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we are in it now, the final full day of campaigning in the last hours of this election, as we come on the air, with our nbc news team, all across the country, covering it all this hour, live, we've got reports from our campaign correspondents, with the candidates talking to voters, and breaking new reporting on the races that are going to decide the balance of power in washington. a balance of power that tens of millions of people are already weighing in on. you've got some 40 million ballots already cast, right? sure, election day is tomorrow, but a lot of people are not waiting. this comes after lawsuits are already coming in over absentee and mail-in votes and a potential first for congress, the new faces who could be headed to washington, and why there's never been anybody like them in congress before, we've got a look at that later on in the show. i'm hallie jackson with you now from our election headquarters in new york city, we've got our nbc news team set up across the country. dasha burns is in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. ellison barber in georgia. and vaughn hillyard in phoenix,

arizona. ali vitali delray beach florida, and priscilla thompson in texas. and ron desantis has been finishing up the speech in the last couple of minutes. largely a gubernatorial speech. and charty krifrt is out there as well. tell us how it feels on the ground. >> it feels like how the polls show us it is, that desantis has had a consisting and commanding lead here in his re-election battle and barn storming the state today, just as he has been doing over the weekend. and chris is -- citi is doing the same. at the stop before this one, when he was over the weekend in pennsylvania, he seemed to give desantis a nickname, making clear that while we're still squarely in 2022, trump at least is looking ahead to 2024, and the collision course that he could be on with the sitting

florida governor, so much so that my conversations here with voters have me wondering if i am doing one of my last live shots of 2022 or the first live shots of 2024, because plane of the voters that i have been talking to here at the trump rally yesterday and here at the desantis rally today, are aware of the fact that both trump and desantis have presidential aspirations, that could put them on a crash course, and force their voters to choose between them. each of them teased out various reasons why they should go with trump or stay with desantis, and most of the voters say they don't have to make that decision, even though it is looking ever more likely that they will, though i will have to say, that's a decision in the future. for the present, the thing i'm looking for here in florida is the fact that this is a state that is so swing-y, it is so thick with these razor thin margins in elections, but this cycle, if you look at the top of the ticket races, you've got desantis with an average of double digit lead, you've got

val demings trailing marco rubio by more than 5 points in the polling averages. these are such big margins, for a state like florida, and it only speaks to the larger conversation that republicans have been having, which is this is a state that was swing-y but tilting red, and now maybe in the solidly red column after we see what the results are on tuesday. >> ali vitali, i will say one of the first live shots of 2024, lay out that unpopular opinion. >> thank you. >> you have with the last batch of undecided voters there, and what is interesting, how nationalized is has become, dasha burns, and i was speaking a republican in arizona and cited the john fetterman race in pennsylvania why he was leaning away from the republican party and this is resonating with people. >> yes, whether you're in pennsylvania or not, you're probably talking about john fetterman versus dr. oz, and there are so many issues at stake here, too, that matter to the nation. right now, we are at the headquarters for the pennsylvania democrats here in

pittsburgh, and folks, right now, as we speak, folks are checking in now for the canvas to go out once again, we are out in the streets earlier, with some canvassers, and i asked them why they're spending their monday doing this. one of the canvassers we spoke with, susan, she retired on september 1st, she told me that that very day, she had brunch with her husband to celebrate her retirement and came here and said put me to work. she is at work here, making some phone calls back there right now, and this is an election that everyone i talked to really feels is so high-stakes. i want you to take a listen to what some canvassers told me earlier. people, no matter your religion, your color, your race, who you love, and all of that, it is accepted, and i feel that people like john fetterman are actually doing that. >> i can think of at least a dozen things at home that my wife would rather have me be doing but i think it is more important in the long run that i come out here and make sure that my pregnant wife and my little

2-year-old girl don't grow up in a country that's a fascist state. >> that was philip you heard from last there, he is a carpenter, he's very passionate about unions and that has been a big part of the fetterman campaign. look, we saw in the final nbc news poll that about two-thirds of voters have made up their mind about which way they were going to vote by labor day. so the last couple of months has really been about that last third, and in the final stretch, it is that tiny, tiny slice of people who are undecided but could make a difference because the polls show this race is a dead heat right now. and for these folks going out today, it's ultimately going to be about persuading voters not just to vote for fetterman but also to just go out and vote. it really is coming down to turnout in the final stretch here. >> no surprise on that front. dasha burns, thank you. ellison, your turn, my friend. you are in a state where we had just seen such razor-thin

margins, at least in polling, and talk to me what you heard from voters and georgia had a lot of people already vote and a lot of people yet to do so. >> high early voting numbers here. look, most voters who we have spoken to i think relate to the georgia senate race. most republican voters we talked to, they say that they are voting for change in washington. most of the democratic voters that we're speaking to of late, they say that they feel like democracy and character are on the ballot. look, the stakes here are very high. this is a race that could very well determine which party controls the united states congress, and georgia voters know that, and voters we have spoken to, they have a lot of issues on their minds. listen. >> i used to be voting one way, but women have a right to do what she wants to do with her body. >> the policies and the changes, it is cut throat. >> i care about health care, and just making sure everyone's insured and i feel like we need

that as georgians. >> herschel walker has no experience. but in the end, i'm looking at a change in washington. and to make a change, we need a republican senate. senator. >> reporter: you know, two, three weeks ago, when i was talking to you, i talked about how any time we speak to a voter regardless of political affiliation, they will say one of the top issues is economy and concerns about inflation, and we are still hearing that, but i noticed in the last few days as we get closer and closer to the end of this race, or potential end, assuming there may not be a runoff, which remains to be seen, i keep hearing more and more voters saying it is the economy and x, y, and z. we're seeing senator warnock with a more aggressive posture with the character questions of herschel walker and we haven't seen it create a big bump in the polls but as it gets closer obviously democrats are hoping

that maybe they can shift those polls some, because right now, it is still just a statistical dead heat between the two of them and we're just hearing both of them really trying to hammer in to voters that the other guy is not equipped for the united states senate. hallie? >> you say the potential end of the race, ellison. super quickly, i wonder how much you're hearing about voter fatigue, and somebody said in florida, i hope it doesn't go to a runoff because i'm sick of the ads on either side. that is a real sentiment, i think. >> yes, i hear the exact same thing. i grew up in this state, and just looking at the commercials, the bit of tv i am able to watch, i never remember seeing the amount of political ads that are on the air waves here when i was a kid here, either, 10, 15-plus years ago. people are absolutely exhausted. the candidates, the campaigns, they're exhausted. no one here wants to see a runoff. but right now, unless we see some big change, higher turnout, or the polls are really off, it looks like it is very possible that could happen. because a candidate can't just

win in this state. they have to win with a majority of the vote. otherwise, it goes to that december runoff. we did ask warnock about this recently, he had been gathering with reporters at events, walker has not been, and the other day, when a reporter asked him about this very issue, the idea of a runoff in savannah, he said that he is still optimistic, hopeful that they can clinch this on tuesday, but he said its f-not we will soldier on -- but he said if not, we will soldier on. >> ellison barber, thank you. and you are fresh off an event with mark kelly who is delivering his closing message, which is hours to go until polls open and close again. and his opponent blake masters has been eating away at some of the lead that kelly has. talk to me about that. >> right, mark kelly, we should note, this event that he just held was a republicans for kelly event, and two of the individuals that attended were jack mccain and andy mccain, two of john mccain's sons. this is a part of their very

clear effort that not only looking at 2020, but continuing to mount here in 2022, it is that effort to win over these arizona independent voters. even the conservatives who are reticent to the likes of trump-ism. and then on the other hand you have kari lake, blake masters, and the entire gop slate of candidates, they're about to arrive here shortly, in north phoenix, before making their way up to prescott and scottsdale for events here and campaigning alongside the likes of steve bannon, charlie kirk. this is a situation in which when we're talking about turnout, this is three-fold. the number of early ballots coming in from bright blue pima county, the greater tucson area, they're coming in at a sturdy pace that makes democrats happy. but then you've got the rural counties which in 2020 turned in their ballots late and they are expected to, in even a higher number, vote tomorrow, at the polling places here, and these voters are important here, because we used to have the saying, whichever way maricopa county goes, the greater phoenix area, so will go the state.

but what happened in 2020 was that donald trump actually lost maricopa county by 2 percentage points. but then still almost won the statewide race. and that was because he surged out republicans in the rural parts of the state like never before, record turnout and that's the likes of kari lake and blake masters are relying on. the third component is the independent voters. and folks that i have talked to over the last 24 hours, are really looking at the likes of mark kelly and katie hobbs as democratic candidates as needing to win those independent voters here in arizona by about 3 percentage points here. so that is where you see this late play. not only on the likes of the threats of democracy, on abortion rights, but also on other issues from the economy, but also playing to the likes of the john mccain legacy here. these are important closing messages in order to try to stave off this republican, republican slate of candidates. >> vaughn hillyard, live in phoenix, thank you. >> priscilla, let me go to you, texas, listen, you're in texas, it is a red state with cities

and towns that are traditionally blue. and democrats are on defense a little bit there. tell me about it. >> that's right, hallie, former president bill clinton actually just finished campaigning here for the incumbent democrat representative henry quellar, the former president is now heading on to the 15th congressional district to campaign for the democrat there, and so certainly, bringing in these big names, in the final hours before election day, to ensure that democrats can maintain power in this very blue part of the state. now, why is this shift happening? why are we seeing republicans making gains here? some of that is certainly redistricting. some areas have become more red. but there are also areas that have become more blue. where democrats are still struggling to maintain any sort of power in those areas. and i talked to voters about why they feel like this is happening. i want to play some of what they shared with me.

i don't think that we have that sound ready, but it was sort of a mix of things. they were talking about this is historically a republican state, and it has always been harder for democrats, but i will tell you about the shift that we've seen here in webb county, donald trump when he first ran in 2016, got 23% of the vote in this county, and did about as well as mitt romney did in 2012. by 2020, donald trump had picked up 38% of the vote in this county. so there is something about the republican message that is resonating with voters here. and the question now is will democrats be able to turn out enough voters and really get that enthusiasm up, and right now, it is well below where it was in 2018, and those midterms, and so it really is going to be a question of turnout. in terms of who wins in these three key congressional races in south texas. hallie? >> priscilla thompson live for us in texas. thank you. thanks to dasha, ellison, i see

vaughn sticking around, too, we appreciate it. we will see you many times over the next course of 36 hours, plus, plus, plus. live on the campaign trail all hour long, including my look at the first-ever gen z candidates running for congress. but by our count there are only two of them and i hit the road to talk with both on both ends of the political spectrum. and we're live in nevada, focusing on a key voting group that could save or maybe not the most vulnerable democrat in the senate. the aclu in court, trying to extend the absent see ballot deadline in one key georgia county. we're live to explain why in 60 seconds. stay with us. one minute. your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network,

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board of elections after a thousand requested absentee ballots were never mailed out. blaine alexander is on, blayne alexander is on the ground in atlanta where she has been posted up for months. talk to us about the back and forth and i'm curious what are the implications here moving forward? >> reporter: i want to start with breaking news. literally in the past two minutes, we found out that that deadline is going to be extended. i spoke with an attorney who spent the mornings inside the courtroom on behalf of the aclu and he said they reached ang agreement with the cobb county board of elections and agreed to extend the deadline to the 14th and it is for those who did not receive absentee ballots and didn't go in person and this is a major argument, hallie, because when you talk about the fact that really in elections this close, every vote matters, there were about 1,000 people who never received their absentee ballots. officials there say it was quite simply just human error. they didn't send it out. but the aclu was saying because it is so close to election day, because so many people have been

without the area, out of state, college, and main would have been disenfranchised if this extension wasn't reached. and they're also pointing the reason for, this they say it is caused directly by sb 202, georgia's new voting law, which essentially slashed the amount of time that both voters have to request their ballots ahead of election day and slash the amount of time that counties have to sends out those ballots before election day. it givens them about half the time that they had before. so they're saying that because they were already in the early voting period, basically people were overworked. things were falling through the cracks. and that's why those thousand or so people never got their ballots. but again, we learned the aclu reached an agreement. that is going to be extended. i reached out to the secretary of state's office as well. remember they vigorously defended this law, essentially saying that it is giving people more access to the ballot and they said that they are going to launch an investigation into what happened here, and try and figure out what happened in this county. hallie? >> a great update. i'm looking now at the

information that has come out literally as i was introducing you which is when we got the breaking news. i'm glad you were able to bring it to us so quickly. they are still waiting for the final signature from the judge when the i's will be dot and the t's will be crossed on this front? >> absolutely. so when i spoke with the attorney who was inside the courtroom, he said they reached an agreement, cobb county says that's what they're going to do, the judge indicated that that's the decision, and they're just waiting for the final, final verdict on this, and one quick note to make about this, cobb county is a county that we've been watching very closely. i've reported to you from cobb county a number of times. it is a suburb of atlanta. and it's one of the places that both democrats and republicans are really eyeing as a key of winning this race. and essentially saying that it is full of swing voters. it is an increasingly diverse area. just outside of atlanta. and so of course, every vote counts across the board but when you're talking about cobb county, that's really a place that people are watching very closely, especially when it comes to the results for tomorrow. >> blaine alexander live in atlanta, thank you. thank you for keeping us up to speed on that. appreciate.

it let's take you out west, where in las vegas, we've got a cabinet member pete buttigieg, the transportation secretary, rallying with the most endangered incumbent senator, catherine cortez masto, the latest high profile democrat to try to get to nevada, former presidents clinton and obama have been there, in the last couple of weeks, if you're like wait a second, what sup with all of the attention. you know why. because her race against republican adam laxalt could decide the control of the senate a toss-up a day before polls closed. she is considered among the most vulnerable dems in the senate. jacob soboroff, and god venegas on the ground in reno. and she is getting help from the culinary group, and do some door knocking and try to get people in the last stretch before the polls actually open. >> i don't think it is an exaggeration to say if there is

one group that could potentially tip the scales, it is the culinary workers union, and it is 50,000, 60,000 strong and it is who makes this place work, the hotel worker, the bartenders, you name it, pounding the pavement, 165,000 different voters, talking to half of the eligible black and latino population in the state, a third of the aapi population, and we've been hanging out with them quite a bit over the course of last two days hearing about what people care about in this state and here is a little sample of what we heard. >> and as you guys have been going door to door, like what's the stuff that people are saying matters most to them? >> it's expensive. i have heard a lot of women' choice, women that are single with kids, their apartments, with rent, the mortgage is going up. everything is going up. >> too expensive to live. >> oh, yes. >> so that's two of the

canvassers that are out of the 450 or so waub can the streets with the culinary union. and one of the things that i thought was so interesting talking to them and those who have come in contact with, this is one of the ground zeros for the election, and adam laxalt, i was here when he made the bogus claim when there were thousands of illegitimate votes completely debunked by investigators and including the republican secretary of state and it was not the top issue and it was issues like they were talking about, that it is so expensive to live here, this is one of the top states for inflation, and one of the top states for unemployment, and it is very clear as you walk around the streets that is one of the deciding issues there. >> jacob, off the strip in vegas, thank you. >> guad, when you look at the zem's political play book -- dem's political play book, trying to stem the losses and in the county where you, are are,

it is not quite as clear cut. >> that's right, hallie, you look at cortez masto and the big events in the county, and then you have washoe in nevada, where you can go into a community and talk to a nonpart san family and they're friends with the guys next door republicans and everyone is friends with the people across the street, the democrats, and they're very unique, it is the nonpartisan voters here in reno, a third of the voters here are nonpartisan, those are the voters who could sway the election one way or another. cortez masto has been spending a lot of time here and laxalt has been going to the rural areas of nevada where republican voters are usually strong. and here, it is up to the nonpart sans who tip the balance one way or the another as the democrats and the republicans speak to their base. we should also talk about the latino voters here about. 16% of eligible voters here are

latino and it is always difficult, when you look at the latino population, we talk about low important this group is, but it is interesting to listen to how many were registered and how many will actually come out and vote in these midterms. that's what is a little difficult. we spoke to a voter here in washoe who is latina who talked about what is important to her. >> do you feel like as a latina that either of the candidates represents you? >> to be honest, no. i feel like, i'm a democrat, and i feel like the republicans are just, man, they're out to get you, you know, the fact that they want to be against abortion and same-sex marriage, i'm married to my life legally and they want to take that away. >> now, over the last few months, we have spoken to democrats and republicans in washoe, and what i can tell you here, that makes voters here very unique, they want to vote for a candidate and not a political party and they want to

see more bipartisanship and that's what makes this area unique. they're upset at the economy, the cost of housing, the cost of gas, and more recently, obviously the abortion issue is also something they have been bringing up, so it will come down to those two things, economy, and economy. and all of the interest in the money, and how important is that to the voters here. versus something like abortion which lass become a front page issue. hallie? >> guad venegas live in renault, nevada. we're looking for you in your reporting on election night and throughout the evening on msnbc, thank you. still ahead on the show, you have former president trump back on the campaign trail in a few hours. and hoping to get a big boost to republicans in ohio. so how much of difference can he really make? house speaker nancy pelosi is back in dc ahead of election day and giving her first interview since that attack on her husband paul telling cnn that her decision on whether she would retire if democrats lose the house will be affected by what

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do i have to remind you that it is election day eve? i'm sure i don't because we're in the final hours of campaigning and less speak specifically about the balance of power in the senate and specifically the senate at stake, and we're live in four key states with big names, big guns coming in, with big pushes happening to get voters to the polls, and let's bring in our team covering all of it, jesse kirsch in ohio, and antonia hilton in north carolina, and shaq brewster. jesse, i'll start with you. we have seen now especially in the last week, the big names coming out, as people are getting more and more interested, as we get closer and closer to election day, the names are bigger and bigger. presidents past and present have come out and rallied for candidates, and where you are in ohio, they've got the republican senate candidate, jd vance, getting a push from former president trump tonight. >> yes, that's right, this is the second time that the two have campaigned together, in the last couple of months. and again, you just said it

there, this is election eve, so that just tells you right there, how important this race is, as former president trump is coming here to stump tonight, at the republican nominee for president, i asked him over the weekend what he wants people to see and take away from the joint appearance here tonight, and he said above all, this is about telling people to get out and vote. so that is the overall message from the republican camp tonight, before the election. and on the democratic side, when i asked congressman tim ryan about this, he said something that you're not going to hear from every democratic candidate out there across the country. he talked about a couple of things about it, that when i asked him, that he seemed to agree with former president trump on, and one of them would be tied with trade and china and that's something we constantly hear from ryan on the trail because remember he is not running a typical congressional campaign. and emphasizing things like abortion or election denialism from 2020, but instead, he is

talking about the economy and jobs and workers and that's his big push and jd vance is spending a lot of times painting him as someone who doesn't line up with his voting record. and the other thing that ryan wants to take away from the rally, he wants to see if vance is someone who will do whatever former president trump wants, that ties into something ha was said at the last rally, where these two appeared together, there was an expletive thrown around, it has become somewhat infamous, i know we talked about this in other reports and something that ryan tries to tie vance to. and both want to see the other as tied completely with party leaders and that's what we're looking at heading into election day tomorrow. and now we will send it over to antonia hilton who is in raleigh, north carolina. >> here in north carolina, both candidates are chris-crossing the state right now. trying to get as many people to the polls as possible. there is no early voting today.

that wrapped up on saturday afternoon. but every candidate is making their case. this, as democrat sheri beasley is trailing just behind congressman ted budd in the polls. neither candidate is taking anything for granted right now. the race is closer frankly than many republicans want it to be and beasley is running a unique rice. even some republicans i talked to say their neighbors are just as enthusiastic and anxious about this election as they have been, which is reflected in some of our new nbc news polling. take a look at a conversation i had with budd about this just this morning. >> talking about the polls, democrats and republicans, what you are focused on now? >> our message has been very consistent. if you're concerned about inflation, and you're concerned about crime, if you're concerned about education, then this is the party, this is the candidate to support. >> most people, when you ask

them, they view this as ted budd's race to lose. but if there's an upset here tomorrow, and a surprise, it's going to be because beasley has done something that most democrats don't do in the state of north carolina. usually, people just spend all their time in the urban centers trying to get as many democrats to vote there as possible, but she has been in rural counties, talking to people who were registered but didn't vote the last cycle who feel like both parties have ignored them. and she's trying to add them into her coalition. so the real question tomorrow is going to be, does any of that pay off, particularly in north carolina's rural communities. i will let my friend shaq brewster take to you wakesha. >> we see the supporters out here, joined on the trail by former ambassador nikki haley. we're in waukesha, an area where democrats want to boost the margins as republicans are focused on madison wisconsin,

and milwaukee wisconsin. and i will tell you among democratic voters in this state, particularly with the senate race, there is tension and anxiety and the democratic candidates are hoping the supporters turn the anxiety into action and specifically into votes tomorrow, on election day. i want you to listen to a little bit about my conversation with lieutenant governor mandela barnes, and that's johnson's opponent in this senate battle. listen to how he sways his positioning in this race as he heads into the election. >> going into election day as an underdog. >> i have gone into every election i've ever been in as the underdog. this is no different. we're not leaving anything on the table, and not taking anything for grant and showing up as much as possible now until the end. >> that is a question i asked to the democratic governor evers and polling shows the race tied and he doesn't feel he is the underdog but acknowledges here

in wisconsin where you consistently have the tight margins, back in 2018, he only won by about 30,000 votes, and they know it will come down to what he sees tomorrow, the turnout on both sides. i want to now send it to my colleague in salt lake city. >> thanks, we have seen some strong turnout here in utah, when it comes to early voting. more than a third of registered voters have already voted and every few seconds we're seeing folks coming up to the ballot drop box and putting ballots in the drop box and our camera crew, we have video, we saw election officials pulling out the bag and it was overflowing with the ballots and they were taking them off to the election headquarters. and it is interesting, for a couple of reasons, first, secretary mike lee actually voted for evan mcmullen and supported evan mcmullen in 2016. and therefore, the presidential race, that is interesting for itself, but also this is interesting because evan mcmullen is in a tight race, and

getting support from democrats and republicans and independents and pulling some of the votes from republicans including some from senator mike lee's supporters. so that's very interesting there. and we also heard some voters from around the country, they are saying a lot of the issues that matter to them are issues that matter to them here in salt lake city. here is what some folks had to say. >> women should have a right to choose what they want to do with their body. >> the inflation, and state of the economy and the upcoming high prices on gas, i think those are important. >> i'm not fed up with the politics, i'm fed up with the ads that fuels the politics. again, that's what it is all about. this is a democracy. >> and this has become utah's most expensive political race in history. millions of dollars from conservatives and liberal groups around the country are being thrown into this state.

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right now, in washington, the founder of the oath keepers getting grilled by federal prosecutors over his attempts to get former president trump to invoke the insurrection act,

stewart rhodes on the stand for the first time crossing cross-examination in the high profile seditious conspiracy trial. it is the biggest trial of at least as far as its profile and the spotlight of any related to january 6th so far. that is in part because of that very serious seditious conspiracy charge. ryan reilly our justice report ser at the courthouse with more. this is a key moment in this trial. it is a key trial and this is a key moment here. we've seen rhodes testify already and he is under cross-examination, and how, talk to us about how intense it is getting. >> yes, you know, i think it is sort of a death by a thousand cuts strategy as the government is going about it, sort of picking apart piece by piece, starting with the very beginning of the oath keepers and how it all at the very beginning, how it all came about and when he was on the stand, and being examined by his own lawyer, and suggested it is the bush administration and too much overreach and first up the government said, when was the

oath keepers founded and founded of course when barack obama was in office and it was largely in response to the first black president taking office, it was really what the oath keepers was really tied to initially. so they are pulling him apart piece by piece on the stand. and looking at how casually it was referred to, having the president of the united states, throw out the election results and hold a brand new election which is one of the things he wanted him to say, and of course, this is what i wanted him to do, and a supreme court decision, for example, that set aside the, all of the effort, legal efforts that donald trump's, that donald trump made, to try to overturn the 2020 election was unconstitutional in his view, and that's just sort of what, and he said this is unconstitutional and he expects people to accept that, is what stuart rhodes had taken the approach and basically right now trying to separate himself from the actions that the oath

keepers took on january 6th, from what he says they did, and he kept referring to them going off mission, that this wasn't part of the mission, but what prosecutors have come back on is referring back to his rhetoric, to his own messages that show that there was this effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power, even if there wasn't an explicit mission laid out before january 6th to actually storm the capitol building and actually physically stop the election from being certified. >> ryan reilly, live for us there. back home in washington, outside of court, thank you. still ahead here on the show, my conversations with the first-ever gen z candidates running for congress. we'll talk more about what they want to see and why they have decided to run in just a second. plus, it is not just the candidates voters will decide on tomorrow. michigan voters will decide on the future of abortion rights in their state. we're live on the ground with more on that ballot initiative that a lot of people are talking about, coming up. t, you did it, you did it... ♪ good news! a new clinical study showed that centrum silver

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we could see the first ever members of gen-z become members of congress, because this is the first year that any of them meet the minimum age requirement to serve. by our count, here at nbc news, only two gen-zers have made it to the general election so i hit the road to talk with both of them as we take a look at how this generation of candidates could shape the next generation of politics. >> 25 years ago, titanic debuted in theaters. >> you got mail. >> aol launched instant messenger. and the very first members of gen z were born in 1997. now, for the first time finally eligible to serve in congress, like maxwell frost, whose 25 the birthday was in january, the frontrunner to win his district in central florida and head to the house of representatives where the average age of his potential congressional colleagues is 58. did you ever come across somebody who said wait your turn, you don't have enough

experience? >> 100%. many people said that. >> reporter: frost took midnight shifts as an uber driver to help pay rent after leaving his job working for the march for our lives campaign. created after the 2018 school shooting in parkland, florida. the pulse night club, attack in 2016. >> like 1:00 a.m. to kind of grab myself. >> touch base. >> reporter: almost in his own backyard. >> gun violence has been my leading charge in my life ever since sandy hook, and it hitting home. it was a lot for everyone in our community, so -- >> i imagine this was part of that big impetus to decide to make this run to congress? >> it's a part of it. >> reporter: gun reform ranks as a top issue below climate change, threats to democracy, abortion access and the economy. a generation more liberal than any other with exceptions, of course. caroline levet is a former trump white house staffer running in new hampshire. >> i live amongst generation z.

they are my friends, my former colleagues and the truth is they are believing in liberal ideologies that have sent this country into the crises we're facing. >> reporter: she was attacked during her primary for her age. >> woke, immature and irresponsible. >> frankly i laughed at those attacks. >> reporter: if she wins next week she would be the youngest member of congress, youngest woman and youngest election denying in congress. >> will you accept the results of your own election? >>, of course, absolutely. >> even if you lose you would accept the results? >> i would accept the results because i think we have to move forward. >> reporter: younger people historically have not turned tout vote in big numbers. a third of gen zers saying they will cast a ballot. >> i don't know if we will see a red wave, a blue wave. what i do know we're going to see a gen z wave. >> if those numbers hold, it

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>> my stance on abortion is that i want women to have equal care and i want them to have safe care and i don't feel like the proposal would give that opportunity with the lingo that is written in that. >> reporter: now democratic governor gretchen whitmer made abortion and saying she's going to fight for women's rights a key part of her closing argument. her opponent just told me if she were to win proposal 3 were to pass, she would respect the will of the people and uphold that state constitution if abortion was enshrined. i want to read what voters will see on the ballot it will say regarding proposal 3 amendment to the state tuesday to provide every individual has the right to reproductive freedom including abortion and contraception and individuals should not be prosecuted if they have an abortion. i should tell you there's a lot of money being poured into this race. if we can put up a graphic to show this. if you look in september democrats spending about $10 million and republicans spending

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♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a closing argument from the democratic party just days before election day delivered by the current president, former president who remains one of the most popular political figures in the country in the world, and the democratic party's rising stars. in a state that is right now a bellwether in american politics. president barack obama, president joe biden, and the top of the democratic ticket in pennsylvania gathered on saturday for one heck of a rally. in it they distilled their party's message defining the democratic party as the party of freedom