have the latest numbers for you. plus, new reporting on when donald trump might announce a reelection bid as he takes a swipe at potential rival ron desantis. we'll play those remarks. he also made a unbelievably inappropriate and leering comment about nancy pelosi, which really sums up where republicans and trump republicans are and have always been. >> only if you think that sort of fascist comments are inappropriate. >> right. if you care. >> only if you think going, hey, how he's she doing right now. if it's not fascism, pure mob violence. i don't know. we'll play that clip for you. i want my evangelical friends to watch that clip and tell me,
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compare that to the one you have been vilifying for 40 years, nancy pelosi after steve scalise's shooting, and see if there's any comparison. >> if there's anything that goes against what you believe, your core values. i don't know. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, november 7th, with us, we have, as you saw, former white house press secretary, robert gibbs joins us this morning. mara gay is with us. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay joins us and presidential historian jon meacham is with us as well. it's good to have you all this hour. we have a lot of new polls to show you. this is go time. so we'll get some context at the very last minute, and then we see what happens. >> i got to say usually for, and robert will likely agree with this. really generic ballot tests really are worthless in many
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respects. i will say, the one thing about this nbc generic ballot test is, it shows that democrats have reengaged and that's obviously -- the top line doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter because you just don't know what's going to happen. it is interesting that nationwide, though, this new nbc poll shows that democrats have reengaged and they're excited about getting out and voting. gives them more of a chance to keep it close. >> right. let's take a look at that, at the new polling from nbc news. americans are split over which party they want in control of congress. 47% of registered voters say they prefer democrats in control while 47% say they prefer republicans. it's virtually unchanged from last month when democrats held a 1 point lead, though the results, of course, within the margin of error. meanwhile, democrats have closed the gap on republicans when it comes to enthusiasm.
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73% of voters from both major parties say they have a high interest in voting tomorrow. that number for democrats is up 4 points since last month while republican enthusiasm has slipped 5 points in the same time frame. a less promising number for the party in power, 72% of voters say the country is on the wrong track. that's significantly higher than any election in recent years. as far as what matters most to voters right now, 23% say threats to democracy is the top issue the country faces. but if you combine the results of the second and third place answers, the economy is clearly top of mind for voters. >> and of course, everybody looks at threats to democracy, and they think, oh, wow, the american people where i am, if you dig deeper in a lot of these polls, you'll see that republicans and democrats both are point to go threats and democracy as a real problem. i want to ask you about the
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enthusiasm. there have been a lot of us, and when i say us, i mean me going wait a second, democrats can't be enthusiastic about this election? i'm just absolutely stunned by t but we see here, a big reversal over the past month, republicans held a nine point lead. now it's equal. >> over the past several years we have understandably spent so much time inside the mind of the republican voter and that psyche, and just some of the emotional reaction to some of the extraordinary events that we have been living through, so people who don't want to mask up, even though they know that there are vulnerable people around, et cetera, there's a deadly pandemic. that does track with the republican vote and the emotional reaction. the reality is that democratic voters are living through extraordinary events. they are exhausted, they are angry, they are just as demoralized by what's happening,
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even if what they want to see done about it is very different than the republican voter. and i think that sense of malaise and frustration is very real, and i think it's only in the past couple of weeks, and you can feel it even here in new york where there's an extraordinarily competitive race for governor, only in the past couple of weeks have democrats, especially even prime voters started to say, okay, i got to get my courage up. i'm going to go to the polls, we're going to show up, and so the question really for democrats is it just prime voters, is it going to be beyond that? can they really motivate people to get to the polls? and that's why bill clinton was here in new york this weekend, which is an extraordinary turn of events. think about that. you know, the democratic party in new york requiring one of its heavy hitters to come and turn voters to the polls. all americans are exhausted. >> so robert, you've been around this more closely than any of
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us. there are always the stories in iowa where you all would be looking in the bus at the latest polls, and obama would come back, what are you doing, just, i don't want to hear about it. as we see all of these polls, it occurs to me, republicans could have a massive night. they should have a massive night if you look at history. if you look at right track wrong track. democrats, i don't think anybody would be surprised if democrats didn't win both seats in pennsylvania, if they didn't win the senate and governorship, if they didn't do well in a lot of other senate races, held the senate. it's really hard to tell where this electorate is going. what do crow take out of that nbc poll, and all of the other polls that have been coming out. like you said, i think the most important number in the poll, everybody has kind of their
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favorite question, somebody will say right track, wrong track, congressional ballot. to me, the most important finding in the poll is democratic enthusiasm, equal to republican enthusiasm. that's essentially what you need in an election to be competitive and a nine point gap as we saw earlier would have been deadly. that's a wipeout year. to your point, i think we're a bit in the fog of war, though. i say to people, if you're depressed you can google some poll and be excited. if you're excited, you can google some poll and be depressed. there's just a lot of different data, but to me, again, if the energy of voters is matched on each side, starts to give you some indication of maybe the early vote is good for democrats. maybe, you know, so i think that's a real big and important thing, and to your point about former president obama, this is the point in which he would literally kick us to the other end of the bus. you know, be on your devices. i'm just, i want to be back here
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and i think for candidates, too, they're making their last pitch, right. today is going to be their last pitch, their focus, this is their argument. >> so former president donald trump and barack obama were in battleground pennsylvania on saturday, as i said, campaigning for senate candidates locked in one of the country's most closely watched races. much of trump's speech was focused on himself. >> which, by the way, the "wall street journal" opinion page wrote about. once again, he comes to the end of the campaign and makes it all about himself. >> himself and also pushing debunked, untrue conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. whereas this was former president obama's closing message. >> we kind of crash and burn politics we're seeing right now. that doesn't have to be who we are. we can be better.
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and it has nothing to do, by the way, with political correctness or being too woke. it's about fundamental values that my grandparents from kansas taught me. values i grew up with. values you grew up with. values we try to teach our kids. values we learn in churches and mosques, and synagogues, and temples, honesty, fairness, opportunity, hard work, values that josh shapiro and john fetterman stand for. values that joe biden stands for. values that we're enslooing in e in our founding documents, a few miles from here, what the liberty bell represents, that's what america stands for. that's who we are. >> and all the people said. >> yeah. amen. >> amen.
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that is who we are. >> amen. >> i thought. >> i'm a big believer in gravity. the small seat conservative in me, i believe in gravity. i believe that if you, for years, torture parents whose children were slaughtered in a schoolhouse in connecticut eventually, the laws of gravity will catch up with you. and you will be chased by creditors for the rest of your life. i believe if you lie about stolen elections and you say that a certain voting machine and company work with hugo chavez, i believe that the laws of gravity will catch up with you. i believe that, too, politically, that we are a people who before 2015, we are a
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people who always looked for the optimistic leader, that looked for, that told us we were better. we could be better. we could move toward a more perfect union, and i just, we're watching president obama there and i know a lot of people like me were stirred by that optimism. but think back, bill clinton, i still believe in a place called hope. let's build a bridge to the 21st century. you look at -- he was positive, you look at other leaders that were positive in campaigns, reagan of course was one of the great examples. i still believe that america's greatest days truly do lie ahead. and you can go back and
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americans, even in divisive times have wanted to believe. that we are moving forward. we have in donald trump and in trumpists, people -- well, with trump, we have somebody that basically threw out a mob threat yesterday when talking about nancy pelosi. yeah, how's she doing, right, talking about shooting people on 5th avenue. talking about violence. and i just -- i don't know, it may not happen tomorrow, but i do believe that barack obama, ronald reagan, i believe those optimistic campaigners, they eventually win the day again. >> this starts with thomas jefferson who talked about america as the world's best hope. lincoln adjusted the phrase slightly to call us the last
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best hope. presidential reagan, 50 years ago, 60 years ago in this season said we were the last best hope of man on earth. and reagan did something that not many people can do and that's improve on jesus when he called america a shining city on a hill. i've actually heard ministers from pulpits say as jesus said, america shall be as a shining city upon a hill. how that sounded originally, i'm not sure. that's how powerful ronald reagan's capacities were. democracies are a battle between hope and fear. edmond burke who believed until the law of gravity said there's no more unreasoning emotion than fear. and if you think about it, fear is the anxiety created by the loss, the prospect of the loss of something you love.
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right? the anxiety created by the prospect of losing something you love. and the what donald trump has been a master at is convincing people that everything they love is about to slip away. and that he stands between them and that loss. and so the counter argument is a difficult one to make because it does require people to look ahead as opposed to just around them right now. and i think that's what president biden, the argument he made, president obama, this was not a partisan point, by the way, the fact that it sounds partisan is part of the trouble we're in. and one of the fascinating things to me about this because i don't have a partisan brain is i really believe that the
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election of 2020, the election of 2022, and the election of 2024 is going to be about more than a marginal tax rate or immigration or any of the policies that we debate when we have democracy as a mediation of differences. i just think this is more fundamental than that. and i want people who will treat american politics as what i think it was from 1933 to 2017, which is this figurative conversation between fdr and reagan, and that's the conversation that i think is coherent and can deliver for us. if you see it as total war, if you see it as total war, then it's going to be total war. >> and, you know, mika, let me use the word fascists, what fascists have always done is
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they try to link their movement to a mythic past, a glorious past that they are trying to take away from us. so that justifies violence, that justifies hate. that justifies throwing everything away that you were ever taught in church. but i want you to listen and focus on what barack obama just did. he competed with that lie by saying we are better than this, and he talked about, we're just a couple of miles away from where they made the constitution, and an imperfect constitution, a constitution that recognized slavery as part
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of that led eventually to a civil war. but barack obama wasn't afraid to look to our past with clear eyes, and say, look how far we've come. we need to keep moving toward that more perfect union. that is who we are as a people. and he gave hope. and his vision of america ears past, while glorious, was clear eyed, and i believe it competes quite well with the lie that donald trump and so many trumpists are trying to push. >> and yet a lot of people actually believe the lie as fact. which is just so disappointing at this time. katty kay, you spent the weekend in a state that could be yet again a bellwether, the state of virginia. watching the candidates there,
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what did you see? what did you hear? >> i went to the race of abigail spamberger, part of the blue wave that brought this group of centrist democrats in while president trump was still in office, people like elissa slotkin, runs in the middle, dispenses herself from certain part's policies. has taken on the left of her party in a famously leaked audio tape and yet is in trouble. she's running in a very tight race. i went there because i think on election night, virginia 7 will give a good indication of whether it's going to be a good night for democrats or a very good night for republicans. i went to the two rallies the two women were given, a trump rally, a couple hundred people, loud music, had glenn youngkin there, spamberger's event, there
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were a dozen people, that might be an optimistic counting of how many people were outside there outside of the press. she says she wants to do one on one meetings with her constituents but if you had to judge energy, there was more energy at the vega rally. vega did not mention trump. spamberger not mentioning biden. >> we'll have congresswoman abigail spanberger on the show later on this morning. steve kornacki will join us from the big board with a look at where the top races stand this morning and former mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms joins us. also ahead, former president trump hits the campaign trail in florida and tests out a new nickname for governor ron desantis. >> and elon musk raises questions about freedom of speech after banning
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therefore you're the king. >> projecting. you're the king as far as i'm concerned. wow. former president trump at a campaign rally on saturday with that comment about chinese leader xi jinping, and joining us now, the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. and look at him. president of the council on foreign relations. richard haass. i like it. i can't tell which i like better. >> i like the sean connery. >> i think he looks great today. >> so, richard, let's just talk about that for one moment because it bears repeating that donald trump loves autocrats, he loves xi, he's been talking about this president for life thing for a while now. he greatly admired how she was setting that up. he loves kim jong un. talks about the love letters.
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he of course has a warm place in his heart for vladimir putin. called him a genius for invading ukraine and what historians will see as perhaps the greatest military misstep since the germans declaring a war on america in '41 when they didn't have to. but at the same time, this guy hates democratically elected leaders. he hated britain's prime ministers, he hated macron. he hates people that get elected in democratic systems. i'm just curious what's your take there? by the way, this guy was president of the united states, and i'm so glad that he's coming out talking again, and reminding people what a thug he is, what a fascist he is. what an authoritarian he is. and if somebody out there on the internet does not believe he's those three things, please,
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submit your essays, i look forward to reading them and grading them. >> take the three you mentioned, xi jinping, vladimir putin, and kim jong un. what does he have to show for it? north korea, busy shooting missiles, developing nuclear weapons, has far more missiles than nuclear weapons. >> your number one priority, your number one problem is going to be north korea moving toward the development of nuclear weapons that they can launch towards america. donald trump has been an -- when i hear people saying he was a blow hard, but he got a lot of good things -- no, he didn't. his grade on north korea is an f. everything that's happening right now is owed in large part to donald trump. >> we got played on north korea.
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china, xi jinping, he's consolidated power. repressed people, violated his international obligations on hong kong. misled the world on covid. chinese economy went from double digit growth to now 3% growth, we could go on and on. and then vladimir putin obviously has committed the biggest violation of international law that we've seen. so it would be one thing if outreach to authoritarians got you something. but got us not just nothing, we're actually worse off in our relationship. >> all three of those authoritarians. all three of them have behaved in a way that's far worse. let's go ahead and talk about saudi arabia as well. he absolutely loves mbs. and has his behavior gotten better or worse since donald trump became president. >> obviously you had the
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khashoggi murder and so far, again, it's okay to have a foreign policy that doesn't focus on the domestic nature of other countries, and that's what realism is all about. then you have to focus on the foreign policy of other countries and begin to change it. and that's where essentially, you know, we missed the ball there. also, as you say, we had terrible relations with democrats, with merkel, the british and the french and so forth, with some of the people in asia, threatening to pull forces out of south korea. i was just in south korea this week. the biggest question is 60% of the people, what do they favor, having their own nuclear weapons. why? because they face a growing threat, and they no longer feel they can count on the united states. >> why is that? because donald trump, we had bob woodward in on friday. what's he doing? you know, the south koreans owe their very existence to us and they're going to have to pay money or else he's going to pull
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the support. >> when the united states becomes unpredictable and undependable, every government in the world, the national security advisers take out the file and they call hedge against the united states, doesn't have our back and what that means is one of two options. they either defer or appease a powerful neighbor, an iran, china or russia or become strategically autonomous, and ultimately that means less american influence, and they start thinking about things like nuclear weapons, this is not the world we want to see. >> jon meacham, the way that joe biden, and i guess this probably isn't invogue to say, should i say it or not, jon. >> i get the feeling. >> try to speak what's on your mind, joe, i think it's time for you to break out of your shell. >> i need add a shot of courage. >> i know. >> okay. let me try this. okay. i'll say it.
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joe biden has done an extraordinary job on ukraine. it is historic. we have talked a good bit, you and i about harry truman. we've had an event or two. talking about how truman moved through the challenges in '45, '46, '47. people are going to look back, historians are going to look back and see that joe biden was confronted with a no-win situation. and when you consider who preceded him and all the alliances he tried to blow up. biden, i think, has done a pretty extraordinary job on ukraine. it won't matter on tuesday, though, will it. it's just something that biden had to do, and biden will continue doing. but i wonder. is he getting any credit out there politically for this? >> i don't think so. i think you're right, and you
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know, the usual disclosure here, he's my friend, i help him when i can. take this for what it's worth. i think president biden has been done a remarkable job confronting this autocratic appetite that's taking on a weaker country. and which he thought was weaker, let's be clear. but, you know, richard was to borrow a phrase from dean, he was a not dissimilar organization from 1989 to 1993 when george h.w. bush did a remarkable job managing the end of the cold war and had a very difficult time getting domestic political credit. which was also true of president truman in the first year or two of his presidency. truman, i think, joe, didn't he lose 55 seats in the house and i think 12 -- i think 12 senate seats in 1946. and now anybody would want -- any american president would love truman's legacy, right?
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so politics and state crafts and substance move on two different time lines, right? there's headlines, now history and substance. the great presidents, the great congresses, actually managed to have those two intersect in realtime, and that's what we're waiting to see whether they do intersect in realtime. i remember president bush senior, moods come and go, but greatness endures. and you have to govern for the greatness and just see what happens with the passions of the moment. >> you know, the thing that biden has had in common with truman is both faced a very hostile republican congress and in both instances, there was bipartisan agreement on the major foreign policy issues of
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the day, with truman, he dealt with isolationist republicans, and was even able -- was even moved taft over, an isolationist, this republican, and you obviously have mitch mcconnell, jonathan lemire, who has kept senate republicans together. so they walk shoulder to shoulder with the president on this issue. the big question is, though, what happens in the house if republicans win big tomorrow night. does the white house expect house republicans to break against ukraine to support vladimir putin? let me say that again. does the white house expect republicans, if they take control of the house, to turn their backs on zelenskyy and the ukrainians and do vladimir
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putin's bidding. >> first of all, since the day russia launched its invasion, the white house knows there would not be a single vote cast in support of what the president would do, the right thing to do for the state of the world, and history, he has told people close to him. this is part of trump's legacy here. we know how skeptical and hostile he was to ukraine. we know how adversarial he was to ukraine. how supportive he was to russia. he tended to drift isolationist when it comes to foreign policy. trump supporters are emboldened if the gop takes control of congress. they don't believe funding will be cut off completely but they will it will shrink, it will slow down. >> become more difficult. >> less will go to kyiv and it will go more slowly. there will be a lot more oversight of the money. it's going to slow down the whole process and we know that will be in stark contrast of what president zelenskyy wants. he's looking for more right now,
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as he is remarkably successful as they have been, they are still out gunned. this worries the white house in the days ahead, and the results tomorrow will impact the war effort. >> president obama, did he ever assume for a second, that anything he did on foreign policy was going to happen on domestic politics. >> i think what richard and jon have both said, they move on a different plane. you'll remember this running for congress, you could get a crowd excited by talking about cutting foreign aid as if somehow that was going to balance the budget. >> right. >> so it's not something that i think plays a large part in people's lives. i think ukraine has begun to because fuel prices have changed. food prices have changed, and look, anytime i think you're confronted with both sides, you know, putin and even president biden talking about the fears of a nuclear exchange.
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it becomes more important, but i think in an election, certainly right now where there's so much going on domestically, it's hard for foreign policy. >> jon meacham, thank you very much for being on this morning. and coming up on "morning joe," we'll be joined by the democratic nominee for u.s. senate in north carolina. cheri beasley who is locked in a close race there. and a little later we're headed down to georgia where voters turned out in record numbers ahead of election day. how that could be impacting two closely watched campaigns there. "morning joe" will be right back. d campaigns there. "morning joe" will be right back ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪
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he's got it. for the touchdown. burrow to the end zone. third and six, smith to the end zone, and touchdown, it's watkins. pass over the middle, picks off and jonathan jones to the end zone for the touchdown. >> wilson looking underneath. pumps it. robinson, the catch, the run, touchdown, jets. we've got jefferson down here. a lot of choices for the end zone, and jefferson reaches up, hauls it in and hangs on for a touchdown vikings. >> takes to fournette, it's in for the touchdown! some of the biggest touchdowns scored by winning teams across the nfl yesterday.
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and, you know, jonathan, i think what we need to do, because we always talk about in baseball, we talk about the al east, that's all we talk about. i think we have to start talking about the afc east. the dolphins beat the bills. >> i mean jets. >> jets beat the bills. one of the two best teams, and now the jets are 6-3. the dolphins are 6-3. what's tua's record when he's there, what is he, like 6-1. >> the entire division is over 500. they look great. you would think the bills are sort of the class of the group. what a great game, too. again, no super stars on the jets. they just figure out a way to win. >> they have a terrific defense. they're very fast, an athletic defense. some questions about the quarterback. he played well yesterday. there are no easy games, that division. the patriots, you know, their defense is also good.
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mac jones has been up and down this year, but they got an easy win. >> condolences. we haven't gotten to that yet. but, you know, the dolphins have an explosive offense. tyreek hill has set every wide receiver record. >> he's unbelievable. >> so fast, and the bills, i agree, still the best team. it goes to show, any given sunday phase right now. also competitive. >> and the vikings also out of nowhere, great philadelphia, great undefeated. >> unbelievable. >> and robert, since i brought it up. you can gloat. alabama has lost on the last play, two weeks in a row. >> stunning. >> on the last day? >> i will say, lsu is a much -- i saw them play a month ago at auburn. and the difference in how their quarterback played saturday night and how he played at auburn, stunning, stunning, shocking. >> yeah. and i've got to say, also
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georgia. i never saw that coming. i think somebody told me georgia was an eleven point favorite. tennessee, because tennessee looked extraordinary, but, man, georgia just mowed them down. >> what a defense. >> by the way, a lot of highlights you saw there. a lot of teams playing. one team, though, that didn't play were the pittsburgh steelers. they had a bye. don't tell jersey resident dr. oz that fact. >> tomorrow morning when you awaken, i want you to contact ten people, do it before the church, the steelers game, find the team, and here's the question you're going to ask them. are you happy with the way america is going. >> john fetterman responded on twitter quote the steelers have a bye.
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come on. is nobody staffing this guy? >> seems like not. if your campaign is littered with questions about your allegiance to the state. when do the eagles play, when do the steelers play. you got to know those things. >> president biden had thoughts on dr. oz, pennsylvania roost. >> and oz and pennsylvania? look, i lived in pennsylvania longer than oz has lived in pennsylvania. and i moved away when i was 10 years old. >> it's funny because it's true. >> this guy is a transplant. he is as culturally disconnected from the state as anybody i have ever seen running for the united states senate. >> i mean, you only have to take a look at him to know that.
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but also just that footage of donald trump behind oz, it just looks like a hostage situation. you have to wonder if you're a voter, if you're a republican, does that inspire confidence? like, who is this guy going to be standing for once he gets into office? it's not the voters, right? it's the guy behind him looming over his shoulder menacingly. >> that's what donald trump wants everybody to know. look how he emasculated little butters in ohio, j.d. vance, saying, what did he say? quote kiss my ass. and butters gets up to the microphone, aren't we having fun? donald trump wants the people of these states to know that
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they're going to have republican senators who have been politically emasculated and are going to be loyal to donald trump first. i'm not sure how that works at the voting booth because most voters i know. most voters i've dealt with like their politicians' independence. >> unless they like donald trump more, unless, actually what they want somebody who is going to suck up to donald trump and that's what they want. they are die hard trump fans. the trouble is we know there are 30% of the electorate feels that and that leads you an awful lot of people you have to persuade beyond that. the relationship with ron desantis. why is trump so mad at ron desantis. why doesn't he turn up at a rally with him. it's purely because he feels he made ron desantis, and ron desantis wasn't grateful enough. i spent time with glenn youngkin in virginia who has a different relationship with donald trump. he doesn't know him anything.
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he doesn't owe him his victory in virginia, and in a weird power dynamic with testosterone that fuels donald trump's relationship, it gives youngkin stature against him. a more formidable opponent. >> and look at georgia, i think there's a reason why brian kemp is doing so much better against stacey abrams than people thought he would six months ago. he stood up to donald trump and beat him, and not only did he beat him, he wiped out his opponent, just like brad raffensperger did, and voters just like that. >> donald trump's lost more elections in georgia than anybody that's ever run in any set of offices. >> he's lost more in georgia than like atlanta braves managers in the 1970s.
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>> let's not bring that up. >> it's ugly. >> it's interesting. there was a poll a couple of weeks ago out of pennsylvania, and we've heard a lot about, and you hear about the history of the current president and the drag on democrats. in that poll out of pennsylvania, more people were concerned that oz was too close to trump than biden and fetterman were too close to each other. there's an interesting dynamic. i'm not sure. oz has spent a lot of time, particularly in the suburbs trying to cleve away from donald trump. interesting to spend the last weekend and have people open up that paper and turn on the tv. the very last pitch of the campaign, ounce, besides misstating the football schedule but standing there literally with donald trump looming over his shoulder. >> glouring over him. >> states like georgia, pennsylvania, and ohio are getting a lot of attention for their senate races, but down in north carolina, democratic candidate for senate cheri beasley is locked in a tight race, and she's getting help
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from former president obama. >> i don't need to tell you these are challenging times. that's why we need strong leaders to step forward. leaders who will do what's right, instead of what's easy. leaders who will fight for you. that's why i'm supporting cheri beasley for u.s. senate. >> and the democratic senate nominee from north carolina joins us now. it's good to have you on the show this morning. thank you. so how are you feeling, what, 24 hours until all of the votes get in. early voting so far, what indications are you getting out there, and what's your final message to voters? >> we're feeling really great. there's a lot of energy across north carolina. we have a hundred counties. we have been there. we have been talking with voters. we're seeing great positive indicators in the early voting. we're really excited and the final message is there's a clear choice in this race. i want to move us forward.
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he wants to move us backwards. i want to fight hard to lower costs, and he wants to make corporate profits. i really want to fight hard to protect our democracy, and he wants to undermine it. i want to fight for folks here in north carolina, and he wants to fight for corporations and for himself. the choice is clear in this race. >> yeah, mara gay here from the "new york times." just wondering when you talk to voters in the final days, what are motivating your voters to the polls right now? >> folks want to know if elected i will work hard to lower costs, people are feeling everything from pain at the pump to the constant prescription drugs and everything in between. in the greatest country in the world, folks shouldn't have to worry about buying groceries or school supplies or medicine. i mean, we need to make sure that we fight hard to lower prescription drug costs. my opponent has done the
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opposite. congressman ted bud has voted against lowering prescription drug costs while taking thousands of dollars of pac money from big pharma. lowering the cost of gas, while taking thousands of dollars from big oil. he has never stood up for north carolina, it's time for a change. i'm excited about this race. we have 24 hours, the polls here open at 6:30 in the morning, and they're open until 7:30 in the evening. we want people to stay in line and vote, and vote their conscience. vote values in north carolina for our families and communities. >> justice beasley, good morning, president biden frequently says that democracy itself is on the ballot this time around. when you speak to voters is that something they're concerned about? we talk every day about the economic issues, the kitchen table issues that seem to be the driving force this is particular cycle. how do you breakthrough to voters? are they talking about the fact that their very democracy is at risk? >> people really are.
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we have seen what's happening in this country, and my opponent, congressman ted bud on january 6th called the mop and stormed the capitol where hundreds of law enforcement officers were injured, and some of whom were beaten with the american flag, he said they were just patriots standing up. those are not the values of folks in north carolina, we need a senator who's going to stand up for us, and even after all of that violence, he failed to certify the election. i mean, we need someone who's going to stand up for us who believes in safety, who believes in our value here in the state and in it country. congressman bud has had every opportunity to show us here in north carolina that he stands for us and he's done the opposite, and when people show you who you are, it's in time to believe them. i hope your viewers will go to cheri beasley.com for more information about my candidacy and the race and about the importance of the race. >> what was the web site again. >> was it cheri beasley.com.
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>> and do you spell that -- it is cheribeasley.com. >> okay. good. >> the democratic nominee for senate in north carolina, cheri beasley, thank you very much for being on. >> so glad to get that corrected. >> yes, i know, you wanted to clarify four times. still ahead on "morning joe," the reverend al sharpton joins us on the heels of his one-on-one interview with president biden as the administration delivers its closing message ahead of tomorrow's midterm elections. plus, democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger will join the conversation after receiving an endorsement from republican colleague liz cheney in her tight race for reelection in virginia. "morning joe" will be right back. in virginia. "morning joe" will be right back
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would you ever accept that a democrat could win arizona? or do you just not think that's possible? >> i have a hard time believing that's possible. everywhere i go the vast majority of people still show support for president trump. >> so that might just be because you are going to places where there are supporters of donald trump. is there any chance a democratic candidate for president could win arizona in 2024? >> no, no, no. >> i genuinely don't know what's more annoying, the fact that he answered a legitimate question with a prop, or he tells people no so often, he needed a special
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buffer for it. he's talking trump, and his novelty sign. thanks to the compulsive purposes of one supremely weird individual. >> a clip from last week tonight with john oliver, arizona's candidate for secretary of state, mark finchem, an election denier who suggested if he wins tomorrow, he might use his power to deny democratic victories going forward. >> what are you looking for? >> pauline kale, in 1972, film critic for the new yorker. i can't believe nixon won, i don't know anyone who voted for him. that has been a famous line just to show how insulated, it was
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supposed to show how isolated liberals are. a guy running for office in arizona saying he's not going to certify elections in arizona because he doesn't know a single person who voted for joe biden or democrats. >> the difference is the film critic for the new yorker, he's the guy counting the votes. >> katty kay, mara gay, richard haass are with us, and joining the table, the host of msnbc's "politics nation" and president of the action network. >> i asked you, what did you do this weekend, and you went -- you sounded like your mentor. >> and he was the hardest working man in show business. they had me the hardest working man in the churches and other areas trying to get out the vote. >> so talk about this new york race, the official newspaper of "morning joe," the "new york post," what are they doing,
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they're tying the jets with zeldin winning. i don't know, maybe zeldin wins. i don't think you should bet a lot of money on him. but he could win and the fact that it's maybe this close, what does that say about democrats running in the state? >> i think it gives them a wake up call to really deal with issues that people are concerned about the record, they are not dealing with the record and the issues people are concerned about. you cannot ignore crime, and even though you may say statistically that it is going down in certain areas, and it is, you still got to have to deal with the reality that people, what they are perceiving is reality. >> i say this only because i love you, and i do love you,
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please stop saying all crime is down except for murders. i cannot believe i hear politicians, you know, you look at the data, all crime is down except for murders which is skyrocketing, i don't think that helps. >> it doesn't, and zeldin has been able to come with a scare. he has no program. he's not saying what he would do about crime. but he's saying they are ignoring you. we are under siege. and it's working. i had president biden on my radio show, and president biden, i said, are we talking about what you did about guns. he has a solid record, fighting guns, dealing with ballots, in terms of having law enforcement and police reform, had us all to the white house, he's done with hbcus that has produced a rafael warnock. they're produced right here, rashida jones, cable news president, went to an hbcu. talk about what you all have done, democrats, and talk about what people are concerned about.
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and that is what i think has been like almost -- it is in my opinion, a mishandling of a lot of the races. >> and, you know, i always found that when somebody was attacking on an issue, you don't run away from it. you run straight to it. and you own that issue. and i won't get into a story about how i did it. mika has heard it a thousand times. it didn't make political sense. you're going to accuse me of gutting medicare, i'm going to tell you, it's all i'm going to talk about. all i'm going to talk about the rest of the campaign, why the medicare trustee said we had to slow down the rate of increase of medicare, and that's all i'm going to talk about the rest of the campaign. i got a call from the pollster at the end, i told the story before, it bears repeating. the pollster said what did you do with seniors. why? you've got 120 republicans, you
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did best with seniors. of anybody that we polled nationwide because we ran to it. i don't understand why democrats are afraid to talk about crime when gun murders keep skyrocketing and republicans won't do anything but make it easier to get guns on the streets of new york, guns on the streets of l.a., guns on the streets of chicago, guns across america. >> it goes back to what you say often, just the confidence gap that democrats have. have some confidence, be proud of what you have done this the state, especially around guns, and the rev said it, too, there is zero reason why kathy hochul, the governor of the state or any other democratic official at the statewide level in new york should be seeding ground to lee zeldin or anyone like him on crime. if you look at what the democrats have done in new york
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to fight crime, despite the best efforts of national republicans to make it difficult to do so in the last several years. that's a record they should be proud of. in fact, shootings and murders are down in new york compared to last year. they're not even telling that story. >> if you say that like governor hochul did, you'll get nailed, you've got it wrong, we're feeling scared. are they afraid to talk about crime or is it more complicated because democrats have a lot of wins to talk about. it's hard to brag on the wins when people are feeling something very different. >> that's right. i agree with joe. look, when a pollster puts a set of issues in front of you and says this is what the electorate is concerned about and you're not talking about or dealing with something the electorate is focused on. stories being told, you're just not involved in helping to tell that story. people are forming opinions. you're just not out there helping them form those. so i think whether it is inflation and the economy, whether it's jobs, whether it's
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crimes, you understand these are the things i may have challenges on as a group or a party, but you have to go address those. if you don't, you're not going to be able to take advantage of the issue advantages that you do have. >> right. and on crime, what you can say, mika, can you not, you can go, yeah, you know what, crime rates overall going down. except for one area. murders. specifically murders by guns. and this is what i've done to try to get guns out of the hands of criminals and this is what lee zeldin has done to try to keep as many guns on the streets. and in your communities. i mean, it's not that hard to do. because democrats in new york state especially are in line with the voters. >> and nationally, the first
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meaningful reform in decades. if you're not telling the story, it's happening without you. you're not forming the opinion what they're making their choice for governor. >> the last thing you do, as robert was saying, the last thing you do is deny it. if inflation and guns are one and two on the polls, don't explain to voters why they're wrong. figure out what your story is on inflation. figure out what your story is on crime. figure out what you're going to do as a democratic party to, like, explain to people, this is our record, and it's pretty damn good. >> it's crazy. the thing is the democrats have a story to tell. they have fought back against guns. they have put more cops on the streets. they have trained them better. they have tried to get ridership back on the subway. they have social programs and jobs programs. they are trying -- they are actually making progress, but they're not telling the story, and i don't understand it. i mean, one thing that is happening in new york is that
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the democratic party in new york is actually not set up to run competitive elections. in fact, you know, this is the first time in 20 years that there's been a state-wide competitive election, and i would argue that the democratic party in new york is actually better set up more as a party machine to protect incumbents, rather than to get people to the polls. >> you know what, mika, the democratic party of new york state has a lot in common with the democratic party of florida because every florida candidate i've talked to said they haven't been there this year. >> great. joining us, u.s. house editor of the nonpartisan, virginia, you have liz cheney endorsing abigail spanberger, what are you seeing in that race? how tight is it? >> it's a tight race. redistricting is a big theme of 2022 because there are few
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democratic incumbents, including big names in districts unfamiliar to them. abigail spanberger's district is 3/4 new to her, and the chairman of the dccc, sean patrick maloney. and katie porter in arizona. abigail spanberger caught a break in the republican primary, when they endorsed vega, a freedom caucus, prince william county supervisor, but spanberger has had to claw for this. it remains close. despite spanberger obliterating vega on the d.c. airways for her rigid stance on abortion. i would pick spanberger to win narrowly. we may not know until prince william county counts mail ballots late. >> i remember in 2018, beginning of the night, it looked like republicans were going to win the house. but then you started to see
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things break in virginia, and over the next several days, there was one democratic race in california after another. win by about 14 votes. i've never seen anything like it before. democrats won by the bearest of margins, and all of these california races. are we going to be looking closely at virginia and california 40 years later to determine who's going to have control of the house? >> yeah, i think virginia's going to be the best bellwether early on election night because we've got elaine luria in the second district who has staked her reelection race on democracy issues. she has been rare among democrats in that regard. she has highlighted her service on the january 6th committee. she has attacked state senator, the republican nominee, for dodging questions about whether joe biden won the 2020 election fairly, and yet, it's been difficult for luria to paint higgins as an extremist, a nurse practitioner, form navy pilot
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who's a suburban mom. i would expect higgins to have the narrow edge in that race. redistricting made the seat a touch redder. if luria hangs on, that would be a terrific sign for democrats. >> it's richard haass. virginia is a state with a military presence, has the issue of defense spending come up. virtually every expert in the field looks at the world, china and russia and the rest says the united states needs to spend considerably more on defense than it currently does. has that come up at all, and is there any popular support for that idea? >> these are districts full of military installations and spanberger, and luria have touted their about to bring federal dollars back to the district. that's part of the reason why they're still in the hunt, even though this is a pretty pro republican environment. i suspect we're going to only see bigger fights in 2023 if republicans take control over aid to ukraine, and that could come down along partisan lines
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than it has in the past year. >> david, it's robert gibbs. good morning, we were talking a little earlier of the fog of war, all of this data. early vote numbers and whatnot. boil it down for us. what do you think when the dust settles, how does house control look? what is the final tally in your estimation. >> you know, i don't think the bottom has dropped out for house democrats. it's more a story where we have seen the senate outlook move a notch towards where the house already was. in the last nbc poll, the final one, democrats were tied with republicans on voting enthusiasm. the problem for democrats is still independent voters and the fact that by 66-28, cost of living is more important to their vote choice than abortion. 28% approve of president biden's handling of the economy, and so i think late deciders, republicans have a little bit more upside.
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we're looking at potentially a republican gain between 15 and 25 seats, even as republicans might gain the one seat they need to win control of the senate. >> we want to be smart on election night. looking for the early trends. you mentioned those virginia races earlier. between the 7:00 p.m. closings and the 8:00 p.m. closings, you've also got new hampshire and indiana, what are you looking at there, for example. >> i'll be looking at indiana's first district, which is hammond. this seat hasn't been in play if in a long time. a democrat running against jennifer ruth green, one of 100 black female commercial airline pilots, an air force veteran who came out with an ad accusing him of working for rich white people instead of downtrodden communities in northwest indiana. this is a tight race. i would expect -- if jennifer
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ruth green wins, that would be a sign of a big republican wave. >> dave wasserman, thank you very much for being on this morning. we really appreciate it. richard haass, thank you, we like the new look. kind of like the old one, but we like the new one. >> and still ahead on "morning joe," about a quarter of a billion dollars has been spent on georgia's senate rates, and yet polls still show rafael warnock and herschel walker running neck in neck. former atlanta mayor, keisha lance bottoms is standing by to talk about the state of the race in georgia. plus, republican senator josh hawley who riled up the pro trump mob on january 6th criticizes america's military. >> yeah, attacking america's military. also ahead -- >> insurrectionists, i don't know why they hate the united states. the men and women who serve in the strongest military. they hate the fbi. >> what is this? >> they hate every american institution that keeps americans
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senate candidate herschel walker was introduced yesterday at a bus stop around the state. >> what has happened? >> also, there was this ron desantis ad. >> and god created a man. seriously, ron, don't throw jesus under the bus. you do your thing, but i've never heard anything like that before in my life. just say that god made me to be governor of the state of florida. >> so i could take people and send them on a plane and send them to martha's vineyard and abuse them and be cruel. that's what god told me to do. >> if you haven't seen it, you should see it. it's deeply disturbing. >> that was pretty disturbing right there. >> that was disturbing too. in a minute, we'll talk to atlanta mayor, keisha lance
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bottoms. first, the senior editor and contributing writer for the atlantic, david flinch is with us. did you see that desantis ad? all things aside, whether you like desantis or not, have you ever heard a candidate having paul harvey type person, i know they did it to own the libs and get the media talking about it. again, i would never throw jesus under the bus, and make people think that like jesus had created me so they could vote for me on tuesday. that was breathtaking. did you see that one? >> i did see it. and, you know what, on the one hand, it was just laughable. >> right. >> on the other hand, it completely played into the way republicans pitch themselves to christian voters, which is you're a people under siege, and you need me. you need a fighter. you need a protector or the church is going down or
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christianity in the united states is going to be in great distress, and this is what trump has done. this is the trumpist ethos, which is i'm the fighter, the slings and arrows for you. when they attack me, they're attacking you. >> right. >> so it was completely in keeping with the way republicans pitch themselves to christian voters. >> and this guy is saying that herschel walker is the most like jesus. these are things i couldn't imagine. i would never see anyone on the campaign trail say anything like this. i want to quote something you said, though. the idea that times are so hard that they relieve christians of basic obligations of kindness, honesty, or humility actually renders the church an oppressor, it can make us even more cruel than the alleged enemies we seek
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to defeat and my god, it showed through the stuff that people say, and then, well, i'm a christian, because they feel like they're so under siege, when the truth of the matter is, we've talked about this, too, david, religious freedom has never been as secure as it is today after about 15 years of supreme court precedent from the left and the right, protecting religious freedoms of evangelicals, of conservative catholics, of people of faith. >> yeah, it's been more than ten years since there's been even a semi-significant freedom loss in the united states. most of the cases on religious freedom have been decided 9-0, 7-2. there's been a super majority for religious freedom. some of the most contentious
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cases have been decided 9-0, and there's a sense of fear or panic, vote for us or the church is in danger, and that ron desantis ad, c.s. lewis compared to what's hang in the reawakened america conference. i don't know if you have seen this. the traveling michael flynn road show which is packing churches. thousands and thousands of people every week who are coming to hear some of the wildest conspiracy theories. cue rhetoric, they're coming to hear stolen election rhetoric, and being pitched, you know, pillow products and gold and things like that in the breaks. it's just a remarkably -- it's remarkably dangerous when you consider the level of rhetoric here, and the level of frenzy that is being stoked and stirred in christian communities in the united states. again, as we've discussed, it's not even -- it's not most christians, but there is an
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active, angry fringe that is being stoked and stirred every day. >> it's a 2,000 year break. from the teaching of jesus, you read tom holland's dominion, and you see what value sets, what set of morality that jesus introduced into the world. whether you're an atheist or whether you're a christian or whatever. like western civilization defined by these sets of values, which these people are actually undermining every day with their hatred, it's breathtaking, and you're right, this is not all churches, it may be a smaller subset, it is a frightening subset, and harming the larger church, i want to, if it's okay. i would love for you to tell the story, the remarkable story that made you weep, where you were talking about the young girl in
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little rock and i just -- the verse. i lift my eyes toward the mountains, where will my help come from. my help comes from the lord, the maker of heaven and earth. talk about how that fits in with what you're saying. >> yeah, so i was at an event in new york a couple of weeks ago, it's a story telling event, and the last presenter was a woman named dr. cybil jordan hamton, the only black student after the little rock nine integrated. they shut down the school, rather than integrate, and reopened it, and she was the only black 10th grader and she related the story of her unbelievable persecution, how she had to walk through armed guards to get into school, national guardsmen, how students wouldn't look at her. if they spoke to her, they hissed out racial slurs at her, and she talked about her
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nightmare experience at that school, and one of the things she said, the only time she spoke was during some of the mandatory bible readings they had at the school, and she would read aloud psalm 121, which you just quoted and what was incredibly powerful about that was her deep faith that gave her the courage to face what she face. and the other thing that stood out to me was wait a minute, i thought if we had mandatory bible readings in school, schools were supposed to be better places than viciously racist in the way that they were, and that there was this incredible vicious racism in the school, even as it was the kind of reality that a lot of right wing politicians want right now where there's the mandatory bible reading, the mandatory prayer, look, faith is a matter of heart. it's not a matter of what the government is going to tell you to do or instruct you to do. and it's high time, a lot of friends on the right remember that, that it's something that's flowing out of the heart. it's not something the government is going to come in
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and impose to reform or reshape our nation. and that it's high time we remember that, and it's high time that people be confident in their religious freedom and don't live under an atmosphere of fear and panic. i mean, scripture said god didn't give us a spirit of fear but of power and love and sound mine, and a lot of these rallies, you're not seeing a lot of evidence of sound mind. >> i've got to say also, and i'm sure this will offend some christian nationalists, let me tell you the truth. if you read the new testament, red letters, you go away with a an unmistakable understanding about jesus and his relationship to politics. he doesn't care about your political party. jesus cares about your soul. that's what it's all about. and again, these people, i hear
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don jr. mocking jesus's idea that we turn the other cheek. i hear eric trump giving a speech, going jesus defeats these rhinos, i mean, you know, it would be laughable if it weren't so frightening that people are doing this in the name of jesus christ. but they are. >> and on the other side of laughable, to those of us that really practice our religion, it's insulting. for me to see a minister stand there and say herschel walker is like jesus, more than a baptist preacher who does this every day. herschel walker who has been accused now of all kinds of things i won't even list. a preacher is going to say that's more like jesus than a minister of the gospel. think about what we're seeing here. do you want your kid to be like
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herschel or reverend warnock. it is an insult to the intelligence of people. i think if you want to practice your religion, then practice. >> and the arrogance of saying i'm the most like jesus or he's the most like -- if i was ever talking to people in church, listen, from way back, and there's only one person perfect person in the baptist church who runs the building fund. that's another story. you tell people no, i'm a sinner, i'm broken, i share your values. what are these people saying i'm the most like jesus. god created ron desantis. ron takes care of those people. sends them to martha's vineyard. it's just crazy. >> i don't know what church
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these people grew up in. i've never seen anything like it. i think lauren boebert said something to the effect of and this is not a direct quote, but if jesus had had some kind of bigger weapon -- >> an ar-15. >> an ar-15, he could have protected himself from the government, and of course as a christian i'm thinking literally the crucifixion is the entire basis for our faith, so there would be no christianity. the bigger point, right, is, you know, not a debate over doctrine but is the fact that this just shows how absolutely not just insulting and hypocritical, but just un-serious their claims they're professing that they're coming from a place of faith, it could not be more transparent that they are not. there's an opportunity to talk a little bit. david has written a little bit
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about this. the idea of a warrior god that white evangelicals have embraced and the idea that white evangelicalism overall, i'm not saying there aren't people of great faith in this movement, it's become a social political movement, not a religious movement. you only have to go across the hall often or across the street to a black church to understand that not all people of faith find themselves suddenly voting against everything that jesus stood for. >> right. >> and this warrior that you're talking about, david french, i want to go back talking about dominion by tom holland, and what he describes so remarkably, and i forgive everybody for this theology discussion, i'll hear about this on twitter, is that the remarkable thing that set christianity apart, that set
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jesus christ apart for those who ruled over him, from the romans, and what was valued an ancient history was the fact that he died, the most shameful death. he died a slave's death. he was the weakest of the weak in the eyes of the romans. in the eyes of the romans. they were so offended that anybody would worship such a weak leader. they could not grasp it. and yet it was that humility. and people started noticing that the strength that was revered by the romans was actually the power, the earthly power is what christians rejected. somebody would, you know, throw a child away, the child would be
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taken care of. you're not supposed to do that. in ancient times when you actually took care of somebody else and you get nothing in return, charity was seen as a weakness. seen as a weakness. all of the things that we now have established in our culture, as signs of strength, humility, meekness, kindness. blessed are the peacemakers for they will be children of god. all of those things, the romans didn't understand. that created the revolution that helped christianity take over the roman empire, and it is why it has dominated western civilization for 2000 years, and i bring this up because mara was talking about a republican instead of jesus would have had
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an ar-15, he wouldn't have been krus crucified. god so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son to be crucified for our sins. >> and, joe, when he was being crucified, he said, father forgive them for they know not what they do. he didn't say send an ar-15 from heaven with an angel. >> no, he didn't. and so, david, again, i don't bring this up to preach. i bring this up to show that the very basis of this new sort of christian nationalism is the antithesis of jesus's teachings for 2,000 years. >> the fear and anger is so wrong and misplaced. look, if you read the new testament, every syllable of the
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new testament was at a time believers faced oppression, beyond magnitude of anything we see in america. believers from the first century would walk into the united states and say you guys are incredibly powerful, you're incredibly wealthy compared to what we experienced, there's no comparison. and yet what are the words of the new testament and all of that persecution and oppression. faith, hope, love, kindness, gentleness, bless those who persecute you. love your enemies, that's the message of the new testament, written to believers who faced persecution and oppression, beyond anything that you can imagine in the united states, but what's the message, the political message given to so many christians in the united states today? fear, anger, fear, anger, and you see it constantly. it's this constant stoking of fear and anger, and there's even a message now that says, look, many of these basic qualities that are required of christians
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in the new testament. that's for a different time. they don't work anymore. what are you talking about? these were commands and requirements given to people who face persecution and oppression beyond anything we can imagine, and again, the words were clear, bless those who persecute you. pray for those who persecute you. love your enemies, kindness, faith, hope, charity, these are the messages given to an oppressed people. a people that with an experience we can't grasp today and yet the message to christians is fear and anger constantly, and it's warping into as we saw on january 6th, it's warping into violence. >> david french, thank you so much, this has been the david french hour of power. as always, we appreciate you being here. robert, it reminds me of when nancy pelosi said i pray for donald trump. and for anybody that has read the new testament, that makes
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sense. what does jesus say, love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you. if you only love those who love you, what good does that do, you're not better than the tax collector. you're no better than the sinner. donald trump, the whole concept was foreign to him that a political rival could be praying for them. >> people that know nancy pelosi know just how sincere that was. that wasn't a political message. that wasn't something that, you know, to our previous discussion, a staffer handed her a piece of paper and said say this. it's a deeply held faith that she has, and is powerful that she can with all the back and forth, with all the bad blood, the name calling still do that, gives you a sense of the type of person she is, and the type of probably people we need a lot more of in politics. >> go ahead. >> can i just say, also pulling
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back a little bit, the line of christians personally, i feel like we can't have this conversation today without acknowledging in the midst of this perceived victim hood, and white evangelicalism that has been weaponized that we have seen an extraordinary increase on actually attacks on jews, and the anti-semitism that is on the rise, and, you know, other hate crimes that are on the rise. and so, i would ask, i guess, my fellow christians, is that the country you want to live in? is that what jesus died for? i don't think so. i think this is basic humanity. you don't have to be a christian to know right from wrong, and i just, i'm totally demoralized, you know, as an american, as a human, as a black woman and a christian, to see people treat each other in ways that your kindergarten teacher would have
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told you was unacceptable, and that's what it amounts to. >> and the sigh republicans. we talked about this often has been -- when we had the hate summit at the white house, jonathan greenblatt and president biden said we'll do at the white house, and he came. it was important black civil rights leaders say anti-semitism is wrong, and antiasian is wrong, and for jews to say what happened in buffalo was wrong. if you don't have the courage, the guts to stand up to your own community and say we cannot be like what we're fighting, you forfeited your right to leadership. she's right, where are the moral leaders of this country, standing up to say all of this is wrong. including the cultural icons we like. when they're wrong, we're wrong. >> it's not just silence. i mean, you look what happened to nancy pelosi's husband, a
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violent act, and you had republicans, you had donald trump jr., a family that i guess got the endorsement of liberty university at one point, and they're so christian, they're so religious, they say. laughing, laughing, at brutality and another human being. >> you've got a gubernatorial candidate making a joke about it. >> making jokes. joining us now, former mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. she's appearing here today in her personal capacity, and not speaking on behalf of the biden administration where she serves as a senior adviser. very good to have you on the show. we're talking about religion being stolen by the far right and used politically but i'll start by asking you, what's going on in georgia? the fact that even the senate race is such a battle at this point given what's happening with the people of georgia and how they're feeling about
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politics? >> well, we have seen this record turnout in the early vote which has been great, but it's not over yet. we still have an election tomorrow, and what we've seen happen previously in georgia and across the nation, quite frankly, democrats will have a great early turnout, and then we are over taken on election day, it is my sincere hope that will not be the case in georgia tomorrow. i am excited that people across the state are excited, that people are paying attention in ways that we normally don't see a focus on midterm elections but people realize what's at stake here. that is choice between herschel walker and rafael warnock. that's not much of a choice to me. but clearly the race is very tight. we see brian kemp and stacey abrams and then we have all of these down ballot races
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including an election denier who is running for lieutenant governor in georgia. as people think about what's been delivered from democrats in congress, from the biden administration, whether it's student debt relief, whether it is the action that the president took on marijuana, whether it's caffeine insulin costs and prescription costs and the list goes on. these are issues that will resonate with voters across georgia, and i anticipate and hope we'll see a big turnout tomorrow. good morning, last year, nearly two dozen states enacted some sort of voting reforms, tightening access to the ballot and georgia was front and center of the national conversation on that topic. president biden and others really warned against what's happened. however, we have seen a surge in early voting numbers. so how do we square those two things, voters in georgia, are they able to cast their ballot freely and fairly, are there any
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worries about what they might find at the polling placing tomorrow? >> we saw in cobb county, which is in the metro atlanta area that a thousand people did not receive their absentee ballots. they were attempting to overnight those ballots over the weekend. what you are seeing in georgia is that in spite of all of the silly rules that were put in place, including not being able to pass out water and food in lines, and reducing the number of drop boxes that people are still showing up to vote. we are the home of congressman john lewis, he was my congressman, and reminded us that the right to vote was sacred. he also said he was fearful and he could wake up one day and our democracy will be gone. the two are not mutually exclusive. you have unnecessary rules put in place by the state legislature, signed into law by governor brian kemp and people are still showing up to vote because we recognize what's at
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stake here. >> so some democrats i have spoken to pointed to similar early voting figures, big early voting figure as you had in georgia. they tell me what they don't know is now we are in a post covid environment, how many people on the day are going to be democratic voters and republican voters and in a sense we're flying blind. we don't know if people have changed their voting since covid. do you have any numbers on early voting versus on the day voting. >> that's what we have to pay close attention to. we have had a record number of people to turn out, but what we don't know is are these people who would normally turn out in early vote or will the -- i believe it's 2 1/2 million voters left out there to turn out to vote, will many of those voters show up on tuesday. the numbers that i saw over the weekend was that african-american vote was around
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29% turnout. that's an encouraging number, but clearly there are many more people out there. we know that the african-american community makes up a large base in the democratic party in georgia. we still need more people to turn out. people don't like when i give this analogy, but i remind people of the super bowl loss that we don't like to talk about a lot regarding the atlanta falcons and patriots. we were leading up through the half, and then we lost to them in overtime. well, we are leading in the early vote in georgia. but if we don't push all the way through, if we don't make it until the final second, final minute in turning out that vote, then we could fall short, so people can't rest on this record turnout. they cannot get comfortable. we have to keep pushing and turn out because there's so much at stake this this election. >> former atlanta mayor, keisha
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lance bottoms, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> and i can confirm as a lifelong atlanta falcons fan, it's so true, and lemire, stop your smirking over there. >> beaming. >> my brother called me up at the end of the third quarter, can you believe the falcons are going to win a super bowl, i said no. and they didn't, you were right. >> coming up at the top of the hour, steve kornacki will join us at the big board breaking down where the key races stand at this point. also ahead, when elon musk took over twitter, he promised to protect all forms of free speech. it seems that free speech ends if you're making fun of him. we'll explain what's happening on the platform. "morning joe" will be right back.
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all right. >> my theme song, pretty vacant. joining us now, nbc sports soccer analyst, author of the new book "gods of soccer." and of course, the author of the number one smash best-seller reborn in america. sold more copies that the guttenberg bible and gone with the wind combined. wee very excited to have you on, roger. so jonathan lemire and i have been suffering in silence over liverpool's dreadful season, but they pulled one out yesterday. >> there's always hope. premier league football keeps
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rolling on. boston red sox for now own liverpool, in the midst of the worst start of the season in premier league history. desperate for glory, what felt like a must-win. for you and lemiere, they got off to a barn stormer. 11th minute, the finish ruthless. best thing occupant of egypt since the bangles. self-sabotage, this had the equivalent of twitter charging $8 for a blue check. finished 2-0, but tottenham are an incredible second half team and they rolled back with this fine finish from harry k., underneath the self loathing skin of any englishman, there's an apex there, and liverpool, 2-1. fist bumps of glory return. a big german care bear. misplaced hope is back, mika.
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we've got a military that is more interested in pronouns than in winning wars. we have got an fbi, an fbi that is more interested in treating parents as domestic terrorists than in prosecuting real terrorists. >> boy, i tell you what. that's the insurrectionist, josh hawley. >> such a disappointment. >> republicans used to support the united states military. used to support the fbi. used to support law enforcement.
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and this is what's so crazy. they lose one election, they lose one election, and suddenly -- >> he's mr. insurrection. >> they turn on the military. they turn on madisonian democracy. they turn on law enforcement. they talk about defunding the fbi. it's really just crazy. robert gibson, do you ever think we would get to a point where republicans would lose one election and then you hear a lot of this. this isn't a one-off. these people love attacking the united states military. >> you watch that clip and the first thing i think of is, as a staffer watching a rally like that, you begin to scramble, we have to say something about this. we can't let somebody go up on the stage and say that and have them believe that's our belief. >> right. >> and it's fairly stunning because, i mean, it was a hit and run with the military, the fbi, law enforcement. really stunning.
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and it shows you, i think, too, there aren't a lot of consequences to that kind of rhetoric. republicans aren't feeling like there's the consequence of that sort of criticism, which is a remarkable place to be in 2022. >> and there's a trashing of the military, the trashing of our top generals, jonathan, and you even had senators at the beginning of the russian/ukrainian war saying, i wish that our military could be as manly as the russian military. anybody who understands where the united states military is today, understands they are stronger, more powerful, more well versed in urban warfare. the strongest fighting military
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machine in the history, in the history of this world. and yet republicans, because they lost one election, republicans are trashing the men and women who serve the united states armed forces. it's breathtakingly stupid, first of all. it is also just unpatriotic. >> i believe senator ted cruz is among those who approvingly tweeted video of macho russian soldiers. this is, we can take a step back, before 2020, let's remember donald trump began an onslaught on the military, questioned the patriotism of john mccain, said he preferred heroes that didn't get captured. throughout his time in office, he belittled the pentagon, belittled his generals who worked for him. he turned on them because they wouldn't say yes to everything he asked them to do. that became evidence the military was part of the deep state conspiring against him. they didn't want to go forward with the trump agenda and post
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this election, they have been rapped up with the fbi and law if forcement with other parts of the government that the republicans used to stand behind. used to say that's where we are. such a key part of their identity. now they have turned their back because they have followed trump's lead. that's another moment where they feel like the deep state is conspiring against them. >> let's bring in nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board. so we're a day away here. how does it look? >> well, we do have our final nbc poll. we can take you through, it came out yesterday, look at the generic ballot. registered voters in our poll here. we have it dead even, 47% democrats, 47% republicans. the question asked, which party do you want to see controlling congress here. what makes this so interesting is that number is a bit at odds with this number. historically, joe biden, his approval rating clocking in at 44%. disapprove, well over 50%. historically, this has been a number that has meant big
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trouble for the incumbent's party. put this in some perspective. from our final nbc poll before all of the recent first term midterms for president, 44 is right in line with where trump was in 2018. that was a 40-seat loss for the republicans. right in line with obama in 2010. that was a 63-seat loss for democrats. you see the one outlier here back in 2002, george w. bush, one year post-9/11, he had a 63% approval rating that he carried into election day. republicans picked up a handful of seats in that midterm election. so biden right in the danger zone, just in terms of his approval rating. you layer on top of that what people say in poll after poll, is the top issue on their minds as they make up their minds in this election, the economy. state of satisfaction with the economy, 19% satisfied. 81% dissatisfied. you basically have to go back to the crash, to the great recession, 2009, 2010, that
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awful midterm year for barack obama, to find numbers like this. so why would the generic ballot be tied in our poll with headwinds like this for democrats? the simplest answer is they did pick up on our pollsters did, a shift in the last couple weeks on that question of enthusiasm. this is the biggest wild card here, we're expecting 120, 130 million people to turn out in this midterm election. that number, those numbers, that range. totally, totally wildly above what we're used to seeing in past midterms. it started to change in 2018. the last time we took a poll, republicans had a nine-point enthusiasm advantage over democrats. in our new poll, it sits now tied at 73. so democrats if they're going to carry hope into the midterm election, we rarely, rarely see a white house party actually pick up house seats. it's happened twice since the great depression in a midterm election. we often see the white house party get blown out, especially
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with the kinds of numbers i just showed you with joe biden. if democrats are carrying some hope into tomorrow for a better than expected day, i think this is the number that speaks to it, that in the end, there just ends up being an equal level of enthusiasm here. it carries democrats to the polls who may not be wild about biden, may not be wild about the state of the economy. maybe it's reaction to the republicans, but that would be the hope of democrats if you look at that generic ballot and their hope to sort of survive against what we just showed you are some absolutely brutal historical headwinds. again, to remind you, looking at the senate battleground map. five most vulnerable democrats, five most vulnerable republicans. pennsylvania, where everyone was, obama, trump, biden this weekend, so important for democrats in their senate hopes because again, this is the best opportunity for democrats to pick off a currently republican held senate seat, and if democrats can pick that up in pennsylvania, they could absorb
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a loss in one of these blue states here. you see the most vulnerable democrats here. you could have your own opinion about where that might be, but there's warning signs for democrats in nevada, in georgia in particular, and actually a wild card that's emerged in the last week or two here, new hampshire. sort of a quirky, funky state politically. new hampshire suddenly could be at risk for democrats. they have to get that win in pennsylvania, if they do, they could absorb a loss somewhere else on the board and retain control of the senate. >> so, steve, we were talking over here about nevada. and the race there. jon ralston, who we all watch what he says, thinks the democrats actually are going to hold on to that seat. have you seen any polling that would suggest that? >> we have seen polling that shows it dead even in nevada. and i think his projection would be, he's saying a narrow, very narrow victory for catherine cortez masto, the incumbent, but we'll take out nevada and show
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you the dynamics at work there. again, the matchup, catherine cortez masto, adam laxalt. polling has been close here. take a look at 2020, the presidential result here in nevada. 2 1/2-point victory for joe biden over donald trump. basically equal to what happened in 2016. 2 1/2, 2 point, 4-point margin for hillary clinton over donald trump. the story in nevada has been go back a decade to the obama re-election in 2012. folks were starting to talk about nevada as more of a blue state and less of a swing state. you could see obama won by basically seven points in 2012. this is a place where trump made surprising inroads in 2016 and really kind of held those inroads in 2020. if you want to dig deep into it, what you find is that trump actually between '16 and '20, he actually improved his performance a bit in clark county. that's like 70% of the vote is going to come out of the las vegas area. trump lost it, but he actually improved his standing a bit in
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clark county. might be part of the national story that came out of 2020 where there were some surprising trump and republican gains with hispanic voters. but trump lost ground up here in washoe county where reno is. it ended up being a 2 1/2-point margin state wide. look, the polling has been close. rolston put his prediction in. he has a pretty good track record. he knows the state, certainly raises the possibility democrats could hold the seat, but it's one republicans certainly believe is one of their best pickup opportunities tomorrow as well. >> and steve, take a look at virginia, if you could talk about why that state is important and especially kind of determining how the rest of the night might go possibly, and also our next guest is abigail spanberger, how her race looks. >> so virginia has the 7:00 p.m. eastern closing time. at least in theory, we'll see how fast they count the vote, but we would get an early readout from a couple crucial congressional districts. in the second district, the virginia beach area, lane lurie
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is the democrat. she's part of that class of 2018. jen kigens, republicans very excited about her as a nominee. you see this is a biden plus two district. biden carried it by two points. glenn youngkin last year running for governor of virginia won the same district by double digits. this is the kind of race that's sort of a baseline test for republicans. if they're winning biden plus two districts around the country, that's probably going to be enough for them to get the house. it may not be enough to get a huge majority in the house, but enough to get the house. this is kind of a baseline test. then you talk about a race, you're mentioning the seventh district, abigail spanberger, leslie vega. this was changed by the redistricting in virginia. it used to be a richmond suburb district. the lines have moved north. they're creeping into the d.c. metro area. prince william county, fast growing, diverse, right outside washington, d.c. county.
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a big chunk of that is now in this district. for spanberger, two challenges here. one, new constituents she hasn't had to face before. hasn't had to deal with before. two, while biden did carry the district by six points in 2020, again, last year in the 2021 gubernatorial election in virginia, this was a youngkin plus five district. so i look at the seventh district of virginia, if two is a baseline test for republicans, are they winning the sort of biden plus two, if they're winning biden plus six districts, if republicans are winning this tomorrow night, now we're starting to talk about some kind of a wave forming for republicans. and then you can make your way up, actually, to the tenth district here. this is the area that's right outside washington, really trended democratic overwhelmingly in the last decade or so. republicans are very excited about their recruit in this race. biden plus 18. if this race is competitive, inside five points, something like that, i think you're talking about a real republican wave taking hold tomorrow night. >> all right, steve kornacki, we'll see you again real soon.
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incumbent congresswoman abigail spanberger of virginia joins us now. we were just taking a closer look at the state of your race. district that was youngkin plus five, and you just got the endorsement of liz cheney. how much do you think that will help given the odds in this race? >> i think it's important because it demonstrates, again, i'm building a coalition of people who are focused on governance, on functional government. i have the endorsement of congressman cheney, and she said really, i think, definitive things in the contrast between my opponent and me and why she's chosen to endorsement. i also have an endorsement from the chamber of commerce, from a local police chief, and importantly, from constituents across our district of all political stripes. and it speaks to the fact that i am doing good work on the ground, both as a congressperson and certainly as i run for re-election across our district.
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>> congresswoman, it's katty kay here. this weekend, in a way you are the perfect candidate for your district. you're a former cia case officer. you're now in a district with a lot of federal workers including pentagon workers and members of the intelligence community. you have distanced yourself in the past from the left of the party. if you can't win virginia seventh district on tuesday, what does it suggest about the fate of the democratic party more broadly on a national level? >> katty, i'm going to win on tuesday, tomorrow. what it says about the party or at least my work in congress is when you're focused on the ground about the issues that matter to people, cutting costs, focused on prescription drug prices and the impact on people's lives, recognizing the challenges at the meat counter or at the gas pump, when you're focused on making real investments in our community like the infrastructure bim, like our chips bill, and when
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you're resolute in wanting to protect our rights, abortion rights, voting rights, that is a message that resonates with people. in addition to the fact that i am not only governing by being present and accountable to the people that i currently represent, but for those constituents who have been added to the district, i have been campaigning everywhere so people have a chance to meet me and more importantly i have a chance to talk to them about what's important to them. >> congresswoman, some of the most optimistic public polling that i have seen for democrats shows an energized younger voter base, 18 to 39. do you feel like in your district that's an energized voter base that you'll need to get out tomorrow? >> for the purposes of engaging in our democracy, we want our youngest voters to feel that our democracy belongs to them, frankly because the policies i'm working on on capitol hill, those long term impacts matter in fact most to our youngest
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voters and to the next generations. in our district, i certainly continue to see engaged enthusiasm from young voters. a lot of first-time voters voting early, voting with their parents. there's a celebratory or kind of life event tone. i met one woman who has triplets and she's taking each of her triplets out to vote on different days early. so yes, it is exciting to see so many younger voters. and not just the younger voters but kids going with their parents because their parents want to make sure they understand the importance of casting a ballot so they're ready to do it when they turn 18. >> democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger of virginia. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. we have steve rattner here with us. and you're looking -- >> you know what he brought? >> did he bring the charts? >> wake up the kids. ratner has the chart. >> got some charts. >> you're looking at the money
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race. >> money race. yes, two things to tell you about the money race. first, is the extraordinary money being spent. and secondly, the fact that democrats don't have a money problem. they may have other problems but money is not one. the first chart shows you the total amount of spending expected in this race. these are inflation adjusts so that increase you see is after inflation. we're expecting something like $9 billion to be spent on these just on the senate and congressional races this cycle. and by comparison, we spent $1.7 billion before adjusting for inflation back in 2000. just to put it in more context, in one senate race, just in georgia, there's going to be $250 million spent by both sides. and i think many of us around this table can remember when 10% of that would have been a reasonable amount for a state like georgia in a senate race. $250 million. $250 million could provide
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something like 20 meals for people who need food, again, to put that in some context of why this is maybe not the best use of our money. >> unbelievable. so tell me about the democrats. it surprises me, because i have seen articles showing that so many of the massive donors are republican business people. >> and they are, and i'm going to talk about that, but let me show you before we -- let me show you the whole picture and take four senate races we have all been talking about a lot. you can see what's going on here. so the blue bars to the left is democrats. the red bars to the right are republicans. the darker colors are what we call hard money, the $2900 that is the most valuable money for campaigns because they get discounted television time, and the shaded colors are soft money, the billionaires and also lots of other smaller people. >> by the way, it's been a while since i have run. what are the limits now for hard money? >> $29 for the general. >> per person. >> per person. >> so the democrats do very well with that, not surprisingly,
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because they have a lot of small money donors. you can see in nevada, the dark blue bar is many times the size of the red bar. even when you put in the soft money, in nevada, $18 million spent by democrats to $60 million spent by the republicans. cortes masto has outspent laxalt by two to one and is still looking at what she's looking at. in arizona, $128 million by mark kelly compared to $48 million for blake masters. >> that's fascinating because all we have heard is about peter thiel and his money to masters. but actually, democrats like you said doing exceptionally well on the money side there. >> yeah, peter thiel's $10 million is in there, but it still only gets him to $47 million. the most expensive race is pennsylvania. and also the closest on the money race, $151 million for fetterman. $121 million for dr. oz.
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>> so democrats -- are democrats outspending republicans nationwide this year? >> yeah. that is the takeaway from all this. democrats have raised a good bit more money than republicans. >> so forgive me for asking this next question. you have to ask the question. >> yes. >> so have democrats figured out how to use citizens united more effectively than republicans? >> yeah, in part. they have. first of all, they do much better in the hard money. you can see the dark colored bars, the $2900 money. but yeah, they do quite well. let me show you that on the next chart. this is the so-called soft money. your billionaires are on the left, the top 50 mega donors. and you can see that the republicans do substantially outcontribute the democrats. seven of the ten largest individual donors are republicans. that is a fact. that little bit of shading is george soros who put $127
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million in his pac but has only spent $15 million. the democrats do get well outraised and outspent by the -- >> what does that mean? is he not spending the money? >> he has put it into his political action committee but it hasn't come out yet. >> what is he waiting for? >> you have to ask him. >> isn't the election tomorrow? >> let me ask you quickly, on the republican mega donor side, has the guy that runs the federalist society, leonard leo, who like inherited $1.6 billion, has that started to be spent yet. >> it's not in these numbers. it may show up in the final numbers but he's not among the top donors at this moment. but to your point about the democrats feeding on soft money. we had a huge gap on the top 50 mega donors. when you add all the outside spending, less wealthy people, smaller organizations, it's almost no gap. the democrats have almost as
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much soft money as the republicans. let me also say, this is not the biggest part of the campaign spending. all this stuff adds to up about $1.7 billion or $1.8 billion out of the $8 billion i was talking about before. most of the money that gets raised and spent is hard dollar money or money by the official committees. small donors. or the official committees, the democratic senatorial committees and the republican one and so on and so forth. it's pretty surprising. not what you would have guessed. >> not at all. >> a few days ago, ted cruise questioned what donald trump was doing, why hasn't he spent it? these numbers are astronomical. what does this portend for 2024? are we going to be off -- even one of your charts, are we going to be off them? >> we're in a ridiculous stupid arms race. an enormous amount of resources that could be put to better use. a lot has to do with citizens
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united. a lot has to do with energy. people are engaged so it includes opening up their wallets. and unless we do something about it, yeah, the next race is going to be a bit more expensive than this race. >> the last chart, i'm a little confused. overall, who has raised the most money this election cycle, democrats or republicans? >> democrats by a margin. i don't have a chart, but when you add up the pieces, the democrats have substantially outraised. they have problems, money is not one of them. you have to say what where the democrats' problems. >> reverend al, you interviewed president biden yesterday for your radio show. here's what he said about what it would mean if democrats were to lose control of congress. >> we just have such opportunities if we just step up. my concern this election though is if we don't win, they're going to wipe out everything we have done. i'll be able to veto some of the stuff, but some of it they're going to wipe out. it's going to go away.
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and it makes no sense. >> and he does have a lot of wins on the board. democrats have a lot to brag about because of what joe biden has been able to accomplish. >> he wanted to come and really lay out, because we were on many black radio stations as well as sirius xm, and i want to play the whole thing this afternoon. he wanted to lay out what he has accomplished and that he would have done more if he did not have blocking from the senate republicans. and what a lot of people don't realize, we complain, and rightfully so, that we didn't get the john lewis voter protection bill or the george floyd bill. but every republican voted against the john lewis voting bill. every one. we kind of emphasize and got angry at the two democrats, sinema and west virginia, manchin, for not going with the filibuster, but we forget the
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overwhming republican vote, not one broke and voted for the voting bill. not one wanted to support george floyd, yet the president was able to get some things done, very substantial things done, and that's what we talk about on the radio. >> reverend al sharpton and steve rattner, thank you both very much for being on this morning. >> still ahead on "morning joe," president biden makes a stop in pennsylvania and takes on republican senate candidate dr. oz. we'll show you that moment. plus, former president donald trump was also on the campaign trail over the weekend, rallying for, as the "wall street journal" editorial board put it, himself. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. e real hone, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry.
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pennsylvania longer than oz has lived in pennsylvania. and i moved away when i was 10 years old. >> oh, my god. >> it's funny because it's true. >> or is it not funny? >> this guy is a transplant. he is as culturally disconnected from this state as anybody i have ever seen running for the united states senate. >> i mean, you only have to take a look at him to know that. but also, just that footage of donald trump behind oz. it's like, it looks like a hostage situation. so you have to wonder if you're a voter, like, if you're a republican, does that inspire confidence? who is this guy going to be standing for once he gets into office? it's not the voters. right? so it's the guy behind him looming over his shoulder menacingly. >> that's what donald trump wants everybody to know. you look how he emasculated
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little butters in ohio. jd vance. saying he would -- what did he say? quote, kiss my ass, something like that, he'll do whatever i tell him to do. then butters gets up to the microphone and says, aren't we having fun? so donald trump actually wants the people of these states to know that they're going to have republican senators who have been politically emasculated and are going to be loyal to donald trump first. i'm not sure how that works at the voting booth because most voters i know, most voters i have dealt with, like their politicians independent. >> well, unless they like donald trump more. unless actually what they want is somebody is, as jd vance was called, going to suck up to donald trump and that's what they want because they're die-hard trump fans. the trouble, as we know, they are only 30% of the electorate that feels that and that leaves
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an awful lot of people you have to persuade beyond that. it's interesting the relationship with ron desantis. why is trump so mad at ron desantis? why doesn't he turn up at a rally with him? it's purely because he feels he made ron desantis and he wasn't grateful enough. i spent some time this weekend with glenn youngkin in virginia who has a very different relationship with donald trump because he doesn't owe donald trump anything. he doesn't owe donald trump his victory in virginia and in the kind of weird sort of power dynamic of testosterone that fuels donald trump's relationships with most people, that kind of gives glenn youngkin a certain amount of stature and independence from him. it actually, i think, makes him a more formidable opponent one day to donald trump than ron desantis could be. >> we spoke with congresswoman abigail spanberger as she faces a tough bid for re-election in virginia. katty kay staked out that competitive district over the weekend and brings us the latest on that battleground next on "morning joe."
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katty kay, you spent the weekend in a state that could be yet again a bellwether. the state of virginia. watching the candidates there. what did you see, what did you hear? >> yeah, i went to virginia's seventh district which is this race between abigail spanberger which is part of the blue wave that brought this group of centrist democrats in while president trump was still in office. people like elissa slotkin, people like abigail spanberger with her cia background. really kind of ideal democratic candidate for that district, runs in the middle.
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distances herself from certain of her party's policies. has taken on the left of her party, and yet is in trouble. she's running in a very tight race. i went there because i think on election night, virginia seven will give us a pretty good indication of whether it's going to be a good night for democrats or a very good night for republicans. and the thing that really struck me, i went to the two rallies these two women were giving. vega's rally, a little mini trump rally. a couple hundred people, rock music. she had youngkin there. spanberger's rally, there were, what, a dozen people, and that might be optimistic. much more low key. she says it's because she wants to do one-on-one meetings post covid with her constituents, but if you had to judge energy, there was more energy at the vega rally. interestingly, vega, the republican candidate trump endorsed did not mention donald trump either. spanberger not mentioning biden,
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>> anyway -- >> former president trump at a campaign rally on saturday with that comment about chinese leader xi jinping. and joining us now, the host of way too early, jonathan lemire. and look at him, president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. i like it. i can't tell which i like better. >> i like the sean connery. >> yeah? i think he looks great today. >> richard, let's just talk about that for one moment. because it bears repeating that donald trump loves autocrats. he loves xi, he has been talking about this president for life thing for a while now. he greatly admired how xi was setting that up. he loves kim jong-un, talks about the love letters. he of course has a warm place in his heart for vladimir putin, called him a genius for invading
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ukraine, and what historians will see as perhaps the greatest military misstep since maybe the germans declaring war on america in '41 when they didn't have to. but at the same time, this guy hates democratically elected leaders. he hated britain's prime ministers. he hated macron. he hates people that get elected in democratic systems. i'm just curious what your take is. >> please, explain. >> this guy was president of the united states. and i'm so glad that he's coming out talking again and reminding people what a thug he is, what a fascist he is, what an authoritarian he is. if somebody out there on the internet does not believe he's those three things, please, submit your essays. i look forward to reading them and grading them. >> what's so interesting and take the three you mentioned, xi jinping, vladimir putin, and kim
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jong-un, what does he have to show for it? north korea, busy shooting missiles, developing nuclear weapons, has far more missiles and nuclear weapons than before he became president. >> barack obama, obama said your number one priority, your number one problem is going to be north korea moving toward the development of nuclear weapons that they can launch towards america. donald trump has been an abject -- when i hear people going, he was a blow hard but he got a lot of things done. no, he didn't. his grade on north korea is an f, everything that's happening right now is owed in large part to donald trump. >> we got played on north korea. china, xi jinping is now starting his third term. what has he done in the first two terms? consolidated power, repressed
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people, violated hong kong, misled the world on covid. chinese economy went from double digit growth to 3% growth. we have that. and then vladimir putin obviously has committed the biggest violation of international law that we have seen. so it would be one thing if outreach to authoritarians got you something. but it got us not just nothing, we're worse off in our relations with all three. >> all three of those authoritarians, all three of them have behaved in a way that's far worse, and let's go ahead and talk about saudi arabia as well. let's throw them into the lot. he absolutely loves mbs. and has his behavior gotten better or worse since donald trump became president? >> obviously, you had yemen, you had the khashoggi murder, and again, it's okay to have a foreign policy that doesn't focus on the domestic nature of
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other countries. that's what realism is about, but then you have to focus on the foreign policy of other countries and begin to change it. that's where essentially we missed the ball there. also, as you say, we had terrible relations with democrats, with merkel, with the british, with the french, with some of the people in asia with the exception probably of japan, but we're threatening to pull forces out of south korea. i was in south korea last week. 60% of people favor having their own nuclear weapons. why? because they face a growing threat from the north and they no longer feel they can count on the united states. >> why is that, because donald trump. we bob woodward in on friday. and what's he doing? you know, bloviating about how the south koreans owe their very existence to us and they're going to have to pay us more money or else he's going to pull support. >> when the united states becomes unpredictable and undependable, every other government in the world, they
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take out the file and they call hedge against the united states doesn't have our back. and what that means is one of two options. they either defer or appease powerful neighbor, an iran, china, russia, or they bekim strategically autonomous. they start thinking about things like nuclear weapons. this is not the world we want to see. >> coming up, we're going to go watch what happens live when andy cohen joins the conversation. he joins us here on the set straight ahead on "morning joe."
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to you served as a senator from 2001 to 2009. what senator is the biggest blow hard? >> too many to count. >> i would have to say ted cruz is the eternal blow hard, right? >> the eternal blow hard. >> it's 54 past the hour. that was a question from the game "plead the fifth" on bravo's "watch what happens live." he pointed how hillary clinton has never pleaded the fifth, and donald trump hundreds of times in a recent deposition. guess who's here right now? >> happy 15th anniversary, folks. >> thank you. can you believe it? >> no. it's not like "watch what happens live," but watch what happens when the camera's not on. when the camera wasn't on, mika started insulting --
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>> she insulted me on the commercial break. she said i look cadaver-esque. >> i said you look tired. >> i think you look dashing. >> i got a little feeling of what it maybe feels like to be joe. >> she tells me all the time. constant. >> honey, you have a feeling of what it's like to do these hours. it is not good. >> right. i'm very excited about your 15th anniversary. >> aw. thank you. >> great. >> how long have you been doing your gig? >> 13 1/2 years. >> whoa. >> "watch what happens live." >> it's great. >> when you started that, i'm wondering, did people think, oh, that's going to last a minute. >> i didn't think it was going to last. >> the first couple times i saw it, probably the first couple times you saw "morning joe," this is kind of cool for this year. it's not to going to last. >> okay.
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>> people don't know what's going to be a success. >> they don't. >> it took off like crazy. >> it did. >> you're bringing it back. thank you, joe. >> it may be the single greatest broadcast show. >> you just did such a trump thing, which is many people -- too many people suggest -- >> i don't know. >> i love it that you two are a couple. >> oh, my god. >> i don't need to discuss it. >> we don't. >> when you leave the show -- do you ever leave here and say you didn't let me speak today? >> yes. >> do you ever say you didn't let me make my point? >> the election is tomorrow. >> what's funny is people say i talk over here and they go, let mika talk, it's horrible. and all the men are, like, wait a second, you don't think mika
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is not, like, running everything here? to your point, if i ever do anything she doesn't like, we all hear about it. >> wow. >> she's a brzezinski. >> yes, she is. >> i'm very sweet. >> have you ever what? >> have you ever -- >> what? >> on the wrong side of mika? >> no. not mika. >> occasionally. >> a couple times. >> a couple times. >> i get feedback. i get feedback. >> but honestly, talking with andy about the election not about, you know, us. we don't do that. >> you can talk about anything you want. it's great to see you. >> i always love coming here. >> it's big day. >> it is. how are you feeling about it? >> the future of america is all in our hands. >> literally. >> i woke up depressed, but then i realized it's the great hope
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of america. this is in our hands. if we are worried about -- >> go do something. >> -- about abortion rights being taken away, or gay rights, we can pick up our grandmas or friends and go to the polls and make it happen. make a change. maybe today should be full of optimism about what tomorrow should be. >> i can't pick up my grandma. she passed away. >> i'm sorry. >> again -- >> i am sorry. >> i don't even know this guy. >> it's true. tom brokaw told me back in 2008 when everybody was predicting that hillary clinton was going to get wiped out in new hampshire, he said, you know, why don't we just wait till the voters go out? so everybody trying to tell us what's going to happen tomorrow, the voters haven't spoken yet. >> yes. i am, though, worried about
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what's happening in our state. >> yeah. >> i was out campaigning for kathy hochul over the weekend, and i think democrats in new york state need to wake up a little bit because lee zeldin is very close to her. she is an election denier. he is a mini trump. climate change denier. he wants to take abortion off the menu for new yorkers. he voted against gay marriage. so i'm concerned. i think people in this state need to wake up. >> you put a video out with new york governor kathy hochul on why you're choosing to vote for her. let's take a look at that. >> okay. >> governor, is the man you're running against an election denier? >> yes. >> is he a climate change denier? >> yes. >> has he voted against gay marriage? >> yes, he has. >> has he voted against commonsense gun laws? >> yes. >> governor, do you want to keep us safe and protect us? >> yes, i do. >> do you want to allow
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