those are electronic. those are not mail ballots. those are electronic and recorded on the inperson voting machines. >> we're going to publish a release of updated results every day that we count. so we'll have the press conference, we still haven't determined exactly whether it will be the same time every day, but we will have that press conference every day, and every time we count, we'll put a new update out on the website for everybody to see. the current status, which i'm sure everybody is most interested on, so the mail will be tabulated today. it represents the drop-off boxes for monday that we sorted and put through the system yesterday, and the tuesday united states postal service pickup. so we have 14,718 mail ballots

that weren't read last night, that will go in today. those will be reported in the evening when we run our new results report, when we release our new results report on the website. the usps pickup for today was over 12,700 ballots. so those are beginning the process of going through the mail, through all of the processes they need through the county board and then sent over for the count. that's what we've received. we still don't have the estimate on the drop boxes from yesterday but i can tell you there is a considerable amount of drop boxes that we received that had a considerable amount of ballots but i can't give you that count. as soon as we have, that i will make it available this afternoon. let's go to thursday, through next wednesday, just briefly. and then it will be time for you all to ask any questions you may have. so for tomorrow, we'll be working on processing postal service ballots, as well as the

cure. for friday, again, it's the postal service and the cure that we'll be working on processing. for saturday, that's the last day for us to receive the mail ballots, so that will be the last day that we're working on processing those to get them to count. and the cure. some things to be determined. so we don't know yet if we'll have in the process on sunday, everything starts to slow down on theballs that are coming in from the postal service that are postmarked november 8th, so we don't know yet what we will be doing on sunday. monday is the last day to cure. and so those ballots will be going in. tuesday needs to be determined. statutorial, that is the last day i can read mail ballots in. so whatever is outstanding, we have to have them in by that day. wednesday, that will be our provisional day. by that time, we should have receive a report from the secretary of state, and we'll be prepared to load those into the system. thursday, we'll be completing our canvas work that leads into

the canvass on friday, which again is a thing, the board of county commission chambers, thursday, at 1:30 p.m. so with that, i will open it up for questions. >> and every election day vote has been counted already? every election day in person vote? >> the election day in person is in the system, minus provisionals. >> every one cast in a voting center has been counted. >> minus provisionals. >> the provisional ballots that we have in the system are 5,555. >> with most of the voting that took place in this county, you're talking about the mail-in ballots. >> that will be the highest turnout. >> there will be more mail from either the inperson or election day. >> and it is conceivable that you will have thousands of mail-in ballots coming into the

postal service today, tomorrow, friday. >> well, i reported to you what we received today. 12,700. so yes. >> there could be 48,000 more -- >> i can't give you estimates on what that will be but we have to process through saturday. >> are you anticipating ballots -- >> i don't give any, there is no way for me to tell. so why would i say that. >> final results before next thursday, is there any chance you will report out the total county results before 10 days out from the election? which is november 18th. >> repeat your. >> he is there any way we will know the final results before november 18th? >> you have the final and the official at some point, probably thursday before the canvass, but it is not official until we -- >> so we won't have final results unofficial until then? >> that would be the latest that we can have that out there. >> what is the goal to have everything counted, for unofficial results?

you mentioned the 18th. what's the goal through that. >> we don't know what we will receive through the mail, so we know what our statutory deadlines are as far as when we have to have them in, so we know by tuesday, statutorily, we'll have to have everything read through the mail. so i don't have any idea really. >> have you increased the amount of people to help process all of the mail-in ballots. >> what we did is ensured we're fully staffed in all of the areas. >> what is fully staffed. >> fully staffed. every piece of equipment that we have to process mail will be in use and we'll have the staff to staff all of that equipment. >> how many people? >> thank you very much for staying us. i'm andrea mitchell with katy tur on the fourth hour of midterm coverage here in new york and right now, the senate score card is tight, we focus on arizona and nevada and we've been hearing from the state registrar of voters, and what he has just said that up until next thursday, they will still be counting provisional and mail-in

ballots, and receivingballs, thousands and thousands of ballots from clark county. and so there was, really may not be an unofficial result on nevada until possibly next thursday at the earliest. joining us now jen psaki, former biden white house secretary and now an msnbc host, and claire miscass kill from missouri and msnbc political analyst and michael steele is still us with, the former republican national chairman and lieutenant governor of maryland. well, jen, let's talk about what this means. nevada could be everything, until of course, i mean it could decide, once we hear from arizona, and nevada, and then we will know whether or not georgia's runoff is even important, at least in terms of control of the senate. >> yes, there's a lot coming up in the coming day and how much we will be talking about georgia in thanksgiving dinner, i can tell you, i think what is interesting to watch is a lot of

things. for one this is the first year that nevada has in universal mail-in ballot program, which is great, it is great for voters, it is great for participation, but what we're seeing here is they don't really know how to predict, there is nothing to compare it to, in terms of what the resources they need, how long it will take to count, and clark county always takes long. if anybody remembers back to 2020, we were kind of waiting anxiously to hear, and biden's lead there rose over the course, after election day, so it sounds like thousands could come in, who knows but we'll know more in the coming days. >> and it has been said, katy, that the mail-in ballots were a key part of the culinary union. >> and that is what is going to make or break the election he said, for either, cortez masto or adam laxalt. and for some numbers, provisional ballots 5,555, they have to be counted by next tuesday at the earliest, by wednesday at the latest, and 14,718 mail-in ballots are going

to be going into the system today. those will be tabulated tonight. there should be an updated number he said tonight. 12,700 mail-in ballots were picked up today. and they have until saturday to keep receiving mail-in ballots, so long as they're postmarked on the election day. saturday is the cutoff. he was asked how many ballots is going to get, and there is just no reference for him, he said i'm not even sure. i'm not going to make a prediction. i have no idea if if is going to be in the thousands, which is what he was asked, you know, i guess whether it is two, who knows. and in terms of drop box ballots, he said he doesn't have a number on that, but he called it quote considerable. there is a considerable number of drop box ballots. there is a lot still left. and as the reporters have said, and steve kornacki has said, there is a lot that could happen in nevada and a lot of room for that number to change. adax laxalt is leading right

now. but who knows. >> who knows. i think right now, the best thing all of us can do is honor the process. let them do their thing. as you noted, jen, this is the first time they had an opportunity to kind of go through this system. and see how it works. and what doesn't work. and i love the transparency. you know, they're trying to come out and say hey, this is where we, are this is the timetable, and i think, you know, as much as a lot of folks, particularly in the political world, wants this thing to get resolveed so we know what's going on, i don't want anything to be put out there that may create an opportunity for the kari lakes and others in the world, whether they're in nevada or not, to make a noise. >> nevada. >> nevada. >> nevada. >> nevada. >> speaking of that. senator mccaskill from either missouri or -- >> missouri, as my dad called it. >> exactly.

>> as he travelled there often. >> let's talk about all of the room for mischief making because we saw in arizona last time and in nevada, the wronger it takes to process -- the longer it takes to process and count, the more the people like the guy in mar-a-lago and k ari lake before the election, that just proves there are always evil-doers and then you have the ridiculous servers of arizona of all of those new counts, and you know, the audits, and whatever, what's going on there. so this is a president who is surprising we got the pennsylvania results last night. none of us expected that. >> it is going to be interesting, because the election deniers have a problem here, because in nevada, the republican is ahead. so therefore, the late count ballots are going to be, oh, they're no good, this is all rigged. but in arizona, the candidate is

behind, so the late counting ballots there are going to be peachy swell, this is keen, isn't this great, this is working wonderfully, at least from kari lake's perspective based on the analysis of folks who are looking at this very, very closely. so i don't want how they will get their stories back, is it late counting okay in arizona but not okay in nevada? and i do think, it's interesting that we didn't have a drop box number, because everyone who is looking at this and has really crunched the numbers, by my math, we've got at least 30,000 votes that we know are in that haven't been counted. catherine cortez masto needs that number to be at least 70,000. so that drop box and the mail that comes in the next few days, that now is the big number for everyone who is in the boiler room for the dscc, and counting, and they have all of their

projections and they know what is supposed to be there and based on what they told me this morning, they feel pretty good if there is 100,000 more ballots, if there's 70,000 more ballots, they feel maybe, well, if it's under 70, it is a hand wringer. >> how is the democratic operation in nevada without harry reed? >> look, i think they still have rebecca lamb who is the harry reed machine driver, and they still have that machine that they're turning out across the state. but there are some challenges, and we'll see this play out in 2024, because it is likely nevada will continue to be an early state. and that includes the fact that nevada is a place where people move in and out of it. it is a very transient state. so when you're looking for addresses, or reliable voters, it is a little bit harder there. the culinary workers are a force of nature. they will continue to be. they certainly are in this race. and there's a lot of reliance on them.

so everyone i talk to in nevada says rebecca lam, reed machine still in place. without harry reed, they're at a loss, but the democrats will very much need it moving forward in 2024. >> and of course nevada has been hit a lot harder by the economy, by inflation, by recovering from covid, and all of what happened to hospitality. and also real estate. >> yes, they've been double whacked by inflation. because they have been hit by costs, gas prices, cost of food, but also that impacts tourism, and that is an employer, especially in clark county, which is so pivotal to democrats, of so many people. so it is a test case in that sense and it is a state that i think democrats should be worried about moving forward, because it is certainly not as blue as it felt four or five years ago. >> quick question about joe biden. he is going to be coming out at 4:00. we will hear him. and he justifiably, taking pride

in minimizing the damage in the midterm with the party out of power, but the exit poll results look pretty negative, with two-thirds not wanting him to run for re-election, and larm, large numbers, against his policies, thinking his policies are hurting. how does he take all of that in? >> first i think the vast majority of democrats want him to run for election and i don't know if he is looking for advice from the other party on whether or not she run for re-election at this point, and i think if you look at the outcome here, i know what the exit poll says, democrats ran who won on his agenda, on his agenda and inflation reduction act and rebuilding infrastructure, and ran on the economy and having a machine and against extremism. that's what they ran on and won. and i expect him to embrace that and he is joe biden and he won't punch the other party in the face. he will say i bet, i want to work together with you on things that we can find common ground

and get things done. even as we have a very narrow lead one way or the other in congress. >> and the exit poll says 83% of democrats wanted joe biden to run. we have a lot more to discuss about the democratic party and i want to get it to, it but let's also turn to the double democratic victories in pennsylvania last night. joining us right now is dasha burns in pittsburgh. dasha, the democratic party, your sources, wherein both the fetterman campaign and the shapiro campaign have got to be feeling great today. >> reporter: very much so, katy. a lot of celebration. a feeling of real vindication and validation. especially for the fetterman campaign. that their strategy, that they set out from the beginning here, has worked. look, last night as the race was called, the room was chanting, every county, every vote. that has been the fetterman man tra. that has been their approach. fetterman has gone to those places that democrats haven't been in ages because they felt like it was lost to them. he tried to win over some of

those rural voters, union voters, the blue collar counties, that democrats lost, where voters felt abandoned by the party. and that is what he set out from the beginning. and that's why he was, you know, why he had this outsider brand, appealing to the voters, and that seemed to work and he on top of that did get the right turnout in the big cities shall and in the suburbs, those key groups for democrats came out for him as well. and look, we were not expecting to call this race as quickly as we did. but it was a pretty decisive victory here. and josh shapiro, the democratic candidate for governor here, huge, huge victory. not even close in that race. which we were expecting because of the polling. but it is a real refute of the democratic, of the republican candidate for governor, doug mastriano, who republicans we were running into, republicans saying, this guy is too extreme,

too far right, josh shapiro is a moderate, he can work across the aisle, he has the experience and we trust him. and there was thinking and hope for the democratic party that shapiro may be helping to pull fetterman over the finish line in the end. but look, this is no doubt a big victory for democrats shall the state where everybody was watching the state. everybody was talking about, even in other states and democrats got the win they needed here. >> dasha burns, thank you very much. andrea? >> i spent a lot of time covering this race, and with pennsylvania politics going back some decades, and i started my career there, and the fact that john fetterman did, first of all, so much better with white noncollege educated voters, better than biden, better than trump, so he ran ahead of both of them, but he also, you know, did fairly well in the cities

and in the counties, and i attribute that to the extremism at the top of the ticket in pennsylvania with mastriano, and dr. oz's comments on abortion, which part of that debate that perhaps did not get as much attention, it got attention from the professionals, but not from a lot of the media, because that really was as big of a deal coming out of that debate as fetterman's performance. >> i also think he ran everywhere in the state. which is a lesson for democrats. he left no stone unturned. and he ran as exactly who he is. i mean i have no doubt that if john fetterman were sitting here or in a bar or if he was with his family in a restaurant, we be exactly the same person. and voters completely see through that. so that is also a lesson for democrats, too. this is a guy who knows who he is, you know what you're getting and that ultimately matters in politics. >> fetterman, as a nominee at some point for president, i know there's some variables,

obviously, but i just, you know, what do you think about the super red deep parts of pennsylvania and the way he ran ahead of biden, ran ahead of trump, and it makes you wonder about his future. >> yes, i think probably more what i take away from some someone like fetterman, very much like i see with some of the other candidates, shapiro, westmore, certainly, is that what you were saying, that it is sort of the every day person. the one thing that i think the democrats, if they don't take any evaluation away from this cycle, they take away the idea that the american people, you put your finger on it, this is one off, and you can tell me straight up what the deal is, and that's why fetterman at the end i think worked for a lot of people, because they just, they felt this guy was, like they felt about george bush, right, this guy you can have a beer

with and he will sit there and tell me the real deal and i'm good with that. if they're not going to get caught up, they're not going to get caught up, and i know a lot of my professor friends and maybe some at the table here don't want to talk about wokeness but it is a thing and the party has to deal with the thing in the room with a lot of voters. >> first of all, and i will be curious whether they try to change the rules in the senate to allow hoodies on the senate floor. [ laughter ] >> i don't think that's happening. >> i don't think hoodies and shorts will make their way through the doorman. i don't think that's going to happen. >> i think we increased our bench last night in several places. i think wes moore in maryland is a rock store. and i know last night, we were all about desantis, desantis, and why are we not giving that kind of love and attention to gretchen whitmer, this is a

woman in a very tough state, where the republican legislature last night for the first time in 40 years, they flipped everything. they won both the house and the senate, and the state legislature, and they won all of the statewide and they came through with the really strong abortion -- >> that is it. >> the initiative. so i think gretchen whitmer needs to get more attention. she has done extraordinary things out there. >> i'm getting screamed out by your executive producer that we got to go to our reporter. >> and make the point that she stood up after being, you know, attempted kidnapping, and takeover of the state capitol. >> that is valid and a good point. let's get to our reporters, because i know jacob soboroff is in the room and about to get kicked out of that room so what happened with the clark county registrar? >> i heard during the press conference, your summary of what he said, and the moral of the story is, buckle up everybody, it could be until november 18th,

next, i don't have the calendar in front of me, next friday, until we have have the official results out of clark out in nevada and i want to stress, there is nothing wrong with, that that is how it is supposed to work here, and i heard what jen said about universal mail-in ballots here, so for the second time since the 2020 election they sent out mail-in ballots to all 1.3 million registered voters in this county and joe told me only 2,000 voters in the county opted out of the universal mail-in ballots and that didn't mean tens of thousand, maybe hundreds of thousands showed up in person for early voting or in person voting yesterday at the vote centers, a lot of them dropped off the mail-in ballots but the bottom line is there is still a lot of votes to count and i won't go through the entire list and why that is but the bottom line he is has a deliberate calendar for what they will do every single day and the number of uncounted votes will go down every single day and that includes curing ballots that have signatures and double checking signatures that don't

match, and also going back and looking at provisional ballots, people that maybe weren't registered and showed up and say i really want to vote and they give you a provisional vote which means they haven't found you in the system and then they run all of the information to make sure you're a legitimate voter and your vote can be counted. so it could be until november 18th here in nevada, guys. >> let's look at nevada for a second. and look for some other states also that are still open. vaughn hillyard is in phoenix, arizona. shaq brewster in milwaukee. and tri main lee in georgia at the elections processing center. so vaughn, arizona. any update when we will get new numbers? >> we're looking at about 7:00 local, 9:00 eastern tonight, is when we should get our latest batch of hopefully tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of ballots here. especially coming out of maricopa county. that ballot drop alone will not tell us the result of the election. if you look at where we are right now, just 12,000 votes

separates katie hobbs and kari lake and on the senate rate, blake masters, the republican is still very much in this. we saw 2020 donald trump clap a narrow margin and he lost by 10,500 votes so the republicans think blake masters is within striking distance and a half a million ballots still to go. the big drop we're watching for is tomorrow night around 9:00 p.m. eastern. thursday night. we will not know who wins the race until potentially at least tomorrow night. that batch of ballots is going to include some of those mail-in ballots that folks didn't know about, where they brought to their polling place, on tuesday, and this is significant. because we're talking about 275,000 of those outstanding ballots are those ballots here in maricopa county. and if a couple, tens of thousands of those, are able to give us an idea of where the trend line is, whether it is going through the likes of kari

lake and blake masters or going toward the democrats, then we can get an idea whether one party or the other is able to break away from the other, or whether we're looking at potentially this lasting into days, weeks, or even recount territory, which, get ready, would be in december, you guys. >> december. well, i guess we have to see what happened in georgia as well. shaq brewster in wisconsin, what's the reaction there? ron johnson has won his re-election bid. is there any second-guessing as to how mandela barnes ran his race and how the party helped him? >> well, there are certainly those questions there, andrea, especially because of the mixed results that you saw here in the state of wisconsin. on the governor's level, governor tony evers, winning re-election, in that race, that was the most expensive race wisconsin has ever seen. and then on the senate battle, you sea senator ron johnson able to secure that re-election, and just about an hour or so ago, we saw lieutenant governor mandela

barnes speaking to voters, a lot of long hugs and tears and giving a pep talk to supporters and this is a race democrats thought that they would have an opportunity to defeat ron johnson. ron johnson a polarizing figure in the state of wisconsin. and in a state that president biden won just two years ago. but despite that, you saw the flood of money against the lieutenant governor mandela barnes really have an effect. i want you to listen to a little bit of what we heard from the lieutenant governor as he was addressing supporters. >> when we stand together and we say that we deserve better, and that together we will fight for it and it will get better, and now unfortunately, we didn't get over the finish line this time. but i know that this movement has meant so much to all of us, and just because we didn't get across the finish line, that does not mean it's over. >> there was also some concern here in wisconsin that republicans in the legislature weren't going to be able to get the veto proof majority.

that looks like it did not happen after last night's results, guys. >> trymaine, atlanta, we heard from brad raffensperger about the success of the election there. the other day. yesterday. yesterday. but he was also saying that we're not going to get results from the senate campaign until next month, so i guess with jacob saying nevada is not going to be until at least next week, we got some time before we're going to find out who is going to be in charge of the senate. >> that's right, katy. we do have some time. i hate to beat, a sports reference and say we're in overtime, especially given one of the guys is a former athlete but we're in overtime. moments after it was announced that this race was officially in runoff territory, the emails started coming in from both the warnock campaign and the herschel walker campaign, for as little as $5 or $10 you might be able to save and resuscitate one of these campaigns into the finish line. bus theet camps are feeling pretty good. i spoke to one democratic

organizer who said we would love this runoff, because it really lays plain what is at stake here. and let's not forget it was a runoff that installed raphael warnock in the first place. and they say that herschel walker may have overperformed given how well, you know, governor brian kemp is doing. but these camps are excited. but that is short turn-around. that overtime period, less than a month. december 6th. to organize, to raise money and make the case, that one of these guys should be the next, you know, senator out of georgia. so they're excited. but it is game time. here it is. >> game time, it is going to go into double overtime, i think. or well beyond that. thank you so much. and joining us now, back here is political reporter senior editor dave wasserman. so we're seeing that nevada and arizona might take at least a week in nevada, and a little more than a week in nevada, maybe longer than that in arizona. and of course, you know, that december 6th, in georgia. what does that do, you know, to

the political parties, as they look into voter confidence, and does it create a sense for a lot of misinformation and bad behavior? >> i think we know the answer to that second question, and yet we fully expected that it would take a while for these races to shake out. and that we might not know who controlled the senate on election night. the big surprise of course was that we still don't know for sure who is going to control the house. although republicans are the favorites. and last night, it was the wildest election night that i've ever observed. >> well, ever observed. hold on. go on. elaborate. >> well, look, it was a very uneven landscape. i've never seen anything like this. if you had told me at the outset that val demings would lose florida by 17 points, i would have said that republicans were picking up 40 house seats, and yet democrats have specific problems in florida, new york, we'll see about california, and

oregon, and some of these states that we still have a lot of outstanding races to call, but it was year that democrats paid penalties in really blue states where they controlled both state and federal government. voters held them doubly responsible for everything they were dissatisfied with. that was of course most of the case in new york. but democrats did very well, in states with split control of state government, where there have been ferocious battles between republicans who want to ban abortion, and so democrats really swept the competitive terrain in michigan, and in ohio, and in new hampshire, and pennsylvania, and even though tim ryan lost the senate race in ohio, he helped democrats win three key house races that are making this margin in that chamber very close. >> when we talk about north carolina, we have been talking about beasley, which arguably, it was a senate race that democrats should have won, if they had put money in earlier. i had talked about this just the other day before the election

and we put money in, but they put out a statement, from the beasley camp, last night, in realtime, saying that they were outspent by $42 million by a republican, you know, pacs, republican outside groups, without any response from the democrats. and the money came in too late, claire. as a senator, the khalif justice of -- chief justice of the state supreme court, highly effective, in some red areas and not winning the rural vote? >> and as an advocate here, just because i think that other perspective needs to come forward here, first, beasley is amazing. we should never give up on north carolina. we need to figure out a way to continue to invest there. but what state should they have taken the money from? >> florida. >> well, they didn't spend much money in florida. they were not in florida at all. dscc was not spending money in florida. i can assure you. so where the dscc was spending

the money, where the super pac money was all going was pennsylvania, should she have pulled it from there? no. should they have pulled it from nevada, or arizona? what shuck schumer was looking at is how -- chuck schumer was looking at is low do i protect the incumbents and pick up a seat and how can i put all of the chips where they will have the most impact to make sure we keep all of our incumbents and pick up a seat. and it's, as the election went on, it became more clear that the best strategy, the safest strategy was to go all in, in nevada, arizona, pennsylvania, and here we are. we won pennsylvania. and we're very close in nevada and arizona. if key woo have pulled money out of -- if we have pulled money out of there to north carolina, maybe she would have won, but which of those other states would he would not have won? >> i also think though that there is a lot of outside group spending, and this is something

that outside groons do their own stats. >> yes. >> and they do their own assessments leading up to 2024, really, because you don't have to be, i mean leading up to 2024, democrats should not be romantic about we need ohio, we love ohio, who cares, we just need 270 electoral votes, and they will look at places like how beasley ran in north carolina. north carolina feels much more get-able than ohio and florida. obviously not the same electoral votes but that is the type of thing that needs to be assessed. >> money coming to north carolina. hold on. i think it's coming. >> there is a narrative black women politicians that they're not taken seriously enough for what they have done to elect joe biden and to elect other democrats. >> well, i understand that, and i am very sensitive to that, and believe me, joe biden gets that, and the way he ran, i know kamala harris gets that, and i think if you look, there are in fact black women many places that got a lot of help, including stacey abrams, and had

a huge amount of outside help, there was just a lot of money pouring in to georgia. and so i get what you're saying. and i do think in hindsight, it's easy to say they should have put a lot more money there, but in realtime, these are really, really hard decisions. the outside groups probably should have take continue more cease seriously. but it was a really tough call as to where the money went. >> so having dealt with this problem in 2010 -- >> a little republican talk. >> talking about the zero sum approach which is the traditional approach both parties takes when it comes to the races, i bet dimes to doughnuts that the north carolina race was seriously on the radar screen until it popped. and that's a strategy question. and that's one sort of where you do more granular work. there's some of nus politics who don't see it as a zero sum. so i'm going to take care of your race, i can't take care of

yours, that's how you lose, and that's how you don't broaden the map. >> why would north carolina be on the, not be on the radar? >> president obama -- >> they have a democratic governor. >> you have to look at the infrastructure and who is running the state and who has the majorities in the house and the senate, in the legislature, and then you have to go to the next level and the only good example, not the only, but one i like to give, is when ted kennedy god rest him passed, that massachusetts senate seat, every republican from k street to capitol hill was telling me at the rnc, do not put money in that race. i was like well, there's an opportunity here, why not? . and so i went up, i spent time with the chairman on the ground for about three days, came back and he said we're putting money in the race. we put a half million in the race, and it was a u.s. senate race. so the idea that the national party doesn't play and you leave

it to the senatorial committee or the house committee, there is a coordinated effort there, there is the way they look at those races, and sometimes it takes the parties to retrain the eye of a senatorial and congressional committee, because they look at things like this. and if you don't have the raising of 250,000 dollars out of the box, we're not talking to you until you do. if there are some candidates, if you give them a little extra in the beginning, you can help move them. it is a dynamic process is what i'm trying to say. >> one thing, the amount of money that the dnc gives out is an itty-bitty tiny amount given the hundreds of millions of dollars of the outside groups. and the outside groups i think should have done more. >> and i agree with that. >> but she was in big trouble, if he is not protecting his incumbents. >> and there is a difference between 2010 and 2022. >> especially the brown race. that was a stand alone race. >> that wasn't the only one. but my point it wasn't the only one. there were other elections. here is the difference between

citizens united, which happened in 2010, and so that was the first time these outside groups got to play, and now they're more sophisticated to your point, jen and much more coordinated, and the parties need to figure out how to, hands off, because the law requires, that there is a better understanding of how they work together. >> let's bring in lindsey riser, and looking at the house races for democrats, and doing a great job for the city for sean maloney, for the party and so far not so much for himself in the district. >> this has been really one of the most shocking races to come out of the election so far. and on the national scale, we're seeing democrats overperform in many areas and here in the state of new york, and it is an area that is slightly different. we have the head, sean patrick maloney unable to hold on to his seat, a ten year incumbent, he traveled the country to make sure the house could still be a democratic strong hold, had to come back to his home district, which is by the way new district

lines were drawn because democrats tried to do some gerry manding, and the court said no and they had to redraw some lines and le to play defense back home and introduce himself to a lot of constituency and lawless ler end -- lawler ended up being victorious in the end. let's listen to some of his victory speech today. >> this is a time that is truly remarkable because this is a district that joe biden won by ten points and we were running against the chair of the d-ccc, and when i announced, a lot of people thought, that's nice, he'll make it a race, but he's going to lose. >> so it appears that that last minute tightening of the gubernatorial race also went hand in hand with the overperformance for republicans in some of these house races, several of which still have to be called, andrea. >> and jen psaki, you know, sean patrick maloney, and d-ccc with the house races, and he is, you know, an exciting democratic

candidate. >> he is. and maybe we'll see him again. who knows. there's a couple of questions here. and the very inside washington question is should somebody who be is in a vulnerable district be chairman of the congressional campaign committee. that is something that should be discussed. it is currently elected. it used to be that it was appointed by the speaker of the house. so that is a question. and the second, i was in his district following canvassers weeks ago and the rebound mike lawler won not because of he is a magical candidate but outside groups spent $6 million on crime against sean patrick maloney. he has never been to this district. and is this is more like a splinter from a white picket fence than a victim of crime. or lyme disease. >> it is a beautiful district. >> and this is a case study for democrats as republicans use crime as fear and looks different and people moving in who are black and brown and not about crime as an issue. it is an issue in other parts of the country. so that's my lesson from this.

mike lawler, i understand why he gave that speech but it is really about the millions spent on the outside. >> let's take a moment here, and we're going to take a quick break. i'm going to tease something. we have some news from mike pence. we also have news from jason miller on team trump about what he is advising the president to do about that november 15th announcement. don't go anywhere. reaction from mar-a-lago, or the world around mar-a-lago, in just a moment. a moment i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20®. a pfizer vaccine! so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20® because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 19 or older, with certain chronic conditions like copd, asthma, diabetes, or heart disease or are 65 or older, you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia.

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until after the georgia runoff. >> yes, that does seem to be some of the advice that he is giving, he has been getting from people he trusts and it doesn't seem at this point that the former president has any plans to back away. he just told fox news in a story that posted just a fau few minutes ago, that he doesn't feel any reason to back away from that planned announcement next week. he feels as though his endorsed candidates had a really good night last night. of course, he's not providing all of the necessary context to his endorsement. because he endorsed in many, many races that weren't really considered to be competitive. and then had a rough go of it with some of the most important races on the map last night. but donald trump pointing to the victories that his candidates had in places like wisconsin, there's still the possibility that his endorsed candidates in arizona pull out a victory. and he is still trying to spin this that he had a strong night. but obviously, there are many in the republican party questioning the role that he's played within

these campaigns, and campaigning going forward, and that of course looms large over this expected announcement that is supposed to be happen here in west palm beach next week. >> there is interesting time forecast the former mike pence vice president, coming out with a memoir soon and an excerpt was just released in the "the wall street journal" and i will read a little bit of it. pence on his conversation with donald trump after january 6th, he says, how you are, he began, how are karen and charlotte, i presume this is trump, to pence, i replied, we were fine and told him that they had been at the capitol on january 6th. he responded with a hint of regret. i just learned that. were you scared? pence further writes with the genuine sadness in his voice, the president mused what if we hadn't had the rally, and what if we hadn't had that, and it is

too tense like this. and what do you think of the timing? >> the timing is obvious, isn't it? the day after, this somewhat of an election disappointment for donald trump and his allies, less than a week he is expected to make an announcement, and you know, mike pence has given every indication that he is looking toward a possible presidential run, and the path that he's chosen to take is one where he is starkly distancing himself from his former running mate, the former president donald trump, and that's something that we really never saw mike pence do in any way, shape, or form up until january 6th. so this is kind of a red siren going off right now i think that mike pence is at least strongly considering thinking about getting into this race in 2024, even if it means challenging donald trump. >> and a big tease for his upcoming book as well. of course, monica -- >> governor hogan who is apparently saying that he is thinking about getting in as well. >> he long had aspirations to do

that. >> and this moves him closer to it. >> so monica alba, all of these republicans beginning to jockey for position for 2024. what will we hear from the president at 4:00? the current president of the united states. in that building behind you. >> i think a video that he just tweeted in the white house, released moments ago, is a pretty good indication of what we may hear from him, and also it answers one of these questions swirling about his own 2024 future. in the video, he was qualitying some of the winning democrats overnight, and he said, quote, i think there is a lot of work left to go. and he made the argument that because voters went to the polls hearing about some of the legislative accomplishments of the biden agenda but maybe they hadn't seen it in action, that he thinks he needs more time in order for that to happen. so gain, this is a president who hasn't made a final decision about running again in 2024, but we're told by biden advisers that he does fully intend to seek office again. and he's buoyed, upbeat and

optimistic about the results so far. so when he comes out, i think you can expect him to convey that sort of eternal optimism, and i think from people around him, it's hard to see him not wanting to do this all over again, despite exit poll data that shows about 67% of people last night said they don't want him to seek office. >> and many democrats said they did want him. so notable split among parties. monicaalba, ryan nobles, thank you very much. and 2020 skeptics will still be well represented in congress after the election. and nbc news is reporting that 150 house candidates who have denied or actively questioned the legitimacy of president biden's election win won last night, that's with more results still pending. joining me now is pulitzer prize

winning presidential biography john meachum who occasionally talking to president biden and the book on the best seller list "and there was light, abraham liner and the american struggle" congratulations on the best seller list, my friend. >> thank you. >> let's talk about the election deniers in congress, key races, they did not win in competitive races but there's going to be quite a few of them in congress next year. what does it say, how you are feeling about the state of our democracy today? >> i'm feeling better today than i was 24 hours or even 12 hours ago, i guess. american democracy is at its best is about finding solutions to problems and according to commonly agreed upon rules and through winning power through popular elections for a temp

prable period of time, and it is not about pursuing power at any cost. that's the state of nature, right? that's anarchy. that's autocracy. democracy is depend ent on our being able to win graciously, lose humbly, and to see that not every election, not every vote in congress, or in a statehouse is an occasion for total war. and i think that there was a sense to my mind, anyway, as an observer, that the country moved closer to that view of things than we would have thought in the winter of 2021. we live in an age where a mob stormed the united states capitol. and a lot of us have worried that forces of unreason, of extremism were going to be permanent parts of our political experience. they are permanent parts. but they ebb and they flow.

and here is hoping that the american people last night said you know what, they need to ebb for now. >> the president gave a closing message, a speech about the threats to democracy, and widely criticized for not talking about the economy, yet in our final poll, and in the exit polls, democracy was on the minds of americans, perhaps different interpretations of what the threats were, the republican versus democrat, and each side believing that the other is extreme, which doesn't help resolve the essential problem of polarization that is eating away at our political structure, but in retrospect, joe biden wasn't wrong to give that speech. >> no, and i think you can say he was right, and i should say i helped with that speech, so obviously i agree with its message, so it's a little like

there's an old story about a preacher who said as our lord said and rightly, dada dada, so to take this for what it's worth, i think it's remarkable that so many people seem, again seem, to have accepted this argument. because it's a tricky argument, right? ordinarily elections are about a tax rate and immigration policy, you know, something very tactile and right before them, and what the president was asking, particularly after the winter of 2021, was that we take a step back and we vote to preserve an experiment that has been tested by war and depression and foreign threat. this is the anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall in 1989, and you know, we've exerted power. we've come through red scares

and terrible backlash to civil rights. our whole history is about conflict, but it's also about resolution and how does that resolution come. that resolution comes because we have a basis of popular support for a government that has accepted elections. herbert hoover in 1932 did not say franklin roosevelt stole the election, so he put a bunch of election deniers on the ballot in '34 so that he could come back in '36. hubert humphrey didn't do that in 1968. al gore didn't do that in 2000 when he so graciously conceded and saw that the rule of law would prevail. and so, you know, andrea and katie, you all had to listen to me talk about this for tang -- too long through the years, but basically where we have been is for a long time i thought that the former president, the 45th president was a difference of

degree in american politics and not a wholly different kind of phenomena, and what the winter of 2021 taught us was that that was different, that didn't happen. andrew jackson who lost the popular vote in 1824, lost the election in the house, he hashtaged that race. he called it a corrupt bargain in the twitter of the era, but he came back to nashville and ran for re-election. you know, every other president has acknowledged the mechanics of democracy, donald trump chose not to, and we saw what happened, and i think the thing that i take away from last night is the gubernatorial races, the secretary of state races in critical states, just enough of us -- just enough of us said, you know what? i want my vote to count whether i win or lose because if i lose this time i want to make sure if i'm on the winning side next time, i want it to count.

>> jon meacham, thank you so much. i just want to remind -- don't need to remind you, jon, the historian, but the fall of the berlin wall on this anniversary was the most historic event, tectonic shift, and it was lye on nbc nightly news because of tom brokaw's reporting. we were the only american there, a german ambassador later i was witness to him telling a young diplomat, he said, was a young attache at the united nations and he learned his country had been freed by watching nbc that night and the brandenburg gate and the berlin wall. and we think of those symbols, symbols that you and your book have made so memorable over the decades. thank you so much.

>> jon, thank you, andrea as we close this out, talking about the fall of the berlin wall, the extraordinary historic events that you and i have witnessed in these chairs just in the past few years, i mean, we could take it back to 2015 after my fist interview with donald trump and which started off his campaign and when we realized that he was going to -- >> vienna where i was interviewing diplomats about the iran nuclear deal. >> we're sitting here for the january 6th insurrection, we watched that unfold on live television. we were here for the january 6th hearings, every single one of them together, and the question has always been, is america as worried about democracy as they are about the -- or the economy, or how many americans are worried about democracy, and what we saw last night is that quite a few of them were worried, and they voted on that worry, and they said no to the

people who allowed january 6th to happen. they said no because of at least in part those january 6th hearings that clarified it all for them. >> and the fact that we have the privilege, the honor as journalists in a free society to report on all of this is just part of the agreement, that sacred agreement that our founders created. >> democracy matters. democracy matters, especially right now. >> take us on home. >> andrea mitchell, thank you very much. it's been a pleasure to be here with you these last four hours. a pleasure to be with you guys as well. remember, we still have a lot of questions about who's going to take away the house, who's going to win the senate. some of those questions will get a little bit more insight into them in the hours to come. some of them we've got to wait a little while longer. but me telling you as i lose my ability to speak, don't go anywhere because any moment now president biden is set to speak about the midterms from the

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