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good morning, 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. and i'm alongside my dear friend and admired colleague chris jansing. and this is not the morning that we were expecting to have. there is no call on the house, no call on the senate and nobody called that. >> the democrats' performance actually defies history, it defies the president's approval rating and also the dgs satisfaction with the economy as well as the feeling that the country is heading in the wrong direct. >> right now democrats control 46 senate seats. republicans control 47. and there are four key senate races that have not yet been
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called. arizona at this hour, too early to call. nevada has the same, too early to call. >> wisconsin too close to call. and georgia is also too close to call. and whether there will be a runoff. >> i may be a little tired for now, but whether it is later tonight or tomorrow arrest four weeks from now, we will hear from the people of georgia. >> i'm telling you right now, i'm like a raked body. i don't come to lose. >> our positive energy got us to where we are today. and we are going to make sure that positive energy continues to flow that week. we are going to get this done. >> we are exactly where we want to be in this race. >> in ohio, nbc news projects republican j.d. vance defeated
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congressman tim ryan to hold the republican seat. and in pennsylvania, nbc news projects democratic john fetterman beat mehmet oz to flip a republican seat. and also moments ago, oz's campaign manager telling nbc news he called fetterman to concede. >> i'm just so proud of the race that we ran. and you know, this campaign has always been about fighting for everyone who has ever been knocked down, that ever got back up. >> on the other side of the capital, we still don't know who will control the house. republicans have picked up at least eight seats but dozens of races are still unscheduled. definitely not the night republicans had been ppredictin. here is how lindsey graham summed it up. >> definitely not a republican wave, that is for darn sure. >> in wisconsin the republican senator considered to be democrats' best hope to flip ron johnson is still holding on to a
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slight lead over mandela barnes, a high intensity race between the conservative 67-year-old, johnson, and the liberal 35-year-old barnes. shaquille brewster is live in milwaukee. what are you hearing from the campaigns this morning? >> reporter: i just got off the phone with the johnson campaign and they are feeling very good about their positioning right now. they understand that there is still a little bit of ways to go, but they are pointing to a call from another network in their favor. again, nbc news has not projected this race, but that gives you a sense of the confidence that the johnson campaign has coming into the day after the election day. meanwhile the barnes campaign say there are still votes outstanding and they want every vote to be counted before they take any final step. i did talk to the county clerk for dane county where democrats got the biggest share of their vote, and they say in that one county at least 100% of the vote
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has come in. so we're in somewhat of a holding pattern right now. we did expect to hear johnson later today. but as of now, we're still waiting for both campaigns to give us more updates. >> and we'll watch for those. call us if something happens. and we just got a call in the kansas governor's race, laura kelly the democrat takes the governorship in kansas over derek schmidt. and in arizona, everything is still up for grabs with both the governor and senate races too early to call. let's bring in allie raffa live in phoenix. even though the governor's race has not been called, kari lake is already expressing doubt over the race without any evidence. what more do we know at this hour and when could we see results in that race and in the senate race? >> reporter: yeah, we know kari lake is one of dozens of election deniers on ballots across the country. and not only last night at her
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election watch party did she suggest that she would prematurely claim victory in her gubernatorial race, she also called election officials incompetent. this is as maricopa county specifically is once again under a microscope after roughly 30% of the polling locations had tabulator machines that were rejecting ballots yesterday, election officials giving voters other options to cast their ballots. but republicans including kari lake really seized on this spreading misinformation online that county officials were trying to debunk in real time because they know how high the stakes are. i checked the most recent vote tallies before our conversation, and right now you have areally 65% of the vote has been tallied. kari lake and her democratic opponent katie hobbs are now in an evenly divided 50/50 split. the senate race's margins are a
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little wider. democratic incumbent mark kelly with a five point lead over blake masters. but all of this to say that historically arizona does take a while, does take a few days to be able to project final results. election officials here telling us that they expect this to be the case too, they expect 95% to 98% of the vote tallies to be completed by friday. >> thank you for that. and let's bring in our panel to take a closer look at what is happening right now. carlos curbelo, symone sanders townsend, and also ashley parker, and john ralston of the nevada independent. and what a great panel. ashley, let me start big picture if i can. was that sigh of relief i heard from democrats who historically
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and for so many other reasons could have expected last night to have gone much worse? >> it absolutely was. even if democrats don't win the house, which it looks like they won't, and the senate is up in the air, on the whole big picture, last night was a huge win for democrats who early in the night when i was talking to democratic aides and strategists were saying look, we know it will be a tough night for us. we sort of just don't know how bad. and the answer was based on history, based on expectations, based on the current climate, not bad at all. democrats are incredibly relieved right now. but obviously very close eye on those outstanding senate seats. >> and carlos, let's talk about that. chris mentioned it, there are issues like inflation, the country going in the wrong direction, all the polls showing that the president has low approval ratings. and yet no red wave. >> it is extraordinary. when you look at what happened
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in 2010 under the obama administration, again in 014 and in 2018 with donald trump, usually when we have this type of scenario, the opposition party, the minority party, makes major gains. and clearly takes over control of the congress. here we don't really know what is going to happen. and that already is wonderful news for democrats. there was only one bright spot for republicans last night. it was the state of florida. other than that, it was pretty much a tie all over the country. >> why? >> well, ron desantis has really done a good job of cultivate egg the hispanic vote in the state of florida. his pandemic policies were rewarded in this election. a lot of people moved to florida who agreed with his pandemic policies. and that is really the only way that you can explain someone who went from barely winning in 2018 to winning by nearly 20% of the vote, a margin of 20% just last night. >> and one way to look at this
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is this was a quest, this election last night, a quest on trump's part for redemption. right? he believes that he was robbed of the 2020 election. and i think maybe on biden's part it was a quest for relevancy. they have a big loss last night and democrats and joe biden have a tough couple of years sledding ahead. where do you see this, how does this set or reset expectations for the next couple of years? >> look, i think what happened last night in my opinion tracks closely, and there is no democrat in america that will tell yeah, we thought we'd be neck and neck with one seat in the house. no, no, no. but it does track closely to the large trend with what was happening on the ground. you've got roe, the date of births decision, very animating factor. you have the record pieces of legislation passed by this congress at the helm of this president, the infrastructure bill, gun legislation. again trying to get things done.
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we've been talking about the economy. democrats across the country were talking about the economy on the campaign trail. they were not frankly doing everything they needed to do on crime, but it looked like crime was overhyped in these races. and so joe biden went out there on the campaign trail, he campaigned in places that made sense and where he went, democrats did well. so i think that there are a lot of people that are just ready to count the president out saying that, you know, he is in fact to your point the relevancy point is something that i was hearing from folks. joe biden is very relevant. he is the president of a party that got vaccines for americans, that passed record numbers of legislation. and now he is going to this cop 26 very emboldened, he is leaving this country emboldened and i think in a way better position than anyone could have imagined coming into this morning. >> so let's talk about a critical area. john, what is the latest on the grounds there in nevada? >> well, there are a lot of
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ballots still out there, jose. and that is the issue. the incumbent democratic senator is behind the former republican attorney general by about 23,000 votes. that is 23,000 out of about 800,000 plus that have been cast. and it is known that there are a lot of mail ballots out there especially in clark county which is where las vegas is. it may be as many as 100,000 mailed ballots and democrats have done very well in mail balloting. and there were also at least 20,000 or so out where reno is. and the democrats have done well up there. so they are very, very optimistic about that senate seat. don't forget in the race for the house, there were three house seats here held by democrats that the republicans thought that they could flip. it looks like all three are going to remain in democratic hands. >> and what about the timing,
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how long is this going to take? >> well, i think we'll all be a little bit older, jose. maybe a lot older by the time this ends. here is what the state law says. state law says they have to count any mail ballots that come in that have been postmarked on election day or before by saturday at 5:00 p.m.. so they will start counting those missing ballots that have not been counted yet today. we may not have any tallies today. i hope we do. we'll know a lot more at least by tomorrow. and then as you know, friday is a holiday. and then saturday is when we'll probably get final results. but we may know earlier than that whether masto can make up that deficit. >> so ashley, put your dean analytical hat on. we always talk about that midterms tend to be a referendum on the party in charge a. was that the case this time? >> certainly not the way that
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democrats worried and republicans hoped. and i think one other thing we have heard that this result did was you were hearing -- you were certainly hearing quietly and even breaking into public this idea that president biden needs to step aside in 2024 to make way for a new generation of democratic leadership. and these results which no matter how they end up, no matter how you cut them, no matter what the expectations game was, were objectively good for democrats. puts to rest all of those calls. there was quiet rumblings again that if it was sort of a shellacking as democrats expected, you would see more and more democrats coming out and making the case that new leadership was required. and that is no longer the case. so president biden has made clear he plans to run in 2024. and it will be a decision that he will purely make with his family, without a clamoring of people in his own party saying it is time for change.
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>> and meanwhile you were talking about florida, desantis shattered all expectations in many things. he got nearly 70 respect about of the cuban-american vote, 5% of the puerto rican vote, 50% plus of all the other latinos living and voting in the state of florida. is florida a now all red state or is it a desantis state? >> well, i think you see the trend in florida. of course the perennial purple state. i think those days are over. florida is moving clearly into the republican column because of the work of ron desantis. not just in terms of governing, but the on-the-ground work. they have more registered republicans than democrats for the first time in a long time, maybe ever. and i think the other big explanation is the hispanic population. puerto ricans, central
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americans, colombians also supporting the republican party. so this has major consequences for 2024. florida was always a state that both parties were thinking about how much they would invest in. we may not see a major investment by republicans or democrats in florida in 2024. >> and i just think it is very problematic that that is the case for the democratic party. that is a lot of electoral college votes to take off the table. and the only way to get back in the game in florida is to invest. >> but can you do that by 2024. >> no. >> there you go. okay. thank you, john and ashley. carlos and simone will stay with us for the hour. and steve kornacki will be back at the big board to break down the biggest outstanding races. but first, the lessons learned after democrats flip the senate seat in pennsylvania. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is.
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now to a marquee win for democrats in pennsylvania. we just learned that campaign manager for mehmet oz told nbc news that he called john fetterman just minutes ago to concede in their key senate race. fetterman won over voters in areas that had provided huge margins to republicans in previous years. >> never expected that we were going to turn these red counties blue. but we did what we needed to do and we had that conversation across every one of those
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counties. and tonight, that is why i'll be the next u.s. senator from pennsylvania. >> also democrats scoring a second big win in the state with josh shapiro defeating doug mastriano for governor. joining us now, peter alexander. good morning. what are the key takeaways from voters? >> reporter: well, let's be very clear. both parties had the crucial sentencing, but a big pickup for democrats with john fetterman taking this seat. and we thought it could be several days before we had the results here. some of the difference marks look at scranton, that is where joe biden's hometown is. and john fetterman actually outperformed joe biden in biden's own hometown.
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unconventional style having the working class appeal. this was a big win. dr. oz had been casting himself as a moderate, but i think there will be a lot of skrult any scrutiny to host a rally with donald trump. and john fetterman heath had been a question, but 50% of pennsylvanians said that he was in good enough health to serve as their senator. 47% saying that he was not. and then look at the issues, the drivers in the state, inflation, well, that wasn't number one. in fact it was abortion that was the top issue at 36%. and inflation at number two. crime, gun policy and immigration way behind. back to you guys. >> peter, thank you so much.
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pennsylvania does hold 19 electoral college votes and this could be now the most valuable battleground state heading into 2024. carlos and simone back with us. and carlos, let's talk about pennsylvania. what do these losses and wins mean for each party in that state? >> for democrats, i think that blue wall that has been discussed for so many years, right, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, those states in the midwest become even more important because florida stops being an option. basically you have two big blue states now in california and new york and two big red states in florida and texas. so this is a big change. this is different from what we've become accustomed to. ohio is also a state where i think that democrats are starting to give up on. so the man is starting to become more clear for 2024. and i think what remains unclear for '2024 is who is going to be
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the for each party. >> and in a way that leads me to this because there was so much attention on fetterman/order in the way that the governor's race got short shifted. but then all of a sudden this morning there is this buzz, could josh shapiro be a candidate for president. he did say this last night, tonight we showed how to build a coalition to win a race in a big way. what are the lessons either from that race or others that you saw about building maybe different kind of coalition for democrats? >> i do think that the work that josh shapiro did in pennsylvania also helped pull john fetterman over the line. let's not forget the governor's race was called quite early. and it was a senate race that was a bit of a nail birt. similar to what we're seeing in wisconsin. clear that tony ebrons has one but unclear in the senate race. and shapiro helped move fetterman. i'll keep talking about
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investment all week because investment matters. this cycle the dnc gave the pennsylvania democratic party more than $2.1 million. last midterm cycle, they got barely $600,000. what they did with the money mattered. the ground game matters. investing early in african-american and latino communities. because there is a large puerto rican population in pennsylvania. you have to go out there and talk to people. and that is what has happened across the country and why i believe democrats did well. they ran races for the districts and states that they were in. >> and poll showed that 44% of latino voters never got any information or reach from any political party. and so stay with us, because still ahead, steve kornacki who i understand just found out that sleep is for others. not him. he'll be back with us and we'll go over a bunch of numbers. plus we'll go to georgia where a
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it is the morning after an
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election, and in some key races it has left more questions than answers. we also don't know who will control the house. but one thing we do know, outside the florida the anticipated red wave did not materialize. >> and we're also following governor's races where there is a little more than certainty, still several races including close contests in nevada and arizona are still on call. moments ago nbc news projected that laura kelly won her bid for a second term. >> steve kornacki is at the big board for a closer look at what is going on. steve, what a wild night. how is it looking this morning. >> what a wild night continuing into the morning and probably through the day because we got a lot of unsettled business here. so let's look first at that battle for the senate. and so the one big change that has taken place is the democrats won pennsylvania, that is a
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pickup for them because pat toomey has held it, he retired. democrats pick it up. so that means if republicans emerge with the senate majority now have to gain two seats from what is left on the board. and what is left first you've got a republican held seat, republicans are defending in wisconsin. ron johnson is leading there and i think republicans are feeling good about his chances of hanging on. would be catastrophic if he were to lose it at that point. but let's say for the sake of argument ron johnson hangs on there, that would leave three on the map and republicans would need to win two of these to get control of the senate. first thing you see are a warnock is the incumbent, almost all the vote is in and you see that neither have crossed the 50% threshold. and that means that there is a
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very distinct possibility of a runoff. in fact the secretary of state office has already said they believe this race is going to a runoff. so if that is the case, then you move to arizona and into nevada, the runoff would be on november 6. and you move to arizona and nevada and for republicans to have a chance to get control of the senate, they would then need to win at least one of these two. arizona or nevada. and then take their shot in the runoff. so take a look in arizona what it looks like right now, mark kelly with an advantage of about 90 authorizes votes over blake masters. just two-thirds of the vote reported here. this is notably i think compare the senate result right now to the governor's result in arizona. kari lake the republican also trailing here. but she is much closer, she is down about 11,000 votes. masters is down nearly 90,000 votes. path for masters is a steeper one here in arizona. we'll get an update at 10:00
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p.m. eastern tonight from maricopa county, it will give us i think a sense of what sort of the remaining vote looks like. is it republican, is it democratic, how republican is it. is it realistic that masters would have a chance to catch kelly in this race. i think that we'll find that out tonight. but obviously especially when you look at that governor's race, that is a tough spot for masters to be in but we don't know the exact number, but in clark county, it is tens of thousands of mailed ballots, drop box ballots yet to be counted about so still a lot of ballots to be counted here. there could certainly be enough ballots left for masto.
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and so the bottom line is if georgia is going to a runoff, if wisconsin is staying republican, and then republicans have to win either that blake masters race in arizona or that adam laxalt/masto in nevada. if they lose both of those states, that is game set match, democrats would hold the senate for matter what happens in georgia. if republicans can get arizona or a nevada, then december 6 georgia runoff would be poised to decide control of the u.s. senate. >> and speaking of georgia, the senate race there remains too close to call. according to the atlanta journal constitution, ad spending hovered around $250 million. putting it in contention with pennsylvania to be the most expensive contest in the nation this cycle. but even after all that spending, we might be heading for a runoff as steve was saying next month. joining us now from atlanta is
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gabe guttierez. >> reporter: good morning. and steve laid it out nicely. yes, we're looking at the races out west to see if a runoff here in georgia next month for the balance of power. there is no official winner here just yet, but the georgia secretary of state does say that he believes that we're heading toward a runoff next month. now, senator warnock has been saying his opponent herschel walker underperformed in many different parts of his state, both campaigns gearing up for a runoff. and we've been speaking with voters who thrilled that they will be subjected to another weeks of campaigning. this race as you mentioned more than a quarter billion dollars already flowing to this race.
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and the potential for much more money to come here if it comes down to the runoff next month. and we should mention the gubernatorial race here in georgia, kemp getting abrams for the second time. and there could be split ticket voters there. vote tally signals that there may have been some republicans that voted for brian kemp but instead chose to vote for the democrat senator warnock. and we have been speaking with voters here on the ground, some who told me that they did end up voting for herschel walker, but they did so reluctantly. so should be interesting to see how it all played out. but again, all signs pointing to a possible runoff here in georgia as the final votes are tabulated. still no clear winner here. >> i hope you packed enough for december. thank you so much for that. up next, could florida get anymore red? what sparked last night's republican sweep.
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38 past the hour. latino voters were pivotal in last night's election and this morning we're getting a clearer sense of the directions they leaned in this battleground areas. miami-dade is florida's largest county with the largest share of latinos at about 70%. it is projected to go red voting to support ron desantis by 11 percentage points. first time miami-dade has voted for a republican governor since jeb bush in 2002. and there are other counties. >> 23u look around the border in texas which are majority has panic, they supported the democratic challenger beto o'rourke and the rest of the state went for greg abbott. mcallen expected to go to the
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republican there. >> and ali vitali is with us now. and carlos and simone still here with us. and so ali, what are we seeing unfolding that is, well, it seems as though there is no appear of latino votes. >> reporter: and that has always been true. we talk about this a lot. certainly it shouldn't be surprising. but florida is giving us yet another reminder of why it is important to dig even deeper into the data. and when you look at this state, it is more solidly red than it has ever been in the past. certainly everyone on the set with you can speak to the reason why it is a lack of democratic investment, an trophy of the state party. but especially in places like miami-dade county, doing a better job of speaking to hispanic voters. now, if you look at the breakdown for someone like
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governor ron desantis, he won among cuban voters roughly the same percentages that he did in 2018. but where he was able to make inroads, and i remember this was an active conversation when i was covering his first gubernatorial race when democrats were much more competitive, the big question at that point, where will puerto rican voters go, who will they break for in the state of florida. and the story line we're beginning to see here four years later is that it seems that republicans have done a better job of speaking to puerto rican voters especially those who moved to the state after the hurricane in 2018. that was an open question and one we're getting a better answer to here today. >> and i want to go back to the latino vote because it is so critical, but i understand that you have breaking news. one of the races in the house we were looking at with sean patrick maloney, because he was in charge of getting democrats elected, tight race. what do we know? >> reporter: tight race.
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ironically this is the race in my home district, the area that i grew up, i spent the week before election day there talking with sean patrick maloney. also talking with his opponent mike lawler. lawler there is someone who knows the state well, he has been an operative in new york state well before he got into elected politics. he said that he felt confident that he was going to be the first person in 40 plus years to knock off the man who is the head of the dccc. and it seems that he may have just done it because sean patrick maloney called him to concede. and this is the culmination really of new york state maps shifting so aggressively. and then of course the fact that maloney himself was in an intra-party battle as to who would actually be the person in the primary to be the one to run in this district. so there is a lot of we'll say monday morning quarterbacking, although it is a wednesday here, within democratic ranks as to what happened with sean patrick maloney in this suburban new york district. but certainly this was one of the key races that we were
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watching and we're seeing now maybe no red wave, certainly not, but definitely a big loss for democrats. >> without a doubt. thank you for that update. and simone, let me go to you because this was a race that for democrats obviously the symbolism of it, right, of the guy who is in charge not winning. but she touched on something we haven't talked about yet. which is gerrymandering. and the impact it has had. and a complicating factor, isn't it, when you are really looking at what are the takeaways from this unexpected better night than expected for democrats. >> i think so. look, in ohio folks were running on maps that were not -- running on maps that were challenged. in florida, folks were running on maps that governor desantis drew himself. and in new york, folks were running on maps that democrats drew that looked crazy. the democratic strategists and people on the ground in new
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york, it is a problem what happened with these maps. and sean patrick maloney let me tell you, he ended up in a district that jones was representing and maloney decided to run in that district, forced jones out and he went down the road to run in a different district. and he lost. i said it before and i'll say it again, maloney should have led by example and stayed out of that race. >> and is it possible that on both sides maybe depending too much on computer models and the micro targeting of voters as opposed to injecting this it some knowledge of really what is happening on the ground? >> i think both things can be true, right, but i think for an example in the sean patrick maloney race we're talking about, jones knew that district. that was in that district. maloney got drawn into it. jones in his current district
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represents some of those people. so something to be said for running for your district, knowing the voters in your district and speaking directly to them. >> and the other factor with some of these members who are in leadership is that sometimes they appear to be detached. and their voters end up resenting that they seem too invested in the inside game of d.c. as opposed to being in their district. this happened to eric cantor who lost a primary as the house majority leader. it happened to tom foley in the early '90s, the democratic speaker. so it does happen sometimes. it is just one seat, but very symbolic. >> and ali has more that we should go to. >> reporter: and we'll hear too from sean patrick maloney in about half an hour. i know lawler will speak later in the day. but the dccc is also doing a call i don't even know what time it is anymore, but around noon, they will do a call with speaker pelosi, with maloney on it, and they will kind of brief house democrats on what has happened here in the last 24 hours. i think though that chris makes
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a really good point with you can't just throw something in the computer and expect the model to spit out what is actually going to happen in reality. certainly tonight is a really good example of that. and i've been talking to pollsters and strategists who have over the course of the last five years been wondering how do we poll correctly because these electorates are shifting so much. but i think in this one the thing i keep coming back to as someone who has covered reproductive rights and access for so long, when you are in a period that is post roe that has been theoretical and not tested for so long, you can't model against something that you haven't seen for 49 years. and i think that is one of the things that we're seeing here. not the only trend, but one of the key reasons. >> it seems like many times they are surprised, politicians are surprised at redistricting when it is in the books. every ten years this thing happens. and so the fact is that they are using whatever models or computer models or actually feeling that they can go into a district that maybe they haven't represented like the person who has been representing it there
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for years. but you know what, power is important. and so move aside for me, but that is not what the voters want. >> definitely not what they seem to be saying. and i think the point ali made is really important, we heard for weeks at post-kansas how democrats overcalculate order roe, abortion is not a kitchen table issue. and if you are a woman -- a person with a daughter, a man in this country, it is a kitchen table issue for you. abortion is an economic issue. and we're seeing that borne out in the data. >> all right. you're staying with us. thank you for that breaking news. and again, as she said, we'll see maloney and nancy pelosi having a phone call coming up at noon. so we'll watch for that and getting reporting out of that. but up next, the red wave that wasn't. the house races we're still watching, next. still watching, next
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too close to call. in a race that both parties viewed as an important early bellwether, abigail spanberger was narrowly re-elected to her seat and her colleague lost a close race. and one high-profile rate has yet to be called. >> in colorado, lauren biobert is in a tough re-election fight. currently, she's trailing her democratic opponent by about one percentage point. the red wave that he promised is yet to materialize nationwide. house minority leader kevin mccarthy projected confidence last night. >> let me tell you, you're out late, when you wake up tomorrow, we will be in the majority and nancy pelosi will be in the minority. [ cheers and applause ] >> well, no. it hasn't happened that way as of right now.
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back with us now, symone sanders town send. >> i'm curious. obviously, the focus is on the races that haven't been called yet. what's happening behind the scenes? what are the party people doing a deep dive on? what are they looking to glean out of these results. i look at abigail spanberger and i think is that a way to run as a moderate? what are they looking for right now to give them some insights. >> i think folks are looking at what the turnout was, what were the numbers for women, what were the numbers for young people. young people seem to be a deciding factor in a number of these races across the country that broke for democrats, very important. let's dig in there. what did we do there? we've been talking about latino voters. abigail spanberger was up against a very well-funded,
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competitive opponent and she went out. does that bore out for the rest of the country? what is really happening there? i think lots of conversations, things we won't know right now today. >> does it seem as though we've entered in a time in our country's history where all of the expectations, polls, experts and analysis ends up being wrong? >> yeah. >> it's already -- is the pattern this now? >> it seems like it, jose. the end of the day, we have all of these polling, everyone talked about it, immigration, crime, abortion, and all the i factored. but i think what people didn't expect was what these ticket-splitters did all over the country. punishing republicans who lied about the election and who embraced donald trump's lie about 2020. i think steve kornacki keeps digging into these numbers,
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that's going to become a very interesting point to analyze because that's something that i don't think people saw coming. by the way, you ask chris what are people saying inside the parties? republicans are pondering about what to do about donald trump and whether to follow donald trump. >> does the line start today? you come down on the side of donald trump or on the side of not donald trump? >> this is what republicans are saying quietly as most things they say about donald trump are said quietly. the question is, if in the coming days some will start publicly questioning the party, i think it's going to happen. certainly people like mitch mcconnell have done it for quite for some time now. and mitch mcconnell was proven right. he talked about candidate quality six weeks ago. a couple weeks ago, everyone thought he was crazy and republicans were going to end up
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with 54 seats. candidate quality, meaning the candidates that donald trump supported were a big problem for republicans last night. >> extremism is not popular. the kind of conversation we've been having about abortion in this country, potentially jailing doctors, jailing women, fining folks, dr. oz, mehmet oz talking about politicians should be able to make the decisions with women and their doctors, that's extremism that nobody likes. and those are the numbers that we are seeing bore out. >> do you think what happens next tuesday when donald trump apparently announces for the presidency, will that in a way kind of decide for president biden what his future is? >> look, i think that president biden has been very clear that he intends to run for president. i think obviously this showing today -- or last night, again, we don't know. republicans could at this point still win the house. but we don't know.
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but i think that president biden is emboldened, as he should be. >> if republicans do win, it's a very different house than frankly kevin mccarthy is going to be leading. >> and what to look for on the republican side, the cold war between ron desantis and donald trump will become a hot war and also if this comes down to georgia, does herschel walker welcome donald trump to campaign with him or not? doesn't seem like it would make a lot of sense. >> leaves us with a provocative thought. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. that's going to do it for us this hour. stay with us for live election results and up to the minute reports. we're back right after a short break. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan, i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now, i'm managing my diabetes better, and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes
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